Gaza army

[Billo_Really]

It's debatable. You're just on the short end of any ability to compose coherent sentences.

That's a moot point, because you don't respond to any.

 

[Hollie]

It's debatable. You're just on the short end of any ability to compose coherent sentences.

That's a moot point, because you don't respond to any.

You do better with short, pointless commentary.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Jewish acquired the territory most legally.

Indeed, Israel trying to back door borders on land that it has never legally acquired.

(PREVIOUS POSTING)

As stated previously in Posting #121:

(REFERENCES)

• Israel Declaration of Independence
• Israeli Declaration to Append the Application to the United Nations
• Application of Israel for admission to membership in the United Nations (A/818)
• Favorable Recommendation of the application of Israel for membership in the United Nations, by the UN Security Council
• 273 (III). Admission of Israel to membership in the United Nations
• Peace Treaty between The Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt and the Government of the State of Israel
• Treaty of Peace between the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the State of Israel

(COMMENT)

I can demonstrate quite easily that Israel is a "state:"

• Established under its right to self-determination under the UN guidance proved in the Steps Preparatory to Independence found in General Assembly 181(II).
• Wherein the UN made an official and world-wide public press announcement that the GA/RES/181(II) was implemented.
• Where by the State of Israel made application for FULL membership to the UN.
• Where by the UN Security Council recommended the admission to the UN.
• Where by the General Assembly accepted the State of Israel as a FULL member.

(COMMENT)

There are a number of ways under international law, to acquire sovereignty, that we previously discussed in Posting #685, Thread "the-humanitarian-gaza-flotillas-saga":

1 Occupation
2 Annexation
3 Accretion
4 Cession
5 Prescription
​

SOURCES: (Oddly enough, the first two posted by Arab Nationals)

• Territorial Acquisition, Disputes, and International Law, By Surya Prakash Sharm, Chapter II Tradition Modalities of Acquisition (Page 36), The Acquisition of Territory under International Law
• Acquisition of Territorial Sovereignty, Posted 24th November 2012 by abdul qadir
• Sub-SOURCE: Acquisition of sovereignty From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Territorial transfers is a sub category of "Cession," as is self-determination. Transfer is not, by any means, the only way to acquire sovereign territory. In the case of Israel, the Jewish People used the means of self-determination; augmented by "Prescription" when the Arab League Forces attempted to invade and take by force the sovereign State of Israel. The Arab League Forces, lost ground to the Israeli defenders and the original territory allocated for the Jewish State expanded.

While there are many pro-Palestinians that, to this day think, the territory now under sovereign control of the Israelis was not lawfully acquired, that has never been successfully challenged.

An important ingredient of sovereignty is territoriality, the extension of actual physical control. Territoriality is a principle by which members of a community define themselves. The Israelis define themselves by the territory they manage to establish and hold control over. It specifies that their citizenship derives from their residence within borders they control without regard to the objection of adjacent Arab Countries that attempted to eject them as a means of external interference to the right of self-determination. It is a powerful principle, for it defines membership in a way that may not correspond with identity. The borders of a sovereign state may not at all circumscribe a “people” or a “nation,” and may in fact encompass several of these identities, as national self-determination and irredentist movements make evident. It is rather by simple virtue of their location within geographic borders that people belong to a state and fall under the authority of its ruler. It is within a geographic territory that modern sovereigns are supremely authoritative.

Most Respectfully,
R

So, which one of these five methods do you believe is applicable?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You have to go back to Posting #165 and read it. I even highlighted the applicable phrase.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Read it again!!!!

4. The situations referred to in the preceding paragraph include armed conflicts in which peoples are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist régimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.​

Thank you for proving my point.

(COMMENT)

It applies to an International Conflict --- and NOT a non-international conflict.

It counters your point.

Most Respectfully,
R

How so?

(COMMENT)

Protocol I deals with "International Conflicts" that include:

• colonial domination and
• alien occupation
• right of self-determination,

Protocol II deals with "Non-international Conflicts" that do not include these issues.

I have embedded the links (in blue) in that post. You may read it at your leisure.

Most Respectfully,
R

Those are dead links so I can't determine what you are saying.

 

[Roudy]

No backpedal. Just giving you the facts. The Golan being a spoil of war suggests no occupation. The West Bank is disputed territory.

Obviously your definition of occupation differs when applied to Islamic terrorists.

