Fort Worth Mayor Apologizes For Police Shooting; Officer Resigns

[jc456]

She had every right to. From her perspective, he was an intruder. In fact, she had every right to shoot him. He had no right to shoot her.

I don't think we have any right to shoot someone who is trespassing. I know I wouldn't just for that reason. And once again, supposedly the cop was there for a welfare check. All he had to do was knock on the door. Why didn't he do that?

Laws vary among jurisdictions. Texas has a castle doctrine which allows broad discretion to reasonably use lethal force against someone on your property.

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

I still wonder why he didn't just knock on the door on a welfare check.

because he didn't go on a welfare check, he went out on an open structure call. again, read the facts dude.

 

[SavannahMann]

it was another accidental shooting

Accidental in Texas means something like your gun going ofd while you're cleaning it.

This officer definitely intended to shoot here.

Exactly.

try to put yourself in his situation

Put yourself in the position of the homeowner. You see something, or hear something that indicates that someone may be in your backyard in the middle of the night. What do you do? I bet a dime to a dollar that you do the same thing I do. You grab your gun, it is literally the reason that we argue that people should have them, and you try and figure out what is going on. Or are you going to lie and claim that you would ignore things in your backyard?

You grab your gun and try and figure out if you saw or heard nothing, or if it was something. Was it your imagination? An animal? Or is a baddie in the back yard waiting to rob, rape, or murder you and your family? You grab your fucking gun, and you know you do.

Under your argument, if the cop shoots you for daring to have a gun in your house, it is a good shoot. Great job Barney Fife. You killed the son of a bitch before he could kill you. Are we supposed to cheer the cop? Or gnash our teeth and be angry that you were killed in your own house while committing no crime other than acting to defend yourself and your family?

The most basic argument for the Castle Doctrine is to defend your castle. Your house, your home is your castle. Barney Fife should have knocked on the door. He should have announced himself. Why don’t you put yourself in the situation where you are the homeowner, or your wife, or daughter. Is that person skulking around going to rape and murder them?

You get your gun, and you prepare to defend your castle. I do it. You know you do it too. So why is this woman the bad guy because she did exactly what you would do, and exactly what the law says she is allowed to do?

yep, and I would have done the exact same thing had I been in her shoes and owned a gun. it's tragic, but you can't blame a cop who has no idea who is pointing a gun at him on a call he answered as his job. It's an unfortunate scenario that played out. And a risk of owning a gun and using it. No?

Maybe someone could post the guarantee that owning a gun means you won't ever get shot.

Yeah. I can blame the cop. He could have, should have, identified himself upon arrival. The shooting and death would almost certainly not taken place.

 

[Faun]

he also could have taken one step back out of the line of fire and had all the time in the world to announce himself,,,

ahh the things that you think are so easy. too fking funny. go discuss with that with a cop's widow.

dont twist this to match your narrative,,,he chose to be a cop

so? it's his job. he goes out at 2:30 am into a yard he knows nothing about, risks his life only to have a fkwad like you question his skills. that just makes you a fkwad squared.

LOLOL

His own former police force is criticizing his "skills." Who are you to question their expertise?

I think the real question here is how to prevent future such incidents.

IMHO, the current societal situation has really put police on edge, particularly in the Ghetto.

If the FW police had shown up with 6 units and 20 guys, the police would have been a lot more confident of getting out of their alive.

How you prevent it is better training police officers who are going out on such calls to not panic and murder someone in their own home who is doing absolutely nothing illegal.

 

[miketx]

I don't think we have any right to shoot someone who is trespassing. I know I wouldn't just for that reason. And once again, supposedly the cop was there for a welfare check. All he had to do was knock on the door. Why didn't he do that?

Laws vary among jurisdictions. Texas has a castle doctrine which allows broad discretion to reasonably use lethal force against someone on your property.

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

I still wonder why he didn't just knock on the door on a welfare check.

because he didn't go on a welfare check, he went out on an open structure call. again, read the facts dude.

I thought the original story stated that it was a welfare call.

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

 

[jc456]

Accidental in Texas means something like your gun going ofd while you're cleaning it.

This officer definitely intended to shoot here.

