Free Money

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just another bunch of bullshit brought to you by an idiot.

She wants we tax payers to pay people for doing absolutely nothing?

Oh wait. We already do that. Its called welfare and medicade. We pay freeloaders every month to sit on their asses and do nothing.

Her bill won't make it through the senate and you can bet it won't make it through the house either.

Woman is a moron.

We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?


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Then write to your representative to have them stop farmer subsides. But don't complain about the price of groceries when you go shopping afterwards.

Just pointing out that everyone has their socialistic policies they support.


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The so-called socialist policies we support help everybody in the country. The socialist policies Democrats support only help out their voters; much like Commie Care.

It's been a long concern of ours that the Democrats aim to creating as many government dependents as possible. The reason is the more government dependents you have, the more likely Democrat voters. It's why they are overloading the US with more poor diseased people from other countries regardless of the negative effects on Americans.

Don't believe me? Just look at the record. During the DumBama years, he created 20 million new government dependents on food stamps. Another 20 million (by the Obama White House own account) on Commie Care. That means that DumBama created 40 million more new government dependents on those two programs alone. And now the proposal here is to make everybody in America a government dependent.

Are you starting to see the man behind the curtain yet?

 

[Maxdeath]

Justin Haskins: Democrat Rashida Tlaib proposes disastrous cash giveaway -- guess who’s going to pay for it? | Fox News

This is a huge problem. We need to provide incentives for people to work and not to game the system and receive free monies. Regardless of party affiliation we need to just be smart and understand basic economics.

You might trying hearing it from her lips.
Rep. Tlaib unveils bold new policy for America's poor

Funny we always hear that the current President is spending too much. Yet it is crazies that want to increase welfare spending that so many want to stand behind without a thought to how it increases the debt.
People are always crying about Social Security and Medicare which are paid into but never complain about welfare and Medicaid which are never paid into.

Can you really not tell the difference between helping poor people survive and padding weathly people's pockets?

Oh I am well aware of the difference. The part I find amazing is that you claim giving money away is somehow padding wealthy people's pockets. You seem to have a problem in understanding that if government gives money away that money has to come from somewhere. That somewhere is always the middle and lower class taxpayer, when that fails it comes off that magical money tree called debt.

 

[Crepitus]

Justin Haskins: Democrat Rashida Tlaib proposes disastrous cash giveaway -- guess who’s going to pay for it? | Fox News

This is a huge problem. We need to provide incentives for people to work and not to game the system and receive free monies. Regardless of party affiliation we need to just be smart and understand basic economics.

You might trying hearing it from her lips.
Rep. Tlaib unveils bold new policy for America's poor

Funny we always hear that the current President is spending too much. Yet it is crazies that want to increase welfare spending that so many want to stand behind without a thought to how it increases the debt.
People are always crying about Social Security and Medicare which are paid into but never complain about welfare and Medicaid which are never paid into.

Can you really not tell the difference between helping poor people survive and padding weathly people's pockets?

There is the problem. It’s not just poor and wealthy. There is a middle class and your post is case in point. The Democrats don’t care about the middle class

Republicans pretty much destroyed the middle.class.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Justin Haskins: Democrat Rashida Tlaib proposes disastrous cash giveaway -- guess who’s going to pay for it? | Fox News

This is a huge problem. We need to provide incentives for people to work and not to game the system and receive free monies. Regardless of party affiliation we need to just be smart and understand basic economics.

You might trying hearing it from her lips.
Rep. Tlaib unveils bold new policy for America's poor

Funny we always hear that the current President is spending too much. Yet it is crazies that want to increase welfare spending that so many want to stand behind without a thought to how it increases the debt.
People are always crying about Social Security and Medicare which are paid into but never complain about welfare and Medicaid which are never paid into.

Can you really not tell the difference between helping poor people survive and padding weathly people's pockets?

There is the problem. It’s not just poor and wealthy. There is a middle class and your post is case in point. The Democrats don’t care about the middle class

Republicans pretty much destroyed the middle.class.

Perhaps but I don’t see how Democrats are helping by calling me privileged for being white and saying that making $250k a year means I should pay more in taxes. At least the GOP lowered taxes

 

[Beyond]

Just another bunch of bullshit brought to you by an idiot.

She wants we tax payers to pay people for doing absolutely nothing?

Oh wait. We already do that. Its called welfare and medicade. We pay freeloaders every month to sit on their asses and do nothing.

Her bill won't make it through the senate and you can bet it won't make it through the house either.

Woman is a moron.

We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?


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And a fortune to

Politicians to rip us off while living in luxury and feathering their nests...

CEOs to to play golf while underpaid workers create the wealth...

Shareholders to do precisely nothing...

Banks create money out of thin air...

But free money is only for the wealthy, the poor must work themselves into an early grave for their scraps.