The Golan being a spoil of war suggests no occupation

Oh dear, someone's forgotten that land can no longer be taken as "spoils of war", whether or not the war was "aggressive" or "defensive". The Golan is occupied by the Zionists who are attempting to seed colonies there and illegally annexed; not even America recognises the Golan as part of the Zionist "Greater Israel" project. The West bank is no longer disputed. Jordan gave up any claim in favour of the Palestinians. It's now Occupied Palestine.

syria withdrew from the golan during the war. UN has a buffer zone between syria and Israel. Israel went as far as the outskirts of Damascus and did not keep all that land. The highland is their protection zone. If Israel has really wanted they could have taken Damascus and much more, but they left that for syria.
Israel did not keep southern Lebanon but handed that back each time.
In an agreement with Egypt they returned the sinai as part of a peace deal. Israel had gone as far as the canal and nearly to cairo. If Israel was really this land gab demon, why aren't they in at least half or what we know of as syria, lebanon and still in the sinai?
Israel still control area c of the WB. the other two have been turned over the to PA. Israel withdrew from gaza.

Yes, so Israel is occupying territory that doesn't belong to them...

Thanks for the confirmation...

So who's territory is Israel "occupying"? The British or the Ottomans? LOL

NOT ISRAEL'S... Thats for sure!

Unless you want to argue with the rest of the world, ICJ, UN, Supreme Court of Israel...

End up looking like one of your comrades... A beaten, broken mess because they tried to argue against a wall of fact!

I asked you a simple question. You Pali Nazi supporters keep braying that Israel is "occupying", so who's land was it that Israel occupied / captured / conquered at the time?

 

[Roudy]

Oh dear, someone's forgotten that land can no longer be taken as "spoils of war", whether or not the war was "aggressive" or "defensive". The Golan is occupied by the Zionists who are attempting to seed colonies there and illegally annexed; not even America recognises the Golan as part of the Zionist "Greater Israel" project. The West bank is no longer disputed. Jordan gave up any claim in favour of the Palestinians. It's now Occupied Palestine.

syria withdrew from the golan during the war. UN has a buffer zone between syria and Israel. Israel went as far as the outskirts of Damascus and did not keep all that land. The highland is their protection zone. If Israel has really wanted they could have taken Damascus and much more, but they left that for syria.
Israel did not keep southern Lebanon but handed that back each time.
In an agreement with Egypt they returned the sinai as part of a peace deal. Israel had gone as far as the canal and nearly to cairo. If Israel was really this land gab demon, why aren't they in at least half or what we know of as syria, lebanon and still in the sinai?
Israel still control area c of the WB. the other two have been turned over the to PA. Israel withdrew from gaza.

Yes, so Israel is occupying territory that doesn't belong to them...

Thanks for the confirmation...

So who's territory is Israel "occupying"? The British or the Ottomans? LOL

NOT ISRAEL'S... Thats for sure!

Unless you want to argue with the rest of the world, ICJ, UN, Supreme Court of Israel...

End up looking like one of your comrades... A beaten, broken mess because they tried to argue against a wall of fact!

A wall of your invented "facts".

It seems to be a right of passage for you Islamo-converts to see how loudly and obnoxiously you can pronounce your Joooooo hatreds to show your new-found moslem'ness.

What a pathetic joke.

I asked him her it "who's land was it that Israel occupied" and the response was "not Israel's!". In other words he she it doesn't want to face the wall of facts. LOL.

 

[Daniyel]

You mean Hamas or Fatah?
Hamas official we were behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers World news The Guardian

You're going to believe a disgruntled, ex-Hamas official?

This story has already been debunked many times over.

The 3 teens were killed by the Mossad.

Mashal Hamas was behind murder of three Israeli teens - Israel News Ynetnews
Hamas official admits group murdered 3 Israeli teens RT News
Hamas Admits To Kidnapping And Killing Israeli Teens NPR
Mashaal admits Hamas members killed Israeli teens The Times of Israel
Claim that Hamas killed 3 teens is turning out to be the WMD of Gaza onslaught Mondoweiss
Hamas official we were behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers World news The Guardian
Israeli forces kill two Hamas members suspected in kidnapping killing of 3 teens - The Washington Post
Hamas claims responsibility for three Israeli teens kidnapping and murder - - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
The Jerusalem Post
Hamas admits kidnapping 3 Israeli teens in West Bank - CBS News
Israel-Gaza conflict Hamas official admits military wing was behind kidnapping of teenagers - Middle East - World - The Independent
Gaza War Hamas Admits Kidnapping Three Israeli Teens - NBC News
Netanyahu Hamas Will Pay For The Killing Of 3 Israeli Teens - Business Insider


Not only multiple Hamas officials claimed responsibility but Hamas didn't even tried to disprove those claims.

