Freedom of Religion? Christian Artists Face Jail Time For Not Making Same-Sex Wedding Invitations

[OKTexas]

You people are so twisted. You are the only ones forcing people to do anything

Holey moley batman. I'm not the one claiming my belief in some supernatural creature entitles me to discriminate against gay people in my business.

So how is this different from a Muslim restaurateur who refuses to serve me ham and eggs because of his religion?

Is "ham and eggs" on his menu? Ever?

Are faghadist invitations on the artist menu?

Try wedding invitations.

Try select wedding invitations. Just like restaurants offer a select menu.

 

[Syriusly]

You have the constitutional right to believe that. You don't have the right to force that belief on others who do not believe as you do, if you are doing business in a community that has laws against it.

It's not that we don't serve fat people we just don't want to encourage gluttony, it's a sin.

You people are so twisted. You are the only ones forcing people to do anything

Holey moley batman. I'm not the one claiming my belief in some supernatural creature entitles me to discriminate against gay people in my business.

So how is this different from a Muslim restaurateur who refuses to serve me ham and eggs because of his religion?

Does the Muslim restaurant owner normally serve ham at his restaurant?

The two women who are suing saying that as Christians they shouldn't have to follow the law do calligraphy for weddings- they are saying they shouldn't have to follow the law and provide wedding calligraphy regardless of of the customers race, religion or sexual orientation.

The restaurant owner who doesn't put ham on the menu, doesn't put ham on the menu. But he is not saying he won't serve you.

Your telling the artist they have to crate something from scratch they don't offer, no different from telling the restaurateur they have to create what I want that they don't offer.

Their website says that they will create custom wedding caligraphy for their customers.
Weddings


This is a particularly stupid stretch even for you Texas.

 

[Timmy]

If you're in business, refusing to do business with someone based on their sexual orientation is not a protected constitutional right. (And at least in certain areas, that type of discrimination is illegal.)

It is not their sexual orientation but the practice of homosexuality, which is a sin, as per the bible.

Were they having gay sex in the wedding card store !?

 

[Syriusly]

Syriusly, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Leviticus 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
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Thanks for proving me correct again. Nothing in the Bible says that a man marrying a man or a woman marrying a woman is an abomination.

Of course eating shrimp is an abomination also

Leviticus 11:10-19: “But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is an abomination to you. They shall remain an abomination to you; of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall have in abomination. Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is an abomination to you

So are Christians refusing to marry shrimpers? People who serve chilled shrimp cocktails at their weddings?

Remember- Leviticus is where you come up with your term of abomination- so I hope you are just as appalled by those people buying frozen shrimp in the market.

And heaven forbid you deal with people who burn incense:
Isaiah 1:13: Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me.

Wait- what is this? What is this artist wearing? Pants? Abomination

Deuteronomy 22:5: “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.”

What you won't find in the Bible though is anywhere that calls the marriage between two men or two women- an abomination.

 

[easyt65]

Syriusly, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Leviticus 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
e

Thanks for proving me correct again. Nothing in the Bible says that a man marrying a man or a woman marrying a woman is an abomination.

Of course eating shrimp is an abomination also

Leviticus 11:10-19: “But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is an abomination to you. They shall remain an abomination to you; of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall have in abomination. Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is an abomination to you

So are Christians refusing to marry shrimpers? People who serve chilled shrimp cocktails at their weddings?

Remember- Leviticus is where you come up with your term of abomination- so I hope you are just as appalled by those people buying frozen shrimp in the market.

And heaven forbid you deal with people who burn incense:
Isaiah 1:13: Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me.

Wait- what is this? What is this artist wearing? Pants? Abomination

Deuteronomy 22:5: “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.”

What you won't find in the Bible though is anywhere that calls the marriage between two men or two women- an abomination.

The bible calls homosexuality an abominaion, as scripture shows, but you are seriously aguing that God is ok with homosexials marrying?

Ok, our discussion is over because you just lost your damn mind and/or refuse to admit you're wrong.

Either way we have nothing more to discuss.

 

[OKTexas]

You people are so twisted. You are the only ones forcing people to do anything

Holey moley batman. I'm not the one claiming my belief in some supernatural creature entitles me to discriminate against gay people in my business.

So how is this different from a Muslim restaurateur who refuses to serve me ham and eggs because of his religion?

Does the Muslim restaurant owner normally serve ham at his restaurant?

The two women who are suing saying that as Christians they shouldn't have to follow the law do calligraphy for weddings- they are saying they shouldn't have to follow the law and provide wedding calligraphy regardless of of the customers race, religion or sexual orientation.

The restaurant owner who doesn't put ham on the menu, doesn't put ham on the menu. But he is not saying he won't serve you.

Your telling the artist they have to crate something from scratch they don't offer, no different from telling the restaurateur they have to create what I want that they don't offer.

Their website says that they will create custom wedding caligraphy for their customers.
Weddings


This is a particularly stupid stretch even for you Texas.

The restaurant says they'll feed me too, but if they don't offer what I want should I be able to sue them or should I go somewhere that offers what I want?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I wonder how many of these cases the RW homophobes will have to lose before they get the message.

