Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts

[Harry Dresden]

they must laugh at the rest of the people not "lucky" enough to get on with Daddy Guberment while YOU pay their salary's. what a Gig eh

SNIP:
We’ve all seen the same headlines repeating for the last six years so often that it’s become part and parcel of the national milieu. Times are hard, wages are stagnant and pay isn’t keeping up with the cost of living. It’s tough out there to be sure, but there’s one segment of the American population where that doesn’t seem to be true. If you happen to work for the federal government – regardless of the job you hold, how well you perform or what happens to the market – you’re probably making way more than your counterparts in the private sector. (Government Executive Magazine)

Federal employees on average earned 78 percent more in total compensation than private sector workers in 2014, according to a new study from a conservative think tank.

The Cato Institute’s Chris Edwards compared data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis to show that, in his view, civilian federal workers are overcompensated. Factoring both salary and benefits, Edwards pointed to BEA data showing the average federal employee earns about $119,000 annually, compared to the private sector worker who earns $67,000 per year. When comparing just salaries, feds collect 50 percent bigger paychecks, Edwards said.

Back in 1990 the gap was smaller but still in place. Federal workers back then earned, on average, 39% more than private sector employees performing the same jobs. Owing to the rules of the free market, that shifted for a while during the tech boom of the late nineties, at least in a few sectors of the job market. When there were a limited number of workers skilled in a new industry, wages shot up and passed their government colleagues who were generally held to raises which follow a set formula.

Unfortunately, as Wall Street tanked and the market completely stalled, the private sector paid the price while the federal government kept on plugging along with slower, but steady increases in most cases. This led to what the study’s author describes as a situation where the Washington bureaucracy became “an elite island of secure and high-paid employment, separated from the ocean of average Americans competing in the economy.”

Of course, it doesn’t help that it’s nearly impossible to fire a federal employee.

ALL of it here:
Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts « Hot Air

Federal workers do make more for several reasons.

• Federal workers are better educated on average than their private sector counterparts. 52 percent have a Bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to just 32 percent of private sector workers. On average, they are four years older as well (45 vs. 41). Older, better educated workers are bound to have incomes above the national average.
  
• There will always be inequities in federal civil service compared to the public sector because civil service pay is not market driven. On the low end of the salary scale federal building custodians have very good benefits compared to their private sector counter parts and thus fair much better in comparison with the private sector. On the high end of the scale, software developers make huge salaries in the private sector compared to the public sector.
• The private sector tends to hire younger workers who often lack both education and experience and thus can not demand higher pay. The more productive workers are kept and the remainder are fired. Federal Civil Service can not operate like this. It must hire the best qualified person for the job and once they are hired they can't be fired because the boss has found someone who will work for lower pay.

so we should take it that all this BS about "income Equality" spewed by the left/dem/libs is just that. ALL BULLSHIT

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

 

[leftwinger]

TOTAL TAX BURDEN HASN'T BEEN THIS LOW IN DECADES BTW,

Taxes: total? Fed/state income, property, sales, medicare, SSI, utilities, fauto, fees, fines, charity? Can easily be way past 50% of base pay. CA has 13% state tax on higher incomes. Add that to 38% FED.......high income starts out > 50%


At back of 2014 paper (after page 60) there are many charts compare State/private similar worker.
https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uplo...public-employee-compensation_112536583046.pdf

There is a lot of data out there. It is not as simple as saying "bullcarp". Don't forget retired re-hired..

 

[Uncensored2008]

they must laugh at the rest of the people not "lucky" enough to get on with Daddy Guberment while YOU pay their salary's. what a Gig eh

SNIP:
We’ve all seen the same headlines repeating for the last six years so often that it’s become part and parcel of the national milieu. Times are hard, wages are stagnant and pay isn’t keeping up with the cost of living. It’s tough out there to be sure, but there’s one segment of the American population where that doesn’t seem to be true. If you happen to work for the federal government – regardless of the job you hold, how well you perform or what happens to the market – you’re probably making way more than your counterparts in the private sector. (Government Executive Magazine)

Federal employees on average earned 78 percent more in total compensation than private sector workers in 2014, according to a new study from a conservative think tank.

The Cato Institute’s Chris Edwards compared data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis to show that, in his view, civilian federal workers are overcompensated. Factoring both salary and benefits, Edwards pointed to BEA data showing the average federal employee earns about $119,000 annually, compared to the private sector worker who earns $67,000 per year. When comparing just salaries, feds collect 50 percent bigger paychecks, Edwards said.

Back in 1990 the gap was smaller but still in place. Federal workers back then earned, on average, 39% more than private sector employees performing the same jobs. Owing to the rules of the free market, that shifted for a while during the tech boom of the late nineties, at least in a few sectors of the job market. When there were a limited number of workers skilled in a new industry, wages shot up and passed their government colleagues who were generally held to raises which follow a set formula.

