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We fed this data into our AGW models and found AGW
AGW is a cult, a death worshiping, deranged cult
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"Global Warming is for real!!"
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Don't stress Thunder. If it's real it won't matter. You'll be long since dead.
No, not at all. In 2000, had someone told me that the Arctic Sea Ice was going to be gone for part of the summer by 2020, I would have said that is way too fast. Reality is that the scientists have been far too conservative in judging the effects of the warming. From the increase in extreme wildfire events, to the extreme flood events, we are seeing consequences right now.
Don't stress Thunder. If it's real it won't matter. You'll be long since dead.
Don't stress Thunder. If it's real it won't matter. You'll be long since dead.
That kind of sociopathic self-centeredness and disregard for the welfare and survival of future generations of us humans and all of the other creatures we share this planet with seems pretty typical of the rightwingnut retards who fill the ranks of this anti-science cult of AGW denial and serve as the "useful idiot" foot soldiers for the fossil fuel industry's continued profits from selling the stuff that is creating this climate change crisis. The Koch brothers and Exxon thank you for for being such a moronic dupe, Politiconned. Your descendants (if any) will curse you.
Don't stress Thunder. If it's real it won't matter. You'll be long since dead.
No, not at all. In 2000, had someone told me that the Arctic Sea Ice was going to be gone for part of the summer by 2020, I would have said that is way too fast. Reality is that the scientists have been far too conservative in judging the effects of the warming. From the increase in extreme wildfire events, to the extreme flood events, we are seeing consequences right now.
sorry Ray........extreme weather is not any new phenomenon like you suggest. Its one of the classic ruse strategies perpetuated by the AGW crowd.........
But a quick peek at the history of extreme weather indicates its ALWAYS been
Don't stress Thunder. If it's real it won't matter. You'll be long since dead.
That kind of sociopathic self-centeredness and disregard for the welfare and survival of future generations of us humans and all of the other creatures we share this planet with seems pretty typical of the rightwingnut retards who fill the ranks of this anti-science cult of AGW denial and serve as the "useful idiot" foot soldiers for the fossil fuel industry's continued profits from selling the stuff that is creating this climate change crisis. The Koch brothers and Exxon thank you for for being such a moronic dupe, Politiconned. Your descendants (if any) will curse you.
omg, why the hell are we suppose to care about your survival..
oh damn it's SUMMER and it's HOT...we are all GOING TO DIE...
That kind of sociopathic self-centeredness and disregard for the welfare and survival of future generations of us humans and all of the other creatures we share this planet with seems pretty typical of the rightwingnut retards who fill the ranks of this anti-science cult of AGW denial and serve as the "useful idiot" foot soldiers for the fossil fuel industry's continued profits from selling the stuff that is creating this climate change crisis. The Koch brothers and Exxon thank you for for being such a moronic dupe, Politiconned. Your descendants (if any) will curse you.
omg, why the hell are we suppose to care about your survival..
I said nothing about you caring about MY survival, nitwit. Are you so retarded you can't even comprehend simple English?
oh damn it's SUMMER and it's HOT...we are all GOING TO DIE...
So yeah, you are THAT retarded.... and completely clueless about what is going on too....please try to jerk your head out of your butthole, Stupidanie, before your brain suffocates....oops, obviously already too late for that.....
Here's something that corroborates what I've been saying, from a prominent meteorologist, Dr. Jeff Masters, who has studies and writes about this modern global warming/climate change crisis.
Global warming continues with no slow down
Dr. Jeff Masters
March 27, 2013
(excerpts)
One often hears the statement in the media that global warming stopped in 1998, or that there has been no global warming for the past 16 years. Why pick 16 years? Why not some nice round number like 20 years? Or better yet, 30 years, since the climate is generally defined as the average weather experienced over a period of 30 years or longer? Temperatures at Earth's surface undergo natural, decades-long warming and cooling trends, related to the La Niña/El Niño cycle and the 11-year sunspot cycle. The reason one often hears the year 1998 used as a base year to measure global temperature trends is that this is a cherry-picked year. An extraordinarily powerful El Niño event that was the strongest on record brought about a temporary increase in surface ocean temperatures over a vast area of the tropical Pacific that year, helping boost global surface temperatures to the highest levels on record (global temperatures were warmer in both 2005 and 2010, but not by much.) But in the years from 2005 - 2012, La Niña events have been present for at least a portion of every single year, helping keep Earth's surface relatively cool. Thus, if one draws a straight-line fit of global surface temperatures from 1998 to 2012, a climate trend showing little global warming results. If one picks any year prior to 1998, or almost any year after 1998, a global warming trend does result. The choice of 1998 is a deliberate abuse of statistics in an attempt to manipulate people into drawing a false conclusion on global temperature trends.