I'll go with the politicians ripping us off but the rest is total bullshit.
We have a lot of bank stocks accrued over three decades.
They werent given they were earned and paid for,so you're going to deprive the Wife and I those decades of effort?
Screw you!!!
Oh and by the way.....I'm a high school dropout and the Wife doesn't have a college education.
Tired of you MFers claiming the stock market is beyond your reach. Thats total Bullshit!!!

1) I'm curious as to where I claimed the stock market is out of my reach.
2) My comment was about why "free money" is only regarded as ok when it goes to the wealthy.
3) "Earning" stocks by paying for them isn't the same as earning the money paid in dividends. Dividends only show up if the workers create a profit, so it's "free money" to shareholders.
4) I haven't commented on whether or not I regard owning stocks is good or bad, only on the fact only "poor" people are berated for acquiring "free money"

How much do you hate yourself that you conjured up so much hate against you in a post that I didnt put there?

When the wealthy get money, it's not government money, it's their own that they created.

If we were neighbors and I went into your house and stole 100 bucks a month when you walked your dog, and felt guilty later on, and decided to only steal 75 bucks a month, did I just give you 25 dollars a month?

There is no such thing as free money; only money somebody else made. When government takes less of the money you made, they aren't giving you a thing. They are just taking less of your property away.

The wealthy don't create all the money they earn, they tend to create only a tiny fraction of it, through having companies where "employees" create that wealth for them or buying shares in a company where the employees of that company create the wealth.

Companies don't employ people out of charity, they do so in order to have someone create wealth for them. When employers take the lions share of the wealth a person creates, that's theft. That the wealthy have created unjust laws to allow them to steal the wealth created by their employees, that's legalised theft.

"In 2015, CEOs made 286 times the salary of a typical worker and 299 times more in 2014. Compare that to 1978, when CEO earnings were roughly 30 times the typical worker’s salary."

CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year

That's legalised theft.

 

[Beyond]

Just another bunch of bullshit brought to you by an idiot.

She wants we tax payers to pay people for doing absolutely nothing?

Oh wait. We already do that. Its called welfare and medicade. We pay freeloaders every month to sit on their asses and do nothing.

Her bill won't make it through the senate and you can bet it won't make it through the house either.

Woman is a moron.

We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

And a fortune to

Politicians to rip us off while living in luxury and feathering their nests...

CEOs to to play golf while underpaid workers create the wealth...

Shareholders to do precisely nothing...

Banks create money out of thin air...

But free money is only for the wealthy, the poor must work themselves into an early grave for their scraps.

I'll go with the politicians ripping us off but the rest is total bullshit.
We have a lot of bank stocks accrued over three decades.
They werent given they were earned and paid for,so you're going to deprive the Wife and I those decades of effort?
Screw you!!!
Oh and by the way.....I'm a high school dropout and the Wife doesn't have a college education.
Tired of you MFers claiming the stock market is beyond your reach. Thats total Bullshit!!!

1) I'm curious as to where I claimed the stock market is out of my reach.
2) My comment was about why "free money" is only regarded as ok when it goes to the wealthy.
3) "Earning" stocks by paying for them isn't the same as earning the money paid in dividends. Dividends only show up if the workers create a profit, so it's "free money" to shareholders.
4) I haven't commented on whether or not I regard owning stocks is good or bad, only on the fact only "poor" people are berated for acquiring "free money"

How much do you hate yourself that you conjured up so much hate against you in a post that I didnt put there?

When the wealthy get money, it's not government money, it's their own that they created.

If we were neighbors and I went into your house and stole 100 bucks a month when you walked your dog, and felt guilty later on, and decided to only steal 75 bucks a month, did I just give you 25 dollars a month?

There is no such thing as free money; only money somebody else made. When government takes less of the money you made, they aren't giving you a thing. They are just taking less of your property away.

Politicians work for themselves not the people as they are employed to do. They also have ridiculous expenses, the vast majority of that is free money as they don't work for it.

Quantative easing = free money, but it goes to the banks. It's money created out of thin air, numbers on a screen.

Shareholder Dividends = free money, they don't work for it, but those who manage to acquire enough money to buy the priviledge, can get this free money.

Company owners = many (not all) simply don't pay their workers a fair cut of the money they earn. Yes it's fair for company owners to get a fair cut, even fair that they should get more that the workers as they created and maintain the company, but not the massive percentage most choose to take, because without the workers the millions and billions the owners choose to taketake wouldn't exist.

Banks - for every £1000 a bank holds, they can by law lend out £9000 and charge for doing so. That's free money, they are getting paid for the rent of money they don't have. Free money.

Welfare in work - Companies who pay so little that their workers have to be subsidised by the state. That money they don't pay to workers is part of their profits, the company hasn't earned enough money to finance it's payouts so the government makes up the difference. That's free money.

Notice for all the above, the free money goes to those who can afford to buy into the free money club, while everyone else is trained to believe that "free money" is somehow wrong.

99% of people think free money is somehow wrong, the other 1% are mainly wealthy.

