God created evil for his pleasure. Do you recognize the pleasure of creating and doing evil?

[Carl in Michigan]

The NT picks up where Jesus is pissed and hates every Jewish Jew and loves every scoundrel and ignoramus he encounters.
Jesus also talks to his mother and family like they're pieces of shit

You have a lot to learn

Such as?
Be a man...don't pussy out on me.

It's up to you to provide the examples. You made claims based on your OPINION as a Christian hating Jew.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The NT picks up where Jesus is pissed and hates every Jewish Jew and loves every scoundrel and ignoramus he encounters.
Jesus also talks to his mother and family like they're pieces of shit

You have a lot to learn

Giving Thumbs Down...
You'd do better to prove me wrong.

Poor baby. Why do your rabbis fill the heart of the Jew with so much hate?

 

[Indeependent]

The NT picks up where Jesus is pissed and hates every Jewish Jew and loves every scoundrel and ignoramus he encounters.
Jesus also talks to his mother and family like they're pieces of shit

You have a lot to learn

Such as?
Be a man...don't pussy out on me.

It's up to you to provide the examples. You made claims based on your OPINION as a Christian hating Jew.

I presume you went to college and took at least one history or literary course.
Who has to prove anything?
The original or the one who comes along to negate the original?

 

[toobfreak]

I was thinking of his point a few weeks ago..

God created the world/ universe

God created man and woman

God created the devil

God created death/ killed the first animal in the garden of eden to feed Adam and Eve

God created sin

God came down from heaven and died for our sins

We believe in god

We die

We go to heaven

We run around sing songs for god in heaven, cant get married (and I assume no sex allowed)

Why was God so bored and vane, what was the point in all of this grand experiment?

YOU are a student of the Bible? And this is what you got?
God did not create the Devil, The Devil came about from his own actions falling from the grace of God.
God did not create death, death is the result of being apart from God and repeating the cycle of material life and rebirth.
God did not create sin, man created sin by opposing God for the pleasures of the flesh.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Who has to prove anything?

You do. You made statement of Opinion and backed up nothing.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I was thinking of his point a few weeks ago..

God created the world/ universe

God created man and woman

God created the devil

God created death/ killed the first animal in the garden of eden to feed Adam and Eve

God created sin

God came down from heaven and died for our sins

We believe in god

We die

We go to heaven

We run around sing songs for god in heaven, cant get married (and I assume no sex allowed)

Why was God so bored and vane, what was the point in all of this grand experiment?

YOU are a student of the Bible? And this is what you got?
God did not create the Devil, The Devil came about from his own actions falling from the grace of God.
God did not create death, death is the result of being apart from God and repeating the cycle of material life and rebirth.
God did not create sin, man created sin by opposing God for the pleasures of the flesh.

Exactly.

 

[Indeependent]

God created evil for his pleasure. Do you recognize the pleasure of creating and doing evil?

Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Some people have what has been termed, the problem of evil. Many cannot fathom why, if god is good, he would create evil. Yet the scriptures are clear that god created evil for his pleasure.

It may be due to my criminal mind and delinquent attitude, but I think I know why. I wondered if you ands others had also dithered out a reasonable answer to show why sin and evil are required for god’s plan and our mental and moral development.

This fact is likely why the ancient Christians determined that sin was necessary for our development. They sing that Adam furthered god’s plan by his sin.

To them, even as Christianity and I clash, and the intelligent position, is that to not sin or do evil, is to derail god’s plan.

In this, issue, I happen to agree with the scriptures and Christians who say the sin and evil is good and necessary to god’s plan.

Do you?

Regards
DL

G-d hates evil,
He only created it to give humanity freedom of choice.

Scriptures say that god does not allow freedom of choice.

This link imbedded below shows that clearly.
------------------
Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.



Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Strange that you think god would create a plan where he was forced to do something he did not like, especially given that quite that you have torn out of your bible, or choose to ignore.

Will you also ignore the many quotes in that link?

If so, why call yourself a Christian?

Regards
DL

What scriptures and verse are You relying on?

Torah says: "This day, I call upon the heaven and the earth as witnesses [that I have warned] you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. You shall choose life, so that you and your offspring will live;"

- Devarim 30:19​

I gave the only quote I needed in the O.P.

As a Jew, if I read you right, I am surprised that you would be a literalist given what your wiser than Christian ancients thought. Heel, Christianity even took the androgyny out of Yahweh when they usurped him from Jewry and reversed the moral of the story of Eden from your Original Virtue to their silly Original Sin view.

When did you become a literalist? Rabbi Hillel would be shocked and disappointed in you.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

What is God?

Further.
Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.



Regards
DL

So when replying to a Jew with "scriptures say", what point is there to quote from NT?

Literalist or not, it has nothing to do with the question at hand.
If you can't prove it from the text then its simply irrelevant.

Let's look at it from another angle - when G-d commands Eve not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge, how could she do otherwise if there wasn't freedom of choice?