Unfortunately, as Wall Street tanked and the market completely stalled, the private sector paid the price while the federal government kept on plugging along with slower, but steady increases in most cases. This led to what the study’s author describes as a situation where the Washington bureaucracy became “an elite island of secure and high-paid employment, separated from the ocean of average Americans competing in the economy.”

Of course, it doesn’t help that it’s nearly impossible to fire a federal employee.

ALL of it here:
Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts « Hot Air

Yeah, but they have to work for a whole 20 years before they can retire, where private sector workers can retire at 75...

Our public masters (they sure the fuck aren't our servants) need the slave class to support them!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Government unions are the worst thing that ever happened to this country.

When a union bargains with a private business, the negotiations are between equals.

When a union bargains with the government, the unions have all the power since they are paying contributions to the people who are representing the government.

And now we see what has happened. Government workers have higher pay, better health benefits, and generous retirement packages, the private sector jobs.

Employees of small business have none of the benefits, and will have only social security at retirement.

Private union members can threaten a strike if they don't agree with proposed benefits. Government union members will be fired if they strike

That doesn't matter. Government unions are negotiating with politicians who were put there by government unions.

not my union....NALC.....

 

[Uncensored2008]

not my union....NALC.....

Who do they "negotiate" with, then?

The top of the Post Office is put in place by the democrats who get the bribes that the national association of letter carriers doles out. Pubic Unions are corrupt by design. There is no "management" to deal with, all participants are united in raiding the public treasury.

 

[Stephanie]

Federal workers do make more for several reasons.

• Federal workers are better educated on average than their private sector counterparts. 52 percent have a Bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to just 32 percent of private sector workers. On average, they are four years older as well (45 vs. 41). Older, better educated workers are bound to have incomes above the national average.
  
• There will always be inequities in federal civil service compared to the public sector because civil service pay is not market driven. On the low end of the salary scale federal building custodians have very good benefits compared to their private sector counter parts and thus fair much better in comparison with the private sector. On the high end of the scale, software developers make huge salaries in the private sector compared to the public sector.
• The private sector tends to hire younger workers who often lack both education and experience and thus can not demand higher pay. The more productive workers are kept and the remainder are fired. Federal Civil Service can not operate like this. It must hire the best qualified person for the job and once they are hired they can't be fired because the boss has found someone who will work for lower pay.

so we should take it that all this BS about "income Equality" spewed by the left/dem/libs is just that. ALL BULLSHIT

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

Harry I know you worked in the PO. and I'm NOT saying all workers for the Government is there to take advantage of us taxpayers. but how is this Fair for them to make so much more? and then the left/dems wails about income equality.

 

[Dad2three]

Federal workers do make more for several reasons.

• Federal workers are better educated on average than their private sector counterparts. 52 percent have a Bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to just 32 percent of private sector workers. On average, they are four years older as well (45 vs. 41). Older, better educated workers are bound to have incomes above the national average.
  
• There will always be inequities in federal civil service compared to the public sector because civil service pay is not market driven. On the low end of the salary scale federal building custodians have very good benefits compared to their private sector counter parts and thus fair much better in comparison with the private sector. On the high end of the scale, software developers make huge salaries in the private sector compared to the public sector.
• The private sector tends to hire younger workers who often lack both education and experience and thus can not demand higher pay. The more productive workers are kept and the remainder are fired. Federal Civil Service can not operate like this. It must hire the best qualified person for the job and once they are hired they can't be fired because the boss has found someone who will work for lower pay.

so we should take it that all this BS about "income Equality" spewed by the left/dem/libs is just that. ALL BULLSHIT

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dad2three]

TOTAL TAX BURDEN HASN'T BEEN THIS LOW IN DECADES BTW,

Taxes: total? Fed/state income, property, sales, medicare, SSI, utilities, fauto, fees, fines, charity? Can easily be way past 50% of base pay. CA has 13% state tax on higher incomes. Add that to 38% FED.......high income starts out > 50%


At back of 2014 paper (after page 60) there are many charts compare State/private similar worker.
https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uplo...public-employee-compensation_112536583046.pdf

There is a lot of data out there. It is not as simple as saying "bullcarp". Don't forget retired re-hired..

Don't understand the difference with MARGINAL RATES VERSUS EFFECTIVE RATES HUH?

ABOVE 50%? LIKE ROMNEY'S 14% FED TAX BITE RIGHT?

May 31, 2011

Are Taxes in the U.S. High or Low?

Historically, the term “tax rate” has meant the average or effective tax rate — that is, taxes as a share of income. The broadest measure of the tax rate is total federal revenues divided by the gross domestic product.