Exactly.

try to put yourself in his situation

Put yourself in the position of the homeowner. You see something, or hear something that indicates that someone may be in your backyard in the middle of the night. What do you do? I bet a dime to a dollar that you do the same thing I do. You grab your gun, it is literally the reason that we argue that people should have them, and you try and figure out what is going on. Or are you going to lie and claim that you would ignore things in your backyard?

You grab your gun and try and figure out if you saw or heard nothing, or if it was something. Was it your imagination? An animal? Or is a baddie in the back yard waiting to rob, rape, or murder you and your family? You grab your fucking gun, and you know you do.

Under your argument, if the cop shoots you for daring to have a gun in your house, it is a good shoot. Great job Barney Fife. You killed the son of a bitch before he could kill you. Are we supposed to cheer the cop? Or gnash our teeth and be angry that you were killed in your own house while committing no crime other than acting to defend yourself and your family?

The most basic argument for the Castle Doctrine is to defend your castle. Your house, your home is your castle. Barney Fife should have knocked on the door. He should have announced himself. Why don’t you put yourself in the situation where you are the homeowner, or your wife, or daughter. Is that person skulking around going to rape and murder them?

You get your gun, and you prepare to defend your castle. I do it. You know you do it too. So why is this woman the bad guy because she did exactly what you would do, and exactly what the law says she is allowed to do?

yep, and I would have done the exact same thing had I been in her shoes and owned a gun. it's tragic, but you can't blame a cop who has no idea who is pointing a gun at him on a call he answered as his job. It's an unfortunate scenario that played out. And a risk of owning a gun and using it. No?

Maybe someone could post the guarantee that owning a gun means you won't ever get shot.

Yeah. I can blame the cop. He could have, should have, identified himself upon arrival. The shooting and death would almost certainly not taken place.

that isn't procedure on an open structure call. you won't understand because you don't understand. I laugh at uninformed fks like you.

 

[Skylar]

Accidental in Texas means something like your gun going ofd while you're cleaning it.

This officer definitely intended to shoot here.

Exactly.

try to put yourself in his situation

Put yourself in the position of the homeowner. You see something, or hear something that indicates that someone may be in your backyard in the middle of the night. What do you do? I bet a dime to a dollar that you do the same thing I do. You grab your gun, it is literally the reason that we argue that people should have them, and you try and figure out what is going on. Or are you going to lie and claim that you would ignore things in your backyard?

You grab your gun and try and figure out if you saw or heard nothing, or if it was something. Was it your imagination? An animal? Or is a baddie in the back yard waiting to rob, rape, or murder you and your family? You grab your fucking gun, and you know you do.

Under your argument, if the cop shoots you for daring to have a gun in your house, it is a good shoot. Great job Barney Fife. You killed the son of a bitch before he could kill you. Are we supposed to cheer the cop? Or gnash our teeth and be angry that you were killed in your own house while committing no crime other than acting to defend yourself and your family?

The most basic argument for the Castle Doctrine is to defend your castle. Your house, your home is your castle. Barney Fife should have knocked on the door. He should have announced himself. Why don’t you put yourself in the situation where you are the homeowner, or your wife, or daughter. Is that person skulking around going to rape and murder them?

You get your gun, and you prepare to defend your castle. I do it. You know you do it too. So why is this woman the bad guy because she did exactly what you would do, and exactly what the law says she is allowed to do?

yep, and I would have done the exact same thing had I been in her shoes and owned a gun. it's tragic, but you can't blame a cop who has no idea who is pointing a gun at him on a call he answered as his job. It's an unfortunate scenario that played out. And a risk of owning a gun and using it. No?

Maybe someone could post the guarantee that owning a gun means you won't ever get shot.

Yeah. I can blame the cop. He could have, should have, identified himself upon arrival. The shooting and death would almost certainly not taken place.

Or given the woman some time to comply with his order. From the time he said 'put your hands up' to the time he shot her to death....was 0.8 second.

 

[Skylar]

Laws vary among jurisdictions. Texas has a castle doctrine which allows broad discretion to reasonably use lethal force against someone on your property.

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

I still wonder why he didn't just knock on the door on a welfare check.

because he didn't go on a welfare check, he went out on an open structure call. again, read the facts dude.

