GOA to Sue the ATF's Bump Stock Ban

[Toronado3800]

It's eventually going to end up with nothing because reasonable people will be forced to go that way by the gun wackos.

I'm not totally sure which way you mean that.

Funny thing is your statement is so correct it will work either way.

I'm ok with nothing. I am ok with private gun ownership, but if we can't put some reasonable regulations in place then we will just have to do without.

Troll, there are already a boat load of regulations. Anything else infringes. You don't agree? No one cares what traitor gun banners like you think. Come get them/

yeah, resort to a threat of violence. That makes you and those who agree with you seem entirely reasonable.

As usual you are GD liar. I didn't threaten your sorry ass. Come get them traitor.

Ah,

so in your liberal dictionary word, what does "Come get them" mean lol.

If you're really dying to hand them guns over my apologies for just assuming you were speaking English.

 

[miketx]

I'm not totally sure which way you mean that.

Funny thing is your statement is so correct it will work either way.

I'm ok with nothing. I am ok with private gun ownership, but if we can't put some reasonable regulations in place then we will just have to do without.

Troll, there are already a boat load of regulations. Anything else infringes. You don't agree? No one cares what traitor gun banners like you think. Come get them/

yeah, resort to a threat of violence. That makes you and those who agree with you seem entirely reasonable.

As usual you are GD liar. I didn't threaten your sorry ass. Come get them traitor.

Ah,

so in your liberal dictionary word, what does "Come get them" mean lol.

If you're really dying to hand them guns over my apologies for just assuming you were speaking English.

Lying troll scum.

 

[Toronado3800]

I'm ok with nothing. I am ok with private gun ownership, but if we can't put some reasonable regulations in place then we will just have to do without.

Troll, there are already a boat load of regulations. Anything else infringes. You don't agree? No one cares what traitor gun banners like you think. Come get them/

yeah, resort to a threat of violence. That makes you and those who agree with you seem entirely reasonable.

As usual you are GD liar. I didn't threaten your sorry ass. Come get them traitor.

Ah,

so in your liberal dictionary word, what does "Come get them" mean lol.

If you're really dying to hand them guns over my apologies for just assuming you were speaking English.

Lying troll scum.

So my question about what you meant is a lie.... Are we speaking the same language?

When you told that other poster "No one cares what traitor gun banners like you think. Come get them" what did you mean? It SOUNDED like some kind of veiled threat you were too much of a coward to type the rest of,.

IF you really were inviting them over to come take some guns off your hands my apologies. Just say what you meant like a man. If you meant you'll defend your guns, man up and say it!

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm ok with nothing. I am ok with private gun ownership, but if we can't put some reasonable regulations in place then we will just have to do without.

Troll, there are already a boat load of regulations. Anything else infringes. You don't agree? No one cares what traitor gun banners like you think. Come get them/

yeah, resort to a threat of violence. That makes you and those who agree with you seem entirely reasonable.

As usual you are GD liar. I didn't threaten your sorry ass. Come get them traitor.

Ah,

so in your liberal dictionary word, what does "Come get them" mean lol.

If you're really dying to hand them guns over my apologies for just assuming you were speaking English.

Lying troll scum.

mike as a rule when you accuse someone of lying you are supposed to show where they lied and why its a lie

just saying it means they are right and you have no way to prove otherwise

 

[miketx]

Troll, there are already a boat load of regulations. Anything else infringes. You don't agree? No one cares what traitor gun banners like you think. Come get them/

yeah, resort to a threat of violence. That makes you and those who agree with you seem entirely reasonable.

As usual you are GD liar. I didn't threaten your sorry ass. Come get them traitor.

Ah,

so in your liberal dictionary word, what does "Come get them" mean lol.

If you're really dying to hand them guns over my apologies for just assuming you were speaking English.

Lying troll scum.

mike as a rule when you accuse someone of lying you are supposed to show where they lied and why its a lie

just saying it means they are right and you have no way to prove otherwise

You need to learn that these liberal trolls do not accept facts or proof of any kind. There is no point to showing them anything but the door.

 

[progressive hunter]

yeah, resort to a threat of violence. That makes you and those who agree with you seem entirely reasonable.

As usual you are GD liar. I didn't threaten your sorry ass. Come get them traitor.

Ah,

so in your liberal dictionary word, what does "Come get them" mean lol.

If you're really dying to hand them guns over my apologies for just assuming you were speaking English.

Lying troll scum.

mike as a rule when you accuse someone of lying you are supposed to show where they lied and why its a lie

just saying it means they are right and you have no way to prove otherwise

You need to learn that these liberal trolls do not accept facts or proof of any kind. There is no point to showing them anything but the door.

well youve been denying facts all day, so what should we do about that???

