French gun control...yeah...not so much...

[2aguy]

There are 8-9,000 gun murders a year in the United States....we have background checks, we have laws that state felons can't have guns.......it is a crime to carry a gun or own a gun if you are a felon...it is a crime to shoot people.....so how do you stop them? Considering it is already illegal several times over for these killers to have and use guns.....

We have INADEQUATE background checks and gun laws.

I used to live in a town where prostitution was illegal, but there were a dozen strip joints where you could have a "private dance' in the back room. The cops didn't enforce the laws, and there were groups that openly tried to get around them.

We have a gun industry that keeps the private sale and gun show loopholes open, gun shops that knowingly sell to straw buyers, and people who never, ever should have been allowed to buy a gun being able to get one.

Sorry...the only straw buyers they knowingly sell to work for Eric holder and Barak obama.....if someone goes into a gun store, passes a background check...they get the guns........gun control fails..........

 

[JoeB131]

What a crock......the background check system is never going to stop one bad guy from getting a gun, hasn't yet, still won't....the Sandy Hook killer murdered his mother who went through background checks....

Exactly, it means the checks were inadequate.

That's the point. A real background check would have said, "Wow, these people are fucking nutz!"

 

[2aguy]

There are over 320 million people in the United States...and only 8-9,000 gun murders a year on average. Not bad.

There are about 88 million homes with guns in them....and only 8-9,000 gun murders a year on average. Not bad.

there are over 11.1 million permitted gun carriers in the United States....and only 8-9,000 gun murders a year....not bad.

Gun murders are confined mostly to small, multiblock areas of inner cities...small how.....in a recent Yale study in Chicago...a city of 2,718,000 people, in a small area of 80,000 people there was a group of 1,600 people responsible for over 70% of the murders in the city....that small....

 

[JoeB131]

Sorry...the only straw buyers they knowingly sell to work for Eric holder and Barak obama.....if someone goes into a gun store, passes a background check...they get the guns........gun control fails..........

Guy, you keep trying to pretend the 10 guns that got out in Fast & Furious were a big deal and the quarter million guns the Cartels get every year from gun stores that set up right on the border for THAT EXACT PURPOSE have nothing to do with it.

You know what the most profitable gun stores in IL were. They were the ones that set up in Cicero, selling to gangbangers in Chicago.

 

[JoeB131]

Gun murders are confined mostly to small, multiblock areas of inner cities...small how.....in a recent Yale study in Chicago...a city of 2,718,000 people, in a small area of 80,000 people there was a group of 1,600 people responsible for over 70% of the murders in the city....that small....

I'd ask you for a link, but since I know the places your links come from, I won't bother.

 

[2aguy]

What a crock......the background check system is never going to stop one bad guy from getting a gun, hasn't yet, still won't....the Sandy Hook killer murdered his mother who went through background checks....

Exactly, it means the checks were inadequate.

That's the point. A real background check would have said, "Wow, these people are fucking nutz!"

How in the world do you get a background check like that? I know you live in a fantasy world....but they can't even stop prostitution in your town.......

In the real world....leave law abiding gun owners alone ....they help keep the crime rate down.....and put criminals who use guns in jail for decades, not years....and don't put them in "Boot Camps" for gun crimes....lock them up....that is how they do it in Japan.....

 

[2aguy]

Gun murders are confined mostly to small, multiblock areas of inner cities...small how.....in a recent Yale study in Chicago...a city of 2,718,000 people, in a small area of 80,000 people there was a group of 1,600 people responsible for over 70% of the murders in the city....that small....

I'd ask you for a link, but since I know the places your links come from, I won't bother.

Yeah....Yale is a real pro gun institution......

 

[2aguy]

Blog Who gets shot in Chicago

Sooooo...Chicago had an estimated population of 2,718,782....in 2013.....and from this study....

About 70 percent of the killings occurred in what Papachristos found was a social network of only about 1,600 people — out of a population of about 80,000 in those neighborhoods.
So 1600 people out of 2,718,782 commit 70% of all gun crime........in one small area of this city.....let alone who knows about the other gang infested tiny areas......

And the irrational, anti gunners think that guns are the problem.......who are the real nuts....?

 

[JoeB131]

Gun murders are confined mostly to small, multiblock areas of inner cities...small how.....in a recent Yale study in Chicago...a city of 2,718,000 people, in a small area of 80,000 people there was a group of 1,600 people responsible for over 70% of the murders in the city....that small....

