Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts

[Iceweasel]

It's strange that you feel people should work their entire lives and not deserve to make a living or retire.

It's strange that you think I said that. So much for my 'your head is up your ass' theory.

 

[Carla_Danger]

It's strange that you feel people should work their entire lives and not deserve to make a living or retire.

It's strange that you think I said that. So much for my 'your head is up your ass' theory.

That's exactly what you're bitching about....people making a living. Go crawl back under your rock, idiot.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Stephanie, you've got to compare apples to apples. You are comparing watermelon to lemons. They have college degrees, and judging by your postings, I doubt you made it past the 6th grade.

I doubt you even know what fresh air smells like since your head is permanently stuffed up your posterior. A city janitor starts out at $17/hr with great benefits. No private company can afford to be so generous, their customers won't pay it. You tightass liberals sure won't. You love to spend other people's money but hold onto your own for dear life.

Here's a janitorial job opening with the Department of Defense, starting pay is between $13.34-$15.54. That's barely a livable wage, you moron.

DUTIES:
Back to top


•Maintains an orderly and clean specified area following general instructions regarding the tasks to be performed.
•Sweeps, mops, strips, scrubs, waxes, and polishes floors using heavy industrial powered equipment.
•Removes stains from a variety of surfaces such as rugs, drapes, walls, floors, and fixtures by use of chemicals and cleaning solutions. Washes and cleans windows inside and outside of building.
•Performs seasonal tasks such as the following: cuts grass, pull weeds, and trims bushes. Picks up litter from immediate area outside the building.
•Removes ice and snow from sidewalks, entrance ways, and other public pedestrian areas in and around the commissary.
•Assists in special preparations for displays, customer appreciation sales, holiday sales, or other promotion activities in the commissary.


Custodial Worker

What do you mean barely livable moron? According to who? Livable means staying alive, not buying a three car house and raising a family. And anyone with any government experience knows the pay raises happen like clockwork.

You are one dumb fuck. You can't buy a three car house and raise a family on $13.34-$15.54 an hour alone. A livable wage is just that. It's a minimum amount to cover ones basic needs.

 

[charwin95]

Worked for the govt once. Never did again. If you want to be valued for work ethic, stay far, far away. No amount of money is worth it.

That depends on what kind of jobs when you worked for the govt. before. Then you find a better job maybe? That's just about the same when you work for private sector isn't it?

 

[charwin95]

Where is the wailing about INCOME EQUALITY???????

WHY are government workers being GIVING A PASS. WE KNOW WHY

most of them are freaking LIBERALS sucking off us taxpayers

Sucking off taxpayers.... LOL. You are the welfare queen of USMB. What are you talking about? You better pray next president will cut off all these benefits.

 

[Rustic]

they must laugh at the rest of the people not "lucky" enough to get on with Daddy Guberment while YOU pay their salary's. what a Gig eh

SNIP:
We’ve all seen the same headlines repeating for the last six years so often that it’s become part and parcel of the national milieu. Times are hard, wages are stagnant and pay isn’t keeping up with the cost of living. It’s tough out there to be sure, but there’s one segment of the American population where that doesn’t seem to be true. If you happen to work for the federal government – regardless of the job you hold, how well you perform or what happens to the market – you’re probably making way more than your counterparts in the private sector. (Government Executive Magazine)

Federal employees on average earned 78 percent more in total compensation than private sector workers in 2014, according to a new study from a conservative think tank.

The Cato Institute’s Chris Edwards compared data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis to show that, in his view, civilian federal workers are overcompensated. Factoring both salary and benefits, Edwards pointed to BEA data showing the average federal employee earns about $119,000 annually, compared to the private sector worker who earns $67,000 per year. When comparing just salaries, feds collect 50 percent bigger paychecks, Edwards said.

Back in 1990 the gap was smaller but still in place. Federal workers back then earned, on average, 39% more than private sector employees performing the same jobs. Owing to the rules of the free market, that shifted for a while during the tech boom of the late nineties, at least in a few sectors of the job market. When there were a limited number of workers skilled in a new industry, wages shot up and passed their government colleagues who were generally held to raises which follow a set formula.