I thought the original story stated that it was a welfare call.

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

It was called in as a welfare check. But there are some reports that it was relayed to the cop via dispatch as an open structure call.

 

[jc456]

Laws vary among jurisdictions. Texas has a castle doctrine which allows broad discretion to reasonably use lethal force against someone on your property.

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

I still wonder why he didn't just knock on the door on a welfare check.

because he didn't go on a welfare check, he went out on an open structure call. again, read the facts dude.

I thought the original story stated that it was a welfare call.

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

QUOTE="jc456, post: 23308364, member: 46512"]Fort Worth police chief: 'No excuse' for Aaron Dean to shoot Atatiana Jefferson in her home

Kraus said the gun found in the room "made sense" if Jefferson was alarmed to hear someone walking around outside her bedroom window. He said the officers apparently believed they were responding to an "open structure" call – which could have meant the home was broken into – rather than a "welfare call" in which they check to make sure people in the home are safe.[/QUOTE]

Officers plural.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

That was 5 years ago. Yes, we would be discussing this if it happened today. It's no longer OK to kill innocent people.

the point is that the Press uses these police shootings to incite racial strife

Whether they do or not they have to stop. What's your argument here? That cops should get away with killing innocent people because the media uses things like this to sell advertising?

What's your argument here?

We should not force white police to serve in hostile black neighborhoods

Particularly when it makes the natives restless and angry at the white cops

How about uphold the law and treat ALL citizens with respect.

White police in black neighborhoods do uphold the law and treat citizens with respect

But that isnt good enough to satisfy the black race hustlers

No they don't, but you already know that. You are just a Trumper Humper who is trying to fool the people.

 

[progressive hunter]

dont believe everything you read on the internet,,,

I do from trusted sites.

self defense.

well since he was the intruder and she the home owner he was the assailant not the defender

he never entered her home. so again, your facts are faked.

he was sneaking around on her property peering in windows,,,

doing his job. I mean you do know what cops do for a living right? wow fk, you're coming off dumber and dumber with every post.

did you look up what an open structure call means? why don't you do a bit of research fkwad?

why dont you read through this and show me where it exempts police???


Guides: Gun Laws:

Castle doctrine - Wikipedia

 

[Faun]

we can start with murdering her in her own home when she wasnt committing a crime,,,

he had a clear view of her and the kid, all she could see was a dark window,,,

did she point a gun at him? yes or no?

She had every right to. From her perspective, he was an intruder. In fact, she had every right to shoot him. He had no right to shoot her.

I don't think we have any right to shoot someone who is trespassing. I know I wouldn't just for that reason. And once again, supposedly the cop was there for a welfare check. All he had to do was knock on the door. Why didn't he do that?

Laws vary among jurisdictions. Texas has a castle doctrine which allows broad discretion to reasonably use lethal force against someone on your property.

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

The law applies to a reasonable belief that a person is unlawfully on your property and a reasonable belief that lethal force is necessary to prevent them from harming you or entering your home or car.

 

[progressive hunter]

did she point a gun at him? yes or no?

She had every right to. From her perspective, he was an intruder. In fact, she had every right to shoot him. He had no right to shoot her.

I don't think we have any right to shoot someone who is trespassing. I know I wouldn't just for that reason. And once again, supposedly the cop was there for a welfare check. All he had to do was knock on the door. Why didn't he do that?

Laws vary among jurisdictions. Texas has a castle doctrine which allows broad discretion to reasonably use lethal force against someone on your property.

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

I still wonder why he didn't just knock on the door on a welfare check.

because he didn't go on a welfare check, he went out on an open structure call. again, read the facts dude.

I thought the original story stated that it was a welfare call.

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

QUOTE="jc456, post: 23308364, member: 46512"]Fort Worth police chief: 'No excuse' for Aaron Dean to shoot Atatiana Jefferson in her home

Kraus said the gun found in the room "made sense" if Jefferson was alarmed to hear someone walking around outside her bedroom window. He said the officers apparently believed they were responding to an "open structure" call – which could have meant the home was broken into – rather than a "welfare call" in which they check to make sure people in the home are safe.

