Good News for the American Defense Industry!

[bripat9643]

Some people might refer to them as arms manufacturers, but that's SO negative. Let's just call it the defense industry even if the weapons aren't being used for defense. The POINT is that all those bombs and bullets need to be restocked for the next go 'round. Oh, sure, a few people will die horrible deaths, but just think of the way those stocks will SOAR!

Shock and Awe, BABY! That's where it's at. But let's not forget to mention the destruction of buildings and infrastructure because that means building construction will be BOOMING afterward. So, if you don't have any stock in cement manufacturers, best look into it.

Don't miss out on YOUR chance to profit from the misery of others!!!

IDF starts Gaza ground offensive | JPost | Israel News

Now, if we can just figure a way to get the Russians and the Ukrainians to shoot at each other while lobbying some bombs at one another too. Looks like there was some good news there today, as well.

Conservatives certainly must be happy today.

You're just a fucking jackass and a moron.

That's the only explanation for the inane drek you post.

 

[bripat9643]

Some people might refer to them as arms manufacturers, but that's SO negative. Let's just call it the defense industry even if the weapons aren't being used for defense. The POINT is that all those bombs and bullets need to be restocked for the next go 'round. Oh, sure, a few people will die horrible deaths, but just think of the way those stocks will SOAR!

Shock and Awe, BABY! That's where it's at. But let's not forget to mention the destruction of buildings and infrastructure because that means building construction will be BOOMING afterward. So, if you don't have any stock in cement manufacturers, best look into it.

Don't miss out on YOUR chance to profit from the misery of others!!!

IDF starts Gaza ground offensive | JPost | Israel News

Now, if we can just figure a way to get the Russians and the Ukrainians to shoot at each other while lobbying some bombs at one another too. Looks like there was some good news there today, as well.

Conservatives certainly must be happy today.

How prescient. I was getting ready to ask why McCain is so bellicose, like many of us who were adults during the Vietnam War we lost friends; the cost in blood and treasure for that war, and the invasion and occupation of Iraq, far exceeded any benefit.

Seems I thought wrongly, some do benefit and are able to keep themselves and their kids out of harms way.

When you come right down to it, it's pretty amazing how often one sees conservatives on this forum embracing some kind of military action as a way of responding to one problem or another whether it's in the ME, or in Europe, or on our own southern border. It just seems as if they can't get enough of that shock & awe on Fox while the American flag waves up on the corner of the screen.

Conservatives and libertarians were the ones opposing Obama's schemes to get us involved and Libya and Syria, and all the Obama dick sucking drones like you were cheering him on. You don't have a problem with bombing people so long as your guy is the one giving the orders.

You're all the biggest hypocrites imaginable.

 

[bripat9643]

I believe innovation and jobs is a good thing. War is part of humanity.

Seems they have never really been fought by the people who want them and start them, at least not in modern times, the poor always seem to be killing and dying to protect the rich and that shit has been a part of humanity for too damned long.

Democrats are the ones who sent people to war for no good reason at all, like making the world safe for democracy. The scale of the slaughter endured in wars fought over ideals made previous wars look like child's play.

 

[bripat9643]

What Eisenhower was warning us was about the possibility that the defense industry might end up having too MUCH influence on American foreign policy decisions. That's basically an example of the tail wagging the dog which is exactly what's been happening with Israel and the US the last few years. We used to be able to keep them on a shorter leash than we seem to be able to do these days. That had the benefit of saving a lot of human tragedy and blowback on America since we're the ones supplying many of the weapons the Israelis use to kill Palestinians and destroy buildings and infrastructure.

Then again how far left can one go with comments like these...

Two things are clearly spelled out in the Constitution and that is the defense of this nation and the "right" to won property. Al the the second is slowly being chipped away..

But then who would back Israel if Russia is backing the opposition?

Is there anything in the US Constitution about a defense industry, or using campaign contributions to buy favorable votes in order to elect politicians who will support spending for massive weapons systems that then require expensive munitions? And then, what good are weapons if they're not used, right? I mean, how can you KEEP selling smart bombs and other expensive ordnance unless the ones you currently have in stock aren't fired in a real shootin' war?

