Freedom of Religion? Christian Artists Face Jail Time For Not Making Same-Sex Wedding Invitations

[Syriusly]

LGBT agenda: Disperse confusion from the individual to the public.

Christian agenda: claim persecution if they have to comply with the same laws as everyone else.

 

[Syriusly]

Here is what their business offers

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

Nothing on the 'menu' there about only selling to straight couples.

Show me one restaurant menu that tells you what they don't serve.

Why would i do that?

Here is what this business does:

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

That is their business- that is their menu.

If you go to their business and demand that they cook you a kosher meal- they can laugh you out of their shop- because they don't sell food.

But if you go into their shop and order wedding invitations- then by law they cannot refuse to sell you a wedding invitation because they don't approve of Jewish weddings.

More deflection, how appropriate.

More obfuscation. how typical.

 

[Syriusly]

[ Just because a bunch of fags and feel good regressives think it's a good idea to invent some kind of protection .

Shame isn't it that you couldn't stop all of this nonsense 50 years ago before those faggy Christians got protection against discrimination.

 

[OKTexas]

Wrong fagism isn't a race or a religion. It's personal preferences and conduct.

Christism is a personal preference and conduct.

Why do Christofascists think that they should be excluded from obeying the law?

Can a law be a law if it contradicts the supreme law of the land? Where does the Constitutions say if you want to provide for your family you have to give up the freedom to exercise your religion as you see fit, or the right to chose who you associate with?

Well that is an interesting question isn't it?

Over 50 years ago, when the first such laws were passed, good Christian business owners felt it was their right not to serve blacks or Jews.

They lost that fight.

Because here is the thing- a business still has to follow the law. A business can't for example ignore city sanitation rules by claiming that his religion doesn't allow him to sanitize his business.

What you're missing is all discrimination laws, except for faghadist, are based on genetics and not personal preferences or conduct. .

I keep hearing the Christofascists making that claim.

But of course that is just a stupid lie. Let us look at Phoenix's law again

Equal Opportunity Public Accommodations Discrimination
All people have the right to receive service, free from discrimination, from any business that obtains or solicits customers from the general public. It is against the law for any such business in Phoenix to discriminate against a person on the basis of:

• Age (not genetic)
  
• Sex (genetic)
  
• Race (genetic)
  
• Color (usually genetic)
  
• Religion (not genetic)
  
• Disability (usually not genetic)
  
• Marital status (not genetic)

• National origin (not genetic)

• Sexual orientation (unproven whether genetic or not)

• Gender identity or expression (usually not genetic

So no- all discrimination laws are not based upon genetics- which is why Christians can and have sued businesses for discrimination.

Of course Phoenix has contradictory laws don't they. Like you can't sell alcohol or cigarettes to minors. Mandated Age Discrimination, right? They also allow auto insurance companies to offer discounts to married people, isn't that discrimination based on marital status? Sex, Race, Color, Religion are constitutionally protected. There are all kind of State approve discrimination on disability, like they won't issue a drivers license to some who is blind, or won't hire someone for the fire department that can't physically or mentally perform the job. I could go on, but why?

 

[Syriusly]

Christism is a personal preference and conduct.

Why do Christofascists think that they should be excluded from obeying the law?

Can a law be a law if it contradicts the supreme law of the land? Where does the Constitutions say if you want to provide for your family you have to give up the freedom to exercise your religion as you see fit, or the right to chose who you associate with?

Well that is an interesting question isn't it?

Over 50 years ago, when the first such laws were passed, good Christian business owners felt it was their right not to serve blacks or Jews.

They lost that fight.

Because here is the thing- a business still has to follow the law. A business can't for example ignore city sanitation rules by claiming that his religion doesn't allow him to sanitize his business.

What you're missing is all discrimination laws, except for faghadist, are based on genetics and not personal preferences or conduct. .

I keep hearing the Christofascists making that claim.

