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[Moxie2]

Why do I have to pay for prostate health problems:

Over 50% of men in their 60s and as many as 90% in their 70s or older have symptoms of an enlarged prostate (BPH).


• Each year over 230,000 men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer and about 30,000 will die of it.


• Prostatitis is an issue for men of all ages and affects 35% of men aged 50 and older

Welcome to socialism! Everyone's problems are YOUR problems!

I was being sarcastic. I am perfectly happy to pay for other's health concerns as long as mine are covered as well. That's how it should be. I don't want to live in a dog eat dog world. I lived and worked in the EU for 4 years, in a country with excellent universal health care. Though during those 4 years, I only went to the doctor a few times for annual check ups and flu/cold complications, I was not at all concerned to be paying taxes to suppport universal health care. It works and it works well, and if anything serious occurs, you are covered. I pity the mean spirited, stingy, self-centered bastards, vicious people who think other people must suffer and die if they don't have money to pay for a serious illness. You all deserve to go to hell for eternity.

Great speech. Now, back to reality.

There are several reasons why the EU is in fiscal trouble, one of them you have just described in great detail.

 

[Esmeralda]

Welcome to socialism! Everyone's problems are YOUR problems!

I was being sarcastic. I am perfectly happy to pay for other's health concerns as long as mine are covered as well. That's how it should be. I don't want to live in a dog eat dog world. I lived and worked in the EU for 4 years, in a country with excellent universal health care. Though during those 4 years, I only went to the doctor a few times for annual check ups and flu/cold complications, I was not at all concerned to be paying taxes to suppport universal health care. It works and it works well, and if anything serious occurs, you are covered. I pity the mean spirited, stingy, self-centered bastards, vicious people who think other people must suffer and die if they don't have money to pay for a serious illness. You all deserve to go to hell for eternity.

Great speech. Now, back to reality.

Universal health care is the reality in most of the modern nations of the world. Now. Today. The US is very backward in this sense, and people like you are the problem: backward, ignorant, provincials.

Country Start Date of Universal Health Care System Type
Norway 1912 Single Payer
New Zealand 1938 Two Tier
Japan 1938 Single Payer
Germany 1941 Insurance Mandate
Belgium 1945 Insurance Mandate
United Kingdom 1948 Single Payer
Kuwait 1950 Single Payer
Sweden 1955 Single Payer
Bahrain 1957 Single Payer
Brunei 1958 Single Payer
Canada 1966 Single Payer
Netherlands 1966 Two-Tier
Austria 1967 Insurance Mandate
United Arab Emirates 1971 Single Payer
Finland 1972 Single Payer
Slovenia 1972 Single Payer
Denmark 1973 Two-Tier
Luxembourg 1973 Insurance Mandate
France 1974 Two-Tier
Australia 1975 Two Tier
Ireland 1977 Two-Tier
Italy 1978 Single Payer
Portugal 1979 Single Payer
Cyprus 1980 Single Payer
Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate
Spain 1986 Single Payer
South Korea 1988 Insurance Mandate
Iceland 1990 Single Payer
Hong Kong 1993 Two-Tier
Singapore 1993 Two-Tier
Switzerland 1994 Insurance Mandate
Israel 1995 Two-Tier
United States 2014? Insurance Mandate

http://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/

 

[Moxie2]

I was being sarcastic. I am perfectly happy to pay for other's health concerns as long as mine are covered as well. That's how it should be. I don't want to live in a dog eat dog world. I lived and worked in the EU for 4 years, in a country with excellent universal health care. Though during those 4 years, I only went to the doctor a few times for annual check ups and flu/cold complications, I was not at all concerned to be paying taxes to suppport universal health care. It works and it works well, and if anything serious occurs, you are covered. I pity the mean spirited, stingy, self-centered bastards, vicious people who think other people must suffer and die if they don't have money to pay for a serious illness. You all deserve to go to hell for eternity.

Great speech. Now, back to reality.

Universal health care is the reality in most of the modern nations of the world. Now. Today. The US is very backward in this sense, and people like you are the problem: backward, ignorant, provincials.

Interesting you don't want to comment on how this is bankrupting those "modern nations" you are referring to.

If the EU was so great, why would such an enlightened individual like yourself choose to move to such a "backward" nation like the US?

I understand your need to engage in a personal attack to detract from the negative points of your position. Individualism is what made took this country from zero to World Power, you can attack it, or people like me that believe in it, but you can't change the facts.

 

[Esmeralda]

Great speech. Now, back to reality.

Universal health care is the reality in most of the modern nations of the world. Now. Today. The US is very backward in this sense, and people like you are the problem: backward, ignorant, provincials.

Interesting you don't want to comment on how this is bankrupting those "modern nations" you are referring to.

If the EU was so great, why would such an enlightened individual like yourself choose to move to such a "backward" nation like the US?

I understand your need to engage in a personal attack to detract from the negative points of your position. Individualism is what made took this country from zero to World Power, you can attack it, or people like me that believe in it, but you can't change the facts.

