Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts

[Blackrook]

You're a fucking retard. The typical small businessman barely pays his bills, and maybe has a little left so he can support his family.

An employee is always paid first, before the businessman gets his share.

I have actually run a business, and I'm running a business now.

You're suck a clueless, mindless, dumbfuck I shouldn't even be talking to you.

Yeah, OK.

The fact is any small business person that has been in business for any length of time is making 'bank.' If they're not, they need to hire someone to run their business and stay home.

If you actually run a business for somebody else, your employer has figured that out. If you've developed additional income streams for the business and aren't collecting a salary AND percentage, you're are an idiot.

If you truly are a one-percenter, it was given to you by your wealthy parents. I can tell you are not a self-made man, because you have no clue how the world really works.

 

[Stephanie]

they must laugh at the rest of the people not "lucky" enough to get on with Daddy Guberment while YOU pay their salary's. what a Gig eh

SNIP:
We’ve all seen the same headlines repeating for the last six years so often that it’s become part and parcel of the national milieu. Times are hard, wages are stagnant and pay isn’t keeping up with the cost of living. It’s tough out there to be sure, but there’s one segment of the American population where that doesn’t seem to be true. If you happen to work for the federal government – regardless of the job you hold, how well you perform or what happens to the market – you’re probably making way more than your counterparts in the private sector. (Government Executive Magazine)

Federal employees on average earned 78 percent more in total compensation than private sector workers in 2014, according to a new study from a conservative think tank.

The Cato Institute’s Chris Edwards compared data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis to show that, in his view, civilian federal workers are overcompensated. Factoring both salary and benefits, Edwards pointed to BEA data showing the average federal employee earns about $119,000 annually, compared to the private sector worker who earns $67,000 per year. When comparing just salaries, feds collect 50 percent bigger paychecks, Edwards said.

Back in 1990 the gap was smaller but still in place. Federal workers back then earned, on average, 39% more than private sector employees performing the same jobs. Owing to the rules of the free market, that shifted for a while during the tech boom of the late nineties, at least in a few sectors of the job market. When there were a limited number of workers skilled in a new industry, wages shot up and passed their government colleagues who were generally held to raises which follow a set formula.

Unfortunately, as Wall Street tanked and the market completely stalled, the private sector paid the price while the federal government kept on plugging along with slower, but steady increases in most cases. This led to what the study’s author describes as a situation where the Washington bureaucracy became “an elite island of secure and high-paid employment, separated from the ocean of average Americans competing in the economy.”

Of course, it doesn’t help that it’s nearly impossible to fire a federal employee.

ALL of it here:
Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts « Hot Air

Federal workers do make more for several reasons.

• Federal workers are better educated on average than their private sector counterparts. 52 percent have a Bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to just 32 percent of private sector workers. On average, they are four years older as well (45 vs. 41). Older, better educated workers are bound to have incomes above the national average.
  
• There will always be inequities in federal civil service compared to the public sector because civil service pay is not market driven. On the low end of the salary scale federal building custodians have very good benefits compared to their private sector counter parts and thus fair much better in comparison with the private sector. On the high end of the scale, software developers make huge salaries in the private sector compared to the public sector.
• The private sector tends to hire younger workers who often lack both education and experience and thus can not demand higher pay. The more productive workers are kept and the remainder are fired. Federal Civil Service can not operate like this. It must hire the best qualified person for the job and once they are hired they can't be fired because the boss has found someone who will work for lower pay.

so we should take it that all this BS about "income Equality" spewed by the left/dem/libs is just that. ALL BULLSHIT

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

 

[OnePercenter]

I run a small business, so where's all my big money?

Do you have any clue how many small businesses fail? We have empty storefronts all over our town, each a gravestone for a small business that failed.

It sounds as though you are complacent. How many additional income streams have you developed this month? None, I'll bet.

How many small businesses will fail? 99%

Why?

1)Didn't have five years total capital.
2)Didn't know who to hire (which you SHOULD farm out)
3)Hired family. NEVER, EVER, EVER, HIRE FAMILY.