 

[Beyond]

Just another bunch of bullshit brought to you by an idiot.

She wants we tax payers to pay people for doing absolutely nothing?

Oh wait. We already do that. Its called welfare and medicade. We pay freeloaders every month to sit on their asses and do nothing.

Her bill won't make it through the senate and you can bet it won't make it through the house either.

Woman is a moron.

We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

And a fortune to

Politicians to rip us off while living in luxury and feathering their nests...

CEOs to to play golf while underpaid workers create the wealth...

Shareholders to do precisely nothing...

Banks create money out of thin air...

But free money is only for the wealthy, the poor must work themselves into an early grave for their scraps.

I'll go with the politicians ripping us off but the rest is total bullshit.
We have a lot of bank stocks accrued over three decades.
They werent given they were earned and paid for,so you're going to deprive the Wife and I those decades of effort?
Screw you!!!
Oh and by the way.....I'm a high school dropout and the Wife doesn't have a college education.
Tired of you MFers claiming the stock market is beyond your reach. Thats total Bullshit!!!

1) I'm curious as to where I claimed the stock market is out of my reach.
2) My comment was about why "free money" is only regarded as ok when it goes to the wealthy.
3) "Earning" stocks by paying for them isn't the same as earning the money paid in dividends. Dividends only show up if the workers create a profit, so it's "free money" to shareholders.
4) I haven't commented on whether or not I regard owning stocks is good or bad, only on the fact only "poor" people are berated for acquiring "free money"

How much do you hate yourself that you conjured up so much hate against you in a post that I didnt put there?

I earn dividends!!!
Thats no different from making money off stock sales.

Very true if you don't work for the company (or didn't work in the past to build the company) If you get dividends by virtue of simply buying shares, that isn't "earned", it's free money, because those shares can be resold to return their orginial value to you. (yes I know the value can go up or down)

However, don't misunderstand my point. My point is the same people who condem those who need welfare for wanting "free money" are usually the very same people who support a system where the wealthy can and do obtain billions of £/$ of "free money". Why?

 

[Andylusion]

Maybe you could get corporations to stop age discrimination? Nah, that'll never work..

Sanders started KFC in his 60s.

Here's a thought.... instead of crying about everyone else.... go fix the problem yourself. Start your own business and higher old people.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

And a fortune to

Politicians to rip us off while living in luxury and feathering their nests...

CEOs to to play golf while underpaid workers create the wealth...

Shareholders to do precisely nothing...

Banks create money out of thin air...

But free money is only for the wealthy, the poor must work themselves into an early grave for their scraps.

I'll go with the politicians ripping us off but the rest is total bullshit.
We have a lot of bank stocks accrued over three decades.
They werent given they were earned and paid for,so you're going to deprive the Wife and I those decades of effort?
Screw you!!!
Oh and by the way.....I'm a high school dropout and the Wife doesn't have a college education.
Tired of you MFers claiming the stock market is beyond your reach. Thats total Bullshit!!!

1) I'm curious as to where I claimed the stock market is out of my reach.
2) My comment was about why "free money" is only regarded as ok when it goes to the wealthy.
3) "Earning" stocks by paying for them isn't the same as earning the money paid in dividends. Dividends only show up if the workers create a profit, so it's "free money" to shareholders.
4) I haven't commented on whether or not I regard owning stocks is good or bad, only on the fact only "poor" people are berated for acquiring "free money"

How much do you hate yourself that you conjured up so much hate against you in a post that I didnt put there?

When the wealthy get money, it's not government money, it's their own that they created.

If we were neighbors and I went into your house and stole 100 bucks a month when you walked your dog, and felt guilty later on, and decided to only steal 75 bucks a month, did I just give you 25 dollars a month?

There is no such thing as free money; only money somebody else made. When government takes less of the money you made, they aren't giving you a thing. They are just taking less of your property away.

The wealthy don't create all the money they earn, they tend to create only a tiny fraction of it, through having companies where "employees" create that wealth for them or buying shares in a company where the employees of that company create the wealth.

Companies don't employ people out of charity, they do so in order to have someone create wealth for them. When employers take the lions share of the wealth a person creates, that's theft. That the wealthy have created unjust laws to allow them to steal the wealth created by their employees, that's legalised theft.

"In 2015, CEOs made 286 times the salary of a typical worker and 299 times more in 2014. Compare that to 1978, when CEO earnings were roughly 30 times the typical worker’s salary."

CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year

That's legalised theft.

The solution is simple.
Open your own business and pay every employee 70k a year.
Why does that sound so familiar......

Employment Policies Institute | CEO Who Raised Pay To 70K Couldn’t Defy Gravity

 

[Beyond]

You might trying hearing it from her lips.
Rep. Tlaib unveils bold new policy for America's poor

Funny we always hear that the current President is spending too much. Yet it is crazies that want to increase welfare spending that so many want to stand behind without a thought to how it increases the debt.
People are always crying about Social Security and Medicare which are paid into but never complain about welfare and Medicaid which are never paid into.