It is not bankrupting them at all. That is a myth only Americans believe. European nations are suffering from the same economic depression America is suffering from. You ignorant people want to beleive something that isn't true because it fits your agenda. I spend a large part of every year in the EU and they are mostly all in good shape and are recovering from the economic crisis, as is the US. Go to any EU country, and you will find excesses of bounty on a wide scale. You want to believe something that isn't true. I don't live in the US. I am an American but do not live in the US. I lived there for 51 years, but don't now and hope never to have to again.

 

[Moxie2]

Universal health care is the reality in most of the modern nations of the world. Now. Today. The US is very backward in this sense, and people like you are the problem: backward, ignorant, provincials.

Interesting you don't want to comment on how this is bankrupting those "modern nations" you are referring to.

If the EU was so great, why would such an enlightened individual like yourself choose to move to such a "backward" nation like the US?

I understand your need to engage in a personal attack to detract from the negative points of your position. Individualism is what made took this country from zero to World Power, you can attack it, or people like me that believe in it, but you can't change the facts.

It is not bankrupting them at all. That is a myth only Americans believe. European nations are suffering from the same economic depression America is suffering from. You ignorant people want to beleive something that isn't true because it fits your agenda. I spend a large part of every year in the EU and they mostly all in good shape and are recovering from the economic crisis. Go to any EU country and you will find excesses of bounty on a wide scale. You want to believe something that isn't true. Ii don't live in the US. I am an American but do not live in the US. I lived there for 51 years, but don't and hope never to have to again.

It is bankrupting them. You can't change those facts either.

The economic depression in Europe is caused by the socialist polices. The economic depression in America is happening because this "president" is pushing those socialist policies here.

I am in the EU frequently as well, and excess is not quite as prevalent as you would like everyone (including yourself) to believe.

And while you may have lived here for 51 years, you are not an American. REAL Americans believe in America.

 

[Esmeralda]

Interesting you don't want to comment on how this is bankrupting those "modern nations" you are referring to.

If the EU was so great, why would such an enlightened individual like yourself choose to move to such a "backward" nation like the US?

I understand your need to engage in a personal attack to detract from the negative points of your position. Individualism is what made took this country from zero to World Power, you can attack it, or people like me that believe in it, but you can't change the facts.

It is not bankrupting them at all. That is a myth only Americans believe. European nations are suffering from the same economic depression America is suffering from. You ignorant people want to beleive something that isn't true because it fits your agenda. I spend a large part of every year in the EU and they mostly all in good shape and are recovering from the economic crisis. Go to any EU country and you will find excesses of bounty on a wide scale. You want to believe something that isn't true. Ii don't live in the US. I am an American but do not live in the US. I lived there for 51 years, but don't and hope never to have to again.

It is bankrupting them. You can't change those facts either.

The economic depression in Europe is caused by the socialist polices. The economic depression in America is happening because this "president" is pushing those socialist policies here.

I am in the EU frequently as well, and excess is not quite as prevalent as you would like everyone (including yourself) to believe.

And while you may have lived here for 51 years, you are not an American. REAL Americans believe in America.

NO. My God you are ignorant. The economic depression in Europe was caused by the same policies and problems that caused the US depression. IT IS A WORLD WIDE, GLOBAL DEPRESSION. Anyone with half a grain of brain matter knows that. I am as much of an American as you are. There's another indication of your complete stupidly. Millions of Americans live and work overseas; millions retire overseas, which I plan to do. That doesn't make them any less American. What a complete waste of space you are. Believing in America does not mean believing in ignoramuses like you, fool. Do you think all those millions of Americans who work and live overseas, who retire overseas don't believe in or support America? What fool you are.

 

[Moxie2]

It is not bankrupting them at all. That is a myth only Americans believe. European nations are suffering from the same economic depression America is suffering from. You ignorant people want to beleive something that isn't true because it fits your agenda. I spend a large part of every year in the EU and they mostly all in good shape and are recovering from the economic crisis. Go to any EU country and you will find excesses of bounty on a wide scale. You want to believe something that isn't true. Ii don't live in the US. I am an American but do not live in the US. I lived there for 51 years, but don't and hope never to have to again.

It is bankrupting them. You can't change those facts either.

The economic depression in Europe is caused by the socialist polices. The economic depression in America is happening because this "president" is pushing those socialist policies here.

I am in the EU frequently as well, and excess is not quite as prevalent as you would like everyone (including yourself) to believe.

And while you may have lived here for 51 years, you are not an American. REAL Americans believe in America.

NO. My God you are ignorant. The economic depression in Europe was caused by the same policies and problems that caused the US depression. IT IS A WORLD WIDE, GLOBAL DEPRESSION. Anyone with half a grain of brain matter knows that. I am as much of an American as you are. There's another indication of your complete stupidly. Millions of Americans live and work overseas; millions retire overseas, which I plan to do. That doesn't make them any less American. What a complete waste of space you are. Believing in America does not mean believing in ignoramuses like you, fool. Do you think all those millions of Americans who work and live overseas, who retire overseas don't believe in or support America? What fool you are.