You might also be able to also explain why?

 

[Roudy]

there can never be peace with Hamas animals:

 

[Humanity]

syria withdrew from the golan during the war. UN has a buffer zone between syria and Israel. Israel went as far as the outskirts of Damascus and did not keep all that land. The highland is their protection zone. If Israel has really wanted they could have taken Damascus and much more, but they left that for syria.
Israel did not keep southern Lebanon but handed that back each time.
In an agreement with Egypt they returned the sinai as part of a peace deal. Israel had gone as far as the canal and nearly to cairo. If Israel was really this land gab demon, why aren't they in at least half or what we know of as syria, lebanon and still in the sinai?
Israel still control area c of the WB. the other two have been turned over the to PA. Israel withdrew from gaza.

Yes, so Israel is occupying territory that doesn't belong to them...

Thanks for the confirmation...

So who's territory is Israel "occupying"? The British or the Ottomans? LOL

NOT ISRAEL'S... Thats for sure!

Unless you want to argue with the rest of the world, ICJ, UN, Supreme Court of Israel...

End up looking like one of your comrades... A beaten, broken mess because they tried to argue against a wall of fact!

A wall of your invented "facts".

It seems to be a right of passage for you Islamo-converts to see how loudly and obnoxiously you can pronounce your Joooooo hatreds to show your new-found moslem'ness.

What a pathetic joke.

I asked him her it "who's land was it that Israel occupied" and the response was "not Israel's!". In other words he she it doesn't want to face the wall of facts. LOL.

Here endeth the 'debate' on occupied territory...

If you two numbskulls still believe there is no occupation you need to seek some serious psychiatric help!

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?pr=71&code=mwp&p1=3&p2=4&p3=6
https://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/review/2012/irrc-885-kretzmer.pdf

 

[Hollie]

Yes, so Israel is occupying territory that doesn't belong to them...

Thanks for the confirmation...

So who's territory is Israel "occupying"? The British or the Ottomans? LOL

NOT ISRAEL'S... Thats for sure!

Unless you want to argue with the rest of the world, ICJ, UN, Supreme Court of Israel...

End up looking like one of your comrades... A beaten, broken mess because they tried to argue against a wall of fact!

A wall of your invented "facts".

It seems to be a right of passage for you Islamo-converts to see how loudly and obnoxiously you can pronounce your Joooooo hatreds to show your new-found moslem'ness.

What a pathetic joke.

I asked him her it "who's land was it that Israel occupied" and the response was "not Israel's!". In other words he she it doesn't want to face the wall of facts. LOL.

Here endeth the 'debate' on occupied territory...

If you two numbskulls still believe there is no occupation you need to seek some serious psychiatric help!

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?pr=71&code=mwp&p1=3&p2=4&p3=6
https://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/review/2012/irrc-885-kretzmer.pdf

So silly. This is the same UN you Islamo-converts use to claim that the Israelis are oppressors of Pali women.

What a bunch of whiners.

 

[Billo_Really]

I asked him her it "who's land was it that Israel occupied" and the response was "not Israel's!". In other words he she it doesn't want to face the wall of facts. LOL.

The definition of an "occupation", is occupying land you have no clear title to.

So it doesn't matter who's land it is, it only matters that it is "not Israel's".

 

[Billo_Really]

So silly. This is the same UN you Islamo-converts use to claim that the Israelis are oppressors of Pali women.

What a bunch of whiners.

There isn't a single country on the planet that agrees with you.

 

[Hollie]

So silly. This is the same UN you Islamo-converts use to claim that the Israelis are oppressors of Pali women.

What a bunch of whiners.

There isn't a single country on the planet that agrees with you.

There's not a single, useless slogan you won't use to press your rabid Jooooooo hatreds...... Shortstop.

