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Thats nice. But today, somalis are doing it for islam. And they have a hadith verse on which to fall back. That's a simple fact. So again..you whining to the wrong people.. Go whine to them.Somalia is Africa, with is OWN African traditions, customs, and habits, which have nothing at all to do with Islam.
Great! And the protestants say worshipping mary is unchristian. But the Catholics say it is doctrine.But genital mutilation most definitely and absolutely is NOT Islamic.
I said he expressed approval and then showed someone how to do it the best way. Which is a fact, according to the hadiths. So no, you didn't address anything I said, there.Mohammad never said or wrote to remove the clitoris.
Which is your opinion. In reality,others do not agree, and do plenty more. When you said they don't, you were wrong, and I gave you the information to indicate your error. You ignored it. But I noticed you changed your language from "only this happens" to "only this is acceptable", without acknowledging this lane change. That's quackery. But again...no lie by me stated or addressed, there. You're not even 0 for 2...you're 0 for 0....The only accepted female circumcisions is to split the prepuce hood, and that is all.
Now that is a shameless, stupid lie . The tradition exists, it exists today, and you have been given the information to realize this.there clearly is NOT a tradition of female circumcision other than the prepuce.
And you still didn't state one single thing i said. Like I said...quackery...
Says you. A lot of Muslims say otherwise. Don't cry to me for pointing that.out...go cry to them for doing it!Name one, then. I am not going to to read your self soothing little word salads. Name one lie . State it clearly. State why it is a lie, in a sentence or two. Then I will address it.You are lying.
I have said it already in every post.
The whole point of Islam was for Mohammed to show his appreciation to his wife, and implement the reforms to Judaism that she wanted.
So that would NEVER include genital mutilation, like clitorectomy.
No Muslim would ever do that.
All Muslims do is slit the prepuce if the hood is too thick and long, preventing stimulation of the clitoris.
So when you say that Muslims mutilate women, you are lying.
The Quran says otherwise.
As the clerics in Somalia are doing right now. Sack up and join them. To deny what they are fighting and to whine to me accomplishes less than nothing..
Thats nice. But today, somalis are doing it for islam. And they have a hadith verse on which to fall back. That's a simple fact. So again..you whining to the wrong people.. Go whine to them.Somalia is Africa, with is OWN African traditions, customs, and habits, which have nothing at all to do with Islam.
Great! And the protestants say worshipping mary is unchristian. But the Catholics say it is doctrine.But genital mutilation most definitely and absolutely is NOT Islamic.
Your deficit here is that I think they are both full of shit,but both christians. The same goes for the Somali Muslims and those who call their practices unislamic, from my perspective. So, when you say "it's unislamic", I am never, not ever, going to respond by telling you that you are correct, and they are wrong. But I applaud any effort you make to reform them from this practice, which includes convincing them that it is unislamic.
We are not who voted for a president who brags about grabbing womens pussies.But you abused and oppressed your women in other ways, and THAT is GUARANTEED to be TRUE.I honestly dont care...I grow up in a Muslim country and we didnt have it and never heard of it till I came here.It is a cultural thing and it is up to them. It has nothing to do with islam....hindus, Christian's, muslims and others in certain parts do it.
I am a male and I cant think my parents enough for the circumcision though.
I already know it is s cultural and not religious. Do you support female circumcision or not?
If your wife or daughter decided to do it, you gonna disowned them ?I honestly dont care...I grow up in a Muslim country and we didnt have it and never heard of it till I came here.It is a cultural thing and it is up to them. It has nothing to do with islam....hindus, Christian's, muslims and others in certain parts do it.
I am a male and I cant think my parents enough for the circumcision though.
I already know it is s cultural and not religious. Do you support female circumcision or not?
You don't care? So you wouldn't mind if your wife and daughter had it done? Interesting.
Great! And the protestants say worshipping mary is unchristian. But the Catholics say it is doctrine.But genital mutilation most definitely and absolutely is NOT Islamic.