 

[miketx]

As usual you are GD liar. I didn't threaten your sorry ass. Come get them traitor.

Ah,

so in your liberal dictionary word, what does "Come get them" mean lol.

If you're really dying to hand them guns over my apologies for just assuming you were speaking English.

Lying troll scum.

mike as a rule when you accuse someone of lying you are supposed to show where they lied and why its a lie

just saying it means they are right and you have no way to prove otherwise

You need to learn that these liberal trolls do not accept facts or proof of any kind. There is no point to showing them anything but the door.

well youve been denying fap ling and then cts all day, so what should we do about that???

You should stop lying and then let muslims throw you off a building.

 

[progressive hunter]

Ah,

so in your liberal dictionary word, what does "Come get them" mean lol.

If you're really dying to hand them guns over my apologies for just assuming you were speaking English.

Lying troll scum.

mike as a rule when you accuse someone of lying you are supposed to show where they lied and why its a lie

just saying it means they are right and you have no way to prove otherwise

You need to learn that these liberal trolls do not accept facts or proof of any kind. There is no point to showing them anything but the door.

well youve been denying fap ling and then cts all day, so what should we do about that???

You should stop lying and then let muslims throw you off a building.

dont be so butt hurt and educate yourself, there is hope in truth

 

[SavannahMann]

The Second Amendment covers guns not bump stocks. Reasonable regulation does not violate the Constitution.

The definition of reasonable regulation is what we are trying to define. What is reasonable? It was reasonable to have blue laws covering among other things free speech, and those laws were struck down by the Supreme Court as a violation of the First Amendment. It was reasonable to “encourage” via physical means in order to get a man to confess, until it was struck down by the Supreme Court as a violation of the Cruel and Unusual punishment and the right not to testify against yourself.

A lot of things were reasonable. And now they aren’t. So what I am trying to find out is what everyone thinks is reasonable regulation. For the anti gunners, the reasonable restriction is a complete ban on private ownership. Is that going to be a mere reasonable restriction in the near future?

I dont see that in the 2nd amendment

the words are "shall not be infringed"...pretty simple

you cant have the very people the 2nd was meant to protect us against deciding what we can or cant have

Go join a militia if we're quoting the 2nd. It was written by a 3rd grader with ADD.

We can look at 1810 and see how the writers implimented it. Reading it....its like they left a flaw in there intentionally or screwed up.

The founders said that every able bodied male (actually it was every able bodied free male, meaning white, but I think we can adjust that to the modern interpretation of human unless you want to argue that women and minorities don’t have the same rights as white guys) was a member of the Militia and could be called up as needs the State. So everyone is already in the Militia.

That is the correct response.

One of the constitutionialists on here came back with an article about able bodied folks up to 45 years of age and this or that. It was pretty comical with its regulated vs unreglated and somewhat restrictive where I was waiting to read that sons of the Mayflowers, Trumps or Clintons did not need to join.

So yeah, join the National Guard and get your gun was my answer.

Well regulated meant the Governors could Commission Officers. To call up the Militia, what happened is an officer rode into town. The Census showed 100 able bodied free men in town. They were calling up twelve percent. So the Levy on the town was 12. More than that could volunteer, but the town was responsible for at least 12. If enough men did not volunteer, the men were “pressed” into service. Drafted to use the current term. These men had rifles, they were not issued firearms. Much like the Minutemen, they were already armed and had sufficient powder and shot for the deployment.

If the Militia was never activated in your town you were still counted as an able bodied free man.

The National Guard is not the modern equivalent to the Militia. It is more like the modern equivalent of the Armies of the 1850’s. They were part of the 20th Maine. Volunteers for a term of service.

 

[Rustic]

This all or nothing thing is going to end up with nothing or me owning an atomic weapon.

Let's not be ridiculous.

It's eventually going to end up with nothing because reasonable people will be forced to go that way by the gun wackos.

I'm not totally sure which way you mean that.

Funny thing is your statement is so correct it will work either way.

I'm ok with nothing. I am ok with private gun ownership, but if we can't put some reasonable regulations in place then we will just have to do without.

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay around $500 in fees just to keep a revolver in my own apartment legally.

How reasonable is that?

The fees are a bit restrictive, but the wait makes no difference as far as I'm concerned.

On the other end of things here in kansas I can walk into a pawn shop, sign the papers, and walk out concealed carrying with no phone or fees required. I can also have a compete arsenal in my basement. Again no permits or fees.

Some middle ground is needed.

Lol
There no reason for a waiting period with technology, you Fucking moron

 

[Rustic]

This all or nothing thing is going to end up with nothing or me owning an atomic weapon.