 

[Billo_Really]

Mashal Hamas was behind murder of three Israeli teens - Israel News Ynetnews
Hamas official admits group murdered 3 Israeli teens RT News
Hamas Admits To Kidnapping And Killing Israeli Teens NPR
Mashaal admits Hamas members killed Israeli teens The Times of Israel
Claim that Hamas killed 3 teens is turning out to be the WMD of Gaza onslaught Mondoweiss
Hamas official we were behind the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers World news The Guardian
Israeli forces kill two Hamas members suspected in kidnapping killing of 3 teens - The Washington Post
Hamas claims responsibility for three Israeli teens kidnapping and murder - - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
The Jerusalem Post
Hamas admits kidnapping 3 Israeli teens in West Bank - CBS News
Israel-Gaza conflict Hamas official admits military wing was behind kidnapping of teenagers - Middle East - World - The Independent
Gaza War Hamas Admits Kidnapping Three Israeli Teens - NBC News
Netanyahu Hamas Will Pay For The Killing Of 3 Israeli Teens - Business Insider


Not only multiple Hamas officials claimed responsibility but Hamas didn't even tried to disprove those claims.

You might also be able to also explain why?

Dude, that's the same story over and over. And it's all based on the testimony of someone the Israeli's tortured during interrogations.

 

[Hollie]

I asked him her it "who's land was it that Israel occupied" and the response was "not Israel's!". In other words he she it doesn't want to face the wall of facts. LOL.

The definition of an "occupation", is occupying land you have no clear title to.

So it doesn't matter who's land it is, it only matters that it is "not Israel's".

I'll correct your short sighted ability at coherent commentary: The land is not Islamic terrorists'

 

[Humanity]

So who's territory is Israel "occupying"? The British or the Ottomans? LOL

NOT ISRAEL'S... Thats for sure!

Unless you want to argue with the rest of the world, ICJ, UN, Supreme Court of Israel...

End up looking like one of your comrades... A beaten, broken mess because they tried to argue against a wall of fact!

A wall of your invented "facts".

It seems to be a right of passage for you Islamo-converts to see how loudly and obnoxiously you can pronounce your Joooooo hatreds to show your new-found moslem'ness.

What a pathetic joke.

I asked him her it "who's land was it that Israel occupied" and the response was "not Israel's!". In other words he she it doesn't want to face the wall of facts. LOL.

Here endeth the 'debate' on occupied territory...

If you two numbskulls still believe there is no occupation you need to seek some serious psychiatric help!

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?pr=71&code=mwp&p1=3&p2=4&p3=6
https://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/review/2012/irrc-885-kretzmer.pdf

So silly. This is the same UN you Islamo-converts use to claim that the Israelis are oppressors of Pali women.

What a bunch of whiners.

If you bothered to read the links...

International Court of Justice
Supreme Court of Israel

No UN in sight!

Why would there be a "claim" that Israel is an oppressor?

No claim required... It's been proven!

 

[Humanity]

I asked him her it "who's land was it that Israel occupied" and the response was "not Israel's!". In other words he she it doesn't want to face the wall of facts. LOL.

The definition of an "occupation", is occupying land you have no clear title to.

So it doesn't matter who's land it is, it only matters that it is "not Israel's".

I'll correct your short sighted ability at coherent commentary: The land is not Islamic terrorists'

Correct. It's land given to Palestinians!

 

[Billo_Really]

There's not a single, useless slogan you won't use to press your rabid Jooooooo hatreds...... Shortstop.

That's not a slogan, it's a fact.

And why would I hate Jews?

 

[Hollie]

NOT ISRAEL'S... Thats for sure!

Unless you want to argue with the rest of the world, ICJ, UN, Supreme Court of Israel...

End up looking like one of your comrades... A beaten, broken mess because they tried to argue against a wall of fact!

A wall of your invented "facts".

It seems to be a right of passage for you Islamo-converts to see how loudly and obnoxiously you can pronounce your Joooooo hatreds to show your new-found moslem'ness.

What a pathetic joke.

I asked him her it "who's land was it that Israel occupied" and the response was "not Israel's!". In other words he she it doesn't want to face the wall of facts. LOL.

Here endeth the 'debate' on occupied territory...

If you two numbskulls still believe there is no occupation you need to seek some serious psychiatric help!

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?pr=71&code=mwp&p1=3&p2=4&p3=6
https://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/review/2012/irrc-885-kretzmer.pdf

So silly. This is the same UN you Islamo-converts use to claim that the Israelis are oppressors of Pali women.

What a bunch of whiners.

If you bothered to read the links...

International Court of Justice
Supreme Court of Israel

No UN in sight!

Why would there be a "claim" that Israel is an oppressor?

No claim required... It's been proven!

Re-read that the next time you're at the mosque for terrorist training. There's no occupation of Gaza.

 

[Hollie]

There's not a single, useless slogan you won't use to press your rabid Jooooooo hatreds...... Shortstop.

That's not a slogan, it's a fact.

And why would I hate Jews?

Why do you hate Joooooos?