Unfortunately, as Wall Street tanked and the market completely stalled, the private sector paid the price while the federal government kept on plugging along with slower, but steady increases in most cases. This led to what the study’s author describes as a situation where the Washington bureaucracy became “an elite island of secure and high-paid employment, separated from the ocean of average Americans competing in the economy.”

Of course, it doesn’t help that it’s nearly impossible to fire a federal employee.

ALL of it here:
Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts « Hot Air

That is why socialism has never worked in history... They will, in the end run out of other people's money...
The socialists/progressives are like the proverbial grasshopper... Never looking to the future, just short term personal gain.

 

[Stephanie]

Every time these threads are being taken over by a bunch of jerk on this board. they add nothing to the conversation, they are vulgar in throwing around the Fxxk, bitch, etc words and takes this board down to the level of the dailyKos.

it's been a real shame and impossible to have a decent conversation on here

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Sorry,the guy I know doesnt have his own link.
Unlike the escort service you're the star of.

He works for the City of Houston. They have a link, you idiot. I'm looking at it right now, and it says you're full of shit.

Than show it so I can pick you apart.

You made the claim your idiot friend, who mows for the City of Houston, has a golden parachute, now you get to prove it. That's how this debate works, you big dummy.

I already provided a link showing the average pay of a landscaper.

And you've made one critical error in your weak ass thought process.
Can ya figure it out?

We'll see if there's an error as soon as you pull that link out of your ass.

I dont need a link you do.
First of all what you posted is the starting pay. They get regular raises whether they deserve them or not. They get medical,dental and vision and they get a pension after they've vetted.
You show me a yard guy with those benefits.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

they must laugh at the rest of the people not "lucky" enough to get on with Daddy Guberment while YOU pay their salary's. what a Gig eh

SNIP:
We’ve all seen the same headlines repeating for the last six years so often that it’s become part and parcel of the national milieu. Times are hard, wages are stagnant and pay isn’t keeping up with the cost of living. It’s tough out there to be sure, but there’s one segment of the American population where that doesn’t seem to be true. If you happen to work for the federal government – regardless of the job you hold, how well you perform or what happens to the market – you’re probably making way more than your counterparts in the private sector. (Government Executive Magazine)

Federal employees on average earned 78 percent more in total compensation than private sector workers in 2014, according to a new study from a conservative think tank.

The Cato Institute’s Chris Edwards compared data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis to show that, in his view, civilian federal workers are overcompensated. Factoring both salary and benefits, Edwards pointed to BEA data showing the average federal employee earns about $119,000 annually, compared to the private sector worker who earns $67,000 per year. When comparing just salaries, feds collect 50 percent bigger paychecks, Edwards said.

Back in 1990 the gap was smaller but still in place. Federal workers back then earned, on average, 39% more than private sector employees performing the same jobs. Owing to the rules of the free market, that shifted for a while during the tech boom of the late nineties, at least in a few sectors of the job market. When there were a limited number of workers skilled in a new industry, wages shot up and passed their government colleagues who were generally held to raises which follow a set formula.

Unfortunately, as Wall Street tanked and the market completely stalled, the private sector paid the price while the federal government kept on plugging along with slower, but steady increases in most cases. This led to what the study’s author describes as a situation where the Washington bureaucracy became “an elite island of secure and high-paid employment, separated from the ocean of average Americans competing in the economy.”

Of course, it doesn’t help that it’s nearly impossible to fire a federal employee.

ALL of it here:
Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts « Hot Air

That's what happens when you have "Right To Work" laws, and get rid of any bargaining power for employees.

You idiot RWer's will cut off your nose to spite your face every time.

Yeah....because we all know those liberal states are having no problem meeting the payments on pensions.

have you seen the rent in a blue states? $1000 for a 300sq closet. and they sit here and brag how they are so much better. I guess they need to pretend they are better off than everyone else with those taxes and prices TO LIVE there. sad and pathetic when they crow this dumb stuff

Let me get this straight, you're raggin on blue states for having inhabitants that actually can afford to make a living? I don't know whether to thank you or smack you with a wet noodle. I'm from a blue state and we are drowning in new jobs.....that pays enough for anyone to live comfortably here. Sad? Pathetic? No, just lucky to have a Democratic governor with working brain cells, who don't starve the state with this cut taxes for the rich and fuck the poor mentality.