 

[OnePercenter]

Everyone but you? Go fuck yourself, you're a liar AND a shithead.

I'm successful because I'm better than they are.

 

[rightwinger]

Government unions are the worst thing that ever happened to this country.

When a union bargains with a private business, the negotiations are between equals.

When a union bargains with the government, the unions have all the power since they are paying contributions to the people who are representing the government.

And now we see what has happened. Government workers have higher pay, better health benefits, and generous retirement packages, the private sector jobs.

Employees of small business have none of the benefits, and will have only social security at retirement.

Private union members can threaten a strike if they don't agree with proposed benefits. Government union members will be fired if they strike

 

[rightwinger]

they must laugh at the rest of the people not "lucky" enough to get on with Daddy Guberment while YOU pay their salary's. what a Gig eh

SNIP:
We’ve all seen the same headlines repeating for the last six years so often that it’s become part and parcel of the national milieu. Times are hard, wages are stagnant and pay isn’t keeping up with the cost of living. It’s tough out there to be sure, but there’s one segment of the American population where that doesn’t seem to be true. If you happen to work for the federal government – regardless of the job you hold, how well you perform or what happens to the market – you’re probably making way more than your counterparts in the private sector. (Government Executive Magazine)

Federal employees on average earned 78 percent more in total compensation than private sector workers in 2014, according to a new study from a conservative think tank.

The Cato Institute’s Chris Edwards compared data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis to show that, in his view, civilian federal workers are overcompensated. Factoring both salary and benefits, Edwards pointed to BEA data showing the average federal employee earns about $119,000 annually, compared to the private sector worker who earns $67,000 per year. When comparing just salaries, feds collect 50 percent bigger paychecks, Edwards said.

Back in 1990 the gap was smaller but still in place. Federal workers back then earned, on average, 39% more than private sector employees performing the same jobs. Owing to the rules of the free market, that shifted for a while during the tech boom of the late nineties, at least in a few sectors of the job market. When there were a limited number of workers skilled in a new industry, wages shot up and passed their government colleagues who were generally held to raises which follow a set formula.

Unfortunately, as Wall Street tanked and the market completely stalled, the private sector paid the price while the federal government kept on plugging along with slower, but steady increases in most cases. This led to what the study’s author describes as a situation where the Washington bureaucracy became “an elite island of secure and high-paid employment, separated from the ocean of average Americans competing in the economy.”

Of course, it doesn’t help that it’s nearly impossible to fire a federal employee.

ALL of it here:
Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts « Hot Air

Federal workers do make more for several reasons.

• Federal workers are better educated on average than their private sector counterparts. 52 percent have a Bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to just 32 percent of private sector workers. On average, they are four years older as well (45 vs. 41). Older, better educated workers are bound to have incomes above the national average.
  
• There will always be inequities in federal civil service compared to the public sector because civil service pay is not market driven. On the low end of the salary scale federal building custodians have very good benefits compared to their private sector counter parts and thus fair much better in comparison with the private sector. On the high end of the scale, software developers make huge salaries in the private sector compared to the public sector.
• The private sector tends to hire younger workers who often lack both education and experience and thus can not demand higher pay. The more productive workers are kept and the remainder are fired. Federal Civil Service can not operate like this. It must hire the best qualified person for the job and once they are hired they can't be fired because the boss has found someone who will work for lower pay.

so we should take it that all this BS about "income Equality" spewed by the left/dem/libs is just that. ALL BULLSHIT

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

 

[leftwinger]

they must laugh at the rest of the people not "lucky" enough to get on with Daddy Guberment while YOU pay their salary's. what a Gig eh

SNIP:
We’ve all seen the same headlines repeating for the last six years so often that it’s become part and parcel of the national milieu. Times are hard, wages are stagnant and pay isn’t keeping up with the cost of living. It’s tough out there to be sure, but there’s one segment of the American population where that doesn’t seem to be true. If you happen to work for the federal government – regardless of the job you hold, how well you perform or what happens to the market – you’re probably making way more than your counterparts in the private sector. (Government Executive Magazine)

Federal employees on average earned 78 percent more in total compensation than private sector workers in 2014, according to a new study from a conservative think tank.