But of course that is just a stupid lie. Let us look at Phoenix's law again

Equal Opportunity Public Accommodations Discrimination
All people have the right to receive service, free from discrimination, from any business that obtains or solicits customers from the general public. It is against the law for any such business in Phoenix to discriminate against a person on the basis of:

• Age (not genetic)
  
• Sex (genetic)
  
• Race (genetic)
  
• Color (usually genetic)
  
• Religion (not genetic)
  
• Disability (usually not genetic)
  
• Marital status (not genetic)

• National origin (not genetic)

• Sexual orientation (unproven whether genetic or not)

• Gender identity or expression (usually not genetic

So no- all discrimination laws are not based upon genetics- which is why Christians can and have sued businesses for discrimination.

Of course Phoenix has contradictory laws don't they. Like you can't sell alcohol or cigarettes to minors. Mandated Age Discrimination, right? They also allow auto insurance companies to offer discounts to married people, isn't that discrimination based on marital status? Sex, Race, Color, Religion are constitutionally protected. There are all kind of State approve discrimination on disability, like they won't issue a drivers license to some who is blind, or won't hire someone for the fire department that can't physically or mentally perform the job. I could go on, but why?

Thanks for your gracious admission that you were completely wrong about all of the anti-discrimination laws were based upon genetics. I had thought you might try to dance around and try to obscure your 'error' by bringing up tons of other crap.

Sex, race, color and religion are not constitutionally protected. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a business cannot discriminate as much as it wants.

I think you should go to Phoenix and raise your concerns about how unfair they are in not allowing blind drivers to drive.

Yes you could go on and on- buty why?

LOL

 

[OKTexas]

Here is what their business offers

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

Nothing on the 'menu' there about only selling to straight couples.

Show me one restaurant menu that tells you what they don't serve.

Why would i do that?

Here is what this business does:

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

That is their business- that is their menu.

If you go to their business and demand that they cook you a kosher meal- they can laugh you out of their shop- because they don't sell food.

But if you go into their shop and order wedding invitations- then by law they cannot refuse to sell you a wedding invitation because they don't approve of Jewish weddings.

More deflection, how appropriate.

More obfuscation. how typical.

The artist definition of marriage and weddings are aligned with the State Constitution, who the hell is Phoenix to contradict the State Constitution.

Arizona Proposition 102 was an amendment to the constitution of the state of Arizona adopted by a ballot measure held in 2008. It added Article 30 of the Arizona Constitution, which says:"Only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state.".

 

[OKTexas]

Can a law be a law if it contradicts the supreme law of the land? Where does the Constitutions say if you want to provide for your family you have to give up the freedom to exercise your religion as you see fit, or the right to chose who you associate with?

Well that is an interesting question isn't it?

Over 50 years ago, when the first such laws were passed, good Christian business owners felt it was their right not to serve blacks or Jews.

They lost that fight.

Because here is the thing- a business still has to follow the law. A business can't for example ignore city sanitation rules by claiming that his religion doesn't allow him to sanitize his business.

What you're missing is all discrimination laws, except for faghadist, are based on genetics and not personal preferences or conduct. .

I keep hearing the Christofascists making that claim.

But of course that is just a stupid lie. Let us look at Phoenix's law again

Equal Opportunity Public Accommodations Discrimination
All people have the right to receive service, free from discrimination, from any business that obtains or solicits customers from the general public. It is against the law for any such business in Phoenix to discriminate against a person on the basis of:

• Age (not genetic)
  
• Sex (genetic)
  
• Race (genetic)
  
• Color (usually genetic)
  
• Religion (not genetic)
  
• Disability (usually not genetic)
  
• Marital status (not genetic)

• National origin (not genetic)

• Sexual orientation (unproven whether genetic or not)

• Gender identity or expression (usually not genetic

So no- all discrimination laws are not based upon genetics- which is why Christians can and have sued businesses for discrimination.

Of course Phoenix has contradictory laws don't they. Like you can't sell alcohol or cigarettes to minors. Mandated Age Discrimination, right? They also allow auto insurance companies to offer discounts to married people, isn't that discrimination based on marital status? Sex, Race, Color, Religion are constitutionally protected. There are all kind of State approve discrimination on disability, like they won't issue a drivers license to some who is blind, or won't hire someone for the fire department that can't physically or mentally perform the job. I could go on, but why?