Let's not be ridiculous.

It's eventually going to end up with nothing because reasonable people will be forced to go that way by the gun wackos.

I'm not totally sure which way you mean that.

Funny thing is your statement is so correct it will work either way.

I'm ok with nothing. I am ok with private gun ownership, but if we can't put some reasonable regulations in place then we will just have to do without.

What I keep asking is what are those reasonable regulations? What are they? Everyone who is OK with the banning of the Bump stocks all say that it is a Reasonable Regulation. I see it as a Constitutional Violation.

Why? Not just the Second Amendment. You can not be deprived of Life, Liberty, or Property without due process of law. Due Process of law is not an announcement of turn it in and lose the money, or destroy it yourself, or go to jail. If we handled any other items that way the people would be outraged.

We object to Judges legislating from the Bench, why should we accept a man who is not even a Judge deciding what the law says, and announcing that we will have tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of new criminals based upon his whim?

If you want to ban them, then you have to pass a law doing so. Not just make an announcement and tell anyone who objects to shut the hell up. There will be a Stay in place by some Federal Judge before the New Year is here.

This is actually the sort of thing that Trump said was wrong with Washington.

Bump stocks are toys. Only fools spent money in them to start with.

True they are a gimmick, The same thing can be done by using a string or a rubber band.
But it is a slippery slope and nothing good will come from Banning them... Politically correct people are pussies

 

[Rustic]

I'm not totally sure which way you mean that.

Funny thing is your statement is so correct it will work either way.

I'm ok with nothing. I am ok with private gun ownership, but if we can't put some reasonable regulations in place then we will just have to do without.

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay around $500 in fees just to keep a revolver in my own apartment legally.

How reasonable is that?

The fees are a bit restrictive, but the wait makes no difference as far as I'm concerned.

On the other end of things here in kansas I can walk into a pawn shop, sign the papers, and walk out concealed carrying with no phone or fees required. I can also have a compete arsenal in my basement. Again no permits or fees.

Some middle ground is needed.

I'm thinking thats an boldfaced lie crepe, a pawnshop has an FFL and is subject to the same as any other FFL rules

They have to run me through the background check, last time I purchased it took about an hour. That's it.

Lol
When I sell Firearms to my customers I have Insta check it takes 2 to 4 minutes to run a background check which is entirely too long

 

[Rustic]

I'm not totally sure which way you mean that.

Funny thing is your statement is so correct it will work either way.

I'm ok with nothing. I am ok with private gun ownership, but if we can't put some reasonable regulations in place then we will just have to do without.

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay around $500 in fees just to keep a revolver in my own apartment legally.

How reasonable is that?

The fees are a bit restrictive, but the wait makes no difference as far as I'm concerned.

On the other end of things here in kansas I can walk into a pawn shop, sign the papers, and walk out concealed carrying with no phone or fees required. I can also have a compete arsenal in my basement. Again no permits or fees.

Some middle ground is needed.

Why is the wait not an issue? What are they waiting for? The whole purpose isn't to do a check, its to make the process so onerous people just quit.

How about we put a 10 day waiting period on abortions?

It's not to make people quit, it's to put a cooling off period between buying a pistol in a fit of anger/depression and offing yourself and you significant other.

And sure, put a ten day wait in abortions, I got not problem with that.

Lol
Shut the fuck up you fucking pussy whipped bitch, that has nothing to do with the waiting period, the waiting period Is a form of control so shut the fuck up you fucking moron....

 

[Rustic]

Bump stocks are a silly accessory, and only wannabe military types own them.

I am a stanch supporter of the 2 Amendment and love guns.

But have no problem with them being banned. ...

Yeah, but that's just a foot in the door.

You do know the LV shooter had real automatic weapons, correct?

Several of them, and 1 of the ARs barrel melted.

I say don't give them an inch, no ban on anything!

I say you are cuckoo. There is no reason to own a bump stock.

its not about your feelings

I could say there is no reason for you to be allowed to speak in public

It is a fact. A bump stock is not required to use a rifle.

Lol
Irrelevant, Fucking pieces of shit control freaks like yourselves need to shut the fuck up

 

[Rustic]

NRA Says Current Owners Should Be Allowed to Keep Bump Stocks

Lol
I’m going to have to refund my customers who bought bump stocks, because trump is turning into a progressive.
Pussy whipped fuckers

 

[Marion Morrison]

The definition of reasonable regulation is what we are trying to define. What is reasonable? It was reasonable to have blue laws covering among other things free speech, and those laws were struck down by the Supreme Court as a violation of the First Amendment. It was reasonable to “encourage” via physical means in order to get a man to confess, until it was struck down by the Supreme Court as a violation of the Cruel and Unusual punishment and the right not to testify against yourself.