 

[Syriusly]

Syriusly, do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Leviticus 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
e

Thanks for proving me correct again. Nothing in the Bible says that a man marrying a man or a woman marrying a woman is an abomination.

Of course eating shrimp is an abomination also

Leviticus 11:10-19: “But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is an abomination to you. They shall remain an abomination to you; of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall have in abomination. Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is an abomination to you

So are Christians refusing to marry shrimpers? People who serve chilled shrimp cocktails at their weddings?

Remember- Leviticus is where you come up with your term of abomination- so I hope you are just as appalled by those people buying frozen shrimp in the market.

And heaven forbid you deal with people who burn incense:
Isaiah 1:13: Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me.

Wait- what is this? What is this artist wearing? Pants? Abomination

Deuteronomy 22:5: “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God.”

What you won't find in the Bible though is anywhere that calls the marriage between two men or two women- an abomination.

The bible calls homosexuality an abominaion, as scripture shows, but you are seriously aguing that God is ok with homosexials marrying?

Ok, our discussion is over because you just lost your damn mind and/or refuse to admit you're wrong.

Either way we have nothing more to discuss.

Why am I not surprised that you run away when I confront you with the language of the Bible?

The Bible calls men having sex with each other an abomination- just like it calls women wearing pants an abomination.

The Bible nowhere says women having sex with each other is an abomination. The Bible nowhere says two men marrying each other is an abomination.

But the Bible does say that Donald Trump is committing adultery every day.

 

[Syriusly]

Holey moley batman. I'm not the one claiming my belief in some supernatural creature entitles me to discriminate against gay people in my business.

So how is this different from a Muslim restaurateur who refuses to serve me ham and eggs because of his religion?

Does the Muslim restaurant owner normally serve ham at his restaurant?

The two women who are suing saying that as Christians they shouldn't have to follow the law do calligraphy for weddings- they are saying they shouldn't have to follow the law and provide wedding calligraphy regardless of of the customers race, religion or sexual orientation.

The restaurant owner who doesn't put ham on the menu, doesn't put ham on the menu. But he is not saying he won't serve you.

Your telling the artist they have to crate something from scratch they don't offer, no different from telling the restaurateur they have to create what I want that they don't offer.

Their website says that they will create custom wedding caligraphy for their customers.
Weddings


This is a particularly stupid stretch even for you Texas.

The restaurant says they'll feed me too, but if they don't offer what I want should I be able to sue them or should I go somewhere that offers what I want?

If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a ham- you have gone to the wrong store.
If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a screwdriver because you are Jewish, you can either go to another hardware store, or you can file a complaint with the appropriate city or state agency.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I can't believe this is happening in AZ.

If someone attempted to destroy my business I'd be in the news also, but for entirely different reasons.

I guarantee they would NEVER fuck with me (or anyone else) again though.

You are such a rugged bad ass. So cool.

 

[easyt65]

I wonder how many of these cases the RW homophobes will have to lose before they get the message.

Says the guy whose party was exposed by the leaking of their own personal emails to be racist, sexist, homophobic anti-Semites.

 

[BlindBoo]

Holey moley batman. I'm not the one claiming my belief in some supernatural creature entitles me to discriminate against gay people in my business.

So how is this different from a Muslim restaurateur who refuses to serve me ham and eggs because of his religion?

Does the Muslim restaurant owner normally serve ham at his restaurant?

The two women who are suing saying that as Christians they shouldn't have to follow the law do calligraphy for weddings- they are saying they shouldn't have to follow the law and provide wedding calligraphy regardless of of the customers race, religion or sexual orientation.

The restaurant owner who doesn't put ham on the menu, doesn't put ham on the menu. But he is not saying he won't serve you.

Your telling the artist they have to crate something from scratch they don't offer, no different from telling the restaurateur they have to create what I want that they don't offer.

Their website says that they will create custom wedding caligraphy for their customers.
Weddings


This is a particularly stupid stretch even for you Texas.

The restaurant says they'll feed me too, but if they don't offer what I want should I be able to sue them or should I go somewhere that offers what I want?

It's like if you were in the restaurant and everybody was ordering ham and eggs off the menu and when the waitress took your order she said "We don't serve no Ham and Eggs to your kind, you're a Texxan! Get out of here!"

 

[OKTexas]

So how is this different from a Muslim restaurateur who refuses to serve me ham and eggs because of his religion?

Does the Muslim restaurant owner normally serve ham at his restaurant?

The two women who are suing saying that as Christians they shouldn't have to follow the law do calligraphy for weddings- they are saying they shouldn't have to follow the law and provide wedding calligraphy regardless of of the customers race, religion or sexual orientation.

The restaurant owner who doesn't put ham on the menu, doesn't put ham on the menu. But he is not saying he won't serve you.

Your telling the artist they have to crate something from scratch they don't offer, no different from telling the restaurateur they have to create what I want that they don't offer.

Their website says that they will create custom wedding caligraphy for their customers.
Weddings


This is a particularly stupid stretch even for you Texas.

The restaurant says they'll feed me too, but if they don't offer what I want should I be able to sue them or should I go somewhere that offers what I want?

