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Good BBC article on US presidential elections

We just had an election and that guy won a grand total of one seat. People in the UK are laughing at Trump rather than taking him seriously. To be honest Donald Duck has more credibility than Donald Trump.


Which raises all kinds of question about what is wrong with your election process.


Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Widespread organised child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities.[1] In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve.[2] A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling of the abuse.


...It conservatively estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men.
[7] Abuses described by the report included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children.[6]
Members of the British-Pakistani community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism


There is no way that is accurately reflecting the Will of the People when you have scandals like that occurring.

I dont think that anybody pretends that there is a perfect system in place in Britain. Your last sentence is beyond me. Perhaps you could explain your point in simpler terms.

It was a reference back to your statement that the anti-immigration populist only got one seat.

Considering the utter disaster your immigration policy is, for that to happen, that has to be a problem in your system.

I refuse to believe that that policy can actually be the Will of the People.

You are assuming that our immigration policy is an utter disaster. Nobody is pretending that everything is perfect but things are generally fine in the uk where there is an instinctive aversion to extreme politics of any kind.

You wouldnt condemn the whole Italian American community for the actions of the Mafia would you ?



I am not assuming anything.

I have read up on the recurring problem your nation is having with industrial scale Rape Rings and I conclude based on that, and the pathetic way that your government handles these problems that your immigration policy is a utter disaster.

There is no way that any population would choose this course for themselves.

This is obviously the result of an out of touch, out of ideas Political Class combined with a broken political process that has muted the Will of the People for redress.

Even in the areas that these crimes occurred there was not enough support for extremist politics.

Your conclusions are based on assumptions that are not based on fact.

The people involved in these crimes have been charged,tried and imprisoned. There have been enquiries into these incidents. What more would you have the government do ?

I realise that this doesnt fit with your agenda but there you have it.
 
Which raises all kinds of question about what is wrong with your election process.


Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no way that is accurately reflecting the Will of the People when you have scandals like that occurring.

I dont think that anybody pretends that there is a perfect system in place in Britain. Your last sentence is beyond me. Perhaps you could explain your point in simpler terms.

It was a reference back to your statement that the anti-immigration populist only got one seat.

Considering the utter disaster your immigration policy is, for that to happen, that has to be a problem in your system.

I refuse to believe that that policy can actually be the Will of the People.

You are assuming that our immigration policy is an utter disaster. Nobody is pretending that everything is perfect but things are generally fine in the uk where there is an instinctive aversion to extreme politics of any kind.

You wouldnt condemn the whole Italian American community for the actions of the Mafia would you ?



I am not assuming anything.

I have read up on the recurring problem your nation is having with industrial scale Rape Rings and I conclude based on that, and the pathetic way that your government handles these problems that your immigration policy is a utter disaster.

There is no way that any population would choose this course for themselves.

This is obviously the result of an out of touch, out of ideas Political Class combined with a broken political process that has muted the Will of the People for redress.

Even in the areas that these crimes occurred there was not enough support for extremist politics.

Your conclusions are based on assumptions that are not based on fact.

The people involved in these crimes have been charged,tried and imprisoned. There have been enquiries into these incidents. What more would you have the government do ?

I realise that this doesnt fit with your agenda but there you have it.



Change the polices that led to the crimes and led to them being ignored for years.


I made no assumptions.

I explained my reasoning. YOu have been able to point out no flaws in it.
 
I read BBC every morning and there is absolutely nothing unbiased about its political bent when it comes to the US. It supports Obama's agenda and looks favorably upon Sanders' socialist agenda.

Let them keep theirs and leave us alone!!!
 
Remember when you insisted that Palin was the victim of a vindictive media......and then it turned out that she is every bit the moron the media was portraying?


No.

Her career in Alaska politics certainly does not seem the work of a moron.

Sarah Palin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For how many terms did she practice her love?


Several.

Her career in Alaska politics certainly does not seem the work of a moron.

She served less than one term as Governor......as mayor of Wasilla she was fiscally reckless......which probably made her appealing to the Supply Side Hucksters who shoehorned her into the political spotlight...


YOu disagreed with her policies and her ideology.