Your constant personal attacks are a clear indication of how ignorant you are my dear. But that's ok, some people never grow up.

Now, while I can appreciate your attempt to try and spin my statement, like all liberals, that was clearly not the point.

Let me explain this in a way that even you can understand:

You obviously have a very low opinion of this "backward country" that is full of "heartless bastards", that you "hope you never have to live in again". (These were ALL your statements, see this is what its like to operate on facts!) Therefore, I made the comment that you lack support for America, and your lack of patriotism makes you not a "true" American.

I hope this clears everything up, but knowing you are a liberal, there is no reasoning with people like you. People like you are the problem, and thank God there is one less of you in America.

 

[Esmeralda]

It is bankrupting them. You can't change those facts either.

The economic depression in Europe is caused by the socialist polices. The economic depression in America is happening because this "president" is pushing those socialist policies here.

I am in the EU frequently as well, and excess is not quite as prevalent as you would like everyone (including yourself) to believe.

And while you may have lived here for 51 years, you are not an American. REAL Americans believe in America.

NO. My God you are ignorant. The economic depression in Europe was caused by the same policies and problems that caused the US depression. IT IS A WORLD WIDE, GLOBAL DEPRESSION. Anyone with half a grain of brain matter knows that. I am as much of an American as you are. There's another indication of your complete stupidly. Millions of Americans live and work overseas; millions retire overseas, which I plan to do. That doesn't make them any less American. What a complete waste of space you are. Believing in America does not mean believing in ignoramuses like you, fool. Do you think all those millions of Americans who work and live overseas, who retire overseas don't believe in or support America? What fool you are.

Your constant personal attacks are a clear indication of how ignorant you are my dear. But that's ok, some people never grow up.

Now, while I can appreciate your attempt to try and spin my statement, like all liberals, that was clearly not the point.

Let me explain this in a way that even you can understand:

You obviously have a very low opinion of this "backward country" that is full of "heartless bastards", that you "hope you never have to live in again". (These were ALL your statements, see this is what its like to operate on facts!) Therefore, I made the comment that you lack support for America, and your lack of patriotism makes you not a "true" American.

I hope this clears everything up, but knowing you are a liberal, there is no reasoning with people like you. People like you are the problem, and thank God there is one less of you in America.

No, you are making all kinds of assumptions, hence why you are clearly a fool. I only detest the people like you, who are, indeed, mean spirited, etc. I never said anyone is a heartless bastard, so don't put words in my mouth. I hope never to live in American again because I have 'been there, done that.' For 51 years. And I am a traveler, explorer, footlose and fancy free type who is not planted on one soil. Millions of Americans retire in other countries for various reasons, and I will be one of them. To think a person hates the US because she doesn't want to spend her whole life there is another indication of your ignorance and lack of intellect. I am not calling you names: I am pointing out reality. I don't believe in nationalism, true. I don't think in narrow minded terms such as patriotism. I am not a provincial. That doesn't make me any less of an American as you. Again, your mean spiritedness and lack of a broad understanding and vision is showing in neon lights. Labeling people as liberal and conservative, and thinking that is what life is all about, is another indication of your simple mindedness: not name calling, simply pointing out the reality. Of those milliions and millions of Americans living overseas, there as as many 'conservatives' as there are 'liberals.' You don't know anything about it but assume you do. (A State Department estimate suggests that the number of Americans living temporarliy or permanently overseas may be between 3 million and 6 million.) And now, I am done with you. You have taken this thread off topic. BTW my avatar is a painting by an American artist: Edward Hopper.

 

[Doubletap]

It is not bankrupting them at all. That is a myth only Americans believe. European nations are suffering from the same economic depression America is suffering from. You ignorant people want to beleive something that isn't true because it fits your agenda. I spend a large part of every year in the EU and they mostly all in good shape and are recovering from the economic crisis. Go to any EU country and you will find excesses of bounty on a wide scale. You want to believe something that isn't true. Ii don't live in the US. I am an American but do not live in the US. I lived there for 51 years, but don't and hope never to have to again.

It is bankrupting them. You can't change those facts either.

The economic depression in Europe is caused by the socialist polices. The economic depression in America is happening because this "president" is pushing those socialist policies here.

I am in the EU frequently as well, and excess is not quite as prevalent as you would like everyone (including yourself) to believe.

And while you may have lived here for 51 years, you are not an American. REAL Americans believe in America.

NO. My God you are ignorant. The economic depression in Europe was caused by the same policies and problems that caused the US depression. IT IS A WORLD WIDE, GLOBAL DEPRESSION. Anyone with half a grain of brain matter knows that. I am as much of an American as you are. There's another indication of your complete stupidly. Millions of Americans live and work overseas; millions retire overseas, which I plan to do. That doesn't make them any less American. What a complete waste of space you are. Believing in America does not mean believing in ignoramuses like you, fool. Do you think all those millions of Americans who work and live overseas, who retire overseas don't believe in or support America? What fool you are.

Moxie is correct, Esmeralda. Please try intelligent conversation, instead of name calling.
Read "Atlas Shrugged" It will all become clear.