George Zimmerman's bloody head

[Ravi]

This is Florida. For $150 you can get a fake passport. LOL, you just don't read enough crime novels.

 

[Ravi]

From the crime scene.

It is believed Travon's body is to the right under the yellow tarp.

If so, not on the sidewalk. I would imagine it would be pretty difficult to wiggle your way that far from the sidewalk while being beaten senseless with someone sitting on top of you.

 

[WorldWatcher]

From the crime scene.

It is believed Travon's body is to the right under the yellow tarp.

Interesting...


If that is the body, then it places it much closer to the "T" intersection of the walkways then some have thought.

1. Using Google Earth/Maps you can look for the placement of two trees in the photo.

2. Secondly you can look to the slope of the ground in the background to orient the sidewalk to the Video by the 13 year old at time stamp 1:03 to the slop seen in that picture. (, "T" intersection is in the back ground.)

3. On the down-slope side of the sidewalk, there are no places farther then the "T" intersection where there are two trees in that arrangement.​

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[paperview]

A little better orientation for where it was WW, from the news coverage the following day after the incident:

You can see the cops there at the first arrow, and the yellow tarp of what appears to be the body at the 2nd one.

From this clip:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w47eL_jTieI"]Witness Says Trayvon Wan On Top of Zimmerman Beating Him - YouTube[/ame]

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Looks like it's definitely closer to the "T" intersection of the walkway then the address the police have in their report.


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[KissMy]

From the crime scene.

It is believed Travon's body is to the right under the yellow tarp.

If so, not on the sidewalk. I would imagine it would be pretty difficult to wiggle your way that far from the sidewalk while being beaten senseless with someone sitting on top of you.

Zimmerman said in police statement that Trayvon Martin “fell back” saying “you got me”. He also landed face down. He is only one body length away from the sidewalk even after being rolled over for CPR & everything else.

Martin's body is also located next to the eye witness "John's" house which makes John's eye witness statements the most credible.

 

[Bigfoot]

(snipped)

Trayvon Martin “fell back” saying “you got me”.

LOL< thanks for that this morning

 

[Againsheila]

This is Florida. For $150 you can get a fake passport. LOL, you just don't read enough crime novels.

You know, I wouldn't take those novels at their word, Ravi, there's a reason they are called "fiction".

 

[Quantum Windbag]

He heard his wife's testimony. That's why I said he didn't correct the lie....and even if she didn't personally lie, he apparently did by omission.

Loser.

You ever been in court? You don't speak unless you are spoken to. By the way, his wife didn't lie. When asked how they were getting the bail she said the family was trying to collect enough money to pay it. Apparently, it took them a couple of days to raise it because they did not have access to the account you keep saying they lied about.

Maybe Zimmerman was hiding the money from his wife. He damn well can speak to his attorney and ask to be heard in court.

He was on the stand for how long again? Did the prosecutor ask about eh website? Are you trying to argue that the state prosecutor in charge of this case is so incompetent she did not know about a website that was covered on the national news a week before they arrested Zimmerman?

You can't win this one Ravi, either the prosecution knew about the website, and didn't mention it because they thought it was irrelevant, or they are so stupid they didn't know about it, in which case they are going to lose the case from missing something else that everybody in the world knows.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You ever been in court? You don't speak unless you are spoken to. By the way, his wife didn't lie. When asked how they were getting the bail she said the family was trying to collect enough money to pay it. Apparently, it took them a couple of days to raise it because they did not have access to the account you keep saying they lied about.

Maybe Zimmerman was hiding the money from his wife. He damn well can speak to his attorney and ask to be heard in court.

I think this part makes it pretty clear:

"(1)(a)&#8195;All information provided by a defendant, in connection with any application for or attempt to secure bail, to any court, court personnel, or individual soliciting or recording such information for the purpose of evaluating eligibility for, or securing, bail for the defendant, under circumstances such that the defendant knew or should have known that the information was to be used in connection with an application for bail, shall be accurate, truthful, and complete without omissions to the best knowledge of the defendant.(b)&#8195;The failure to comply with the provisions of paragraph (a) may result in the revocation or modification of bail."

903.035 - Applications for bail information provided hearing on application for modification penalty for providing false or misleading information or omitting material information. - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

Next question, does anyone have any evidence that a) this is actually relevant to the bail hearing and/or b) that it wasn't mentioned in the reams of documents that were filed in this case?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There's always the chance that Zimmerman didn't tell his wife about the money....more things that make you go hmmmmmmm.............

About as much chance as me being the Queen of Neptune.

There's always the possibility that he planned on dumping her and fleeing to Costa Rica or somewhere.....good thing they put that ankle bracelet on him.

Ankle bracelets only stop honest people, or idiots. The others simply cut it off and disappear.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

This is Florida. For $150 you can get a fake passport. LOL, you just don't read enough crime novels.