Alas, death and destruction are the result. Uh, is there anything in the US Constitution about defending ourselves by attacking a country half a world away when that country doesn't even have a deep water navy to reach us (or threaten international shipping) or any other means to threaten this country like a long range air force? How are we defending America by attacking a country that can't attack us?

You're so fucking stupid it's amazing you're able to make your lungs work.

 

[Kosh]

What Eisenhower was warning us was about the possibility that the defense industry might end up having too MUCH influence on American foreign policy decisions. That's basically an example of the tail wagging the dog which is exactly what's been happening with Israel and the US the last few years. We used to be able to keep them on a shorter leash than we seem to be able to do these days. That had the benefit of saving a lot of human tragedy and blowback on America since we're the ones supplying many of the weapons the Israelis use to kill Palestinians and destroy buildings and infrastructure.

Then again how far left can one go with comments like these...

Two things are clearly spelled out in the Constitution and that is the defense of this nation and the "right" to won property. Al the the second is slowly being chipped away..

But then who would back Israel if Russia is backing the opposition?

Is there anything in the US Constitution about a defense industry, or using campaign contributions to buy favorable votes in order to elect politicians who will support spending for massive weapons systems that then require expensive munitions? And then, what good are weapons if they're not used, right? I mean, how can you KEEP selling smart bombs and other expensive ordnance unless the ones you currently have in stock aren't fired in a real shootin' war?

Alas, death and destruction are the result. Uh, is there anything in the US Constitution about defending ourselves by attacking a country half a world away when that country doesn't even have a deep water navy to reach us (or threaten international shipping) or any other means to threaten this country like a long range air force? How are we defending America by attacking a country that can't attack us?

Yes I am used these far left rants that are based on faulty far left programming..

Then again you should be against FDR and the military industrial complex he built and that also built the infrastructure of the US.

So you are against FDR and WWII? Against the upkeep of the US infrastructure that was built by the military industrial complex? Are you against the Interstate system n the US which was all about the military industrial complex?

If you are going to rant using the standard far left fallacies and support FDR and WWII well goes to show that you have no real clue other than a programmed rant from your far left masters.

 

[Kosh]

I believe innovation and jobs is a good thing. War is part of humanity.

Seems they have never really been fought by the people who want them and start them, at least not in modern times, the poor always seem to be killing and dying to protect the rich and that shit has been a part of humanity for too damned long.

Yet you enjoy the fruits of the FDR created military industrial complex.

More far left talking points that are based on propaganda and not facts..

 

[JoeNormal]

Some people might refer to them as arms manufacturers, but that's SO negative. Let's just call it the defense industry even if the weapons aren't being used for defense. The POINT is that all those bombs and bullets need to be restocked for the next go 'round. Oh, sure, a few people will die horrible deaths, but just think of the way those stocks will SOAR!

Shock and Awe, BABY! That's where it's at. But let's not forget to mention the destruction of buildings and infrastructure because that means building construction will be BOOMING afterward. So, if you don't have any stock in cement manufacturers, best look into it.

Don't miss out on YOUR chance to profit from the misery of others!!!

IDF starts Gaza ground offensive | JPost | Israel News

Now, if we can just figure a way to get the Russians and the Ukrainians to shoot at each other while lobbying some bombs at one another too. Looks like there was some good news there today, as well.

Conservatives certainly must be happy today.

You're just a fucking jackass and a moron.

That's the only explanation for the inane drek you post.

Translation: You're criticizing Bripat's gravy train.

 

[The Rabbi]

Let's just debate whether it would be better to surrender to the Chiinese or the Russians or ISIS.
The US of course has the most advanced army in history thanks to the very system the idiot OP is blasting. How much money has that saved over the generations in wars we didnt have to fight because our opponents knew it would be futile?