Can you really not tell the difference between helping poor people survive and padding weathly people's pockets?

There is the problem. It’s not just poor and wealthy. There is a middle class and your post is case in point. The Democrats don’t care about the middle class

Republicans pretty much destroyed the middle.class.

Perhaps but I don’t see how Democrats are helping by calling me privileged for being white and saying that making $250k a year means I should pay more in taxes. At least the GOP lowered taxes

If you are earning $250 a year your are indeed privileged. You are getting more out of the system that most, so it seems fair that you should put more into the system than most. Nothing wrong with having such a privilege and any tax paid shouldn't be redicuously high, but if you're getting more out of the system than others why is it wrong that you pay more into the system than them?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Funny we always hear that the current President is spending too much. Yet it is crazies that want to increase welfare spending that so many want to stand behind without a thought to how it increases the debt.
People are always crying about Social Security and Medicare which are paid into but never complain about welfare and Medicaid which are never paid into.

Can you really not tell the difference between helping poor people survive and padding weathly people's pockets?

There is the problem. It’s not just poor and wealthy. There is a middle class and your post is case in point. The Democrats don’t care about the middle class

Republicans pretty much destroyed the middle.class.

Perhaps but I don’t see how Democrats are helping by calling me privileged for being white and saying that making $250k a year means I should pay more in taxes. At least the GOP lowered taxes

If you are earning $250 a year your are indeed privileged. You are getting more out of the system that most, so it seems fair that you should put more into the system than most. Nothing wrong with having such a privilege and any tax paid shouldn't be redicuously high, but if you're getting more out of the system than others why is it wrong that you pay more into the system than them?

Explain "more out of the system"? I also lease two cars, so I am helping the manufacturers, dealers, etc. I pay RE tax. I pay excise tax. I have to pay for my kids education. That $250k and actually it is closer to $280k doesn't carry as much weight as you may think. To tax me at 40% is insanity? How am I priveleged? I didn't just stumble on these earnings, I had to fight and claw to attain them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Funny we always hear that the current President is spending too much. Yet it is crazies that want to increase welfare spending that so many want to stand behind without a thought to how it increases the debt.
People are always crying about Social Security and Medicare which are paid into but never complain about welfare and Medicaid which are never paid into.

Can you really not tell the difference between helping poor people survive and padding weathly people's pockets?

There is the problem. It’s not just poor and wealthy. There is a middle class and your post is case in point. The Democrats don’t care about the middle class

Republicans pretty much destroyed the middle.class.

Perhaps but I don’t see how Democrats are helping by calling me privileged for being white and saying that making $250k a year means I should pay more in taxes. At least the GOP lowered taxes

If you are earning $250 a year your are indeed privileged. You are getting more out of the system that most, so it seems fair that you should put more into the system than most. Nothing wrong with having such a privilege and any tax paid shouldn't be redicuously high, but if you're getting more out of the system than others why is it wrong that you pay more into the system than them?

This is the failed logic of the left: If one has too much, that's the reason others have too little.

There is no system to get anything out of. Every single American has the opportunity to invest. If you want to live your life working until you die or retire, have four kids, have the newest iPhone, the newest car, the biggest internet/ cable combination, four video game systems, unlimited data/ cell phone service for your entire family's smart phones, then of course you didn't even look at investing.

But while you were doing all that, other people were giving the best part of their lives to get an advanced education. Others invested their money in their own business. Most made investments in one of the several markets we have.

When you live life like the latter, you have to make a hell of a lot of sacrifices. You may have to give up vacations, work seven days a week, drive a very economic vehicle, don't turn your thermostat past 60 in the winter and under 70 in the summer, do with the minimum technology you need, don't get married or have children, live well below your means even if that house is way too small or not in the best of neighborhoods.

All investments come with risks; risks not seen by simply having a job. Yet if you do all those things and eventually live well, government should come along and take what you sacrificed for to give to those that didn't?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?


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And a fortune to

Politicians to rip us off while living in luxury and feathering their nests...

CEOs to to play golf while underpaid workers create the wealth...

Shareholders to do precisely nothing...

Banks create money out of thin air...

But free money is only for the wealthy, the poor must work themselves into an early grave for their scraps.

I'll go with the politicians ripping us off but the rest is total bullshit.
We have a lot of bank stocks accrued over three decades.
They werent given they were earned and paid for,so you're going to deprive the Wife and I those decades of effort?
Screw you!!!
Oh and by the way.....I'm a high school dropout and the Wife doesn't have a college education.
Tired of you MFers claiming the stock market is beyond your reach. Thats total Bullshit!!!