A lot of things were reasonable. And now they aren’t. So what I am trying to find out is what everyone thinks is reasonable regulation. For the anti gunners, the reasonable restriction is a complete ban on private ownership. Is that going to be a mere reasonable restriction in the near future?

I dont see that in the 2nd amendment

the words are "shall not be infringed"...pretty simple

you cant have the very people the 2nd was meant to protect us against deciding what we can or cant have

Go join a militia if we're quoting the 2nd. It was written by a 3rd grader with ADD.

We can look at 1810 and see how the writers implimented it. Reading it....its like they left a flaw in there intentionally or screwed up.

The founders said that every able bodied male (actually it was every able bodied free male, meaning white, but I think we can adjust that to the modern interpretation of human unless you want to argue that women and minorities don’t have the same rights as white guys) was a member of the Militia and could be called up as needs the State. So everyone is already in the Militia.

That is the correct response.

One of the constitutionialists on here came back with an article about able bodied folks up to 45 years of age and this or that. It was pretty comical with its regulated vs unreglated and somewhat restrictive where I was waiting to read that sons of the Mayflowers, Trumps or Clintons did not need to join.

So yeah, join the National Guard and get your gun was my answer.

Well regulated meant the Governors could Commission Officers. To call up the Militia, what happened is an officer rode into town. The Census showed 100 able bodied free men in town. They were calling up twelve percent. So the Levy on the town was 12. More than that could volunteer, but the town was responsible for at least 12. If enough men did not volunteer, the men were “pressed” into service. Drafted to use the current term. These men had rifles, they were not issued firearms. Much like the Minutemen, they were already armed and had sufficient powder and shot for the deployment.

If the Militia was never activated in your town you were still counted as an able bodied free man.

The National Guard is not the modern equivalent to the Militia. It is more like the modern equivalent of the Armies of the 1850’s. They were part of the 20th Maine. Volunteers for a term of service.

"Well-regulated" in that day meant "In proper working order".

 

[Marion Morrison]

Troll, there are already a boat load of regulations. Anything else infringes. You don't agree? No one cares what traitor gun banners like you think. Come get them/

yeah, resort to a threat of violence. That makes you and those who agree with you seem entirely reasonable.

As usual you are GD liar. I didn't threaten your sorry ass. Come get them traitor.

Ah,

so in your liberal dictionary word, what does "Come get them" mean lol.

If you're really dying to hand them guns over my apologies for just assuming you were speaking English.

Lying troll scum.

mike as a rule when you accuse someone of lying you are supposed to show where they lied and why its a lie

just saying it means they are right and you have no way to prove otherwise

You need to kick it up a notch to miketx level.

When them fuckers "ask for facts", they're just sending one off on a squirrel chase. You come back with proof and they're in 2-3 more threads trolling those up and not returning to that one for hours. When they do come back hours later, they spew the same bullshit you debunked and hope nobody notices.

 

[miketx]

Lying troll scum.

mike as a rule when you accuse someone of lying you are supposed to show where they lied and why its a lie

just saying it means they are right and you have no way to prove otherwise

You need to learn that these liberal trolls do not accept facts or proof of any kind. There is no point to showing them anything but the door.

well youve been denying fap ling and then cts all day, so what should we do about that???

You should stop lying and then let muslims throw you off a building.

dont be so butt hurt and educate yourself, there is hope in truth

You're sounding more and more like a liberal troll.

 

[progressive hunter]

mike as a rule when you accuse someone of lying you are supposed to show where they lied and why its a lie

just saying it means they are right and you have no way to prove otherwise

You need to learn that these liberal trolls do not accept facts or proof of any kind. There is no point to showing them anything but the door.

well youve been denying fap ling and then cts all day, so what should we do about that???

You should stop lying and then let muslims throw you off a building.

dont be so butt hurt and educate yourself, there is hope in truth

You're sounding more and more like a liberal troll.

not sure but I think liberal trolls are against the 2nd, not for it

and you are sure not for it, so whos the liberal troll???

 

[miketx]

You need to learn that these liberal trolls do not accept facts or proof of any kind. There is no point to showing them anything but the door.

well youve been denying fap ling and then cts all day, so what should we do about that???

You should stop lying and then let muslims throw you off a building.

dont be so butt hurt and educate yourself, there is hope in truth

You're sounding more and more like a liberal troll.

not sure but I think liberal trolls are against the 2nd, not for it

and you are sure not for it, so whos the liberal troll???

You are. And now, we are done.