I'd ask you for a link, but since I know the places your links come from, I won't bother.

Yeah....Yale is a real pro gun institution......

Yeah, until you post a like, you can claim a guy came down with stone tablet enscribed by God.

You are still trying to push the discredited Kleck study as valid.

 

[JoeB131]

Blog Who gets shot in Chicago

Sooooo...Chicago had an estimated population of 2,718,782....in 2013.....and from this study....

About 70 percent of the killings occurred in what Papachristos found was a social network of only about 1,600 people — out of a population of about 80,000 in those neighborhoods.
So 1600 people out of 2,718,782 commit 70% of all gun crime........in one small area of this city.....let alone who knows about the other gang infested tiny areas......

And the irrational, anti gunners think that guns are the problem.......who are the real nuts....?

A, a BLOG on the American Thinker.

Okay, it wasn't like I had any expectation you'd produce a real, peer-reviewed study of the issue.

 

[2aguy]

Sorry...the only straw buyers they knowingly sell to work for Eric holder and Barak obama.....if someone goes into a gun store, passes a background check...they get the guns........gun control fails..........

Guy, you keep trying to pretend the 10 guns that got out in Fast & Furious were a big deal and the quarter million guns the Cartels get every year from gun stores that set up right on the border for THAT EXACT PURPOSE have nothing to do with it.

You know what the most profitable gun stores in IL were. They were the ones that set up in Cicero, selling to gangbangers in Chicago.

It was thousands of guns through fast and furious...and gun dealers on the border knew they were crimnals and didn't want to sell them....but eric holder and the ATF made them sell them.....read up on the subject how about.......and most of the guns in Mexico come from Europe and China, not the United States......

You know what the most profitable gun stores in IL were. They were the ones that set up in Cicero, selling to gangbangers in Chicago

No...they were gun stores selling to people who passed your background checks...who then sold them illegally to gangs....again....background checks are stupid and obviously do not work......

 

[2aguy]

Blog Who gets shot in Chicago

Sooooo...Chicago had an estimated population of 2,718,782....in 2013.....and from this study....

About 70 percent of the killings occurred in what Papachristos found was a social network of only about 1,600 people — out of a population of about 80,000 in those neighborhoods.
So 1600 people out of 2,718,782 commit 70% of all gun crime........in one small area of this city.....let alone who knows about the other gang infested tiny areas......

And the irrational, anti gunners think that guns are the problem.......who are the real nuts....?

A, a BLOG on the American Thinker.

Okay, it wasn't like I had any expectation you'd produce a real, peer-reviewed study of the issue.

Moron.....they link to the Yale study....dipstick.....

 

[2aguy]

Gun murders are confined mostly to small, multiblock areas of inner cities...small how.....in a recent Yale study in Chicago...a city of 2,718,000 people, in a small area of 80,000 people there was a group of 1,600 people responsible for over 70% of the murders in the city....that small....

I'd ask you for a link, but since I know the places your links come from, I won't bother.

Yeah....Yale is a real pro gun institution......

Yeah, until you post a like, you can claim a guy came down with stone tablet enscribed by God.

You are still trying to push the discredited Kleck study as valid.

Yeah, Kleck study and the other 19 are valid......

 

[2aguy]

Again...Kleck's study is the most accurate...but it isn't the only one.........

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717
DMIa 1978...2,141,512
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68
Kleck...2.5 million
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409
Hart...1981...1.797,461
Mauser...1990...1,487,342
Gallup...1993...1,621,377
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
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Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..



NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey)....108,000


Notice, the 3 different groupings of stats from the research listed so far.....not one of them approaches the NCVS number of 100,000....

 

[2aguy]

What the anti gun Yale University study found....

The latest Yale University study was built on Papachristos’ previous social-network research into murders on the West Side. He had studied killings between 2005 and 2010 in West Garfield Park and North Lawndale. About 70 percent of the killings occurred in what Papachristos found was a social network of only about 1,600 people — out of a population of about 80,000 in those neighborhoods. Inside that social network, the risk of being killed was 30 out of 1,000. For the others in those neighborhoods, the risk of getting murdered was less than one in 1,000.

Read more: Blog Who gets shot in Chicago
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[2aguy]

Blog Who gets shot in Chicago

Sooooo...Chicago had an estimated population of 2,718,782....in 2013.....and from this study....

About 70 percent of the killings occurred in what Papachristos found was a social network of only about 1,600 people — out of a population of about 80,000 in those neighborhoods.
So 1600 people out of 2,718,782 commit 70% of all gun crime........in one small area of this city.....let alone who knows about the other gang infested tiny areas......