1) I'm curious as to where I claimed the stock market is out of my reach.
2) My comment was about why "free money" is only regarded as ok when it goes to the wealthy.
3) "Earning" stocks by paying for them isn't the same as earning the money paid in dividends. Dividends only show up if the workers create a profit, so it's "free money" to shareholders.
4) I haven't commented on whether or not I regard owning stocks is good or bad, only on the fact only "poor" people are berated for acquiring "free money"

How much do you hate yourself that you conjured up so much hate against you in a post that I didnt put there?

When the wealthy get money, it's not government money, it's their own that they created.

If we were neighbors and I went into your house and stole 100 bucks a month when you walked your dog, and felt guilty later on, and decided to only steal 75 bucks a month, did I just give you 25 dollars a month?

There is no such thing as free money; only money somebody else made. When government takes less of the money you made, they aren't giving you a thing. They are just taking less of your property away.

Politicians work for themselves not the people as they are employed to do. They also have ridiculous expenses, the vast majority of that is free money as they don't work for it.

Quantative easing = free money, but it goes to the banks. It's money created out of thin air, numbers on a screen.

Shareholder Dividends = free money, they don't work for it, but those who manage to acquire enough money to buy the priviledge, can get this free money.

Company owners = many (not all) simply don't pay their workers a fair cut of the money they earn. Yes it's fair for company owners to get a fair cut, even fair that they should get more that the workers as they created and maintain the company, but not the massive percentage most choose to take, because without the workers the millions and billions the owners choose to taketake wouldn't exist.

Banks - for every £1000 a bank holds, they can by law lend out £9000 and charge for doing so. That's free money, they are getting paid for the rent of money they don't have. Free money.

Welfare in work - Companies who pay so little that their workers have to be subsidised by the state. That money they don't pay to workers is part of their profits, the company hasn't earned enough money to finance it's payouts so the government makes up the difference. That's free money.

Notice for all the above, the free money goes to those who can afford to buy into the free money club, while everyone else is trained to believe that "free money" is somehow wrong.

99% of people think free money is somehow wrong, the other 1% are mainly wealthy.

You are delusional.

When you risk your money, it is earned money. There is no such thing as free money. Just because you didn't earn it with a shovel or putting french fries in a hopper doesn't mean it's not earned.

I'm a working landlord. Besides my paycheck, I rent apartments (that I BOUGHT with my money) to other people. In return for me giving them a place to live, they pay me money to live here.

I haven't been on a vacation in 30 years. I spend all my vacation time getting to projects I couldn't get to while working. While my tenants come home and enjoy a beautiful summer day, I'm out there doing yard work or attending to a broken sink. In the winter time when my tenants simply leave their warm car and go into their warm apartment, I had to snowplow the drive and parking lot for them to get in or out. If we get a heavy snow overnight, I have to wake up at 4:00 am to do the drive while my tenants remain in their warm bed.

Hopefully in the end, I'll have a nice retirement to supplement my SS and 401K. Should government take that money from me because I took a huge risk and worked my ass off all of my life so I can have a comfortable retirement?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And a fortune to

Politicians to rip us off while living in luxury and feathering their nests...

CEOs to to play golf while underpaid workers create the wealth...

Shareholders to do precisely nothing...

Banks create money out of thin air...

But free money is only for the wealthy, the poor must work themselves into an early grave for their scraps.

I'll go with the politicians ripping us off but the rest is total bullshit.
We have a lot of bank stocks accrued over three decades.
They werent given they were earned and paid for,so you're going to deprive the Wife and I those decades of effort?
Screw you!!!
Oh and by the way.....I'm a high school dropout and the Wife doesn't have a college education.
Tired of you MFers claiming the stock market is beyond your reach. Thats total Bullshit!!!

1) I'm curious as to where I claimed the stock market is out of my reach.
2) My comment was about why "free money" is only regarded as ok when it goes to the wealthy.
3) "Earning" stocks by paying for them isn't the same as earning the money paid in dividends. Dividends only show up if the workers create a profit, so it's "free money" to shareholders.
4) I haven't commented on whether or not I regard owning stocks is good or bad, only on the fact only "poor" people are berated for acquiring "free money"

How much do you hate yourself that you conjured up so much hate against you in a post that I didnt put there?

When the wealthy get money, it's not government money, it's their own that they created.

If we were neighbors and I went into your house and stole 100 bucks a month when you walked your dog, and felt guilty later on, and decided to only steal 75 bucks a month, did I just give you 25 dollars a month?

There is no such thing as free money; only money somebody else made. When government takes less of the money you made, they aren't giving you a thing. They are just taking less of your property away.

Politicians work for themselves not the people as they are employed to do. They also have ridiculous expenses, the vast majority of that is free money as they don't work for it.

Quantative easing = free money, but it goes to the banks. It's money created out of thin air, numbers on a screen.

Shareholder Dividends = free money, they don't work for it, but those who manage to acquire enough money to buy the priviledge, can get this free money.

Company owners = many (not all) simply don't pay their workers a fair cut of the money they earn. Yes it's fair for company owners to get a fair cut, even fair that they should get more that the workers as they created and maintain the company, but not the massive percentage most choose to take, because without the workers the millions and billions the owners choose to taketake wouldn't exist.