The Cato Institute’s Chris Edwards compared data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis to show that, in his view, civilian federal workers are overcompensated. Factoring both salary and benefits, Edwards pointed to BEA data showing the average federal employee earns about $119,000 annually, compared to the private sector worker who earns $67,000 per year. When comparing just salaries, feds collect 50 percent bigger paychecks, Edwards said.

Back in 1990 the gap was smaller but still in place. Federal workers back then earned, on average, 39% more than private sector employees performing the same jobs. Owing to the rules of the free market, that shifted for a while during the tech boom of the late nineties, at least in a few sectors of the job market. When there were a limited number of workers skilled in a new industry, wages shot up and passed their government colleagues who were generally held to raises which follow a set formula.

Unfortunately, as Wall Street tanked and the market completely stalled, the private sector paid the price while the federal government kept on plugging along with slower, but steady increases in most cases. This led to what the study’s author describes as a situation where the Washington bureaucracy became “an elite island of secure and high-paid employment, separated from the ocean of average Americans competing in the economy.”

Of course, it doesn’t help that it’s nearly impossible to fire a federal employee.

ALL of it here:
Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts « Hot Air

Federal workers do make more for several reasons.

• Federal workers are better educated on average than their private sector counterparts. 52 percent have a Bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to just 32 percent of private sector workers. On average, they are four years older as well (45 vs. 41). Older, better educated workers are bound to have incomes above the national average.
  
• There will always be inequities in federal civil service compared to the public sector because civil service pay is not market driven. On the low end of the salary scale federal building custodians have very good benefits compared to their private sector counter parts and thus fair much better in comparison with the private sector. On the high end of the scale, software developers make huge salaries in the private sector compared to the public sector.
• The private sector tends to hire younger workers who often lack both education and experience and thus can not demand higher pay. The more productive workers are kept and the remainder are fired. Federal Civil Service can not operate like this. It must hire the best qualified person for the job and once they are hired they can't be fired because the boss has found someone who will work for lower pay.

so we should take it that all this BS about "income Equality" spewed by the left/dem/libs is just that. ALL BULLSHIT

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

AND private industry will "disappear" or go out of business if they make on-going poor decisions or have to raise prices.......competitors take over.
GOVT simply continues on with "whatever" running up debt and then it comes (RAISE TAXES).

 

[idb]

To all of you uneducated trash that complain about education.

"“Federal employees tend to be better educated and work in jobs that require higher skill levels compared to non-federal jobs"

Snobs!

 

[leftwinger]

Government union members will be fired if they strike

come on. The SEC watched porn 6 hours during Madoff......the examples are endless. Teachers on full pay in rubber rooms. They never get fired. you may have pasted one technicality......sigh. Tiring.

 

[OnePercenter]

You're a fucking retard. The typical small businessman barely pays his bills, and maybe has a little left so he can support his family.

An employee is always paid first, before the businessman gets his share.

I have actually run a business, and I'm running a business now.

You're suck a clueless, mindless, dumbfuck I shouldn't even be talking to you.

Yeah, OK.

The fact is any small business person that has been in business for any length of time is making 'bank.' If they're not, they need to hire someone to run their business and stay home.

If you actually run a business for somebody else, your employer has figured that out. If you've developed additional income streams for the business and aren't collecting a salary AND percentage, you're are an idiot.

If you truly are a one-percenter, it was given to you by your wealthy parents. I can tell you are not a self-made man, because you have no clue how the world really works.

Bloviating.

 

[OnePercenter]

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

Almost all government contracts have a minimum wage statement which is higher than the prevailing rate, so employees of government contractors make more than non-government, which helps the economy.

 

[leftwinger]

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

Almost all government contracts have a minimum wage statement which is higher than the prevailing rate, so employees of government contractors make more than non-government, which helps the economy.

I'll give it a reluctant "agree" too tired to deal with it and MLB is on. We could get into what GOVT produces which helps the economy, or duplication of efforts, waste etc. I am not expert but it seems "bloated"? at FED level and most state govts also.