I understand that as a liberal that you assume that means she is a moron.

But I do not share your belief system and will not allow it to define my reality .

Her career was impressive and not the career of a moron, despite the fact that she made different choices than you would.


I think increasing Wasilla's debt, in 6 years, by a factor of 22 is well beyond "interpretation".... But it is totes Supply Side...
 
That doesn't mean they're telling America what to do, it means the reporter took an angle on the election that might interest people with some intelligence.
He isn't a reporter, he's a journalist. do you know the difference? Reporters report the news. Journalists create the news. No one with a brain over here gives a fuck on how some Brit thinks we should elect our leaders.

IceIce,

In order of the time spent with each, would you list the sources on which you rely for your edification?
Right after you list all the reasons I should give a fuck about what a stupid asshole on an internet forum thinks.

IceIce,

I can appreciate your reticence. ..but why are you ashamed of being a stooge of Reich Wing Infotainment Media?
You are like JoeB, maybe you are JoeB. Your sole purpose here is to insult people that don't hold your mindless ideology.

I am not at all ashamed to reveal my daily reads...... What does that suggest to you?
 
She served less than one term as Governor......as mayor of Wasilla she was fiscally reckless......which probably made her appealing to the Supply Side Hucksters who shoehorned her into the political spotlight...

Palin Endorses Trump, But Not His Economic Policies
Summary of Sarah Palin's Economic Views

As Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin demonstrated her position on energy and oil prices, a balanced budget, cutting taxes, and spurring economic growth. However, this position didn't give her experience on many important national topics, such as free trade, military spending and any stimulus to the financial crisis.

Palin Supported a Balanced Budget and Tax Relief
Palin's commitment to fiscal responsibility would be good for the economy. Before becoming Governor, Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, where she cut property taxes 60% while spurring economic growth. She sold a $2.1 million corporate jet bought by her predecessor, and cut $231 million from Alaska's $550 million capital budget. She would try to cut the federal debt.
(Source: WSJ, "Jet That Helped Defeat an Alaska Governor Is Sold," August 25, 2007; Alaska Journal of Commerce, "Lawmakers cringe over governor's deep budget cuts," July 8, 2007)


That's fine.

One of the major themes of the Left is that Trump is Evul. (racist, greedy, whatever)

Palin is a very nice and likable person.

Her endorsement will weaken that line of attack.

One might think that someone so nice and likeable would not have crashed and burned as a Reality TV star in such a short time...

According to a recent poll, her yammering is less welcome to Americans than the blatherskite issuing from Jesse Jackson....
 
I dont think that anybody pretends that there is a perfect system in place in Britain. Your last sentence is beyond me. Perhaps you could explain your point in simpler terms.

It was a reference back to your statement that the anti-immigration populist only got one seat.

Considering the utter disaster your immigration policy is, for that to happen, that has to be a problem in your system.

I refuse to believe that that policy can actually be the Will of the People.

You are assuming that our immigration policy is an utter disaster. Nobody is pretending that everything is perfect but things are generally fine in the uk where there is an instinctive aversion to extreme politics of any kind.

You wouldnt condemn the whole Italian American community for the actions of the Mafia would you ?



I am not assuming anything.

I have read up on the recurring problem your nation is having with industrial scale Rape Rings and I conclude based on that, and the pathetic way that your government handles these problems that your immigration policy is a utter disaster.

There is no way that any population would choose this course for themselves.

This is obviously the result of an out of touch, out of ideas Political Class combined with a broken political process that has muted the Will of the People for redress.

Even in the areas that these crimes occurred there was not enough support for extremist politics.

Your conclusions are based on assumptions that are not based on fact.

The people involved in these crimes have been charged,tried and imprisoned. There have been enquiries into these incidents. What more would you have the government do ?

I realise that this doesnt fit with your agenda but there you have it.



Change the polices that led to the crimes and led to them being ignored for years.


I made no assumptions.

I explained my reasoning. YOu have been able to point out no flaws in it.

Perhaps you do not understand the word "assumption" ?

Look it must be a bit galling when the actual facts dont fit your bigot agenda but thats the way it is. There is no reasoning in your assumptions and no insight.You have a blinkered narrow vision of Britain and do not have the intellect to question your world view. You need to read some different books.
 