Banks - for every £1000 a bank holds, they can by law lend out £9000 and charge for doing so. That's free money, they are getting paid for the rent of money they don't have. Free money.

Welfare in work - Companies who pay so little that their workers have to be subsidised by the state. That money they don't pay to workers is part of their profits, the company hasn't earned enough money to finance it's payouts so the government makes up the difference. That's free money.

Notice for all the above, the free money goes to those who can afford to buy into the free money club, while everyone else is trained to believe that "free money" is somehow wrong.

99% of people think free money is somehow wrong, the other 1% are mainly wealthy.

You are delusional.

When you risk your money, it is earned money. There is no such thing as free money. Just because you didn't earn it with a shovel or putting french fries in a hopper doesn't mean it's not earned.

I'm a working landlord. Besides my paycheck, I rent apartments (that I BOUGHT with my money) to other people. In return for me giving them a place to live, they pay me money to live here.

I haven't been on a vacation in 30 years. I spend all my vacation time getting to projects I couldn't get to while working. While my tenants come home and enjoy a beautiful summer day, I'm out there doing yard work or attending to a broken sink. In the winter time when my tenants simply leave their warm car and go into their warm apartment, I had to snowplow the drive and parking lot for them to get in or out. If we get a heavy snow overnight, I have to wake up at 4:00 am to do the drive while my tenants remain in their warm bed.

Hopefully in the end, I'll have a nice retirement to supplement my SS and 401K. Should government take that money from me because I took a huge risk and worked my ass off all of my life so I can have a comfortable retirement?

Thank You!
These dumbfucks think people just fall into wealth without risk to themselves.
We bet it all for the opportunity to be comfortable in our old age,we take that chance based on our knowledge of a certain market,whether it be on rental property or stocks.
While they cower in the corner refusing to take a chance because they're pussies!!!!
They need to grow a set or STFU!!!

 

[SAYIT]

We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?


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And a fortune to

Politicians to rip us off while living in luxury and feathering their nests...

CEOs to to play golf while underpaid workers create the wealth...

Shareholders to do precisely nothing...

Banks create money out of thin air...

But free money is only for the wealthy, the poor must work themselves into an early grave for their scraps.

I'll go with the politicians ripping us off but the rest is total bullshit.
We have a lot of bank stocks accrued over three decades.
They werent given they were earned and paid for,so you're going to deprive the Wife and I those decades of effort?
Screw you!!!
Oh and by the way.....I'm a high school dropout and the Wife doesn't have a college education.
Tired of you MFers claiming the stock market is beyond your reach. Thats total Bullshit!!!

1) I'm curious as to where I claimed the stock market is out of my reach.
2) My comment was about why "free money" is only regarded as ok when it goes to the wealthy.
3) "Earning" stocks by paying for them isn't the same as earning the money paid in dividends. Dividends only show up if the workers create a profit, so it's "free money" to shareholders.
4) I haven't commented on whether or not I regard owning stocks is good or bad, only on the fact only "poor" people are berated for acquiring "free money"

How much do you hate yourself that you conjured up so much hate against you in a post that I didnt put there?

I earn dividends!!!
Thats no different from making money off stock sales.

Very true if you don't work for the company (or didn't work in the past to build the company) If you get dividends by virtue of simply buying shares, that isn't "earned", it's free money, because those shares can be resold to return their orginial value to you. (yes I know the value can go up or down)

However, don't misunderstand my point. My point is the same people who condem those who need welfare for wanting "free money" are usually the very same people who support a system where the wealthy can and do obtain billions of £/$ of "free money". Why?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'll go with the politicians ripping us off but the rest is total bullshit.
We have a lot of bank stocks accrued over three decades.
They werent given they were earned and paid for,so you're going to deprive the Wife and I those decades of effort?
Screw you!!!
Oh and by the way.....I'm a high school dropout and the Wife doesn't have a college education.
Tired of you MFers claiming the stock market is beyond your reach. Thats total Bullshit!!!

1) I'm curious as to where I claimed the stock market is out of my reach.
2) My comment was about why "free money" is only regarded as ok when it goes to the wealthy.
3) "Earning" stocks by paying for them isn't the same as earning the money paid in dividends. Dividends only show up if the workers create a profit, so it's "free money" to shareholders.
4) I haven't commented on whether or not I regard owning stocks is good or bad, only on the fact only "poor" people are berated for acquiring "free money"

How much do you hate yourself that you conjured up so much hate against you in a post that I didnt put there?

When the wealthy get money, it's not government money, it's their own that they created.

If we were neighbors and I went into your house and stole 100 bucks a month when you walked your dog, and felt guilty later on, and decided to only steal 75 bucks a month, did I just give you 25 dollars a month?

There is no such thing as free money; only money somebody else made. When government takes less of the money you made, they aren't giving you a thing. They are just taking less of your property away.