 

[Dad2three]

MORE RIGHT WING NONSENSE. Shocking the Gov't has lots of store clerks and burger flippers??

Are Federal Workers Overpaid?

But such details (easily extracted from the regular Current Population Survey) explain why federal workers are paid more and why their average compensation has risen higher. They also show that federal employment creates proportionately far more middle-class jobs than the private sector.

In 2008, only 14 percent of federal workers were on part-time schedules, compared to 26 percent in the private sector. Federal workers were far older on average: 55 percent were between the ages of 45 and 64, compared to 36 percent of private-sector workers. Furthermore, 45 percent of federal workers held a college degree or higher educational credential, compared to 29 percent of private-sector workers.



...The biggest difference between private and federal employment, illustrated in the graph above, lies in the proportion of jobs paying less than $25,000 a year. In 2008 more than 43 percent of private-sector workers earned less than $25,000 a year. Most federal employees fell squarely in the middle earnings brackets, making $25,000 to $75,000 a year.


http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/are-federal-workers-overpaid/?_r=0



Federal workers out-earn private sector ones ... at the low end. At the high end, they earn less.

 

[Blackrook]

I run a small business, so where's all my big money?

Do you have any clue how many small businesses fail? We have empty storefronts all over our town, each a gravestone for a small business that failed.

It sounds as though you are complacent. How many additional income streams have you developed this month? None, I'll bet.

How many small businesses will fail? 99%

Why?

1)Didn't have five years total capital.
2)Didn't know who to hire (which you SHOULD farm out)
3)Hired family. NEVER, EVER, EVER, HIRE FAMILY.

The only way to get five years capital for a guy who served two years in the military and had no other job is that your family is banking you until you get on your feet.

And if that's happening for you, then great, but not all of us are lucky enough to have rich parents.

You say you're a rich businessman, but then you condemn all other businessmen, so what does that say about you?

Some day I'd like to be as wealthy as you, but you are making it harder when you go on a forum and bad mouth people who are trying to climb the ladder to get where you are.

 

[Blackrook]

Government unions are the worst thing that ever happened to this country.

When a union bargains with a private business, the negotiations are between equals.

When a union bargains with the government, the unions have all the power since they are paying contributions to the people who are representing the government.

And now we see what has happened. Government workers have higher pay, better health benefits, and generous retirement packages, the private sector jobs.

Employees of small business have none of the benefits, and will have only social security at retirement.

Private union members can threaten a strike if they don't agree with proposed benefits. Government union members will be fired if they strike

That doesn't matter. Government unions are negotiating with politicians who were put there by government unions.

 

[Dad2three]

Where's your link? You know I'm not going to take your word that someone in the landscaping business has a golden parachute, right? They average around 24K a year.

Landscape Laborer Salary (United States)

He works for the city dumbass.

Then you should have no problem finding a link.

I'll wait here.

Keep on waiting.

That's what I thought, nitwit.

Sorry,the guy I know doesnt have his own link.
Unlike the escort service you're the star of.

The "guy' you know probably gets what MOST Gov't workers get, 2% a year at retirement, generally min 30 years or 60 y/o...

2% times 30 years is 60% of his income. Less if he wants to have a beneficiary amount (wife)...

 

[Dad2three]

Don't Buy the Myth That Government Workers Are Overpaid

Don't Buy the Myth That Government Workers Are Overpaid



Federal Government Employees Earn Less Than Private Sector Peers





"You have to consider differences in experience and education," said Jeffrey H. Keefe, a professor with Rutgers University's School of Management and Labor Relations. "My suspicion is the federal government is really weighted heavily towards professional [jobs]."

Indeed, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the mix of jobs held by federal government civilian employees is different from the jobs held by the entire private sector. The private sector mix includes everything from minimum-wage jobs to highly paid CEOs.

Studies conducted by the Congressional Budget Office found that jobs in the federal government are concentrated in professional, administrative and technical occupations. Moreover, the federal government outsources most of its lower-skilled jobs, such as janitors and other positions that require less than a high school education.



