Old Rocks
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Doggone EV's won't run in the cold, right?
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If it gets that cold on the Texas coast, I'm not going anywhere anyway.
No one said they wouldn't run in cold weather. But their driving range per charge will be greatly reduced. ....Doggone EV's won't run in the cold, right?
Doggone EV's won't run in the cold, right?
Doggone EV's won't run in the cold, right?
Battery power to run cars is over 200 year old technology. We need to advance, not go backwards. .....Yes, the range does go down with temperature. Yet, now we have a semi with 500 miles range with a full load, and a roadster with 620 mile range. How long before the other models feature similar ranges? And how long after that before we get another jump in range? And at some point, the reduction in range from cold will no longer matter. Then there is the matter of being independent from the oil companies. You can make your own fuel. And provide energy for your home at the same time. In my lifetime, I expect to see most of the vehicles being made to be EV's.
Yes, the range does go down with temperature. Yet, now we have a semi with 500 miles range with a full load, and a roadster with 620 mile range. How long before the other models feature similar ranges? And how long after that before we get another jump in range? And at some point, the reduction in range from cold will no longer matter. Then there is the matter of being independent from the oil companies. You can make your own fuel. And provide energy for your home at the same time. In my lifetime, I expect to see most of the vehicles being made to be EV's.
And forget about running the heater.Doggone EV's won't run in the cold, right?
It's not a problem to run EV, but the question is how much the distance can be reduced which can be traveled by the battery without recharging.
You can run the heater, but it's electric and runs off the batteries. Which further reduces the driving range of the car. ...And forget about running the heater.
From my point of view, you exaggerate and slightly distort the facts. "Dependence" on oil companies will change to "dependence" on "lithium" companies, and we will always be "dependent" on some companies.Then there is the matter of being independent from the oil companies.
But for this you have to pay more than if you were "dependent" on the oil companies.You can make your own fuel. And provide energy for your home at the same time.
Perhaps if the technical revolution in the field of energy and batteries happens in our lifetimeIn my lifetime, I expect to see most of the vehicles being made to be EV's.
Some strides being made as we post on sodium batteries. As far as being dependent on 'some companies', these are occasional purchases, versus the every week purchase of fuel. And, depending where you are at, if you do much of the work yourself, solar can pay off in as little as thee years.From my point of view, you exaggerate and slightly distort the facts. "Dependence" on oil companies will change to "dependence" on "lithium" companies, and we will always be "dependent" on some companies.Then there is the matter of being independent from the oil companies.
But for this you have to pay more than if you were "dependent" on the oil companies.You can make your own fuel. And provide energy for your home at the same time.
Perhaps if the technical revolution in the field of energy and batteries happens in our lifetimeIn my lifetime, I expect to see most of the vehicles being made to be EV's.
I read about sodium batteries in 2013 http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja406016jI
Some strides being made as we post on sodium batteries.
As far as being dependent on 'some companies', these are occasional purchases, versus the every week purchase of fuel.
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I find it amusing that you would say a technical revolution in energy and batteries in our lifetime. I was born in 1943, I have seen a technical revolution in those fields in my lifetime. And expect to live to see another, at the pace they are innovating in this field at present.
That the EV industry depends on subsidies is something I find laughable. A top end Tesla S, a P100D will run you up to $160,000. They are not buying that car because they get a $7,500 subsidy. They are buying it because it is one of the fastest cars in the world, And it is made right here in America. And it is the cutting edge technology. They will not buy a Tesla Roadster 2.0 because of a $7,500 subsidy, they will buy it because it is the fastest production car in the world, and costs 1/2 to 1/10 of the cost of it's closest ICE competition.
LOL The Prius is a hybrid, has a gas engine. And many cars have a problem starting in very cold weather. Simple solution, put a small heater or lamp in the engine compartment when it is that cold.Friends who lived in Fairbanks (Alaska, liberals) bought an early Pious or whatever they're called. It ran at -40 degrees far enough to get the kids to school. Back, too.....but ONLY if Mom did NOT run the electric heater. OK, so only 12 miles....but with the heater on it quit moving at 10 miles...two miles short of getting her home on the backhaul. She adapted. Then the family moved to Iowa where it's a little warmer. Dunno how far it would have run had she never used the heater - none of the places she routinely went were more than about 20 miles from home and she didn't go to any of them once the temp went below -5. Just out of a sense of caution and self-preservation.
The Roadster is a toy, albeit an inexpensive ones by the standards of supercars. The S is a luxury sedan, no different than the BMW's and Mercedes that I see daily on the road. The Tesla 3 is a high end small car, and would sell well without the subsidy.That the EV industry depends on subsidies is something I find laughable. A top end Tesla S, a P100D will run you up to $160,000. They are not buying that car because they get a $7,500 subsidy. They are buying it because it is one of the fastest cars in the world, And it is made right here in America. And it is the cutting edge technology. They will not buy a Tesla Roadster 2.0 because of a $7,500 subsidy, they will buy it because it is the fastest production car in the world, and costs 1/2 to 1/10 of the cost of it's closest ICE competition.
Tesla S and Tesla Roadster are not interesting, because they are expensive "toys" for a very narrow market. But look at Tesla3 and subsidies of $ 7,500 look very attractive, and for example in Norvia spent $ 5 billion of subsidies to support EV
I hope so, and I hope that the price for Tesla 3 will decrease. But if we reason logically Tesla 3 for $ 35,000 - $ 45 000 (top spec) this is not a good deal, of course, it depends on the country, but, for example, Toyota Camry starts from $ 23 000 to $ 36 000(top spec) I see several disadvantages in terms of buying Tesla 3:[The Tesla 3 is a high end small car, and would sell well without the subsidy..