Your deficit here is that I think they are both full of shit,but both christians. The same goes for the Somali Muslims and those who call their practices unislamic, from my perspective. So, when you say "it's unislamic", I am never, not ever, going to respond by telling you that you are correct, and they are wrong. But I applaud any effort you make to reform them from this practice, which includes convincing them that it is unislamic.
But you KNOW that it is only an African minority that are doing these incorrect medical procedures, and that Muslims in the Mideast are not, so then you are deliberately lying when you attempt to use those African atrocities to condemn all Muslims and try to commit genocide against them, even though you know they are innocent.
What a terrible argument. That doesn't speak to the intent of people doing it today.That conclusion makes no sense. If this woman is performing FGMs *IN* Mohammed's lifetime, that just confirms that it was
That is indeed a terrible argument. When Hitler wrote that by eradicating Jews he was "finishing the work of the Lord", his intent doesn't magically make Christianism responsible for his wackjob interpretation of it. Ditto Eric Rudolph or any example you want.
Your own post pointed out -- here I'll quote it directly:
Muslim leaders have to gather and tell their congregations it is, contrary to popular belief, not demanded by Islam.
CLEARLY to the extent they need to re-educate these people they're addressing mythologies, exactly like the ones promulgated here by the OP, by 2aguy just above, by Cecilie1200 -- by any number of knuckledragging ignorami. THAT is what that kind of ignorance leads to, so don't sit here feeding it. All that does is slow down the eradication of this bizarre ancient custom.
The fact remains, FGM has nothing to do with religion and never did. It's a social custom WAY older than Islam, Christianism, Judaism etc etc, which your own account of the woman meeting Mohammed, proves.
Hey, moron, I see I am living in your head, rent free....true, it is a tiny space, filled with junk, and dirty as hell......but you can't stop thinking about me....you twit.
I would never force anyone female in my family to have female circumcisiin.. Why would my wife or daughter decide to it? I know of no woman that would decide to have their bodies mutilated like that. Do you? So are you for it or against it or is it you have no idea what it is?If your wife or daughter decided to do it, you gonna disowned them ?I honestly dont care...I grow up in a Muslim country and we didnt have it and never heard of it till I came here.It is a cultural thing and it is up to them. It has nothing to do with islam....hindus, Christian's, muslims and others in certain parts do it.So Issa do you or don't you?
I am a male and I cant think my parents enough for the circumcision though.
I already know it is s cultural and not religious. Do you support female circumcision or not?
You don't care? So you wouldn't mind if your wife and daughter had it done? Interesting.
I would never force anyone female in my family to have female circumcisiin.. Why would my wife or daughter decide to it? I know of no woman that would decide to have their bodies mutilated like that. Do you? So are you for it or against it or is it you have no idea what it is?If your wife or daughter decided to do it, you gonna disowned them ?I honestly dont care...I grow up in a Muslim country and we didnt have it and never heard of it till I came here.It is a cultural thing and it is up to them. It has nothing to do with islam....hindus, Christian's, muslims and others in certain parts do it.
I am a male and I cant think my parents enough for the circumcision though.
I already know it is s cultural and not religious. Do you support female circumcision or not?
You don't care? So you wouldn't mind if your wife and daughter had it done? Interesting.
FGM is child abuse, and there is no way around that. I don't give a shit what your culture is. You don't have the freedom to abuse your children. Many cultures marry off their children at 9 years old. Islam does this. Sorry buddy, but you can't marry a 9 year old in The US. It's illegal, and so is FGM in 28 states by my count.
That crime needs harsher penalties, and more states need to outlaw it, because it has gone underground. Not one single little girl should ever have this forced on her by her parents.
Great! And the protestants say worshipping mary is unchristian. But the Catholics say it is doctrine.But genital mutilation most definitely and absolutely is NOT Islamic.