The BBC has been anti-American, anti-Christian and biased for years.

We are biased, admit the stars of BBC News

...At the secret meeting in London last month, which was hosted by veteran broadcaster Sue Lawley, BBC executives admitted the corporation is dominated by homosexuals and people from ethnic minorities, deliberately promotes multiculturalism, is anti-American, anti-countryside and more sensitive to the feelings of Muslims than Christians.

One veteran BBC executive said: 'There was widespread acknowledgement that we may have gone too far in the direction of political correctness.

'Unfortunately, much of it is so deeply embedded in the BBC's culture, that it is very hard to change it.'...

We are biased, admit the stars of BBC News

Old news, but still true today, IMHO.
 
He isn't a reporter, he's a journalist. do you know the difference? Reporters report the news. Journalists create the news. No one with a brain over here gives a fuck on how some Brit thinks we should elect our leaders.

IceIce,

In order of the time spent with each, would you list the sources on which you rely for your edification?
Right after you list all the reasons I should give a fuck about what a stupid asshole on an internet forum thinks.

IceIce,

I can appreciate your reticence. ..but why are you ashamed of being a stooge of Reich Wing Infotainment Media?
You are like JoeB, maybe you are JoeB. Your sole purpose here is to insult people that don't hold your mindless ideology.

I am not at all ashamed to reveal my daily reads...... What does that suggest to you?
Your daily reads? LOL. See above.
 
She served less than one term as Governor......as mayor of Wasilla she was fiscally reckless......which probably made her appealing to the Supply Side Hucksters who shoehorned her into the political spotlight...

Palin Endorses Trump, But Not His Economic Policies
Summary of Sarah Palin's Economic Views

As Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin demonstrated her position on energy and oil prices, a balanced budget, cutting taxes, and spurring economic growth. However, this position didn't give her experience on many important national topics, such as free trade, military spending and any stimulus to the financial crisis.

Palin Supported a Balanced Budget and Tax Relief
Palin's commitment to fiscal responsibility would be good for the economy. Before becoming Governor, Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, where she cut property taxes 60% while spurring economic growth. She sold a $2.1 million corporate jet bought by her predecessor, and cut $231 million from Alaska's $550 million capital budget. She would try to cut the federal debt.
(Source: WSJ, "Jet That Helped Defeat an Alaska Governor Is Sold," August 25, 2007; Alaska Journal of Commerce, "Lawmakers cringe over governor's deep budget cuts," July 8, 2007)


That's fine.

One of the major themes of the Left is that Trump is Evul. (racist, greedy, whatever)

Palin is a very nice and likable person.

Her endorsement will weaken that line of attack.

One might think that someone so nice and likeable would not have crashed and burned as a Reality TV star in such a short time...

According to a recent poll, her yammering is less welcome to Americans than the blatherskite issuing from Jesse Jackson....
So you now shifted it to likeability instead? That's up to individuals, not you. She gets a lot of applause, probably more than you.
 
I think the BBC just raised the questions which has been said on this forum and number times:

Is the US in a permenant state of campaigning?
Has campaign finances dominated candidates decisions?
How is it every other country has the campaigning season at around 6 - 12 weeks and US is moving closer to 2 years?
Is the Electoral College a fair way to select a candidate when 40 states votes effectively mean nothing?
Is there better way to do this?


Trump's impact is not because of his money, it's because of his message.


He is speaking what a lot of people have wanted to hear for a long time and have NOT gotten from their political class.

It is a good thing.

THe UK? Google UK Rape Rings and ask why yourself how well an anti-immigration populist would do in a presidential election there.

We just had an election and that guy won a grand total of one seat. People in the UK are laughing at Trump rather than taking him seriously. To be honest Donald Duck has more credibility than Donald Trump.


Which raises all kinds of question about what is wrong with your election process.


Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Widespread organised child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities.[1] In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve.[2] A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling of the abuse.


...It conservatively estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men.
[7] Abuses described by the report included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children.[6]
Members of the British-Pakistani community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism


There is no way that is accurately reflecting the Will of the People when you have scandals like that occurring.