Politicians work for themselves not the people as they are employed to do. They also have ridiculous expenses, the vast majority of that is free money as they don't work for it.

Quantative easing = free money, but it goes to the banks. It's money created out of thin air, numbers on a screen.

Shareholder Dividends = free money, they don't work for it, but those who manage to acquire enough money to buy the priviledge, can get this free money.

Company owners = many (not all) simply don't pay their workers a fair cut of the money they earn. Yes it's fair for company owners to get a fair cut, even fair that they should get more that the workers as they created and maintain the company, but not the massive percentage most choose to take, because without the workers the millions and billions the owners choose to taketake wouldn't exist.

Banks - for every £1000 a bank holds, they can by law lend out £9000 and charge for doing so. That's free money, they are getting paid for the rent of money they don't have. Free money.

Welfare in work - Companies who pay so little that their workers have to be subsidised by the state. That money they don't pay to workers is part of their profits, the company hasn't earned enough money to finance it's payouts so the government makes up the difference. That's free money.

Notice for all the above, the free money goes to those who can afford to buy into the free money club, while everyone else is trained to believe that "free money" is somehow wrong.

99% of people think free money is somehow wrong, the other 1% are mainly wealthy.

You are delusional.

When you risk your money, it is earned money. There is no such thing as free money. Just because you didn't earn it with a shovel or putting french fries in a hopper doesn't mean it's not earned.

I'm a working landlord. Besides my paycheck, I rent apartments (that I BOUGHT with my money) to other people. In return for me giving them a place to live, they pay me money to live here.

I haven't been on a vacation in 30 years. I spend all my vacation time getting to projects I couldn't get to while working. While my tenants come home and enjoy a beautiful summer day, I'm out there doing yard work or attending to a broken sink. In the winter time when my tenants simply leave their warm car and go into their warm apartment, I had to snowplow the drive and parking lot for them to get in or out. If we get a heavy snow overnight, I have to wake up at 4:00 am to do the drive while my tenants remain in their warm bed.

Hopefully in the end, I'll have a nice retirement to supplement my SS and 401K. Should government take that money from me because I took a huge risk and worked my ass off all of my life so I can have a comfortable retirement?

Thank You!
These dumbfucks think people just fall into wealth without risk to themselves.
We bet it all for the opportunity to be comfortable in our old age,we take that chance based on our knowledge of a certain market,whether it be on rental property or stocks.
While they cower in the corner refusing to take a chance because they're pussies!!!!
They need to grow a set or STFU!!!

They only look at the successful people and not the people who didn't make it. Many people lost everything they worked for their entire lives on a bad investment or investments they had when the economy took a dump. Most small businesses that open up fail within the first five years. Everything gone.

During the housing bubble the apartment market was miserable. We had price wars to get anybody to rent our units. We took a huge financial loss, and the tenants we got were the bottom of the barrel. Many people bought homes instead of renting, and those that already had homes bought them to rent out. Then everybody was a landlord.

Fast forward to today, the rental market is the hottest I've seen in my life. Landlords are not only making those losses back, but much better than that. So what are the liberals suggesting? That the government impose rental caps. Landlords are now making too much money, and it's making apartments unaffordable. So the cry babies went to government to ask them to stop us.

None of these people ever suggested government help us when our boats were sinking during the housing bubble. You're going to lose everything? Too bad. It's the chance you took! Live with it.

I can't afford a home. Now I can't afford an apartment. Well HTF did that become my problem? I didn't invest in real estate as a social obligation. I invested to make as much money as I could.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We pay farmers not to plant crops on some of their land...is this any different?


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And a fortune to

Politicians to rip us off while living in luxury and feathering their nests...

CEOs to to play golf while underpaid workers create the wealth...

Shareholders to do precisely nothing...

Banks create money out of thin air...

But free money is only for the wealthy, the poor must work themselves into an early grave for their scraps.

I'll go with the politicians ripping us off but the rest is total bullshit.
We have a lot of bank stocks accrued over three decades.
They werent given they were earned and paid for,so you're going to deprive the Wife and I those decades of effort?
Screw you!!!
Oh and by the way.....I'm a high school dropout and the Wife doesn't have a college education.
Tired of you MFers claiming the stock market is beyond your reach. Thats total Bullshit!!!

1) I'm curious as to where I claimed the stock market is out of my reach.
2) My comment was about why "free money" is only regarded as ok when it goes to the wealthy.
3) "Earning" stocks by paying for them isn't the same as earning the money paid in dividends. Dividends only show up if the workers create a profit, so it's "free money" to shareholders.
4) I haven't commented on whether or not I regard owning stocks is good or bad, only on the fact only "poor" people are berated for acquiring "free money"

How much do you hate yourself that you conjured up so much hate against you in a post that I didnt put there?

When the wealthy get money, it's not government money, it's their own that they created.