Thanks for your gracious admission that you were completely wrong about all of the anti-discrimination laws were based upon genetics. I had thought you might try to dance around and try to obscure your 'error' by bringing up tons of other crap.

Sex, race, color and religion are not constitutionally protected. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a business cannot discriminate as much as it wants.

I think you should go to Phoenix and raise your concerns about how unfair they are in not allowing blind drivers to drive.

Yes you could go on and on- buty why?

LOL

They are protected in the Constitution, just not related to business. The feds have no authority over intrastate business constitutionally.

 

[Syriusly]

Here is what their business offers

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

Nothing on the 'menu' there about only selling to straight couples.

Show me one restaurant menu that tells you what they don't serve.

Why would i do that?

Here is what this business does:

Brush & Nib Studio specializes in hand-painting, hand-lettering, and calligraphy for weddings, events, special occasions, business, home decor, and everyday moments. We offer custom and pre-made save-the-dates, wedding invitations, wedding invitation suites, wedding programs, vows, marriage certificates, place cards, escort cards, table numbers, menus, wood signs, glass signs, chalkboard signs, reception decor, party invitations, dinner invitations, birth announcements, graduation announcements, prints, custom cards, stationery, business cards, logos, letterheads, and more. Designs feature watercolor and acrylic art, leaves, florals, color washes, landscapes, classic calligraphy, modern calligraphy, and brush lettering. Fine papers, flat printing, letterpress, foiling, and thermography available.

That is their business- that is their menu.

If you go to their business and demand that they cook you a kosher meal- they can laugh you out of their shop- because they don't sell food.

But if you go into their shop and order wedding invitations- then by law they cannot refuse to sell you a wedding invitation because they don't approve of Jewish weddings.

More deflection, how appropriate.

More obfuscation. how typical.

The artist definition of marriage and weddings are aligned with the State Constitution, who the hell is Phoenix to contradict the State Constitution.

Arizona Proposition 102 was an amendment to the constitution of the state of Arizona adopted by a ballot measure held in 2008. It added Article 30 of the Arizona Constitution, which says:"Only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in this state.".

Of course the artists are not claiming that they are refusing to follow the law because of the Arizona Constitution, or the law overturned by Obergefell.

And yes, Arizona is still part of the United States.

 

[Syriusly]

Well that is an interesting question isn't it?

Over 50 years ago, when the first such laws were passed, good Christian business owners felt it was their right not to serve blacks or Jews.

They lost that fight.

Because here is the thing- a business still has to follow the law. A business can't for example ignore city sanitation rules by claiming that his religion doesn't allow him to sanitize his business.

What you're missing is all discrimination laws, except for faghadist, are based on genetics and not personal preferences or conduct. .

I keep hearing the Christofascists making that claim.

But of course that is just a stupid lie. Let us look at Phoenix's law again

Equal Opportunity Public Accommodations Discrimination
All people have the right to receive service, free from discrimination, from any business that obtains or solicits customers from the general public. It is against the law for any such business in Phoenix to discriminate against a person on the basis of:

• Age (not genetic)
  
• Sex (genetic)
  
• Race (genetic)
  
• Color (usually genetic)
  
• Religion (not genetic)
  
• Disability (usually not genetic)
  
• Marital status (not genetic)

• National origin (not genetic)

• Sexual orientation (unproven whether genetic or not)

• Gender identity or expression (usually not genetic

So no- all discrimination laws are not based upon genetics- which is why Christians can and have sued businesses for discrimination.

Of course Phoenix has contradictory laws don't they. Like you can't sell alcohol or cigarettes to minors. Mandated Age Discrimination, right? They also allow auto insurance companies to offer discounts to married people, isn't that discrimination based on marital status? Sex, Race, Color, Religion are constitutionally protected. There are all kind of State approve discrimination on disability, like they won't issue a drivers license to some who is blind, or won't hire someone for the fire department that can't physically or mentally perform the job. I could go on, but why?