How exactly do you afford to make a living?
And I asked you in a previous post. What state do you live in?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Yep...Houston is running into the same problem.
Giving golden parachutes to guys who mow the grass at our airports is ridiculous.

And I suppose you have a link to show proof of this golden parachute?

You seemed so knowledgeable before...what happened?
I know the guy,he wont even work for 25 years to get it and all he does is mow the grass.

A simi-skilled laborer, for the City of Houston, working in Parks and Recreation, only makes $24-28,000 a year. If this is the golden parachute you are referring to, I'm going to assume you are living off a crazy check you receive from the Government once a month.

They receive a full pension once vetted.
Show me a yard guy who gets that.

 

[Iceweasel]

It's strange that you feel people should work their entire lives and not deserve to make a living or retire.

It's strange that you think I said that. So much for my 'your head is up your ass' theory.

That's exactly what you're bitching about....people making a living. Go crawl back under your rock, idiot.

I'm not bitching, Dumbclit. It's called pointing out the problems with your opinion.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Yep...Houston is running into the same problem.
Giving golden parachutes to guys who mow the grass at our airports is ridiculous.

And I suppose you have a link to show proof of this golden parachute?

You seemed so knowledgeable before...what happened?
I know the guy,he wont even work for 25 years to get it and all he does is mow the grass.

A simi-skilled laborer, for the City of Houston, working in Parks and Recreation, only makes $24-28,000 a year. If this is the golden parachute you are referring to, I'm going to assume you are living off a crazy check you receive from the Government once a month.

That's a starting wage, not a wage nearing retirement. And it says nothing about the pension. Idiot.

The starting wage for the City of Houston in Parks and Recreation is only $12 an hour, you boob. A field manager in the same department only makes between $35-39,000 a year.

Why the fuck would you be angry at people making a living wage?

Because they are over paid and it comes out of MY pocket.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Yep...Houston is running into the same problem.
Giving golden parachutes to guys who mow the grass at our airports is ridiculous.

And I suppose you have a link to show proof of this golden parachute?

You seemed so knowledgeable before...what happened?
I know the guy,he wont even work for 25 years to get it and all he does is mow the grass.

A simi-skilled laborer, for the City of Houston, working in Parks and Recreation, only makes $24-28,000 a year. If this is the golden parachute you are referring to, I'm going to assume you are living off a crazy check you receive from the Government once a month.

That's a starting wage, not a wage nearing retirement. And it says nothing about the pension. Idiot.

It's strange that you feel people should work their entire lives and not deserve to make a living or retire.

They can save their own fucking money thats how.
Why should I pay for their retirement?

 

[Iceweasel]

Stephanie, you've got to compare apples to apples. You are comparing watermelon to lemons. They have college degrees, and judging by your postings, I doubt you made it past the 6th grade.

I doubt you even know what fresh air smells like since your head is permanently stuffed up your posterior. A city janitor starts out at $17/hr with great benefits. No private company can afford to be so generous, their customers won't pay it. You tightass liberals sure won't. You love to spend other people's money but hold onto your own for dear life.

Here's a janitorial job opening with the Department of Defense, starting pay is between $13.34-$15.54. That's barely a livable wage, you moron.

DUTIES:
Back to top


•Maintains an orderly and clean specified area following general instructions regarding the tasks to be performed.
•Sweeps, mops, strips, scrubs, waxes, and polishes floors using heavy industrial powered equipment.
•Removes stains from a variety of surfaces such as rugs, drapes, walls, floors, and fixtures by use of chemicals and cleaning solutions. Washes and cleans windows inside and outside of building.
•Performs seasonal tasks such as the following: cuts grass, pull weeds, and trims bushes. Picks up litter from immediate area outside the building.
•Removes ice and snow from sidewalks, entrance ways, and other public pedestrian areas in and around the commissary.
•Assists in special preparations for displays, customer appreciation sales, holiday sales, or other promotion activities in the commissary.


