Francis Keys bridge hit by ship. Bridge collapses, mass casualty event.

[Frankeneinstein]

He is not confusing this bridge collapse with anything.

He is displaying an advanced condition of lower education.

I was just ribbing him oddo, RW is ultra left wing and I'm sure that was just sarcasm he was posting...who is that in your avatar? he looks like an actor but I can't put my finger on it...john? or Johnathan somebody?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Maybe if the bridge had been built to modern standards it would still be standing ?
The lesson is that all similar structures need to be upgraded.

The money we spend putting up illegal aliens could have built a new bridge.

That being said, there isn't a bridge in the world that could survive that hit.

 

[kyzr]

The center span piers on the FSK bridge did have wooden piling wingwalls. All of the piers have concrete bases just below the waterline.
The bridge in your pic would not have survived the collision either. The ship has a 150-foot beam and a lot of flare in the bow. 150,000 long tons at 7 kts doesn't just stop. It would probably ride up even that island barrier, and shear the support piers just like it did to the FSK.

1. The FSK bridge piers did not have adequate pier protection, period. It didn't have any as far as I can see.
2. The bridge in my pic would have survived if the pier protection was designed properly and hit a glancing blow. A Dali head-on collision with any pier it's game over, as you say.
3. Don't forget that the ship channel is fairly narrow, so in the vicinity of bridges there needs to be underwater guides/bumpers as well.

If you go to this link and click on the "Engineering" link it has a lot of good info. One item is that the soil is horrible, so designing the foundations will be incredibly difficult, That's probably why they went with such a light superstructure. The design will be tough...a tunnel looks implausible since the soil is so weak.

Seagirt Loop Channel

The U.S. Army Corps of engineers intends to widen and deepen the ship channel, currently 580' wide and 42' deep. The FSK bridge may have had to be replaced anyway because of age and ship channel limitations.

 

[kyzr]

Ok. Those things can stop small and maybe medium sized boats. Say a hundred foot yacht. A thousand foot ship weighing a hundred thousand tons? No chance.

If its a head-on collision, true. The design objective is to only have a glancing blow.

 

[para bellum]

The FSK bridge piers did not have adequate pier protection, period. It didn't have any as far as I can see.
2. The bridge in my pic would have survived if the pier protection was designed properly and hit a glancing blow. A Dali head-on collision with any pier it's game over, as you say.

The pic I posted a few pages back shows the pilings around the center-span caissons. You have to zoom it to see.

This ship displaces 50% more than a Nimitz Class CVN. There is no bridge that can defeat that much mass. It would be totally cost-prohibitive to do that with structure, the only chance would be to build really large islands at the piers. Of cours that would eat into the shipping channel, meaning the span has to be greater, which makes the piers larger, the islands larger, etc...

And naturally the year after the new bridge is finished, the new ships all get 50% bigger...

Better to just escort them until they clear the bridge- if the harbor tug had stayed with them, it could have kept them in the center of the channel while they were drifting. But it turned around and headed back as soon as the ship was pointed the right direction, so when it was needed, it wasn't there...

 

[skye]

In more ways than one this is a catastrophe....

Out in the open mirroring what is happening in the inside!

 

[AZrailwhale]

The fuel pumps are electric though. If you lose power it doesn't take long to starve the engine of fuel. There are backup steering systems, and a bow thruster, but they rely on the generators to power the hydraulics.

They needed a few minutes to get the backup generators on line and restore steerage and get the engine re-fired, and they just didn't have that time. Plus it was an ebb tide, so they had the momentum plus the current carrying them into the bridge.

I don’t know about maritime commercial engines, but the standby generators in my phone company office were powered by alternators on the engine, not the generators they turned or commercial power. It makes sense since the generators didn’t start until a minute or so after power failed.

 

[para bellum]

I don’t know about maritime commercial engines, but the standby generators in my phone company office were powered by alternators on the engine, not the generators they turned or commercial power. It makes sense since the generators didn’t start until a minute or so after power failed.

I read that ship has 4 main generators, and one emergency generator on deck level. I think 2 generators for refrigerated containers, and 2 for the ships AC power and maybe a dedicated power plant for hydraulics. The emergency generator takes a couple minutes to get online. I imagine there would be some kind of switching in the machinery spaces that would need to be thrown to cut over to emergency power.