Your deficit here is that I think they are both full of shit,but both christians. The same goes for the Somali Muslims and those who call their practices unislamic, from my perspective. So, when you say "it's unislamic", I am never, not ever, going to respond by telling you that you are correct, and they are wrong. But I applaud any effort you make to reform them from this practice, which includes convincing them that it is unislamic.
But you KNOW that it is only an African minority that are doing these incorrect medical procedures, and that Muslims in the Mideast are not, so then you are deliberately lying when you attempt to use those African atrocities to condemn all Muslims and try to commit genocide against them, even though you know they are innocent.
Bullshit. Colombia has an "African minority'? India has an "African minority"?
Then there's this --- again ---:
>> During the 19th century, FGM was frequently performed by doctors [in the US] as a treatment for many sexual and psychological conditions. During the 19th and 20th centuries, the clitoris was considered the center of female sexuality.[4] In addition, Victorian concepts of female sexuality resulted in a widely-held belief that women were less sexual than men.[20]Female sexuality was typically thought of only within the constructs of heterosexual marriage, and behaviors that strayed from this schema, such as masturbation, were deemed symptomatic, and often resulted in operation on the clitoris.[21][4]
... From the 1880s to 1950s, excision was often performed to prevent and treat lesbianism, masturbation, depression, hysteria, and nymphomania.[22][23] These procedures continued well into the 1970s, and were covered by Blue Cross Blue Shield Insurance until 1977.[9]
Dr. James Burt, a physician from Ohio, performed a so-called "surgery of love" on over 170 women throughout the 1960s and 1970s.[24] During the nonconsensual procedure, Burt would cut around, move, and reshape the clitoris of women who had been admitted for other operations.[24] This continued well into the 1970s, when a former coworker served witness to several of Burt's victims, and he was fired and cast out of the medical community.[24] << Wiki: FGM in the United States: History
FGM, once AGAIN, however bizarre it is, is a worldwide and ancient sociocultural tradition that LOOOOOOONG predtes Islam, predates Christianims, predates Sikhism, Hinduism, Judaism or any other contemporary religion that coincides with it. It's at minimum 2400 years old and has been evidenced in freaking Egyptian mummies --- LOOOONG before there was a Mohammed or a Jesus or a Buddha. It was, again for the literarily deaf, ALREADY THERE. The fact that Islam at one point swept through Sudan, or that Chrisitanism swept through Uganda, or that various indigenous animist religions developed in the same place, in NO WAY makes the latecomer 'responsible" for something that was long established before they were even developed, let alone arrived, as a custom that has no religious function in the first place. That's absurd.
The purpose of FGM is, like so many other things, to control women as a kind of 'property'. It was, and still is, contrived for social status in the community. However perverted that logic is, that's what it's there for. In other words Patriarchy contrived FGM, not any "religion".
You need to stop posting bullshit. All it does is foment the same head-up-the-ass ignorance that the OP plopped in here. You also need to drop that Robert Johnson icon. You're not worthy of it. Robert Johnson had a lot of faults but he didn't post bullshit.
FGM is child abuse, and there is no way around that. I don't give a shit what your culture is. You don't have the freedom to abuse your children. Many cultures marry off their children at 9 years old. Islam does this. Sorry buddy, but you can't marry a 9 year old in The US. It's illegal, and so is FGM in 28 states by my count.
That crime needs harsher penalties, and more states need to outlaw it, because it has gone underground. Not one single little girl should ever have this forced on her by her parents.
FGM is child abuse, and there is no way around that. I don't give a shit what your culture is. You don't have the freedom to abuse your children. Many cultures marry off their children at 9 years old. Islam does this. Sorry buddy, but you can't marry a 9 year old in The US. It's illegal, and so is FGM in 28 states by my count.
That crime needs harsher penalties, and more states need to outlaw it, because it has gone underground. Not one single little girl should ever have this forced on her by her parents.
No Dumbass, "Islam" does NOT do this. Christianism does not do this. Judaism does not do this. *NO* religion does this.
IT IS NOT A FUCKING RELIGIOUS RITUAL. Anywhere.