Correcting for natural causes to find the human contribution to global temperature changes
We know that natural global warming or cooling on time scales of 1 - 11 years can be caused by changes in the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) cycle, dust from volcanic eruptions, and changes in solar energy. For example, a study published in March 2013 in Geophysical Research Letters found that dust in the stratosphere has increased by 4 - 10% since 2000 due to volcanic eruptions, keeping the level of global warming up to 25% lower than might be expected. So, it is good to remove these natural causes of global temperature change over the past 34 years for which we have satellite data, to see what the human influence might have been during that time span. The three major surface temperature data sets (NCDC, GISS, and HadCRU) all show global temperatures have warmed by 0.16 - 0.17°C (0.28 - 0.30°F) per decade since satellite measurements began in 1979. The two satellite-based data sets of the lower atmosphere (UAH and RSS) give slightly less warming, about 0.14 - 0.15°C (.25 - .27°F) per decade (keep in mind that satellite measurements of the lower atmosphere temperature are affected much more strongly by volcanic eruptions and the El Niño phenomena than are surface-based measurements taken by weather stations.) A 2011 paper published by Grant Foster and Stefan Rahmstorf, "Global temperature evolution 1979- 2010", took the five major global temperature data sets and adjusted them to remove the influences of natural variations in sunlight, volcanic dust, and the El Niño/La Niña cycle. The researchers found that adjusting for these natural effects did not change the observed trend in global temperatures, which remained between 0.14 - 0.17°C (0.25 - 0.31°F) per decade in all five data sets. The warmest years since 1979 were 2010 and 2009 in all five adjusted data sets. Since the known natural causes of global warming have little to do with the observed increase in global temperatures over the past 34 years, either human activity or some unknown natural source is responsible for the global warming during that time period.
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Figure 3. Departure from average of annual global temperatures between 1979 - 2012, adjusted to remove natural variations due to the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) cycle, dust from volcanic eruptions, and changes in solar energy. The five most frequently-cited global temperature records are presented: surface temperature estimates by NASA's GISS, HadCRU from the UK Met Office, and NOAA's NCDC, and satellite-based lower-atmosphere estimates from Remote Sensing Systems, Inc. (RSS) and the University of Alabama Huntsville (UAH.) Image is an update (via realclimate.org) of one from a 2011 study, Global temperature evolution 1979 - 2010 , by Grant Foster and Stefan Rahmstorf, Environ. Res. Lett. 6, 2011, 044022 doi:10.1088/1748-9326/6/4/044022.
So ---- How come this "deep ocean absorption" wasn't part of the modeling? The models you're presenting here claim to based on knowledge we've had for a couple decades.
I'm not "presenting models"; I'm presenting the evidence that scientific studies have produced showing that, due to persistent La Nina events over the last eight years, a great deal of heat energy has been transferred to the ocean depths, thus slowing the rate of rise in surface air temperatures, even though global warming has not "paused" or "stopped", but in fact has continued to accelerate. Try and keep up with what is actually being said instead of getting lost in your straw man argument fantasies.
Where is this "thermal inertia" part of the IPCC modeling? And why doesn't it count for the 1W/m2 increase in solar irradiance that we've seen since the 1800s? Maybe all THAT got "stored in the deep oceans" also...
Sunspot activity has played a major role in long-term climate change.
The Maunder Minimum most likely caused the Little Ice Age.
The Recent Modern Maximum peaked in 1960.
Only 0.1 ° C of the 0.8 ° C of warming since the late 1800s is due to solar irradiance. Since direct satellite measurements (1980 present) solar contribution to the observed rapid warming is negligible.
In fact, the sun has been WEAKER while the climate WARMS since 1960.
There is no evidence that variations in the strength of the sun are the cause of the modern day climate change.