And the irrational, anti gunners think that guns are the problem.......who are the real nuts....?

A, a BLOG on the American Thinker.

Okay, it wasn't like I had any expectation you'd produce a real, peer-reviewed study of the issue.

Again....from the link at the American Thinker to the CHICAGO SUN TIMES article on the Yale university study.....dipstick....

New study shows likelihood of being shot in Chicago Chicago


Papachristos — an associate professor of sociology at Yale and a former Chicagoan with an expertise in gangs — said his study found that exposure to gunshot victims also increases one’s odds of becoming a shooting victim.

And as was previously known, race was a key risk factor in getting shot, the study noted. For every 100,000 people, an average of one white person, 28 Hispanics and 113 blacks became victims of nonfatal shootings every year in Chicago over the six-year study period.

But Papachristos and his team sought to go beyond a racial explanation for nonfatal shootings. They were trying to explain why a specific young African-American male in a high-crime neighborhood becomes a shooting victim, while another young black man in the same neighborhood doesn’t, the study said.

Such social network analysis allows the manpower-strapped Chicago Police Department to “discern who’s at risk rather than casting the net really wide,” he said.

The latest Yale University study was built on Papachristos’ previous social-network research into murders on the West Side. He had studied killings between 2005 and 2010 in West Garfield Park and North Lawndale. About 70 percent of the killings occurred in what Papachristos found was a social network of only about 1,600 people — out of a population of about 80,000 in those neighborhoods. Inside that social network, the risk of being killed was 30 out of 1,000. For the others in those neighborhoods, the risk of getting murdered was less than one in 1,000.

Papachristos said his team has been doing similar social network research in Boston; Cincinnati; Newark; New Haven, Conn.; East Palo Alto, Calif.; Stockton, Calif.; and other cities.

“You are also seeing a clustering of victims in small networks there,” he said. “We’re seeing a pattern.”

If you want to stop gun murders...as oppose to all the other murders.......which you guys don't seem to mind so much....then deal with inner city gangs......not "Joe and Jane" from the suburbs......


Sooooo....out of a population in Chicago of 2,718, 782 you have 1,600 people committing 70% of all the murders............stop them.....not me and other law abiding gun owners.......

 

[JoeB131]

It was thousands of guns through fast and furious...and gun dealers on the border knew they were crimnals and didn't want to sell them....but eric holder and the ATF made them sell them.....read up on the subject how about.......and most of the guns in Mexico come from Europe and China, not the United States......

Okay, you got all the NRA talking points down pat... but it's bullshit. only 2000 guns were involved in the tracking program, of which they only lost track of a few hundred. 250,000 guns a year cross the border.

 

[JoeB131]

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Again....from the link at the American Thinker to the CHICAGO SUN TIMES article on the Yale university study.....dipstick....



If you want to stop gun murders...as oppose to all the other murders.......which you guys don't seem to mind so much....then deal with inner city gangs......not "Joe and Jane" from the suburbs......


Sooooo....out of a population in Chicago of 2,718, 782 you have 1,600 people committing 70% of all the murders............stop them.....not me and other law abiding gun owners.......

But that's NOT what the article said.

The article reviewed shootings in ONE NEIGHBORHOOD. Not the entire city.

The latest Yale University study was built on Papachristos’ previous social-network research into murders on the West Side. He had studied killings between 2005 and 2010 in West Garfield Park and North Lawndale. About 70 percent of the killings occurred in what Papachristos found was a social network of only about 1,600 people — out of a population of about 80,000 in those neighborhoods. Inside that social network, the risk of being killed was 30 out of 1,000. For the others in those neighborhoods, the risk of getting murdered was less than one in 1,000.

so it isn't what you or the "American Non-Thinker" presented it as.

 

[Brain357]

France had 278 gun murders in 2011.

America had 11,101.

How many accidental shootings? I bet we have them beat there too.

 

[Brain357]

Again...Kleck's study is the most accurate...but it isn't the only one.........

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717
DMIa 1978...2,141,512
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68
Kleck...2.5 million
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409
Hart...1981...1.797,461
Mauser...1990...1,487,342
Gallup...1993...1,621,377
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
-------------------------------------------
Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..



NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey)....108,000


Notice, the 3 different groupings of stats from the research listed so far.....not one of them approaches the NCVS number of 100,000....

Kleck also says most defenders are involved in criminal activity.