God is the only rational explanation for the existence of the universe.

[del]

there is nothing rational about god

There's nothing rational about Del, but she is allowed to coexist.

del is a he and nobody allows me anything, sugartits

 

[del]

there is nothing rational about god

Can you give me an example of God's irrationality?

yes

 

[ding]

Think about it. Nothing physical can create itself. This is a scientific fact. So if the universe wasn't created, then why does it exist? The only thing that makes sense is that it was created.

Right it's impossible for God to have created himself.
Case closed, there is no God.

The only solution to the first cause is something which is eternal and unchanging.

Nothing is eternal and unchanging.

Nothing in our universe is eternal and unchanging.

The solution to the first cause conundrum must be, otherwise there is no solution, which means that would make it eternal and unchanging. It seems there is no way of avoiding it.

 

[ding]

there is nothing rational about god

Can you give me an example of God's irrationality?

yes

Shoot.

Don't be shy, just blurt it right out. I promise I won't make fun of you.

 

[ding]

there is nothing rational about god

There's nothing rational about Del, but she is allowed to coexist.

del is a he and nobody allows me anything, sugartits

Sugartits sounds like a good thing, but it's not practical.

 

[Slyhunter]

Think about it. Nothing physical can create itself. This is a scientific fact. So if the universe wasn't created, then why does it exist? The only thing that makes sense is that it was created.

Right it's impossible for God to have created himself.
Case closed, there is no God.

The only solution to the first cause is something which is eternal and unchanging.

Nothing is eternal and unchanging.

Nothing in our universe is eternal and unchanging.

The solution to the first cause conundrum must be, otherwise there is no solution, which means that would make it eternal and unchanging. It seems there is no way of avoiding it.

Nothing in our universe is eternal and unchanging.
It was born, it grew, it grew old, and it will die eventually.
Now if you had said multiverse then maybe.

 

[task0778]

Think about it. Nothing physical can create itself. This is a scientific fact. So if the universe wasn't created, then why does it exist? The only thing that makes sense is that it was created.

Right it's impossible for God to have created himself.
Case closed, there is no God.

The only solution to the first cause is something which is eternal and unchanging.

Nothing is eternal and unchanging.

Says who? You? Got any data to back that up? No, you don't. Have you ever considered the possibility that there's a lotta stuff you don't know? Or stuff that nobody else knows either? Things or entities or forces that do not obey our physical laws as we know them.

 

[RWNJ]

Think about it. Nothing physical can create itself. This is a scientific fact. So if the universe wasn't created, then why does it exist? The only thing that makes sense is that it was created.

Right it's impossible for God to have created himself.
Case closed, there is no God.

It is impossible for something PHYSICAL to create itself. God is not physical. He has no beginning, so He did not need to be created .

 

[RWNJ]

Think about it. Nothing physical can create itself. This is a scientific fact. So if the universe wasn't created, then why does it exist? The only thing that makes sense is that it was created.

Right it's impossible for God to have created himself.
Case closed, there is no God.

The only solution to the first cause is something which is eternal and unchanging.

Nothing is eternal and unchanging.

Says who? You? Got any data to back that up? No, you don't. Have you ever considered the possibility that there's a lotta stuff you don't know? Or stuff that nobody else knows either? Things or entities or forces that do not obey our physical laws as we know them.

If there is no God, then where did the physical laws come from? Order cannot come from chaos.

 

[Jackson]

there is nothing rational about god

There's nothing rational about Del, but she is allowed to coexist.

del is a he and nobody allows me anything, sugartits

Now I know. Thank you.

 

[task0778]

Think about it. Nothing physical can create itself. This is a scientific fact. So if the universe wasn't created, then why does it exist? The only thing that makes sense is that it was created.

Right it's impossible for God to have created himself.
Case closed, there is no God.

The only solution to the first cause is something which is eternal and unchanging.

Nothing is eternal and unchanging.

Says who? You? Got any data to back that up? No, you don't. Have you ever considered the possibility that there's a lotta stuff you don't know? Or stuff that nobody else knows either? Things or entities or forces that do not obey our physical laws as we know them.

If there is no God, then where did the physical laws come from? Order cannot come from chaos.