By this measure, federal taxes are at their lowest level in more than 60 years. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that federal taxes would consume just 14.8 percent of G.D.P. this year. The last year in which revenues were lower was 1950, according to the Office of Management and Budget.


http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/are-taxes-in-the-u-s-high-or-low/?_r=0


May 5, 2011


U.S. tax burden at lowest level since '58

Americans are paying the smallest share of their income for taxes since 1958, a reflection of tax cuts and a weak economy, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

The total tax burden — for all federal, state and local taxes — dropped to 23.6% of income in the first quarter, according to Bureau of Economic Analysis data.

U.S. tax burden at lowest level since '58 - USATODAY.com

AEI (AS USUAL) COMPARES APPLES AND DOGS. It has no bearing to compare a McDonalds employee to a federal employee



IF you "think" CONservative policies are the way to go, why are 9 of 10 poorest states red states? 95 of 100 poorest counties red? Why do red states suck off the teet of blue states?

 

[leftwinger]

so we should take it that all this BS about "income Equality" spewed by the left/dem/libs is just that. ALL BULLSHIT

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

 

[Dad2three]

they must laugh at the rest of the people not "lucky" enough to get on with Daddy Guberment while YOU pay their salary's. what a Gig eh

SNIP:
We’ve all seen the same headlines repeating for the last six years so often that it’s become part and parcel of the national milieu. Times are hard, wages are stagnant and pay isn’t keeping up with the cost of living. It’s tough out there to be sure, but there’s one segment of the American population where that doesn’t seem to be true. If you happen to work for the federal government – regardless of the job you hold, how well you perform or what happens to the market – you’re probably making way more than your counterparts in the private sector. (Government Executive Magazine)

Federal employees on average earned 78 percent more in total compensation than private sector workers in 2014, according to a new study from a conservative think tank.

The Cato Institute’s Chris Edwards compared data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis to show that, in his view, civilian federal workers are overcompensated. Factoring both salary and benefits, Edwards pointed to BEA data showing the average federal employee earns about $119,000 annually, compared to the private sector worker who earns $67,000 per year. When comparing just salaries, feds collect 50 percent bigger paychecks, Edwards said.

Back in 1990 the gap was smaller but still in place. Federal workers back then earned, on average, 39% more than private sector employees performing the same jobs. Owing to the rules of the free market, that shifted for a while during the tech boom of the late nineties, at least in a few sectors of the job market. When there were a limited number of workers skilled in a new industry, wages shot up and passed their government colleagues who were generally held to raises which follow a set formula.

Unfortunately, as Wall Street tanked and the market completely stalled, the private sector paid the price while the federal government kept on plugging along with slower, but steady increases in most cases. This led to what the study’s author describes as a situation where the Washington bureaucracy became “an elite island of secure and high-paid employment, separated from the ocean of average Americans competing in the economy.”

Of course, it doesn’t help that it’s nearly impossible to fire a federal employee.

ALL of it here:
Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts « Hot Air

Yeah, but they have to work for a whole 20 years before they can retire, where private sector workers can retire at 75...

Our public masters (they sure the fuck aren't our servants) need the slave class to support them!

MORE right wing bullshit from you. Yes they can "retire" after 20 years BUT CAN'T collect their retirement pay UNTIL they hit certain ages and generally get 2% a year so 2% times 20 is 40%...

 

[Dad2three]

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

GET THE FUKKKK OFF RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS, GEEZUS FUKKN KRIST

YOUR LINK

"
Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes. Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. Shapiro argues that the PRC’s analysis doesn’t take into account the productivity gains that the Post Office would be forced to make if it really had to compete for mailbox delivery. He points out that productivity at USPS has only grown by 0.7% per year versus 2.5% for its competition."


LOL

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters


United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[leftwinger]

The total tax burden — for all federal, state and local taxes — dropped to 23.6% of income

AVG? 47% pay ZERO FED income taxes. I was referring to mid-level typical worker, TOTAL tax paid out could be very high.

 

[Dad2three]

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

BORROW MONEY FROM THE FED? GAWD, GROW A FUKKN BRAIN


The Truth About The Post Office's Financial Mess

Retiree Health Benefits Prefunding
Challenge

Significant financial losses result from a legislative requirement that the Postal Service pre-fund its retiree health benefits.

SOLUTION

Adopting a traditional “pay-as-you-go” method would produce an average of $5.65 billion in additional cash flow per year through 2016.

Unlike any other public or private entity, under a 2006 law, the U.S. Postal Service must pre-fund retiree health benefits. We must pay today for benefits that will not be paid out until some future date. Other federal agencies and most private sector companies use a “pay-as-you-go” system, by which the entity pays premiums as they are billed. Shifting to such a system would equate to an average of $5.65 billion in additional cash flow per year through 2016, and save the Postal Service an estimated $50 billion over the next ten years. With the announcement of our Action Plan in March, we began laying the foundation for change, requesting that Congress restructure this obligation.