While the troposphere (the lower region of the atmosphere) has warmed, the stratosphere, just above it, has cooled. If solar changes provided the dominant forcing, warming would be expected in both atmospheric layers.
(source - slides 6,7,8,9 - you should watch the whole slide show)
Oceans are huge heatsinks. To have that effect SUDDENLY and CONVIENIENTLY kick in UNANTICIPATED and UNANNOUNCED (in a short number of years) just illustrates how this AGW sideshow isn't even out of "concept phase" yet..
Climate scientists have figured out quite a bit about what's happening but it is still a rapidly developing science and no one has ever claimed that they already know everything about the Earth's climate and the year to year impacts of anthropogenic global warming. Climate scientists are, however, nowhere near as clueless and ignorant as you bamboozled anti-science denier cult retards have been duped into thinking they are. La Nina events have been happening for at least a part of every year from 2005 to 2012, and they tend to draw surface heat into the ocean depths.
The fossil fuel industry's propaganda machine continues to grind out new pseudo-science and misinformation. Witness the recent spurt of bogus articles claiming something like "climate scientists are puzzled by halt in global warming for last 15 years". The Earth has continued to retain more of the sun's energy than it can radiate away into space due to the increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere that mankind has created, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels, but because the rise in surface temperatures has slowed down compared to the three previous decades of very rapid increases in surface temperatures, many people has misinterpreted that to mean that global warming has paused or is in a "lull". This is not true. The excess heat energy retained by the excess CO2 has been transferring itself to the ocean depths, but it will eventually return to the surface and radically increase surface temperatures once again in the next decade. Meanwhile, global warming has continued to manifest itself in the melting of the Arctic ice cap, Greenland, West Antarctica and the world's glaciers, as well as the many other symptoms, like the changing of seasonal timing and increases in extreme weather events.
Global warming is actually still accelerating and competent climate scientists are not puzzled about what is happening. Here's a good explanation of just what is really happening.
In Hot Water: Global Warming Has Accelerated In Past 15 Years, New Study Of Oceans Confirms
ClimateProgress
By Dana Nuccitelli
Mar 25, 2013
A new study of ocean warming has just been published in Geophysical Research Letters by Balmaseda, Trenberth, and Källén (2013). There are several important conclusions which can be drawn from this paper.
* Completely contrary to the popular contrarian myth, global warming has accelerated, with more overall global warming in the past 15 years than the prior 15 years. This is because about 90% of overall global warming goes into heating the oceans, and the oceans have been warming dramatically.
* As suspected, much of the missing heat Kevin Trenberth previously talked about has been found in the deep oceans. Consistent with the results of Nuccitelli et al. (2012), this study finds that 30% of the ocean warming over the past decade has occurred in the deeper oceans below 700 meters, which they note is unprecedented over at least the past half century.
* Some recent studies have concluded based on the slowed global surface warming over the past decade that the sensitivity of the climate to the increased greenhouse effect is somewhat lower than the IPCC best estimate. Those studies are fundamentally flawed because they do not account for the warming of the deep oceans.
* The slowed surface air warming over the past decade has lulled many people into a false and unwarranted sense of security.
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Figure 1: Ocean Heat Content from 0 to 300 meters (grey), 700 m (blue), and total depth (violet) from ORAS4, as represented by its 5 ensemble members.
(continued on website linked in article headline)
The fossil fuel industry's propaganda machine continues to grind out new pseudo-science and misinformation. Witness the recent spurt of bogus articles claiming something like "climate scientists are puzzled by halt in global warming for last 15 years". The Earth has continued to retain more of the sun's energy than it can radiate away into space due to the increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere that mankind has created, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels, but because the rise in surface temperatures has slowed down compared to the three previous decades of very rapid increases in surface temperatures, many people has misinterpreted that to mean that global warming has paused or is in a "lull". This is not true. The excess heat energy retained by the excess CO2 has been transferring itself to the ocean depths, but it will eventually return to the surface and radically increase surface temperatures once again in the next decade. Meanwhile, global warming has continued to manifest itself in the melting of the Arctic ice cap, Greenland, West Antarctica and the world's glaciers, as well as the many other symptoms, like the changing of seasonal timing and increases in extreme weather events.
Global warming is actually still accelerating and competent climate scientists are not puzzled about what is happening. Here's a good explanation of just what is really happening.