I dont think that anybody pretends that there is a perfect system in place in Britain. Your last sentence is beyond me. Perhaps you could explain your point in simpler terms.

It was a reference back to your statement that the anti-immigration populist only got one seat.

Considering the utter disaster your immigration policy is, for that to happen, that has to be a problem in your system.

I refuse to believe that that policy can actually be the Will of the People.
Quite:

...Much as I loathe the United Kingdom Independence Party (Ukip), the fact that it won 3.9 million votes in the election but has only emerged with one MP is a national scandal and an affront to democracy. Its voters are entitled to commensurate representation in parliament....

I loathe Ukip but one MP for 3.9 million votes is a national disgrace
 
IceIce,

In order of the time spent with each, would you list the sources on which you rely for your edification?
Right after you list all the reasons I should give a fuck about what a stupid asshole on an internet forum thinks.

IceIce,

I can appreciate your reticence. ..but why are you ashamed of being a stooge of Reich Wing Infotainment Media?
You are like JoeB, maybe you are JoeB. Your sole purpose here is to insult people that don't hold your mindless ideology.

I am not at all ashamed to reveal my daily reads...... What does that suggest to you?
Your daily reads? LOL. See above.

Wouldn't you need to know what they are before passing judgement on them?

That's why I asked for yours.....
 
Advice from the country that still supports an unelected family of degenerates. Not one of the presidential candidates ever had as much publicity as "Princess Di" and her disfunctional marriage. The Brits would be speaking German if it wasn't for the U.S. and will most likely be governed by Sharia law if things keep going on the way they are so keep your state run BBC advice to yourselves.
 
She served less than one term as Governor......as mayor of Wasilla she was fiscally reckless......which probably made her appealing to the Supply Side Hucksters who shoehorned her into the political spotlight...

Palin Endorses Trump, But Not His Economic Policies
Summary of Sarah Palin's Economic Views

As Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin demonstrated her position on energy and oil prices, a balanced budget, cutting taxes, and spurring economic growth. However, this position didn't give her experience on many important national topics, such as free trade, military spending and any stimulus to the financial crisis.

Palin Supported a Balanced Budget and Tax Relief
Palin's commitment to fiscal responsibility would be good for the economy. Before becoming Governor, Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, where she cut property taxes 60% while spurring economic growth. She sold a $2.1 million corporate jet bought by her predecessor, and cut $231 million from Alaska's $550 million capital budget. She would try to cut the federal debt.
(Source: WSJ, "Jet That Helped Defeat an Alaska Governor Is Sold," August 25, 2007; Alaska Journal of Commerce, "Lawmakers cringe over governor's deep budget cuts," July 8, 2007)


That's fine.

One of the major themes of the Left is that Trump is Evul. (racist, greedy, whatever)

Palin is a very nice and likable person.

Her endorsement will weaken that line of attack.

One might think that someone so nice and likeable would not have crashed and burned as a Reality TV star in such a short time...

According to a recent poll, her yammering is less welcome to Americans than the blatherskite issuing from Jesse Jackson....
So you now shifted it to likeability instead? That's up to individuals, not you. She gets a lot of applause, probably more than you.

I thought it an appropriate response to

Palin is a very nice and likable person.


IceIce,

You ain't too bright...
 
Trump's impact is not because of his money, it's because of his message.


He is speaking what a lot of people have wanted to hear for a long time and have NOT gotten from their political class.

It is a good thing.

THe UK? Google UK Rape Rings and ask why yourself how well an anti-immigration populist would do in a presidential election there.

We just had an election and that guy won a grand total of one seat. People in the UK are laughing at Trump rather than taking him seriously. To be honest Donald Duck has more credibility than Donald Trump.


Which raises all kinds of question about what is wrong with your election process.


Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Widespread organised child sexual abuse took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England, between 1997 and 2013. Local investigations into the abuse began in 1999, although some reports were never finalised or made public by the authorities.[1] In 2010, five men of Pakistani heritage were found guilty of a series of sexual offences against girls as young as twelve.[2] A subsequent investigation by The Times reported that the child sex exploitation was much more widespread, and the Home Affairs Select Committee criticised the South Yorkshire Police force and Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council for their handling of the abuse.


