Freedom of Religion? Christian Artists Face Jail Time For Not Making Same-Sex Wedding Invitations

[LoneLaugher]

The "offended" couple could just choose to go somewhere else. Public accommodation laws are only relevant if there is a complaint.

Maybe, just now and then, we could choose to live and let live. They're Christians, they don't want to work with us, just let it go.

But no, we just have to punish them. Send them to jail if we can.

Sad to see.
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Whaddya think, Mac? How many of the "honest liberals" on your anti-PC list would agree with you here?

I'm thinking not many.

 

[OKTexas]

The restaurant says they'll feed me too, but if they don't offer what I want should I be able to sue them or should I go somewhere that offers what I want?

If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a ham- you have gone to the wrong store.
If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a screwdriver because you are Jewish, you can either go to another hardware store, or you can file a complaint with the appropriate city or state agency.

What if I go to a hardware store and want a rotary hammer and they tell me they don't sell them because rotary hammers violate their religion.

Then you are out of luck.

But if they refused to sell to you because you are a Christian, you could sue the hell out of them.

Deflection, you folks are champs at it, why do you keep trying to introduce crap not under discussion? We're talking about getting things vendors don't offer.

No we are talking about a Christian business that doesn't want to follow the law, and is suing so that they don't have to sell their product to customers if they object to their race, religion or sexual preference.

So if I told a muslim butcher I wanted some pork to fuck he'd have to sell it to me? I mean if were going to protect personal sexual preferences let's protect them all, right? Tell me where do we draw the line?

 

[Mac1958]

If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a ham- you have gone to the wrong store.
If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a screwdriver because you are Jewish, you can either go to another hardware store, or you can file a complaint with the appropriate city or state agency.

What if I go to a hardware store and want a rotary hammer and they tell me they don't sell them because rotary hammers violate their religion.

Then you are out of luck.

But if they refused to sell to you because you are a Christian, you could sue the hell out of them.

Deflection, you folks are champs at it, why do you keep trying to introduce crap not under discussion? We're talking about getting things vendors don't offer.

No we are talking about a Christian business that doesn't want to follow the law, and is suing so that they don't have to sell their product to customers if they object to their race, religion or sexual preference.

So if I told a muslim butcher I wanted some pork to fuck he'd have to sell it to me? I mean if were going to protect personal sexual preferences let's protect them all, right? Tell me where do we draw the line?

"We" don't draw the line.

The PC zealots do.
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[Syriusly]

Here is what their business offers

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

Nothing on the 'menu' there about only selling to straight couples.

 

[Syriusly]

If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a ham- you have gone to the wrong store.
If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a screwdriver because you are Jewish, you can either go to another hardware store, or you can file a complaint with the appropriate city or state agency.

What if I go to a hardware store and want a rotary hammer and they tell me they don't sell them because rotary hammers violate their religion.

Then you are out of luck.

But if they refused to sell to you because you are a Christian, you could sue the hell out of them.

Deflection, you folks are champs at it, why do you keep trying to introduce crap not under discussion? We're talking about getting things vendors don't offer.

No we are talking about a Christian business that doesn't want to follow the law, and is suing so that they don't have to sell their product to customers if they object to their race, religion or sexual preference.

So if I told a muslim butcher I wanted some pork to fuck he'd have to sell it to me? I mean if were going to protect personal sexual preferences let's protect them all, right? Tell me where do we draw the line?

I think if you told a Muslim butcher you wanted some pork to fuck you would be one sick fucker.

 

[OKTexas]

What if they only offer beef sausage and I want pork sausage, can I sue them for not offering what I want? After all they do offer sausage.

"If they only offer beef sausage"....you just answered your own question.

The artist only offer hetro invitations, so I guess you answered yours too.

Yep- no different than if they only offered white invitations.

Or said they wouldn't sell to Jews.

Wrong fagism isn't a race or a religion. It's personal preferences and conduct.

Christism is a personal preference and conduct.

Why do Christofascists think that they should be excluded from obeying the law?

Can a law be a law if it contradicts the supreme law of the land? Where does the Constitutions say if you want to provide for your family you have to give up the freedom to exercise your religion as you see fit, or the right to chose who you associate with?

 

[OKTexas]

Here is what their business offers

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

Nothing on the 'menu' there about only selling to straight couples.

Show me one restaurant menu that tells you what they don't serve.

 

[mdk]

Why should these people be forced to print anything, for anyone, aganist their wishes?