Thanks for your gracious admission that you were completely wrong about all of the anti-discrimination laws were based upon genetics. I had thought you might try to dance around and try to obscure your 'error' by bringing up tons of other crap.

Sex, race, color and religion are not constitutionally protected. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a business cannot discriminate as much as it wants.

I think you should go to Phoenix and raise your concerns about how unfair they are in not allowing blind drivers to drive.

Yes you could go on and on- buty why?

LOL

They are protected in the Constitution, just not related to business. The feds have no authority over intrastate business constitutionally.

Well in this case, the Christofascists want to be able to exempt from local law that every other business is obligated to follow.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

As artists they should be able to say they didn't like the client's shoe size.

 

[OKTexas]

What you're missing is all discrimination laws, except for faghadist, are based on genetics and not personal preferences or conduct. .

I keep hearing the Christofascists making that claim.

But of course that is just a stupid lie. Let us look at Phoenix's law again

Equal Opportunity Public Accommodations Discrimination
All people have the right to receive service, free from discrimination, from any business that obtains or solicits customers from the general public. It is against the law for any such business in Phoenix to discriminate against a person on the basis of:

• Age (not genetic)
  
• Sex (genetic)
  
• Race (genetic)
  
• Color (usually genetic)
  
• Religion (not genetic)
  
• Disability (usually not genetic)
  
• Marital status (not genetic)

• National origin (not genetic)

• Sexual orientation (unproven whether genetic or not)

• Gender identity or expression (usually not genetic

So no- all discrimination laws are not based upon genetics- which is why Christians can and have sued businesses for discrimination.

Of course Phoenix has contradictory laws don't they. Like you can't sell alcohol or cigarettes to minors. Mandated Age Discrimination, right? They also allow auto insurance companies to offer discounts to married people, isn't that discrimination based on marital status? Sex, Race, Color, Religion are constitutionally protected. There are all kind of State approve discrimination on disability, like they won't issue a drivers license to some who is blind, or won't hire someone for the fire department that can't physically or mentally perform the job. I could go on, but why?

Thanks for your gracious admission that you were completely wrong about all of the anti-discrimination laws were based upon genetics. I had thought you might try to dance around and try to obscure your 'error' by bringing up tons of other crap.

Sex, race, color and religion are not constitutionally protected. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a business cannot discriminate as much as it wants.

I think you should go to Phoenix and raise your concerns about how unfair they are in not allowing blind drivers to drive.

Yes you could go on and on- buty why?

LOL

They are protected in the Constitution, just not related to business. The feds have no authority over intrastate business constitutionally.

Well in this case, the Christofascists want to be able to exempt from local law that every other business is obligated to follow.

No they aren't, name one muslim business charged for not catering to fags.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Where in the bible does it say one cannot print words on a piece of paper for gay people? Their business is NOT a religion

The bible states homosexuality is a sin, and the bible states Christians should not partake in, support, or encourage sinning. Obeying the teachings of their faith is exercising the freedom of their religion. Exercising their freedom affects how they do business.

Try passing a law outlawing Muslim women covering their heads or forbidding Muslims from using prayer rugs or Muslim store owners from stooping what they are doing while working to suddenly pray and see how that goes. No such demand would even be thought of no less imposed on Muslims.

The Bible does not say homosexual marriage is a sin.

Yes, it does.

First, Leviticus 18:22. The most obvious and direct condemnation of homosexuality in the Old Testament. That command remains unchanged throughout the entirety of the Bible.

Second, Leviticus 20:13. Homosexuality was originally a sin punishable by death. That was until Christ was crucified and resurrected which fulfilled the death penalty.

NOTE: In the Old Testament, the Mosaic Laws were divided into three categories. Priestly, Civil, and Moral. The Priestly laws dealt with the Aaronic and Levitical priesthoods and represented the coming priesthood of Jesus Christ, who willingly died on the cross. The Civil laws pertained to the theocratic nature of the Jewish nation in the Old Testament. That means those laws are no long applicable today. That dispenses with the argument that a Christian citing Leviticus to condemn homosexuality as a sin must also follow all the other laws in the Old Testament as well.