Don't send me to videos,
try explaining on your own using logic.

Oh NO!
He posted NT bullshit to prove a Torah verse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But seriously, do You know,
is it personal interpretation of that individual,
or does the NT actually preach humanity has no free will?

The NT reiterates ad nauseum that human activity is worthless and humans reply on Grace alone.
That's how Paul eliminated the Commandments.
The problem is that The Gospel According to Mark has one chapter that is filled with negative Commandments.
Let's put it this way...the NT, when read verse by verse, can cause a normal being to become a psychotic murderer.

Psychotic murderer doubled with Oedipus complex?

And then the doctrine of spilling the blood of a Jew
as the ultimate way to forgiveness?

Historically that explains much, especially last century.

The Gospel According to John, verse by verse, is by far the worst considering the worthlessness of human life.
Basically, almost everybody will burn in hell despite their deeds.
Constantine must have loved this Gospel.

It doesnt say that. Why must you lie?

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First of all, where in heck is the precedent for the ultimate savior not being born of a human?

 

[Newtonian]

God created evil for his pleasure. Do you recognize the pleasure of creating and doing evil?

Rev 4;11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Some people have what has been termed, the problem of evil. Many cannot fathom why, if god is good, he would create evil. Yet the scriptures are clear that god created evil for his pleasure.

It may be due to my criminal mind and delinquent attitude, but I think I know why. I wondered if you ands others had also dithered out a reasonable answer to show why sin and evil are required for god’s plan and our mental and moral development.

This fact is likely why the ancient Christians determined that sin was necessary for our development. They sing that Adam furthered god’s plan by his sin.

To them, even as Christianity and I clash, and the intelligent position, is that to not sin or do evil, is to derail god’s plan.

In this, issue, I happen to agree with the scriptures and Christians who say the sin and evil is good and necessary to god’s plan.

Do you?

Regards
DL

G-d hates evil,
He only created it to give humanity freedom of choice.

Scriptures say that god does not allow freedom of choice.

This link imbedded below shows that clearly.
------------------
Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.



Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Strange that you think god would create a plan where he was forced to do something he did not like, especially given that quite that you have torn out of your bible, or choose to ignore.

Will you also ignore the many quotes in that link?

If so, why call yourself a Christian?

Regards
DL

What scriptures and verse are You relying on?

Torah says: "This day, I call upon the heaven and the earth as witnesses [that I have warned] you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. You shall choose life, so that you and your offspring will live;"

- Devarim 30:19​

I gave the only quote I needed in the O.P.

As a Jew, if I read you right, I am surprised that you would be a literalist given what your wiser than Christian ancients thought. Heel, Christianity even took the androgyny out of Yahweh when they usurped him from Jewry and reversed the moral of the story of Eden from your Original Virtue to their silly Original Sin view.

When did you become a literalist? Rabbi Hillel would be shocked and disappointed in you.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

What is God?

Further.
Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.



Regards
DL

So when replying to a Jew with "scriptures say", what point is there to quote from NT?

Literalist or not, it has nothing to do with the question at hand.
If you can't prove it from the text then its simply irrelevant.

Let's look at it from another angle - when G-d commands Eve not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge, how could she do otherwise if there wasn't freedom of choice?

Don't send me to videos,
try explaining on your own using logic.

Yes, Adam and Eve had a choice to eat of the forbidden fruit or not to eat.

Also, if Jehovah knew she would eat of the fruit - the test of obedience would have been a sham.

That Jehovah did not know the wicked outcome is shown by His being hurt at heart when the wickedness had grown intolerably worse shortly before the flood - note:

Genesis 6:6
And Jehovah felt regrets+ that he had made men in the earth, and he felt hurt at his heart.+

Knew or not that's a whole other discussion.
G-d knows any of possible outcomes that free choice can lead to,
but gave humanity to decide what its due. Fact remains - there's freedom of choice

But what you're referring to in Genesis is not regret, that's mistranslated.
'Vayinahem' is from the root of consolation, sort of, for lack of better term in English.

Well, of course, Jehovah knew that Adam and Eve would die IF they ate the fruit. God's mercy is shown in the definition of "day" (Psalms 90:4) that He chose to use in carrying out the death sentence - Adam lived 930 years, just short of a 1,000 year long day. And we wouldn't be here if Jehovah had not shown them mercy in letting them live way longer than needed for them to have children.

As my mom used to say: "if" is a mighty big word!

On feeling regrets our literature goes into detail as to what this means in Biblical context. For example as to why Jehovah did not destroy Nineveh in 40 days as he had Jonah preach. [He felt sorry for them - see the end of the book of Jonah.]

Genesis 6:6 links feeling regrets to being hurt at heart. But those people were not repentant like the Ninevites were.

In my next post I will research the Hebrew word you referenced - translated feeling regrets:

 

[Indeependent]

I was thinking of his point a few weeks ago..