Comparing all federal wages with all private wages is an apples-to-oranges comparison because the basket of federal wages mostly does not include many low-pay or minimum-wage jobs.


Government Workers Overpaid?

 

[leftwinger]

MORE RIGHT WING NONSENSE. Shocking the Gov't has lots of store clerks and burger flippers??

Are Federal Workers Overpaid?

But such details (easily extracted from the regular Current Population Survey) explain why federal workers are paid more and why their average compensation has risen higher. They also show that federal employment creates proportionately far more middle-class jobs than the private sector.

In 2008, only 14 percent of federal workers were on part-time schedules, compared to 26 percent in the private sector. Federal workers were far older on average: 55 percent were between the ages of 45 and 64, compared to 36 percent of private-sector workers. Furthermore, 45 percent of federal workers held a college degree or higher educational credential, compared to 29 percent of private-sector workers.



...The biggest difference between private and federal employment, illustrated in the graph above, lies in the proportion of jobs paying less than $25,000 a year. In 2008 more than 43 percent of private-sector workers earned less than $25,000 a year. Most federal employees fell squarely in the middle earnings brackets, making $25,000 to $75,000 a year.


http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/are-federal-workers-overpaid/?_r=0



Federal workers out-earn private sector ones ... at the low end. At the high end, they earn less.

I know better than to get into this.....you might be a lawyer? BUT, you must look at total compensation. I believe your chart is showing base pay only.

 

[Dad2three]

MORE RIGHT WING NONSENSE. Shocking the Gov't has lots of store clerks and burger flippers??

Are Federal Workers Overpaid?

But such details (easily extracted from the regular Current Population Survey) explain why federal workers are paid more and why their average compensation has risen higher. They also show that federal employment creates proportionately far more middle-class jobs than the private sector.

In 2008, only 14 percent of federal workers were on part-time schedules, compared to 26 percent in the private sector. Federal workers were far older on average: 55 percent were between the ages of 45 and 64, compared to 36 percent of private-sector workers. Furthermore, 45 percent of federal workers held a college degree or higher educational credential, compared to 29 percent of private-sector workers.



...The biggest difference between private and federal employment, illustrated in the graph above, lies in the proportion of jobs paying less than $25,000 a year. In 2008 more than 43 percent of private-sector workers earned less than $25,000 a year. Most federal employees fell squarely in the middle earnings brackets, making $25,000 to $75,000 a year.


http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/are-federal-workers-overpaid/?_r=0



Federal workers out-earn private sector ones ... at the low end. At the high end, they earn less.

I know better than to get into this.....you might be a lawyer? BUT, you must look at total compensation. I believe your chart is showing base pay only.

Compare apples to Apples then. See my last link


US GOV'T DOESN'T HAVE MANY WALMART ASSOCIATES, MCD'S EMPLOYEES AND VERY FEW JANITORS!!!

 

[Dad2three]

Apples-to-Oranges

But any compensation comparison between the average federal civilian employee and average private-sector employee oversimplifies the debate, glossing over the important differences in occupation, skill level, age, and education that determine salaries. The BEA has posted an FAQ on federal pay, providing a number of reasons why the average compensation for federal civilian employees is higher than the average compensation for private-sector employees:

• Federal civilian workers are more educated.
• The federal government has a higher proportion of white-collar jobs.
• “Lower-skilled (and lower-paid) positions have been contracted out to private industries” in recent years, raising the average pay of federal civilian employees.
• Federal civilian workers receive better pension and health insurance benefits on average than private-sector employees, some of whom receive no benefits.

Apples-to-Apples

...To determine the annual adjustment in locality pay, OPM produces a report every year that summarizes a comparison of federal pay — just salaries, not total compensation — with pay levels in non-federal "establishments" based on geographic location and job responsibilities. In the 2009 report, OPM found that federal workers were paid on average 22.13 percent less (Table 4) than their private-sector counterparts. The gap increased to 24 percent this year, the Washington Post recently reported.

Are Federal Workers Overpaid?