However, as seen in the two verses below, the Moral laws were never abolished in the New Testament. They represented the very character and nature of God himself. Since God is an unwavering, unflinching, and unchanging deity, his character never changes, and thus, the Moral laws cannot be abolished. The Civil and Priestly laws aren't reestablished in the New Testament, but the Moral laws are--for the reasons mentioned heretofore--except without the penalty of death.

Third, 1 Cor. 6:9-10. It mentions that homosexuals cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

Fourth, Romans 1:26-28. It refers to homosexual acts as unnatural, depraved and improper.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You don't get to decide what is or isn't moral and the government be damned. That's reality.

No I don't, but I san point out that the United States Constitution protects 'freedom of religion and the exercise thereof' from liberals who seek to control and enforce their will on Christians.

Religion seeks to impose it's will on others, why is that okay?

Because, it seems okay for someone to force their same sex way of life on the religious, whether through direct or indirect means.

Turnabout is fair play.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I keep hearing the Christofascists making that claim.

But of course that is just a stupid lie. Let us look at Phoenix's law again

Equal Opportunity Public Accommodations Discrimination
All people have the right to receive service, free from discrimination, from any business that obtains or solicits customers from the general public. It is against the law for any such business in Phoenix to discriminate against a person on the basis of:

• Age (not genetic)
  
• Sex (genetic)
  
• Race (genetic)
  
• Color (usually genetic)
  
• Religion (not genetic)
  
• Disability (usually not genetic)
  
• Marital status (not genetic)

• National origin (not genetic)

• Sexual orientation (unproven whether genetic or not)

• Gender identity or expression (usually not genetic

So no- all discrimination laws are not based upon genetics- which is why Christians can and have sued businesses for discrimination.

Of course Phoenix has contradictory laws don't they. Like you can't sell alcohol or cigarettes to minors. Mandated Age Discrimination, right? They also allow auto insurance companies to offer discounts to married people, isn't that discrimination based on marital status? Sex, Race, Color, Religion are constitutionally protected. There are all kind of State approve discrimination on disability, like they won't issue a drivers license to some who is blind, or won't hire someone for the fire department that can't physically or mentally perform the job. I could go on, but why?

Thanks for your gracious admission that you were completely wrong about all of the anti-discrimination laws were based upon genetics. I had thought you might try to dance around and try to obscure your 'error' by bringing up tons of other crap.

Sex, race, color and religion are not constitutionally protected. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a business cannot discriminate as much as it wants.

I think you should go to Phoenix and raise your concerns about how unfair they are in not allowing blind drivers to drive.

Yes you could go on and on- buty why?

LOL

They are protected in the Constitution, just not related to business. The feds have no authority over intrastate business constitutionally.

Well in this case, the Christofascists want to be able to exempt from local law that every other business is obligated to follow.

No they aren't, name one muslim business charged for not catering to fags.

...45 minutes later

*Crickets*

 

[kaz]

Your freedom of religion does not provide for legal COVER to break other laws.

Laws are required to be Constitutional. The Constitution states that we have the freedom of religion and the EXERCISE THEREOF....

Where did this peculiar dogma come from? Never before has the adminonition to avoid commerce with homosexuals been sent forth from the pulpit. These unfortunate people are wrapping themselves in a dogma to perpetuate the hatred in their hearts and calling it "Christianity".

You're obviously not a Christian. Again, you don't grasp that Christianity is a way to lead your life, it's not a tool to demand things from others and force them to do it your way. You don't understand the fundamental concept of Christianity

So...you get to determine whether someone is a christian or not?

Strawman. So you get to determine if someone is a racist, misogynist, homophobe, corporatist or not?

 

[kaz]

If you're in business, refusing to do business with someone based on their sexual orientation is not a protected constitutional right. (And at least in certain areas, that type of discrimination is illegal.)

It is not their sexual orientation but the practice of homosexuality, which is a sin, as per the bible.

You have the constitutional right to believe that. You don't have the right to force that belief on others who do not believe as you do, if you are doing business in a community that has laws against it.