Officers plural.[/QUOTE]
or it meant the door was open on purpose,,,not a reason to sneak around the house in the dark and murder the people inside ,,,

I leave my door open all the time,,in fact its open right now,,does that mean a cop can shoot me through the window???

 

[Faun]

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

I still wonder why he didn't just knock on the door on a welfare check.

because he didn't go on a welfare check, he went out on an open structure call. again, read the facts dude.

I thought the original story stated that it was a welfare call.

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

QUOTE="jc456, post: 23308364, member: 46512"]Fort Worth police chief: 'No excuse' for Aaron Dean to shoot Atatiana Jefferson in her home

Kraus said the gun found in the room "made sense" if Jefferson was alarmed to hear someone walking around outside her bedroom window. He said the officers apparently believed they were responding to an "open structure" call – which could have meant the home was broken into – rather than a "welfare call" in which they check to make sure people in the home are safe.

Nothing there says the officer doesn't have to announce he's law enforcement.

 

[jc456]

She had every right to. From her perspective, he was an intruder. In fact, she had every right to shoot him. He had no right to shoot her.

I don't think we have any right to shoot someone who is trespassing. I know I wouldn't just for that reason. And once again, supposedly the cop was there for a welfare check. All he had to do was knock on the door. Why didn't he do that?

Laws vary among jurisdictions. Texas has a castle doctrine which allows broad discretion to reasonably use lethal force against someone on your property.

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

I still wonder why he didn't just knock on the door on a welfare check.

because he didn't go on a welfare check, he went out on an open structure call. again, read the facts dude.

I thought the original story stated that it was a welfare call.

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

QUOTE="jc456, post: 23308364, member: 46512"]Fort Worth police chief: 'No excuse' for Aaron Dean to shoot Atatiana Jefferson in her home

Kraus said the gun found in the room "made sense" if Jefferson was alarmed to hear someone walking around outside her bedroom window. He said the officers apparently believed they were responding to an "open structure" call – which could have meant the home was broken into – rather than a "welfare call" in which they check to make sure people in the home are safe.

Officers plural.

or it meant the door was open on purpose,,,not a reason to sneak around the house in the dark and murder the people inside ,,,

I leave my door open all the time,,in fact its open right now,,does that mean a cop can shoot me through the window???[/QUOTE]
so shame on the neighbor? wow, dude. he did what he felt was the right thing. you're anecdote is stupid so shut up.

People in certain areas normally don't leave the doors wide open at 2:30am. You, fk, good for you, me, no fking way. Not while I'm sleeping. I guess you da man eh? wow. anyone can be anything on a message board.I'm sitting on a bed of nails with an ax in my head.

again, did the woman point a gun at him? so it wasn't just an open door anymore, right? scenario changes.

The courts will settle this one. I'm confident the cop is ok. tragic for the lady.

 

[progressive hunter]

I don't think we have any right to shoot someone who is trespassing. I know I wouldn't just for that reason. And once again, supposedly the cop was there for a welfare check. All he had to do was knock on the door. Why didn't he do that?

Laws vary among jurisdictions. Texas has a castle doctrine which allows broad discretion to reasonably use lethal force against someone on your property.

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

I still wonder why he didn't just knock on the door on a welfare check.

because he didn't go on a welfare check, he went out on an open structure call. again, read the facts dude.

I thought the original story stated that it was a welfare call.

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

QUOTE="jc456, post: 23308364, member: 46512"]Fort Worth police chief: 'No excuse' for Aaron Dean to shoot Atatiana Jefferson in her home

Kraus said the gun found in the room "made sense" if Jefferson was alarmed to hear someone walking around outside her bedroom window. He said the officers apparently believed they were responding to an "open structure" call – which could have meant the home was broken into – rather than a "welfare call" in which they check to make sure people in the home are safe.

Officers plural.

or it meant the door was open on purpose,,,not a reason to sneak around the house in the dark and murder the people inside ,,,

I leave my door open all the time,,in fact its open right now,,does that mean a cop can shoot me through the window???

so shame on the neighbor? wow, dude. he did what he felt was the right thing. you're anecdote is stupid so shut up.