God created the world/ universe

God created man and woman

God created the devil

God created death/ killed the first animal in the garden of eden to feed Adam and Eve

God created sin

God came down from heaven and died for our sins

We believe in god

We die

We go to heaven

We run around sing songs for god in heaven, cant get married (and I assume no sex allowed)

Why was God so bored and vane, what was the point in all of this grand experiment?

YOU are a student of the Bible? And this is what you got?
God did not create the Devil, The Devil came about from his own actions falling from the grace of God.
God did not create death, death is the result of being apart from God and repeating the cycle of material life and rebirth.
God did not create sin, man created sin by opposing God for the pleasures of the flesh.

Exactly.

John 1:17...Human effort is worthless.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I was thinking of his point a few weeks ago..

God created the world/ universe

God created man and woman

God created the devil

God created death/ killed the first animal in the garden of eden to feed Adam and Eve

God created sin

God came down from heaven and died for our sins

We believe in god

We die

We go to heaven

We run around sing songs for god in heaven, cant get married (and I assume no sex allowed)

Why was God so bored and vane, what was the point in all of this grand experiment?

YOU are a student of the Bible? And this is what you got?
God did not create the Devil, The Devil came about from his own actions falling from the grace of God.
God did not create death, death is the result of being apart from God and repeating the cycle of material life and rebirth.
God did not create sin, man created sin by opposing God for the pleasures of the flesh.

Exactly.

John 1:17...Human effort is worthless.

What is your point. I agree with that. If you dont understand, AXE. But I dont have all day to convince you of your error. Hate blocks understanding, "for the carnal mind is enmity against God."

 

[Indeependent]

John 1:19-28...
The Book of Malachi explicitly states that without the coming of Elijah to the whole world...no Moshiah.
Black and White,
Elijah hasn't come yet to the whole world.

 

[Indeependent]

John 1:26...
Hey guys, I'm not Elijah. In fact, you don't know who I am, but believe me.
Huh?

 

[Indeependent]

John 1:29-34...
A private revelation to change a religion that started with a national revelation!
Where does Tanach say that's going to occur.
If anything, the end of Malachi says Elijah comes to the whole world.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

John 1:26...
Hey guys, I'm not Elijah. In fact, you don't know who I am, but believe me.
Huh?

You literally make no sense

 

[Indeependent]

John 1:45...
Find in Tanach what is stated here.
This verse states that Tanach recorded this would happen...give me the verses.

 

[Indeependent]

John 1:26...
Hey guys, I'm not Elijah. In fact, you don't know who I am, but believe me.
Huh?

You literally make no sense

Read the verse and correct me.

 

[Indeependent]

I was thinking of his point a few weeks ago..

God created the world/ universe

God created man and woman

God created the devil

God created death/ killed the first animal in the garden of eden to feed Adam and Eve

God created sin

God came down from heaven and died for our sins

We believe in god

We die

We go to heaven

We run around sing songs for god in heaven, cant get married (and I assume no sex allowed)

Why was God so bored and vane, what was the point in all of this grand experiment?

YOU are a student of the Bible? And this is what you got?
God did not create the Devil, The Devil came about from his own actions falling from the grace of God.
God did not create death, death is the result of being apart from God and repeating the cycle of material life and rebirth.
God did not create sin, man created sin by opposing God for the pleasures of the flesh.

Exactly.

John 1:17...Human effort is worthless.

What is your point. I agree with that. If you dont understand, AXE. But I dont have all day to convince you of your error. Hate blocks understanding, "for the carnal mind is enmity against God."

Explain why human effort is worthless when the antecedent in Judaism is that human effort is everything in God's opinion.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

John 1:26...
Hey guys, I'm not Elijah. In fact, you don't know who I am, but believe me.
Huh?

How do your words even relate to this Scripture? You just ramble

John told them, “I baptize with water, but right here in the crowd is someone you do not recognize

 

[Indeependent]

John 1:51...
Has not happened yet.
This fact cannot be denied.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I was thinking of his point a few weeks ago..

God created the world/ universe

God created man and woman

God created the devil

God created death/ killed the first animal in the garden of eden to feed Adam and Eve

God created sin

God came down from heaven and died for our sins

We believe in god

We die

We go to heaven

We run around sing songs for god in heaven, cant get married (and I assume no sex allowed)

Why was God so bored and vane, what was the point in all of this grand experiment?

YOU are a student of the Bible? And this is what you got?
God did not create the Devil, The Devil came about from his own actions falling from the grace of God.
God did not create death, death is the result of being apart from God and repeating the cycle of material life and rebirth.
God did not create sin, man created sin by opposing God for the pleasures of the flesh.

Exactly.

John 1:17...Human effort is worthless.

What is your point. I agree with that. If you dont understand, AXE. But I dont have all day to convince you of your error. Hate blocks understanding, "for the carnal mind is enmity against God."

Explain why human effort is worthless when the antecedent in Judaism is that human effort is everything in God's opinion.

Because you are a sinner and you have no claim to life. THERE IS A PENALTY THAT MUST BE PAID