In Hot Water: Global Warming Has Accelerated In Past 15 Years, New Study Of Oceans Confirms
ClimateProgress
By Dana Nuccitelli
Mar 25, 2013
A new study of ocean warming has just been published in Geophysical Research Letters by Balmaseda, Trenberth, and Källén (2013). There are several important conclusions which can be drawn from this paper.
* Completely contrary to the popular contrarian myth, global warming has accelerated, with more overall global warming in the past 15 years than the prior 15 years. This is because about 90% of overall global warming goes into heating the oceans, and the oceans have been warming dramatically.
* As suspected, much of the ‘missing heat’ Kevin Trenberth previously talked about has been found in the deep oceans. Consistent with the results of Nuccitelli et al. (2012), this study finds that 30% of the ocean warming over the past decade has occurred in the deeper oceans below 700 meters, which they note is unprecedented over at least the past half century.
* Some recent studies have concluded based on the slowed global surface warming over the past decade that the sensitivity of the climate to the increased greenhouse effect is somewhat lower than the IPCC best estimate. Those studies are fundamentally flawed because they do not account for the warming of the deep oceans.
* The slowed surface air warming over the past decade has lulled many people into a false and unwarranted sense of security.
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Figure 1: Ocean Heat Content from 0 to 300 meters (grey), 700 m (blue), and total depth (violet) from ORAS4, as represented by its 5 ensemble members.
(continued on website linked in article headline)
oooooooooo, superfast....lol
Here's a good news summary of a scientific report published earlier this year in the journal Science.
Alarming new study on climate change says Earth's heat is accelerating superfast
The Examiner
March 10, 2013
(excerpts)
The latest report on climate change came out on Friday and the news isn't good. The study was released in Science magazine and it examines climate research done at Oregon State University (OSU). The geological team there combined current computer models with techniques that allowed them to glean information from past weather events by the use of ice core samples from polar regions and tree rings from different areas. They also studied temperature by testing for chemicals in the shells of tiny, fossilized sea creatures known as foraminifera. The researchers from OSU discovered the acceleration of warming is happening faster than anyone anticipated. Global temperatures are warmer now than about 75 percent of anything we've seen over the last 11,000 years or so," said Shaun Marcott, a geologist at OSU in a NPR report. "It's really the rates of change here that's amazing and atypical." Marcott explained it this way: "Here's what happened. After the end of the ice age, the planet got warmer. Then, 5,000 years ago, it started to get cooler but really slowly. In all, it cooled 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit, up until the last century or so. Then it flipped again global average temperature shot up. Temperatures now have gone from that cold period to the warm period in just 100 years. So it's taken just 100 years for the average temperature to change by 1.3 degrees, when it took 5,000 years to do that before."
Many scientists agree they are now in new climatic territory. When records are being broken at such accelerated rates, they face a situation unlike any before. You can start to see a shifting from one climate system to another. So the climate has in one sense actually changed and we are now entering a new series of climatic conditions that we just haven't seen before," said Tim Flannery, head of the Australian government's climate change commission in response to the OSU research. Climate scientists predict that 100-year weather events will continue to increase, because there is currently too much complacency about reducing the vast level of greenhouse gases that already exist in the atmosphere, much less curbing new emissions. "The climate changes to come are going to be larger than anything that human civilization and agriculture has seen in its entire existence," said Gavin Schmidt, a climate researcher at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. "And that is quite a sobering thought." Moreover, there is scientific consensus that such rapid warming is a testament to how the burning of fossil fuels is the dominating factor. UN climate chief, Christiana Figueres, was quoted as saying the new research indicates, staggering global temps show urgent need to act. Rapid climate change must be countered with accelerated action." But urgent action in the US Congress is not likely. Too many Republicans in Congress like James Inhofe (R-Ok), Lemar Smith (R-Tx) and Paul Broun (R-GA), believe that global warming is a hoax or that it is a phenomenon created by God that only He can control, so mankind is useless to stop it. Amazingly, these lawmakers hold key positions on science committees and have shown no interest in letting proven facts get in the way of their personal biases. Connections to petroleum industries and anti-science think tanks like the Heritage Foundation are suspected to be the real reason behind such increasingly laughable claims against the existence of global warming.