It is the law. And....it's just.

In my opinion, you're half right.

 

[OKTexas]

What if I go to a hardware store and want a rotary hammer and they tell me they don't sell them because rotary hammers violate their religion.

Then you are out of luck.

But if they refused to sell to you because you are a Christian, you could sue the hell out of them.

Deflection, you folks are champs at it, why do you keep trying to introduce crap not under discussion? We're talking about getting things vendors don't offer.

No we are talking about a Christian business that doesn't want to follow the law, and is suing so that they don't have to sell their product to customers if they object to their race, religion or sexual preference.

So if I told a muslim butcher I wanted some pork to fuck he'd have to sell it to me? I mean if were going to protect personal sexual preferences let's protect them all, right? Tell me where do we draw the line?

I think if you told a Muslim butcher you wanted some pork to fuck you would be one sick fucker.

Just an absurd example like you regressives throw around all the time, you're the one that brought up sexual preferences.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Why should these people be forced to print anything, for anyone, aganist their wishes?

It is the law. And....it's just.

In my opinion, you're half right.

I know. You are one of my favorite people here. But your take on this topic is bullshit. Let's leave it at that.

 

[Timmy]

"If they only offer beef sausage"....you just answered your own question.

The artist only offer hetro invitations, so I guess you answered yours too.

Yep- no different than if they only offered white invitations.

Or said they wouldn't sell to Jews.

Wrong fagism isn't a race or a religion. It's personal preferences and conduct.

Christism is a personal preference and conduct.

Why do Christofascists think that they should be excluded from obeying the law?

Can a law be a law if it contradicts the supreme law of the land? Where does the Constitutions say if you want to provide for your family you have to give up the freedom to exercise your religion as you see fit, or the right to chose who you associate with?

It's a law saying business can't discrim against someone cause they are gay . You can have laws that regulate business .

I want to know where it says in the bible/quaran/Torah that you shouldn't sell to gays?

 

[mdk]

Why should these people be forced to print anything, for anyone, aganist their wishes?

It is the law. And....it's just.

In my opinion, you're half right.

I know. You are one of my favorite people here. But your take on this topic is bullshit. Let's leave it at that.

I am quite fond of you as well. We simply see things differently concerning this topic. Cheers!

 

[Syriusly]

"If they only offer beef sausage"....you just answered your own question.

The artist only offer hetro invitations, so I guess you answered yours too.

Yep- no different than if they only offered white invitations.

Or said they wouldn't sell to Jews.

Wrong fagism isn't a race or a religion. It's personal preferences and conduct.

Christism is a personal preference and conduct.

Why do Christofascists think that they should be excluded from obeying the law?

Can a law be a law if it contradicts the supreme law of the land? Where does the Constitutions say if you want to provide for your family you have to give up the freedom to exercise your religion as you see fit, or the right to chose who you associate with?

Well that is an interesting question isn't it?

Over 50 years ago, when the first such laws were passed, good Christian business owners felt it was their right not to serve blacks or Jews.

They lost that fight.

Because here is the thing- a business still has to follow the law. A business can't for example ignore city sanitation rules by claiming that his religion doesn't allow him to sanitize his business.

 

[OKTexas]

The artist only offer hetro invitations, so I guess you answered yours too.

Yep- no different than if they only offered white invitations.

Or said they wouldn't sell to Jews.

Wrong fagism isn't a race or a religion. It's personal preferences and conduct.

Christism is a personal preference and conduct.

Why do Christofascists think that they should be excluded from obeying the law?

Can a law be a law if it contradicts the supreme law of the land? Where does the Constitutions say if you want to provide for your family you have to give up the freedom to exercise your religion as you see fit, or the right to chose who you associate with?

It's a law saying business can't discrim against someone cause they are gay . You can have laws that regulate business .

I want to know where it says in the bible/quaran/Torah that you shouldn't sell to gays?

And what's the foundation for that law other than personal preferences, how many other personal preferences that aren't protected in the Constitution should we write laws about?

If you want to know something I hear google is a good place to start.

 

[Syriusly]

Here is what their business offers

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

Nothing on the 'menu' there about only selling to straight couples.

Show me one restaurant menu that tells you what they don't serve.

Why would i do that?

Here is what this business does:

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

That is their business- that is their menu.

If you go to their business and demand that they cook you a kosher meal- they can laugh you out of their shop- because they don't sell food.