People in certain areas normally don't leave the doors wide open at 2:30am. You, fk, good for you, me, no fking way. Not while I'm sleeping. I guess you da man eh? wow. anyone can be anything on a message board.I'm sitting on a bed of nails with an ax in my head.

again, did the woman point a gun at him? so it wasn't just an open door anymore, right? scenario changes.

The courts will settle this one. I'm confident the cop is ok. tragic for the lady.[/QUOTE]



so he thought the right thing to do was shoot a women in her own house???

and all you got to say is it was tragic for the lady???

 

[jc456]

Laws vary among jurisdictions. Texas has a castle doctrine which allows broad discretion to reasonably use lethal force against someone on your property.

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

because he didn't go on a welfare check, he went out on an open structure call. again, read the facts dude.

I thought the original story stated that it was a welfare call.

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

QUOTE="jc456, post: 23308364, member: 46512"]Fort Worth police chief: 'No excuse' for Aaron Dean to shoot Atatiana Jefferson in her home

Kraus said the gun found in the room "made sense" if Jefferson was alarmed to hear someone walking around outside her bedroom window. He said the officers apparently believed they were responding to an "open structure" call – which could have meant the home was broken into – rather than a "welfare call" in which they check to make sure people in the home are safe.

Officers plural.

or it meant the door was open on purpose,,,not a reason to sneak around the house in the dark and murder the people inside ,,,

I leave my door open all the time,,in fact its open right now,,does that mean a cop can shoot me through the window???

so shame on the neighbor? wow, dude. he did what he felt was the right thing. you're anecdote is stupid so shut up.

People in certain areas normally don't leave the doors wide open at 2:30am. You, fk, good for you, me, no fking way. Not while I'm sleeping. I guess you da man eh? wow. anyone can be anything on a message board.I'm sitting on a bed of nails with an ax in my head.

again, did the woman point a gun at him? so it wasn't just an open door anymore, right? scenario changes.

The courts will settle this one. I'm confident the cop is ok. tragic for the lady.

so he thought the right thing to do was shoot a women in her own house???

and all you got to say is it was tragic for the lady???[/QUOTE]
how did he know it was her house exactly? you think cops know where all of the people of the neighborhood live? wait........

 

[progressive hunter]

That law applies to defending yourself from an attack. Trespassers are most likely just people lost are not caring they are trespassers. I have dealt with many trespassers and was only prepared to shoot one of them before he decided to run away.

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

I thought the original story stated that it was a welfare call.

Texas police officer fatally shoots woman in her home after welfare check

QUOTE="jc456, post: 23308364, member: 46512"]Fort Worth police chief: 'No excuse' for Aaron Dean to shoot Atatiana Jefferson in her home

Kraus said the gun found in the room "made sense" if Jefferson was alarmed to hear someone walking around outside her bedroom window. He said the officers apparently believed they were responding to an "open structure" call – which could have meant the home was broken into – rather than a "welfare call" in which they check to make sure people in the home are safe.

Officers plural.

or it meant the door was open on purpose,,,not a reason to sneak around the house in the dark and murder the people inside ,,,

I leave my door open all the time,,in fact its open right now,,does that mean a cop can shoot me through the window???

so shame on the neighbor? wow, dude. he did what he felt was the right thing. you're anecdote is stupid so shut up.

People in certain areas normally don't leave the doors wide open at 2:30am. You, fk, good for you, me, no fking way. Not while I'm sleeping. I guess you da man eh? wow. anyone can be anything on a message board.I'm sitting on a bed of nails with an ax in my head.

again, did the woman point a gun at him? so it wasn't just an open door anymore, right? scenario changes.

The courts will settle this one. I'm confident the cop is ok. tragic for the lady.

so he thought the right thing to do was shoot a women in her own house???

and all you got to say is it was tragic for the lady???

how did he know it was her house exactly? you think cops know where all of the people of the neighborhood live? wait........

[/QUOTE]


thats no excuse to murder people in their own homes,,,

 

[jc456]

I believe a citizen is allowed to protect their home and family. Period. Whatever means that is. This scenario is tragic. It happened because of a set of circumstances one just couldn't control. Front door left open, neighbor sees front door open, rightfully let's the police know of the open door, the dispatch calls it an open structure call, that implies intruder, the cops show up and begin to walk around the house to ensure no shooter outside, she sees them walking around and thinks intruder herself, and now feels obligated to protect her home and family and bang. No one was at fault. no one. she didn't call it in so she didn't know the cops were coming. tragic accident. but only an accident.