The engine is a big 2-stroke MAN, very long-stroke low RPM, and I don't know what kind of take-offs it has, if anything I'd guess primary hydraulics, but it could have a generator too.

But I'm sure if it loses it's generators it's not going anywhere, since all the controls are computerized. And I'm sure the fuel pumps would be electric because you have to get pressurized fuel to the engine somehow and the tanks can be some distance from the engine room.

They said they were having electrical problems in port, so maybe something in the control systems or switchroom was haywire, blowing fuses or something.

 

[SavannahMann]

I stumbled across this in my YouTube suggestions. It shows the World War II Battleship New Jersey being towed into dry dock for maintenance. Take a look at the ships in the picture. The Naval Cargo ship to the right of the screen dwarfs the big boy from nearly a century ago. The modern Cruiser of today is nearly as large as the biggest Battleship we ever made.



Those ships are in turn dwarfed by the massive cargo ships like Dali. I wanted you to see it, I admit I only watched the first minute to see the size comparison.

The Battleship New Jersey with all her Armor and massive guns, and a full load of everything, weighs about half what the Dali weighed.

The modern Aircraft Carriers weigh just a little less.

If you ever get the chance to see some of these ships. Take a moment and watch them. See the tiny little ants moving about. Those are people. And when things go wrong, they are just as powerless as they appear to be.

 

[DudleySmith]

I stumbled across this in my YouTube suggestions. It shows the World War II Battleship New Jersey being towed into dry dock for maintenance. Take a look at the ships in the picture. The Naval Cargo ship to the right of the screen dwarfs the big boy from nearly a century ago. The modern Cruiser of today is nearly as large as the biggest Battleship we ever made.



Those ships are in turn dwarfed by the massive cargo ships like Dali. I wanted you to see it, I admit I only watched the first minute to see the size comparison.

The Battleship New Jersey with all her Armor and massive guns, and a full load of everything, weighs about half what the Dali weighed.

The modern Aircraft Carriers weigh just a little less.

If you ever get the chance to see some of these ships. Take a moment and watch them. See the tiny little ants moving about. Those are people. And when things go wrong, they are just as powerless as they appear to be.

It's hilarious how tiny the tugboats are that are supposed to be 'guiding' these giants into docks. And people are claiming we don't need new port facilities to handle these monsters. They need to be removed from choked up urban congested areas.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

The conspiracy theories are flying
Ya got Obama at 10 downing before his isis attack on Russia
Russian saying US ,UK and ukie Nazis behind it

Some saying its a revenge Russian hit ...ya can't let the pipeline and the theater attack go unanswered...
The ship was reported to have problems

Those ships are huge thiers a point where it had to turn if it was hacked and they killed the power after the power came back it would continue executing the turn ...also they may have thrown the rear anchor ...

The FBI says it wasn't an attack which means it was probably an attack

Full moon stronger water currents ...it was a perfect shot

I shipped containers round the planet ...I've been to ports these ships are indeed massive and heavy
They're carrying 20 and 40 footers that can get pretty heavy

Depending what I was shiiping out
My 20 footers usually left stuffed 25, 28 thousand pounds
40s double it

Some ships carry over 10000 containers
Lotta weight ...they don't stop on a dime

 

[WinterBorn]

The captain of the ship must have gotten hired under the trans quota.

Where they were, the captain does not have command of the ship. It is the pilot they pick up and drop off while in such close proximity.

It sounds like mechanical failure.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Where they were, the captain does not have command of the ship. It is the pilot they pick up and drop off while in such close proximity.

It sounds like mechanical failure.

In every port on the planet thiers always local harbor pilots .
Thiers a lot of thiers wasn't their was flying around

 

[Burgermeister]

Shouldn't we know the name of the captain by now?