Fucking moron.
Great! And the protestants say worshipping mary is unchristian. But the Catholics say it is doctrine.But genital mutilation most definitely and absolutely is NOT Islamic.
Your deficit here is that I think they are both full of shit,but both christians. The same goes for the Somali Muslims and those who call their practices unislamic, from my perspective. So, when you say "it's unislamic", I am never, not ever, going to respond by telling you that you are correct, and they are wrong. But I applaud any effort you make to reform them from this practice, which includes convincing them that it is unislamic.
But you KNOW that it is only an African minority that are doing these incorrect medical procedures, and that Muslims in the Mideast are not, so then you are deliberately lying when you attempt to use those African atrocities to condemn all Muslims and try to commit genocide against them, even though you know they are innocent.
Bullshit. Colombia has an "African minority'? India has an "African minority"?
Then there's this --- again ---:
>> During the 19th century, FGM was frequently performed by doctors [in the US] as a treatment for many sexual and psychological conditions. During the 19th and 20th centuries, the clitoris was considered the center of female sexuality.[4] In addition, Victorian concepts of female sexuality resulted in a widely-held belief that women were less sexual than men.[20]Female sexuality was typically thought of only within the constructs of heterosexual marriage, and behaviors that strayed from this schema, such as masturbation, were deemed symptomatic, and often resulted in operation on the clitoris.[21][4]
... From the 1880s to 1950s, excision was often performed to prevent and treat lesbianism, masturbation, depression, hysteria, and nymphomania.[22][23] These procedures continued well into the 1970s, and were covered by Blue Cross Blue Shield Insurance until 1977.[9]
Dr. James Burt, a physician from Ohio, performed a so-called "surgery of love" on over 170 women throughout the 1960s and 1970s.[24] During the nonconsensual procedure, Burt would cut around, move, and reshape the clitoris of women who had been admitted for other operations.[24] This continued well into the 1970s, when a former coworker served witness to several of Burt's victims, and he was fired and cast out of the medical community.[24] << Wiki: FGM in the United States: History
FGM, once AGAIN, however bizarre it is, is a worldwide and ancient sociocultural tradition that LOOOOOOONG predtes Islam, predates Christianims, predates Sikhism, Hinduism, Judaism or any other contemporary religion that coincides with it. It's at minimum 2400 years old and has been evidenced in freaking Egyptian mummies --- LOOOONG before there was a Mohammed or a Jesus or a Buddha. It was, again for the literarily deaf, ALREADY THERE. The fact that Islam at one point swept through Sudan, or that Chrisitanism swept through Uganda, or that various indigenous animist religions developed in the same place, in NO WAY makes the latecomer 'responsible" for something that was long established before they were even developed, let alone arrived, as a custom that has no religious function in the first place. That's absurd.
The purpose of FGM is, like so many other things, to control women as a kind of 'property'. It was, and still is, contrived for social status in the community. However perverted that logic is, that's what it's there for. In other words Patriarchy contrived FGM, not any "religion".
You need to stop posting bullshit. All it does is foment the same head-up-the-ass ignorance that the OP plopped in here. You also need to drop that Robert Johnson icon. You're not worthy of it. Robert Johnson had a lot of faults but he didn't post bullshit.
While this part you said was true:
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FGM, once AGAIN, however bizarre it is, is a worldwide and ancient sociocultural tradition that LOOOOOOONG predtes Islam, predates Christianims, predates Sikhism, Hinduism, Judaism or any other contemporary religion that coincides with it. It's at minimum 2400 years old and has been evidenced in freaking Egyptian mummies --- LOOOONG before there was a Mohammed or a Jesus or a Buddha.
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The POINT is this thread and all of the propaganda in the world is lying and trying to imply that FGM is tied to Islam when in reality Islam is against FGM.
All articles, discussions, and organizations claiming to be against FGM actually are fakes intending to promote genocide against Muslims who do not even do FGM.