If you think a $150 fake passport will get you through customs anywhere in the world you are dumber than the idiot who actually buys one to go clubbing.

 

[paperview]

The State did inquire about the website. Here is the small portion where De Le Rionda asked the wife about it and if she knew how much money was there.

She relays Zimmerman's brother set it and he would know. They ask is he was there. She says no. "but we could probably get him on the phone."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaq2QsLzVXM&feature=player_embedded#
They also asked the father about it.

Beginning at the [46:20] mark:

DE LA RIONDA: Are you aware that a website has been created for your son?

R. Zimmerman: Yes.

DE LA RIONDA: Are you involved in that at all?

R. Zimmerman: No I'm not.

DE LA RIONDA: Are you aware of how much money has been collected?

R. Zimmerman: I have no idea.

DE LA RIONDA: To your knowledge, who's in charge of that program or website?

R. Zimmerman: I'm really.........I'm not sure.

DE LA RIONDA: So you have no idea where the money's going, or where it's being deposited, etc.?

R. Zimmerman: I have no idea if there's any money, how much money, or who has access to it.

George Zimmerman bond hearing :: WRAL.com

 

[paperview]

Comments made in the media by Uhrig about the account & Website:

MSNBC Manuscript, April 10, 2012
UHRIG: Mr. Sonner was accompanied to the bank by Mr. Zimmerman`s
father, for the purpose of setting up a Web site by which people might make
donations. We went to great lengths to make sure the Web site was set up in way to which the PayPal account paid directly to an account on which for his father has the control on the signature rights.

Anderson Cooper Transcript, April 10, 2012
COOPER: So, Mr. Uhrig, were you ever officially his attorneys? Had he signed a document saying you were his attorneys? Had you met with family members? His family members?

UHRIG: We had been in communication with family members. In fact, the father went to the bank with Mr. Sonner to set up the bank account which the Web site we put up for his benefit was going to take so that we didn't touch the money. The money would go to a bank account with only his father's name on it. His father was communicative with us. He was communicative with us.

 

[KissMy]

Ankle bracelets only stop honest people, or idiots. The others simply cut it off and disappear.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s2cWaO1KtE"]How to beat the house arrest bracelet[/ame]

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The State did inquire about the website. Here is the small portion where De Le Rionda asked the wife about it and if she knew how much money was there.

She relays Zimmerman's brother set it and he would know. They ask is he was there. She says no. "but we could probably get him on the phone."

Bond Hearing Snip - YouTube
They also asked the father about it.

Beginning at the [46:20] mark:

DE LA RIONDA: Are you aware that a website has been created for your son?

R. Zimmerman: Yes.

DE LA RIONDA: Are you involved in that at all?

R. Zimmerman: No I'm not.

DE LA RIONDA: Are you aware of how much money has been collected?

R. Zimmerman: I have no idea.

DE LA RIONDA: To your knowledge, who's in charge of that program or website?

R. Zimmerman: I'm really.........I'm not sure.

DE LA RIONDA: So you have no idea where the money's going, or where it's being deposited, etc.?

R. Zimmerman: I have no idea if there's any money, how much money, or who has access to it.

George Zimmerman bond hearing :: WRAL.com

Then there is nothing for anyone to whine about.

The state knew about the website, asked, and was told who to call if they needed specifics. Why do I think that this isn't going to make any difference to anyone?

 

[Ravi]

From the crime scene.

It is believed Travon's body is to the right under the yellow tarp.

If so, not on the sidewalk. I would imagine it would be pretty difficult to wiggle your way that far from the sidewalk while being beaten senseless with someone sitting on top of you.

Zimmerman said in police statement that Trayvon Martin “fell back” saying “you got me”. He also landed face down. He is only one body length away from the sidewalk even after being rolled over for CPR & everything else.

Martin's body is also located next to the eye witness "John's" house which makes John's eye witness statements the most credible.

How do you fall backwards and land face down all at the same time?

 

[Ravi]

Comments made in the media by Uhrig about the account & Website:

MSNBC Manuscript, April 10, 2012
UHRIG: Mr. Sonner was accompanied to the bank by Mr. Zimmerman`s
father, for the purpose of setting up a Web site by which people might make
donations. We went to great lengths to make sure the Web site was set up in way to which the PayPal account paid directly to an account on which for his father has the control on the signature rights.

Anderson Cooper Transcript, April 10, 2012
COOPER: So, Mr. Uhrig, were you ever officially his attorneys? Had he signed a document saying you were his attorneys? Had you met with family members? His family members?

UHRIG: We had been in communication with family members. In fact, the father went to the bank with Mr. Sonner to set up the bank account which the Web site we put up for his benefit was going to take so that we didn't touch the money. The money would go to a bank account with only his father's name on it. His father was communicative with us. He was communicative with us.