 

[kyzr]

The conspiracy theories are flying
Ya got Obama at 10 downing before his ISIS attack on Russia, Russian saying US ,UK and ukie Nazis behind it
Some saying its a revenge Russian hit ...ya can't let the pipeline and the theater attack go unanswered...
The ship was reported to have problems
Those ships are huge there's a point where it had to turn if it was hacked and they killed the power after the power came back it would continue executing the turn ...also they may have thrown the rear anchor ...
The FBI says it wasn't an attack which means it was probably an attack
Full moon stronger water currents ...it was a perfect shot
I shipped containers round the planet ...I've been to ports these ships are indeed massive and heavy
They're carrying 20 and 40 footers that can get pretty heavy, Depending what I was shipping out
My 20 footers usually left stuffed 25, 28 thousand pounds, 40s double it
Some ships carry over 10000 containers
Lotta weight ...they don't stop on a dime

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers just completed a study to bring bigger container ships into Baltimore Harbor by deepening and widening the 580' wide and 42' deep ship channel.
1. The ship had a U.S. pilot, he called "mayday" when the ship lost power. That saved many lives when the police shut traffic onto the bridge. The only casualties were maintenance workers.
2. The ship had power problems in the dock. It should have had a tug boat escort thru the harbor past the bridge.

 

[kyzr]

Shouldn't we know the name of the captain by now?

Actually the pilot was in-charge until they got out of the ship channel into deep water.

 

[kyzr]

The pic I posted a few pages back shows the pilings around the center-span caissons. You have to zoom it to see.

This ship displaces 50% more than a Nimitz Class CVN. There is no bridge that can defeat that much mass. It would be totally cost-prohibitive to do that with structure, the only chance would be to build really large islands at the piers. Of course that would eat into the shipping channel, meaning the span has to be greater, which makes the piers larger, the islands larger, etc...

And naturally the year after the new bridge is finished, the new ships all get 50% bigger...

Better to just escort them until they clear the bridge- if the harbor tug had stayed with them, it could have kept them in the center of the channel while they were drifting. But it turned around and headed back as soon as the ship was pointed the right direction, so when it was needed, it wasn't there...

1. Those wood pilings have no structural value. They may cushion the blow slightly.
2. Island pier protection isn't cost-prohibitive, it's actually required by current design codes.
3. True ships get bigger all the time, Baltimore is supposed to have the ship channel widened and deepened.
4. I agree that where critical infrastructure is close to the harbor tugs should escort the big container ships past it. Good idea.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The pic I posted a few pages back shows the pilings around the center-span caissons. You have to zoom it to see.

This ship displaces 50% more than a Nimitz Class CVN. There is no bridge that can defeat that much mass. It would be totally cost-prohibitive to do that with structure, the only chance would be to build really large islands at the piers. Of cours that would eat into the shipping channel, meaning the span has to be greater, which makes the piers larger, the islands larger, etc...

And naturally the year after the new bridge is finished, the new ships all get 50% bigger...

Better to just escort them until they clear the bridge- if the harbor tug had stayed with them, it could have kept them in the center of the channel while they were drifting. But it turned around and headed back as soon as the ship was pointed the right direction, so when it was needed, it wasn't there...

Spot on. The tugs turned back. Most are beginning to see that as the lesson to take into the future--keep the tugs until every hazard is passed.

Tugboats left before ship reached Baltimore bridge. They might have saved it.

Key bridge collapse could serve as a wake-up call for the fast-changing shipping industry and its ever-larger vessels

www.usatoday.com

 

[Faun]

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For what it's worth my friends....all points of view are welcome!​

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WAS IT AN “ACCIDENT?” Lara Logan Intel Sources Claim Baltimore Bridge Collapse On “Second busiest strategic roadway for hazardous materials” Was “absolutely brilliant strategic attack”​

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Early this morning, the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, MD, collapsed after a cargo ship collided with a support column, causing the bridge to collapse.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You freaks are truly insane.

 

[Faun]

Biden announces the federal government will pay for the bridge.



So, why? Why is the federal government paying for the bridge?

Is it so they can look like heroes in the hopes of votes?

Is it so Biden can talk about jobs he created?

Is it because they are the ones who destroyed it?

Their friends want the contracts and sweet sweet federal funding dollars?

Same reason the federal government helps with areas destroyed by hurricanes. It's all about providing for the general welfare for the nation. You wouldn't understand.