Retiree Health Benefits Prefunding

 

[rightwinger]

Federal workers do make more for several reasons.

• Federal workers are better educated on average than their private sector counterparts. 52 percent have a Bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to just 32 percent of private sector workers. On average, they are four years older as well (45 vs. 41). Older, better educated workers are bound to have incomes above the national average.
  
• There will always be inequities in federal civil service compared to the public sector because civil service pay is not market driven. On the low end of the salary scale federal building custodians have very good benefits compared to their private sector counter parts and thus fair much better in comparison with the private sector. On the high end of the scale, software developers make huge salaries in the private sector compared to the public sector.
• The private sector tends to hire younger workers who often lack both education and experience and thus can not demand higher pay. The more productive workers are kept and the remainder are fired. Federal Civil Service can not operate like this. It must hire the best qualified person for the job and once they are hired they can't be fired because the boss has found someone who will work for lower pay.

so we should take it that all this BS about "income Equality" spewed by the left/dem/libs is just that. ALL BULLSHIT

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

Bastards

 

[leftwinger]

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

GET THE FUKKKK OFF RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS, GEEZUS FUKKN KRIST

YOUR LINK

"
Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes. Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. Shapiro argues that the PRC’s analysis doesn’t take into account the productivity gains that the Post Office would be forced to make if it really had to compete for mailbox delivery. He points out that productivity at USPS has only grown by 0.7% per year versus 2.5% for its competition."


LOL

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters


United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USPS loses money each year (other than few years) . Somebody is subsidizing "it". The link showed.

 

[leftwinger]

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

GET THE FUKKKK OFF RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS, GEEZUS FUKKN KRIST

YOUR LINK

"
Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes. Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. Shapiro argues that the PRC’s analysis doesn’t take into account the productivity gains that the Post Office would be forced to make if it really had to compete for mailbox delivery. He points out that productivity at USPS has only grown by 0.7% per year versus 2.5% for its competition."


LOL

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters


United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USPS loses money each year (other than few years) . Somebody is subsidizing "it". The link showed.

yes I saw. they must pre-pay pension obligations. Always a story. they would be GREAT w/o that.

 

[Dad2three]

The total tax burden — for all federal, state and local taxes — dropped to 23.6% of income

AVG? 47% pay ZERO FED income taxes. I was referring to mid-level typical worker, TOTAL tax paid out could be very high.

OH YOU MEAN THE BOTTOM HALF OF US WHO MADE 11% OF ALL INCOME? A DROP FROM 18% PRE-REAGANOMICS?

The avg family in the bottom HALF of US has an income of less than $15,0-00 PER FAMILY

MID-LEVEL? Oh the guys who had their taxes increased after Ronnie GUTTED the tax


So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.

That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.

The one tax graph you really need to know

 

[Dad2three]

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

GET THE FUKKKK OFF RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS, GEEZUS FUKKN KRIST

YOUR LINK

"
Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes. Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. Shapiro argues that the PRC’s analysis doesn’t take into account the productivity gains that the Post Office would be forced to make if it really had to compete for mailbox delivery. He points out that productivity at USPS has only grown by 0.7% per year versus 2.5% for its competition."


LOL

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters


United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USPS loses money each year (other than few years) . Somebody is subsidizing "it". The link showed.

THE USPS HASN'T GOTTEN GOV'T MONEY IN NEARLY 30 YEARS, If you understand HISTORY, the GOP passed a bill to prefund FIFTY YEARS of retirements in TEN years. Think they MIGHT lose money doing that?

Your link was nothing but ANOTHER right wing "think tank" BULLSHIT PREMISE based on guesses and myths....

 

[leftwinger]

Not 47 percent paying nothing,

I agree: I never said the 47% pay nothing.....I said FED income tax. Sales, gas, property, utilities etc. yes.

I will look it over.

 

[Dad2three]

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

GET THE FUKKKK OFF RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS, GEEZUS FUKKN KRIST

YOUR LINK

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Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes. Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. Shapiro argues that the PRC’s analysis doesn’t take into account the productivity gains that the Post Office would be forced to make if it really had to compete for mailbox delivery. He points out that productivity at USPS has only grown by 0.7% per year versus 2.5% for its competition."


LOL

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters


United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USPS loses money each year (other than few years) . Somebody is subsidizing "it". The link showed.

yes I saw. they must pre-pay pension obligations. Always a story. they would be GREAT w/o that.

You mean instead of "losing" $5 billion by paying $5.5 billion in prefunded retirement UNLIKE ANY GOV'T OR PRIVATE SECTOR SECTOR? Yep...They'd have a PROFIT!