Does this mean that the father is the one that withheld the information? Did anyone ask Zimmerman how much money was in the account?

 

[paperview]

Comments made in the media by Uhrig about the account & Website:

MSNBC Manuscript, April 10, 2012
UHRIG: Mr. Sonner was accompanied to the bank by Mr. Zimmerman`s
father, for the purpose of setting up a Web site by which people might make
donations. We went to great lengths to make sure the Web site was set up in way to which the PayPal account paid directly to an account on which for his father has the control on the signature rights.

Anderson Cooper Transcript, April 10, 2012
COOPER: So, Mr. Uhrig, were you ever officially his attorneys? Had he signed a document saying you were his attorneys? Had you met with family members? His family members?

UHRIG: We had been in communication with family members. In fact, the father went to the bank with Mr. Sonner to set up the bank account which the Web site we put up for his benefit was going to take so that we didn't touch the money. The money would go to a bank account with only his father's name on it. His father was communicative with us. He was communicative with us.

Does this mean that the father is the one that withheld the information? Did anyone ask Zimmerman how much money was in the account?

It obvious people are lying.

The State could not question Zimmerman on the account. That would not be allowed in the cross examination portion when he was on the stand.

The person who responsible for not disclosing the monetary information was most certainly George Zimmerman, and the Florida statue makes it clear:

"(1)(a)&#8195;All information provided by a defendant, in connection with any application for or attempt to secure bail, to any court, court personnel, or individual soliciting or recording such information for the purpose of evaluating eligibility for, or securing, bail for the defendant, under circumstances such that the defendant knew or should have known that the information was to be used in connection with an application for bail, shall be accurate, truthful, and complete without omissions to the best knowledge of the defendant.(b)&#8195;The failure to comply with the provisions of paragraph (a) may result in the revocation or modification of bail.

(2)&#8195;An application for modification of bail on any felony charge must be heard by a court in person, at a hearing with the defendant present, and with at least 3 hours&#8217; notice to the state attorney.
(3)&#8195;Any person who intentionally provides false or misleading material information or intentionally omits material information in connection with an application for bail or for modification of bail is guilty of a misdemeanor or felony which is one degree less than that of the crime charged for which bail is sought, but which in no event is greater than a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.




903.035 - Applications for bail information provided hearing on application for modification penalty for providing false or misleading information or omitting material information. - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

 

[Ravi]

Comments made in the media by Uhrig about the account & Website:

MSNBC Manuscript, April 10, 2012
UHRIG: Mr. Sonner was accompanied to the bank by Mr. Zimmerman`s
father, for the purpose of setting up a Web site by which people might make
donations. We went to great lengths to make sure the Web site was set up in way to which the PayPal account paid directly to an account on which for his father has the control on the signature rights.

Anderson Cooper Transcript, April 10, 2012
COOPER: So, Mr. Uhrig, were you ever officially his attorneys? Had he signed a document saying you were his attorneys? Had you met with family members? His family members?

UHRIG: We had been in communication with family members. In fact, the father went to the bank with Mr. Sonner to set up the bank account which the Web site we put up for his benefit was going to take so that we didn't touch the money. The money would go to a bank account with only his father's name on it. His father was communicative with us. He was communicative with us.

Does this mean that the father is the one that withheld the information? Did anyone ask Zimmerman how much money was in the account?

It obvious people are lying.

The State could not question Zimmerman on the account. That would not be allowed in the cross examination portion when he was on the stand.

The person who responsible for not disclosing the monetary information was most certainly George Zimmerman, and the Florida statue makes it clear:

"(1)(a)&#8195;All information provided by a defendant, in connection with any application for or attempt to secure bail, to any court, court personnel, or individual soliciting or recording such information for the purpose of evaluating eligibility for, or securing, bail for the defendant, under circumstances such that the defendant knew or should have known that the information was to be used in connection with an application for bail, shall be accurate, truthful, and complete without omissions to the best knowledge of the defendant.(b)&#8195;The failure to comply with the provisions of paragraph (a) may result in the revocation or modification of bail.

(2)&#8195;An application for modification of bail on any felony charge must be heard by a court in person, at a hearing with the defendant present, and with at least 3 hours’ notice to the state attorney.
(3)&#8195;Any person who intentionally provides false or misleading material information or intentionally omits material information in connection with an application for bail or for modification of bail is guilty of a misdemeanor or felony which is one degree less than that of the crime charged for which bail is sought, but which in no event is greater than a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.




903.035 - Applications for bail information provided hearing on application for modification penalty for providing false or misleading information or omitting material information. - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

That is pretty clear. Like I said before, it sounds as if Zimmerman lied by omission.