 

[Mustang]

Let's just debate whether it would be better to surrender to the Chiinese or the Russians or ISIS.
The US of course has the most advanced army in history thanks to the very system the idiot OP is blasting. How much money has that saved over the generations in wars we didnt have to fight because our opponents knew it would be futile?

Nonsense. The US has outspent any and all other countries even as we've trained harder and longer to attain an operational superiority to match our technological superiority. But that's not because of the Defense industry. It's been because of gov't spending, guaranteed contracts, and cost overruns which our gov't continues to pay for, even for weapons systems that are not cost effective.

As far as the wars we haven't had to fight, fighting wars is the ultimate test of the weapons systems that are developed. Keep something else in mind. Despite all our rhetoric about Iran, China, Russia being threats, how many wars do those countries start combined compared to us?

 

[The Rabbi]

Let's just debate whether it would be better to surrender to the Chiinese or the Russians or ISIS.
The US of course has the most advanced army in history thanks to the very system the idiot OP is blasting. How much money has that saved over the generations in wars we didnt have to fight because our opponents knew it would be futile?

Nonsense. The US has outspent any and all other countries even as we've trained harder and longer to attain an operational superiority to match our technological superiority. But that's not because of the Defense industry. It's been because of gov't spending, guaranteed contracts, and cost overruns which our gov't continues to pay for, even for weapons systems that are not cost effective.

As far as the wars we haven't had to fight, fighting wars is the ultimate test of the weapons systems that are developed. Keep something else in mind. Despite all our rhetoric about Iran, China, Russia being threats, how many wars do those countries start combined compared to us?

Nothing you wrote in that mass of crap contradicts anything I wrote. Sorry.

 

[westwall]

Some people might refer to them as arms manufacturers, but that's SO negative. Let's just call it the defense industry even if the weapons aren't being used for defense. The POINT is that all those bombs and bullets need to be restocked for the next go 'round. Oh, sure, a few people will die horrible deaths, but just think of the way those stocks will SOAR!

Shock and Awe, BABY! That's where it's at. But let's not forget to mention the destruction of buildings and infrastructure because that means building construction will be BOOMING afterward. So, if you don't have any stock in cement manufacturers, best look into it.

Don't miss out on YOUR chance to profit from the misery of others!!!

IDF starts Gaza ground offensive | JPost | Israel News

Now, if we can just figure a way to get the Russians and the Ukrainians to shoot at each other while lobbying some bombs at one another too. Looks like there was some good news there today, as well.

Conservatives certainly must be happy today.

That's interesting. Democratic politicians are even more heavily invested in the defense industries than the Repubs are. Repubs are mainly in oil don't ya know. Oh well, don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of your diatribes!

 

[Kosh]

Some people might refer to them as arms manufacturers, but that's SO negative. Let's just call it the defense industry even if the weapons aren't being used for defense. The POINT is that all those bombs and bullets need to be restocked for the next go 'round. Oh, sure, a few people will die horrible deaths, but just think of the way those stocks will SOAR!

Shock and Awe, BABY! That's where it's at. But let's not forget to mention the destruction of buildings and infrastructure because that means building construction will be BOOMING afterward. So, if you don't have any stock in cement manufacturers, best look into it.

Don't miss out on YOUR chance to profit from the misery of others!!!

IDF starts Gaza ground offensive | JPost | Israel News

Now, if we can just figure a way to get the Russians and the Ukrainians to shoot at each other while lobbying some bombs at one another too. Looks like there was some good news there today, as well.

Conservatives certainly must be happy today.

That's interesting. Democratic politicians are even more heavily invested in the defense industries than the Repubs are. Repubs are mainly in oil don't ya know. Oh well, don't let a little thing like facts get in the way of your diatribes!

Yep many of those in the great military industrial complex are unions that give to the DNC coffers.

 

[OKTexas]

They are evil, Ike once warned America that the worst thing that could ever happen to our foreign policy is getting defense industry men elected to high office. Do I really need to go further?

You ever read his ENTIRE speech where he talked about a strong U.S. military being vital for world peace IIRC.

and in that speech he NEVER called for cuts in the U.S. defense budget.