If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a ham- you have gone to the wrong store.
If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a screwdriver because you are Jewish, you can either go to another hardware store, or you can file a complaint with the appropriate city or state agency.

What if I go to a hardware store and want a rotary hammer and they tell me they don't sell them because rotary hammers violate their religion.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I wonder how many of these cases the RW homophobes will have to lose before they get the message.

Says the guy whose party was exposed by the leaking of their own personal emails to be racist, sexist, homophobic anti-Semites.

I'm a registered independent. What are you referring to?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Does the Muslim restaurant owner normally serve ham at his restaurant?

The two women who are suing saying that as Christians they shouldn't have to follow the law do calligraphy for weddings- they are saying they shouldn't have to follow the law and provide wedding calligraphy regardless of of the customers race, religion or sexual orientation.

The restaurant owner who doesn't put ham on the menu, doesn't put ham on the menu. But he is not saying he won't serve you.

Your telling the artist they have to crate something from scratch they don't offer, no different from telling the restaurateur they have to create what I want that they don't offer.

Their website says that they will create custom wedding caligraphy for their customers.
Weddings


This is a particularly stupid stretch even for you Texas.

The restaurant says they'll feed me too, but if they don't offer what I want should I be able to sue them or should I go somewhere that offers what I want?

If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a ham- you have gone to the wrong store.
If you go to a hardware store and they refuse to sell you a screwdriver because you are Jewish, you can either go to another hardware store, or you can file a complaint with the appropriate city or state agency.

What if I go to a hardware store and want a rotary hammer and they tell me they don't sell them because rotary hammers violate their religion.

Not selling a product is different than refusing to sell a product to a black person that you sell to everyone else.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Again, lets say the country swings more liberal in years to come and suddenly pedophilia, bestiality, or necrophilia become legal....are liberals going to threaten Americans who do not want to engage, facilitate / enable / such activities if those engaging in these things declare they are offended by that refusal based on religious beliefs?!

Those things aren't liberal, asshole.

 

[LoneLaugher]

these so called Christian are doing the same thing

That's your opinion, but most Christians I know read and weigh the full context of God's teachings.

And maybe what is getting liberals, who are a great deal about CONTROL, is that they do not get to impose their will / religious belief on others, which - again - is WHY we have 'freedom of religion and the exercise thereof'!

YOU don't get to tell someone what is and what is not part of their religious faith / beliefs, what they can and can not believe in / live. It's not up to you!

Ah so it's OK for these people to be hypocrites and serve some sinners and not others

Sorry but that dog won't hunt.

Your opponents in this debate are about to move from Christian fundamentalism to full on libertarianism. They will tell you that they believe a business should be free to refuse service t OK anyone. America, dammit!

 

[LoneLaugher]

Why should these people be forced to print anything, for anyone, aganist their wishes?

It is the law. And....it's just.

 

[OKTexas]

So how is this different from a Muslim restaurateur who refuses to serve me ham and eggs because of his religion?

Does the Muslim restaurant owner normally serve ham at his restaurant?

The two women who are suing saying that as Christians they shouldn't have to follow the law do calligraphy for weddings- they are saying they shouldn't have to follow the law and provide wedding calligraphy regardless of of the customers race, religion or sexual orientation.

The restaurant owner who doesn't put ham on the menu, doesn't put ham on the menu. But he is not saying he won't serve you.

Your telling the artist they have to crate something from scratch they don't offer, no different from telling the restaurateur they have to create what I want that they don't offer.

Their website says that they will create custom wedding caligraphy for their customers.
Weddings


This is a particularly stupid stretch even for you Texas.

The restaurant says they'll feed me too, but if they don't offer what I want should I be able to sue them or should I go somewhere that offers what I want?

It's like if you were in the restaurant and everybody was ordering ham and eggs off the menu and when the waitress took your order she said "We don't serve no Ham and Eggs to your kind, you're a Texxan! Get out of here!"

What if they only offer beef sausage and I want pork sausage, can I sue them for not offering what I want? After all they do offer sausage.

 

[bodecea]

Does the Muslim restaurant owner normally serve ham at his restaurant?

The two women who are suing saying that as Christians they shouldn't have to follow the law do calligraphy for weddings- they are saying they shouldn't have to follow the law and provide wedding calligraphy regardless of of the customers race, religion or sexual orientation.

The restaurant owner who doesn't put ham on the menu, doesn't put ham on the menu. But he is not saying he won't serve you.

Your telling the artist they have to crate something from scratch they don't offer, no different from telling the restaurateur they have to create what I want that they don't offer.

Their website says that they will create custom wedding caligraphy for their customers.
Weddings


This is a particularly stupid stretch even for you Texas.

The restaurant says they'll feed me too, but if they don't offer what I want should I be able to sue them or should I go somewhere that offers what I want?

It's like if you were in the restaurant and everybody was ordering ham and eggs off the menu and when the waitress took your order she said "We don't serve no Ham and Eggs to your kind, you're a Texxan! Get out of here!"

What if they only offer beef sausage and I want pork sausage, can I sue them for not offering what I want? After all they do offer sausage.

"If they only offer beef sausage"....you just answered your own question.