But if you go into their shop and order wedding invitations- then by law they cannot refuse to sell you a wedding invitation because they don't approve of Jewish weddings.

 

[Syriusly]

Then you are out of luck.

But if they refused to sell to you because you are a Christian, you could sue the hell out of them.

Deflection, you folks are champs at it, why do you keep trying to introduce crap not under discussion? We're talking about getting things vendors don't offer.

No we are talking about a Christian business that doesn't want to follow the law, and is suing so that they don't have to sell their product to customers if they object to their race, religion or sexual preference.

So if I told a muslim butcher I wanted some pork to fuck he'd have to sell it to me? I mean if were going to protect personal sexual preferences let's protect them all, right? Tell me where do we draw the line?

I think if you told a Muslim butcher you wanted some pork to fuck you would be one sick fucker.

Just an absurd example like you regressives throw around all the time, you're the one that brought up sexual preferences.

The only one throwing out absurd examples in this thread is the pig fucker.

 

[OKTexas]

The artist only offer hetro invitations, so I guess you answered yours too.

Yep- no different than if they only offered white invitations.

Or said they wouldn't sell to Jews.

Wrong fagism isn't a race or a religion. It's personal preferences and conduct.

Christism is a personal preference and conduct.

Why do Christofascists think that they should be excluded from obeying the law?

Can a law be a law if it contradicts the supreme law of the land? Where does the Constitutions say if you want to provide for your family you have to give up the freedom to exercise your religion as you see fit, or the right to chose who you associate with?

Well that is an interesting question isn't it?

Over 50 years ago, when the first such laws were passed, good Christian business owners felt it was their right not to serve blacks or Jews.

They lost that fight.

Because here is the thing- a business still has to follow the law. A business can't for example ignore city sanitation rules by claiming that his religion doesn't allow him to sanitize his business.

What you're missing is all discrimination laws, except for faghadist, are based on genetics and not personal preferences or conduct. There is nothing in the Constitution as amended that protects personal preferences or conduct form discrimination. Just because a bunch of fags and feel good regressives think it's a good idea to invent some kind of protection doesn't make it constitutional or right. BTW there are protections in the Constitution about involuntary servitude.

 

[OKTexas]

Here is what their business offers

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

Nothing on the 'menu' there about only selling to straight couples.

Show me one restaurant menu that tells you what they don't serve.

Why would i do that?

Here is what this business does:

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

That is their business- that is their menu.

If you go to their business and demand that they cook you a kosher meal- they can laugh you out of their shop- because they don't sell food.

But if you go into their shop and order wedding invitations- then by law they cannot refuse to sell you a wedding invitation because they don't approve of Jewish weddings.

More deflection, how appropriate.

 

[TheDude]

LGBT agenda: Disperse confusion from the individual to the public.

 

[Syriusly]

Yep- no different than if they only offered white invitations.

Or said they wouldn't sell to Jews.

Wrong fagism isn't a race or a religion. It's personal preferences and conduct.

Christism is a personal preference and conduct.

Why do Christofascists think that they should be excluded from obeying the law?

Can a law be a law if it contradicts the supreme law of the land? Where does the Constitutions say if you want to provide for your family you have to give up the freedom to exercise your religion as you see fit, or the right to chose who you associate with?

Well that is an interesting question isn't it?

Over 50 years ago, when the first such laws were passed, good Christian business owners felt it was their right not to serve blacks or Jews.

They lost that fight.

Because here is the thing- a business still has to follow the law. A business can't for example ignore city sanitation rules by claiming that his religion doesn't allow him to sanitize his business.

What you're missing is all discrimination laws, except for faghadist, are based on genetics and not personal preferences or conduct. .

I keep hearing the Christofascists making that claim.

But of course that is just a stupid lie. Let us look at Phoenix's law again

Equal Opportunity Public Accommodations Discrimination
All people have the right to receive service, free from discrimination, from any business that obtains or solicits customers from the general public. It is against the law for any such business in Phoenix to discriminate against a person on the basis of:

• Age (not genetic)
  
• Sex (genetic)
  
• Race (genetic)
  
• Color (usually genetic)
  
• Religion (not genetic)
  
• Disability (usually not genetic)
  
• Marital status (not genetic)

• National origin (not genetic)

• Sexual orientation (unproven whether genetic or not)

• Gender identity or expression (usually not genetic

So no- all discrimination laws are not based upon genetics- which is why Christians can and have sued businesses for discrimination.