Finally, Eisenhower had adopted the attitude regarding American defense of......we'll simply nuke them if they get out of line.

Are you prepared to endorse that as well?

What Eisenhower was warning us was about the possibility that the defense industry might end up having too MUCH influence on American foreign policy decisions. That's basically an example of the tail wagging the dog which is exactly what's been happening with Israel and the US the last few years. We used to be able to keep them on a shorter leash than we seem to be able to do these days. That had the benefit of saving a lot of human tragedy and blowback on America since we're the ones supplying many of the weapons the Israelis use to kill Palestinians and destroy buildings and infrastructure.

How many rocket are acceptable to you to be fired into Israel before they have the right of self defense? How long would you sit by if rockets were being fired into your town?

 

[Silhouette]

I can smell the Cheney family stock value soaring already.

God Bless America!

 

[Mustang]

Let's just debate whether it would be better to surrender to the Chiinese or the Russians or ISIS.
The US of course has the most advanced army in history thanks to the very system the idiot OP is blasting. How much money has that saved over the generations in wars we didnt have to fight because our opponents knew it would be futile?

Nonsense. The US has outspent any and all other countries even as we've trained harder and longer to attain an operational superiority to match our technological superiority. But that's not because of the Defense industry. It's been because of gov't spending, guaranteed contracts, and cost overruns which our gov't continues to pay for, even for weapons systems that are not cost effective.

As far as the wars we haven't had to fight, fighting wars is the ultimate test of the weapons systems that are developed. Keep something else in mind. Despite all our rhetoric about Iran, China, Russia being threats, how many wars do those countries start combined compared to us?

Nothing you wrote in that mass of crap contradicts anything I wrote. Sorry.

THE point is that the current structure of the defense industry is not the determining factor since the US arguably performed as well, if not better, during WWII when civilian manufacturers were retooled for weapons production. Back in those days, we had a manufacturing base that didn't have to worry about air raids.

Today, our gov't outspends even our closest potential adversaries by several factors. THAT is where our advantage is. That advantage doesn't necessarily mean the money is being spent well or wisely. In fact, I would argue the opposite. The money is often spent frivolously with former military men eventually going to work for the defense industry at which point their priority is no longer the defense of the nation because their loyalties have changed to the company they work for and the big paychecks they're paid specifically to pursue the interests of their new employers just like congressional lobbyists who go to work for companies seeking gov't contracts in Washington DC.

 

[Peach]

They are evil, Ike once warned America that the worst thing that could ever happen to our foreign policy is getting defense industry men elected to high office. Do I really need to go further?

You ever read his ENTIRE speech where he talked about a strong U.S. military being vital for world peace IIRC.

and in that speech he NEVER called for cuts in the U.S. defense budget.

Finally, Eisenhower had adopted the attitude regarding American defense of......we'll simply nuke them if they get out of line.

Are you prepared to endorse that as well?

What Eisenhower was warning us was about the possibility that the defense industry might end up having too MUCH influence on American foreign policy decisions. That's basically an example of the tail wagging the dog which is exactly what's been happening with Israel and the US the last few years. We used to be able to keep them on a shorter leash than we seem to be able to do these days. That had the benefit of saving a lot of human tragedy and blowback on America since we're the ones supplying many of the weapons the Israelis use to kill Palestinians and destroy buildings and infrastructure.

"Military industrial complex" are not words of approval.

 

[Mustang]

You ever read his ENTIRE speech where he talked about a strong U.S. military being vital for world peace IIRC.

and in that speech he NEVER called for cuts in the U.S. defense budget.

Finally, Eisenhower had adopted the attitude regarding American defense of......we'll simply nuke them if they get out of line.

Are you prepared to endorse that as well?

What Eisenhower was warning us was about the possibility that the defense industry might end up having too MUCH influence on American foreign policy decisions. That's basically an example of the tail wagging the dog which is exactly what's been happening with Israel and the US the last few years. We used to be able to keep them on a shorter leash than we seem to be able to do these days. That had the benefit of saving a lot of human tragedy and blowback on America since we're the ones supplying many of the weapons the Israelis use to kill Palestinians and destroy buildings and infrastructure.