Custodial Worker

What do you mean barely livable moron? According to who? Livable means staying alive, not buying a three car house and raising a family. And anyone with any government experience knows the pay raises happen like clockwork.

You are one dumb fuck. You can't buy a three car house and raise a family on $13.34-$15.54 an hour alone. A livable wage is just that. It's a minimum amount to cover ones basic needs.

People live on less so that proves you're full of shit.

 

[Ava]

And they wonder why we're going broke...
Between the salaries and pensions of these assholes is it any wonder?

that's part of why Detroit is where it's at. and few other cities is right behind it.
We the people are getting hosed from every direction. Nothing will change until THE majority of the people get FED up.

It's also great if one is an immigrant.

For a third month in a row, native-born Americans saw their job numbers tumble while immigrants experience solid gains.

According to the montly Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers just released, "foreign-born" jobs numbers increased by 14,000, while those for "native-born" Americans fell off a cliff, by 262,000.

Jobs up only for immigrants, +14,000, down 262,000 for 'native-borns'

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And they wonder why we're going broke...
Between the salaries and pensions of these assholes is it any wonder?

that's part of why Detroit is where it's at. and few other cities is right behind it.
We the people are getting hosed from every direction. Nothing will change until THE majority of the people get FED up.

It's also great if one is an immigrant.

For a third month in a row, native-born Americans saw their job numbers tumble while immigrants experience solid gains.

According to the montly Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers just released, "foreign-born" jobs numbers increased by 14,000, while those for "native-born" Americans fell off a cliff, by 262,000.

Jobs up only for immigrants, +14,000, down 262,000 for 'native-borns'

Yeah but those are jobs Americans dont want to do right?

 

[Dad2three]

YEAH, IT'S THE FEDERAL WORKERS THAT'S THE PROBLEM *SHAKING HEAD*

 

[Stephanie]

And they wonder why we're going broke...
Between the salaries and pensions of these assholes is it any wonder?

that's part of why Detroit is where it's at. and few other cities is right behind it.
We the people are getting hosed from every direction. Nothing will change until THE majority of the people get FED up.

It's also great if one is an immigrant.

For a third month in a row, native-born Americans saw their job numbers tumble while immigrants experience solid gains.

According to the montly Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers just released, "foreign-born" jobs numbers increased by 14,000, while those for "native-born" Americans fell off a cliff, by 262,000.

Jobs up only for immigrants, +14,000, down 262,000 for 'native-borns'

yeah and they know it. especially under this administration
He's hung out a WELCOME sign for them. come on in the American citizens I'm suppose to Represent will PAY FOR it. it right in our face:



Obama hasn't done one thing for us that hasn't hurt us, bring us down to our knees, etc or try and bankrupt us. he has weakened our military so If we are attacked we'll be lucky to survive it. they are getting ready to RELEASE 100, 000 criminals on us in a few weeks. how is any of that a President that CARES about us citizens does all of this? and again the people just sit and watch it all



if we survive him we'll be lucky

 

[Dad2three]

 

[Dad2three]

And they wonder why we're going broke...
Between the salaries and pensions of these assholes is it any wonder?

that's part of why Detroit is where it's at. and few other cities is right behind it.
We the people are getting hosed from every direction. Nothing will change until THE majority of the people get FED up.

It's also great if one is an immigrant.

For a third month in a row, native-born Americans saw their job numbers tumble while immigrants experience solid gains.

According to the montly Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers just released, "foreign-born" jobs numbers increased by 14,000, while those for "native-born" Americans fell off a cliff, by 262,000.

Jobs up only for immigrants, +14,000, down 262,000 for 'native-borns'

yeah and they know it. especially under this administration
He's hung out a WELCOME sign for them. come on in the American citizens I'm suppose to Represent will PAY FOR it. it right in our face:



Obama hasn't done one thing for us that hasn't hurt us, bring us down to our knees, etc or try and bankrupt us. he has weakened our military so If we are attacked we'll be lucky to survive it. they are getting ready to RELEASE 100, 000 criminals on us in a few weeks. how is any of that a President that CARES about us citizens does all of this? and again the people just sit and watch it all



if we survive him we'll be lucky