If we were neighbors and I went into your house and stole 100 bucks a month when you walked your dog, and felt guilty later on, and decided to only steal 75 bucks a month, did I just give you 25 dollars a month?

There is no such thing as free money; only money somebody else made. When government takes less of the money you made, they aren't giving you a thing. They are just taking less of your property away.

The wealthy don't create all the money they earn, they tend to create only a tiny fraction of it, through having companies where "employees" create that wealth for them or buying shares in a company where the employees of that company create the wealth.

Companies don't employ people out of charity, they do so in order to have someone create wealth for them. When employers take the lions share of the wealth a person creates, that's theft. That the wealthy have created unjust laws to allow them to steal the wealth created by their employees, that's legalised theft.

"In 2015, CEOs made 286 times the salary of a typical worker and 299 times more in 2014. Compare that to 1978, when CEO earnings were roughly 30 times the typical worker’s salary."

CEOs make $15.6 million on average—here’s how much their pay has increased compared to yours over the year

That's legalised theft.

That is so convoluted I don't know where to begin.

Employees do not create wealth. They create a paycheck. Only the employer can create wealth.

Lets say you wanted to get into the stock market. You hire a firm and get a broker. Your broker takes a percentage of what stocks you buy--not how much those stocks make. He or she does all the work. All you did was provide the money.

You hit the jackpot. Because of your research and hunches, you make a million dollars on that stock. Should your broker be entitled to 30% of your fortune? Of course not. Why? Because the broker made an agreement with you to earn X amount of money on the amount of stock you purchased, and that's it. You owe him nothing more. But wait! He did all the work! It doesn't matter.

Until employers start kidnapping people to work at their facilities, you don't have a point here. YOU freely agreed to do X job. You agreed to do that job for X amount of money and/or benefits. You did your part by providing the labor, and your employer did his part by paying you for that labor. You are not entitled to anything more unless you got a job that offered profit sharing as a benefit.

If you think employees should get paid based on the profit of the company, would it not be fair that you work for much less when the company is not doing so good? For instance, let's say you are a drill press operator. You make $20.00 per hour because your company is doing good. If the company loses their largest customer, would you be willing to do that same job for $3.00 an hour?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Justin Haskins: Democrat Rashida Tlaib proposes disastrous cash giveaway -- guess who’s going to pay for it? | Fox News

This is a huge problem. We need to provide incentives for people to work and not to game the system and receive free monies. Regardless of party affiliation we need to just be smart and understand basic economics.

You might trying hearing it from her lips.
Rep. Tlaib unveils bold new policy for America's poor

Funny we always hear that the current President is spending too much. Yet it is crazies that want to increase welfare spending that so many want to stand behind without a thought to how it increases the debt.
People are always crying about Social Security and Medicare which are paid into but never complain about welfare and Medicaid which are never paid into.

Can you really not tell the difference between helping poor people survive and padding weathly people's pockets?

There is the problem. It’s not just poor and wealthy. There is a middle class and your post is case in point. The Democrats don’t care about the middle class

Republicans pretty much destroyed the middle.class.

How did the Republicans do that?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You might trying hearing it from her lips.
Rep. Tlaib unveils bold new policy for America's poor

Funny we always hear that the current President is spending too much. Yet it is crazies that want to increase welfare spending that so many want to stand behind without a thought to how it increases the debt.
People are always crying about Social Security and Medicare which are paid into but never complain about welfare and Medicaid which are never paid into.

Can you really not tell the difference between helping poor people survive and padding weathly people's pockets?

There is the problem. It’s not just poor and wealthy. There is a middle class and your post is case in point. The Democrats don’t care about the middle class

Republicans pretty much destroyed the middle.class.

How did the Republicans do that?

I live in Texas,a right to work state, and went from living in a house with no power or gas,cooking in the fireplace and taking cold showers in February at 18 to a 5k square ft house at 42 in a master planned community.
I'll blame Republicans for that.......

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Funny we always hear that the current President is spending too much. Yet it is crazies that want to increase welfare spending that so many want to stand behind without a thought to how it increases the debt.
People are always crying about Social Security and Medicare which are paid into but never complain about welfare and Medicaid which are never paid into.

Can you really not tell the difference between helping poor people survive and padding weathly people's pockets?

There is the problem. It’s not just poor and wealthy. There is a middle class and your post is case in point. The Democrats don’t care about the middle class

Republicans pretty much destroyed the middle.class.

How did the Republicans do that?

I live in Texas,a right to work state, and went from living in a house with no power or gas,cooking in the fireplace and taking cold showers in February at 18 to a 5k square ft house at 42 in a master planned community.
I'll blame Republicans for that.......

The response will be entertaining as usual. I predict the old rag that Republicans destroyed the unions because Reagan went after only one group of union workers. Or that Republicans outsourced work as if politicians had the ability to do that. Or that Republicans gave tax breaks to companies that moved overseas which even FactCheck claims is another wives tale.

Whatever he comes back with, again, it will be entertaining to say the least.