It's not that we don't serve fat people we just don't want to encourage gluttony, it's a sin.

You people are so twisted. You are the only ones forcing people to do anything

Holey moley batman. I'm not the one claiming my belief in some supernatural creature entitles me to discriminate against gay people in my business.

That doesn't contradict what I said. Now who's a good dog, who's a good dog, yes, you're excited, I'm heaving the stick, good boy, bring it back!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Where in the bible does it say one cannot print words on a piece of paper for gay people? Their business is NOT a religion

The bible states homosexuality is a sin, and the bible states Christians should not partake in, support, or encourage sinning. Obeying the teachings of their faith is exercising the freedom of their religion. Exercising their freedom affects how they do business.

Try passing a law outlawing Muslim women covering their heads or forbidding Muslims from using prayer rugs or Muslim store owners from stooping what they are doing while working to suddenly pray and see how that goes. No such demand would even be thought of no less imposed on Muslims.

The Bible does not say homosexual marriage is a sin.

Yes, it does.

First, Leviticus 18:22. The most obvious and direct condemnation of homosexuality in the Old Testament. That command remains unchanged throughout the entirety of the Bible.

Second, Leviticus 20:13. Homosexuality was originally a sin punishable by death. That was until Christ was crucified and resurrected which fulfilled the death penalty.

NOTE: In the Old Testament, the Mosaic Laws were divided into three categories. Priestly, Civil, and Moral. The Priestly laws dealt with the Aaronic and Levitical priesthoods and represented the coming priesthood of Jesus Christ, who willingly died on the cross. The Civil laws pertained to the theocratic nature of the Jewish nation in the Old Testament. That means those laws are no long applicable today. That dispenses with the argument that a Christian citing Leviticus to condemn homosexuality as a sin must also follow all the other laws in the Old Testament as well.

However, as seen in the two verses below, the Moral laws were never abolished in the New Testament. They represented the very character and nature of God himself. Since God is an unwavering, unflinching, and unchanging deity, his character never changes, and thus, the Moral laws cannot be abolished. The Civil and Priestly laws aren't reestablished in the New Testament, but the Moral laws are--for the reasons mentioned heretofore--except without the penalty of death.

Third, 1 Cor. 6:9-10. It mentions that homosexuals cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

Fourth, Romans 1:26-28. It refers to homosexual acts as unnatural, depraved and improper.

The Bible also condemns sex outside of marriage. No mention of married gay sex.

There is also no ban in the Bible of merchants doing business with sinners of any sort.

There is also Jesus's admonition to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, which broadly interpreted means that one should obey the law.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I can't believe this is happening in AZ.

If someone attempted to destroy my business I'd be in the news also, but for entirely different reasons.

I guarantee they would NEVER fuck with me (or anyone else) again though.

Call them back and tell em we'd be glad to be of service...then lie in wait.

 

[kaz]

It is not their sexual orientation but the practice of homosexuality, which is a sin, as per the bible.

You have the constitutional right to believe that. You don't have the right to force that belief on others who do not believe as you do, if you are doing business in a community that has laws against it.

It's not that we don't serve fat people we just don't want to encourage gluttony, it's a sin.

You people are so twisted. You are the only ones forcing people to do anything

Holey moley batman. I'm not the one claiming my belief in some supernatural creature entitles me to discriminate against gay people in my business.

So how is this different from a Muslim restaurateur who refuses to serve me ham and eggs because of his religion?

Is "ham and eggs" on his menu? Ever?

Where did the artist say he serves queer weddings?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You don't get to decide what is or isn't moral and the government be damned. That's reality.

No I don't, but I san point out that the United States Constitution protects 'freedom of religion and the exercise thereof' from liberals who seek to control and enforce their will on Christians.

Religion seeks to impose it's will on others, why is that okay?

Because, it seems okay for someone to force their same sex way of life on the religious, whether through direct or indirect means.

Turnabout is fair play.

The Presbyterian Church now accepts same sex unions and gays in the clergy. Does that mean they are no longer Christian?

Does that mean they are no longer a religion?