...It conservatively estimated that 1,400 children had been sexually abused in the town between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by gangs of British-Pakistani men.
[7] Abuses described by the report included abduction, rape, torture and sex trafficking of children.[6]
Members of the British-Pakistani community condemned both the sexual abuse and the fact that it had been covered up for fear of "giving oxygen" to racism


There is no way that is accurately reflecting the Will of the People when you have scandals like that occurring.

I dont think that anybody pretends that there is a perfect system in place in Britain. Your last sentence is beyond me. Perhaps you could explain your point in simpler terms.

It was a reference back to your statement that the anti-immigration populist only got one seat.

Considering the utter disaster your immigration policy is, for that to happen, that has to be a problem in your system.

I refuse to believe that that policy can actually be the Will of the People.
Quite:

...Much as I loathe the United Kingdom Independence Party (Ukip), the fact that it won 3.9 million votes in the election but has only emerged with one MP is a national scandal and an affront to democracy. Its voters are entitled to commensurate representation in parliament....

I loathe Ukip but one MP for 3.9 million votes is a national disgrace

Yes it isnt perfect but it is difficult to shed tears for Farage and his crew.
 
Right after you list all the reasons I should give a fuck about what a stupid asshole on an internet forum thinks.

IceIce,

I can appreciate your reticence. ..but why are you ashamed of being a stooge of Reich Wing Infotainment Media?
You are like JoeB, maybe you are JoeB. Your sole purpose here is to insult people that don't hold your mindless ideology.

I am not at all ashamed to reveal my daily reads...... What does that suggest to you?
Your daily reads? LOL. See above.

Wouldn't you need to know what they are before passing judgement on them?

That's why I asked for yours.....
I speak for myself. What are you babbling about? Are you from HuffPo or something?
 
well biased like I expected. Dump on the Republicans. BBC isn't unbiased so take it with a grain of salt.

Biased would probably be the wrong term. It's written for the British audience, it's explaining things from a different perspective with no real need to take political sides in the matter.

British history books uses to, don't know if they still do, teach the Revolution gaining independence for the colonies was a civil war.
 
She served less than one term as Governor......as mayor of Wasilla she was fiscally reckless......which probably made her appealing to the Supply Side Hucksters who shoehorned her into the political spotlight...

Palin Endorses Trump, But Not His Economic Policies
Summary of Sarah Palin's Economic Views

As Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin demonstrated her position on energy and oil prices, a balanced budget, cutting taxes, and spurring economic growth. However, this position didn't give her experience on many important national topics, such as free trade, military spending and any stimulus to the financial crisis.

Palin Supported a Balanced Budget and Tax Relief
Palin's commitment to fiscal responsibility would be good for the economy. Before becoming Governor, Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, where she cut property taxes 60% while spurring economic growth. She sold a $2.1 million corporate jet bought by her predecessor, and cut $231 million from Alaska's $550 million capital budget. She would try to cut the federal debt.
(Source: WSJ, "Jet That Helped Defeat an Alaska Governor Is Sold," August 25, 2007; Alaska Journal of Commerce, "Lawmakers cringe over governor's deep budget cuts," July 8, 2007)


That's fine.

One of the major themes of the Left is that Trump is Evul. (racist, greedy, whatever)

Palin is a very nice and likable person.

Her endorsement will weaken that line of attack.

One might think that someone so nice and likeable would not have crashed and burned as a Reality TV star in such a short time...

According to a recent poll, her yammering is less welcome to Americans than the blatherskite issuing from Jesse Jackson....
So you now shifted it to likeability instead? That's up to individuals, not you. She gets a lot of applause, probably more than you.

I thought it an appropriate response to

Palin is a very nice and likable person.


IceIce,

You ain't too bright...
You're a retard so how could know gauge? I responded to your assertion "She served less than one term as Governor......as mayor of Wasilla she was fiscally reckless......which probably made her appealing to the Supply Side Hucksters who shoehorned her into the political spotlight..." with the link mentioning her economic success so you immediately shifted to likeability.

You're full of shit and too dumb to see how obvious it is.
 

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