QUOTE="jc456, post: 23308364, member: 46512"]Fort Worth police chief: 'No excuse' for Aaron Dean to shoot Atatiana Jefferson in her home

Kraus said the gun found in the room "made sense" if Jefferson was alarmed to hear someone walking around outside her bedroom window. He said the officers apparently believed they were responding to an "open structure" call – which could have meant the home was broken into – rather than a "welfare call" in which they check to make sure people in the home are safe.

Officers plural.

or it meant the door was open on purpose,,,not a reason to sneak around the house in the dark and murder the people inside ,,,

I leave my door open all the time,,in fact its open right now,,does that mean a cop can shoot me through the window???

so shame on the neighbor? wow, dude. he did what he felt was the right thing. you're anecdote is stupid so shut up.

People in certain areas normally don't leave the doors wide open at 2:30am. You, fk, good for you, me, no fking way. Not while I'm sleeping. I guess you da man eh? wow. anyone can be anything on a message board.I'm sitting on a bed of nails with an ax in my head.

again, did the woman point a gun at him? so it wasn't just an open door anymore, right? scenario changes.

The courts will settle this one. I'm confident the cop is ok. tragic for the lady.

so he thought the right thing to do was shoot a women in her own house???

and all you got to say is it was tragic for the lady???

how did he know it was her house exactly? you think cops know where all of the people of the neighborhood live? wait........

thats no excuse to murder people in their own homes,,,[/QUOTE]
you're still saying he knew she owned the home. in case your stupid hasn't caught up to you yet.

 

[progressive hunter]

Officers plural.

or it meant the door was open on purpose,,,not a reason to sneak around the house in the dark and murder the people inside ,,,

I leave my door open all the time,,in fact its open right now,,does that mean a cop can shoot me through the window???

so shame on the neighbor? wow, dude. he did what he felt was the right thing. you're anecdote is stupid so shut up.

People in certain areas normally don't leave the doors wide open at 2:30am. You, fk, good for you, me, no fking way. Not while I'm sleeping. I guess you da man eh? wow. anyone can be anything on a message board.I'm sitting on a bed of nails with an ax in my head.

again, did the woman point a gun at him? so it wasn't just an open door anymore, right? scenario changes.

The courts will settle this one. I'm confident the cop is ok. tragic for the lady.

so he thought the right thing to do was shoot a women in her own house???

and all you got to say is it was tragic for the lady???

how did he know it was her house exactly? you think cops know where all of the people of the neighborhood live? wait........

thats no excuse to murder people in their own homes,,,

you're still saying he knew she owned the home. in case your stupid hasn't caught up to you yet.[/QUOTE]
I never said she owned it,,I said it was her own house,,,


now your going the stupid route to justify state sanctioned murder,,,

 

[jc456]

or it meant the door was open on purpose,,,not a reason to sneak around the house in the dark and murder the people inside ,,,

I leave my door open all the time,,in fact its open right now,,does that mean a cop can shoot me through the window???

so shame on the neighbor? wow, dude. he did what he felt was the right thing. you're anecdote is stupid so shut up.

People in certain areas normally don't leave the doors wide open at 2:30am. You, fk, good for you, me, no fking way. Not while I'm sleeping. I guess you da man eh? wow. anyone can be anything on a message board.I'm sitting on a bed of nails with an ax in my head.

again, did the woman point a gun at him? so it wasn't just an open door anymore, right? scenario changes.

The courts will settle this one. I'm confident the cop is ok. tragic for the lady.

so he thought the right thing to do was shoot a women in her own house???

and all you got to say is it was tragic for the lady???

how did he know it was her house exactly? you think cops know where all of the people of the neighborhood live? wait........

thats no excuse to murder people in their own homes,,,

you're still saying he knew she owned the home. in case your stupid hasn't caught up to you yet.

I never said she owned it,,I said it was her own house,,,


now your going the stupid route to justify state sanctioned murder,,,[/QUOTE]
well you're still saying he knew she lived there. how would he know it?