How many rocket are acceptable to you to be fired into Israel before they have the right of self defense? How long would you sit by if rockets were being fired into your town?

Come on. I don't defend Hamas firing rockets into Israel. But let's be serious here. The rockets fired into Israel are hardly even close to being accurate. They fall just about anywhere. That's not even remotely the same thing as Israel's mostly pin point artillery attacks or the smart bombs they use. If you don't believe that, look at the casualty reports and the damage caused by both sides.

 

[occupied]

You ever read his ENTIRE speech where he talked about a strong U.S. military being vital for world peace IIRC.

and in that speech he NEVER called for cuts in the U.S. defense budget.

Finally, Eisenhower had adopted the attitude regarding American defense of......we'll simply nuke them if they get out of line.

Are you prepared to endorse that as well?

What Eisenhower was warning us was about the possibility that the defense industry might end up having too MUCH influence on American foreign policy decisions. That's basically an example of the tail wagging the dog which is exactly what's been happening with Israel and the US the last few years. We used to be able to keep them on a shorter leash than we seem to be able to do these days. That had the benefit of saving a lot of human tragedy and blowback on America since we're the ones supplying many of the weapons the Israelis use to kill Palestinians and destroy buildings and infrastructure.

How many rocket are acceptable to you to be fired into Israel before they have the right of self defense? How long would you sit by if rockets were being fired into your town?

Probably not long but then again there is no reason for anyone to be firing rockets on my town. Lots of reasons for both sides to be lobbing shit back and forth over there. It's the central problem here, both sides want vengeance and both sides deserve it. It's now an inter-generational blood feud, There is no ready solution even if a bunch of militant religiosity wasn't involved.

 

[OKTexas]

What Eisenhower was warning us was about the possibility that the defense industry might end up having too MUCH influence on American foreign policy decisions. That's basically an example of the tail wagging the dog which is exactly what's been happening with Israel and the US the last few years. We used to be able to keep them on a shorter leash than we seem to be able to do these days. That had the benefit of saving a lot of human tragedy and blowback on America since we're the ones supplying many of the weapons the Israelis use to kill Palestinians and destroy buildings and infrastructure.

How many rocket are acceptable to you to be fired into Israel before they have the right of self defense? How long would you sit by if rockets were being fired into your town?

Come on. I don't defend Hamas firing rockets into Israel. But let's be serious here. The rockets fired into Israel are hardly even close to being accurate. They fall just about anywhere. That's not even remotely the same thing as Israel's mostly pin point artillery attacks or the smart bombs they use. If you don't believe that, look at the casualty reports and the damage caused by both sides.

All I can say is if Hamas wants to avoid people being hurt maybe they shouldn't start a war. Of course people are willing to ignore the fact that Israel uses missiles to protect civilians and Hamas uses civilians to protect their missiles. I have no sympathy for the aggressors here.

 

[OKTexas]

What Eisenhower was warning us was about the possibility that the defense industry might end up having too MUCH influence on American foreign policy decisions. That's basically an example of the tail wagging the dog which is exactly what's been happening with Israel and the US the last few years. We used to be able to keep them on a shorter leash than we seem to be able to do these days. That had the benefit of saving a lot of human tragedy and blowback on America since we're the ones supplying many of the weapons the Israelis use to kill Palestinians and destroy buildings and infrastructure.

How many rocket are acceptable to you to be fired into Israel before they have the right of self defense? How long would you sit by if rockets were being fired into your town?

Probably not long but then again there is no reason for anyone to be firing rockets on my town. Lots of reasons for both sides to be lobbing shit back and forth over there. It's the central problem here, both sides want vengeance and both sides deserve it. It's now an inter-generational blood feud, There is no ready solution even if a bunch of militant religiosity wasn't involved.

Hamas is damned luck I'm not the PM of Israel, I would bull doze the whole west bank level and make it a no mans land. Let them try to hide rocket launchers then.