I did not say there was no God. But I didn't say there was either, merely that we cannot know who, what, how, or why anything happened that lead to the Big Bang. You say order cannot come from chaos, which may be true in today's universe but not necessarily so in the time before the universe was created and our physical laws came into being. You can put the label of GOD as an answer to the who, what, why, and how question and that's fine. We humans tend to try to find answers based on our limited view of reality as we know it; but I think our limited view of reality is not the totality of reality, there's a lotta stuff we just do not know. We don't even know what we don't know.

FWIW, I think that saying GOD is the name of whatever got the ball rolling and our universe was created is a valid and rational idea. Since no natural answer explains anything, we are by default left with a supernatural explanation => GOD. I don't need to understand how God was created, that doesn't matter.

 

[BULLDOG]

There exists absolutely no evidence that life emerged from some chemical soup. The simplest cell is the virus cell, and it contains thousands of individual parts. All of these parts would have had to be created individually, in close proximity, and then put together properly. Want to figure the odds on that occurring by accident?

Much of the "theory" of evolution is valid, and much of it is pure conjecture. Science and science fiction.

As hard as it is to imagine how that single massively complex virus cell could come into being without someone creating it, how much harder would it to believe that an all knowing, omnipotent God could come into being without someone creating it. Who created God?

 

[undertherqadar]

There exists absolutely no evidence that life emerged from some chemical soup. The simplest cell is the virus cell, and it contains thousands of individual parts. All of these parts would have had to be created individually, in close proximity, and then put together properly. Want to figure the odds on that occurring by accident?

Much of the "theory" of evolution is valid, and much of it is pure conjecture. Science and science fiction.

Must understand the word the scientific definition of the word theory

 

[Wyatt earp]

there is nothing rational about god

We know he had a sense of humor when he made you.

 

[RWNJ]

There exists absolutely no evidence that life emerged from some chemical soup. The simplest cell is the virus cell, and it contains thousands of individual parts. All of these parts would have had to be created individually, in close proximity, and then put together properly. Want to figure the odds on that occurring by accident?

Much of the "theory" of evolution is valid, and much of it is pure conjecture. Science and science fiction.

Must understand the word the scientific definition of the word theory

Evolution does not use the scientific method. Therefore, it is not a theory. It's not even science.

 

[edthecynic]

It is impossible for something PHYSICAL to create itself. God is not physical. He has no beginning, so He did not need to be created .

Since God is not a physical thing, then no physical thing can come from it.
Nothing comes from nothing (Latin: ex nihilo nihil fit)
- Parmenides.

 

[Jackson]

It is impossible for something PHYSICAL to create itself. God is not physical. He has no beginning, so He did not need to be created .

Since God is not a physical thing, then no physical thing can come from it.
Nothing comes from nothing (Latin: ex nihilo nihil fit)
- Parmenides.

And Parmenides is the authority of all that has to be understood? I believe he is a mere man, warts and all.

 

[edthecynic]

It is impossible for something PHYSICAL to create itself. God is not physical. He has no beginning, so He did not need to be created .

Since God is not a physical thing, then no physical thing can come from it.
Nothing comes from nothing (Latin: ex nihilo nihil fit)
- Parmenides.

And Parmenides is the authority of all that has to be understood? I believe he is a mere man, warts and all.

The most fundamental maxim of all reason, and all science, and all philosophy is the maxim, “ex nihilo nihil fit” out of nothing, nothing comes.

 

[Jackson]

It is impossible for something PHYSICAL to create itself. God is not physical. He has no beginning, so He did not need to be created .

Since God is not a physical thing, then no physical thing can come from it.
Nothing comes from nothing (Latin: ex nihilo nihil fit)
- Parmenides.

And Parmenides is the authority of all that has to be understood? I believe he is a mere man, warts and all.

The most fundamental maxim of all reason, and all science, and all philosophy is the maxim, “ex nihilo nihil fit” out of nothing, nothing comes.

If there was ever a time when there was nothing, there would be nothing now.

 

[edthecynic]

It is impossible for something PHYSICAL to create itself. God is not physical. He has no beginning, so He did not need to be created .

Since God is not a physical thing, then no physical thing can come from it.
Nothing comes from nothing (Latin: ex nihilo nihil fit)
- Parmenides.

And Parmenides is the authority of all that has to be understood? I believe he is a mere man, warts and all.

The most fundamental maxim of all reason, and all science, and all philosophy is the maxim, “ex nihilo nihil fit” out of nothing, nothing comes.

If there was ever a time when there was nothing, there would be nothing now.

Exactly, since God is no thing, nothing can come from God!