Let's talk about the oft repeated phrase "a threat to democracy" we believe trump presents.

[berg80]

Eastman memo? Lol. Get real.

There is a link to the memo in the OP.

 

[Billiejeens]

There is a link to the memo in the OP.

So?

 

[berg80]

I'd trust him and that as much as I'd trust gas station sushi. Even if it was true, there's still nothing there that's illegal and in fact it's absolutely democratic. One man, one vote. Democracy.

The Eastman memo lays out the unconstitutional plan of having Pence reject legitimate electors in favor of fake ones.

 

[Billiejeens]

The Eastman memo lays out the unconstitutional plan of having Pence reject legitimate electors in favor of fake ones.

It's a legitimate legal theory.
Lawyers give clients legal advice.

 

[Seymour Flops]

But that's not actually true. There were thousands of votes not counted at all because the machines couldn't read them. Gore's lawsuit asked to count these thousands of ballots by hand.

You're either re-writing history, or you're reading re-written history.

Thousands of ballots were counted by hand, we all saw video of these Democrats holding up ballots, with their glasses on their heads so they could look at them from inches away, trying to discern voters' intent from ballots that the Democrat machines made easy to screw up. Gore wanted recount after recount, which the USSC put a stop to.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. It doesn't matter if the problem affected people indiscriminately. It's a problem that it affected people at all.

Not sure what lawsuit you're referring to here. The idea that ballots were delivered in mass after midnight is mostly a myth and any nugget of truth beneath isn't indicative of fraud. Votes were not counted privately.

Changing the rules of the election after the people voted would effectively disenfranchise people who did nothing wrong.

You mean like when Gore sued to have the vote-counting deadline extended?

So would changing the rules before the election if the new rules allowed mass cheating.

Because he went beyond just filing lawsuits.

Really? Like making speeches? Also not illegal, as of yet.

I assure you, people who are advised by attorneys can and do violate the law.

Yes, but Trump did not.

Saying it is the most corrupt election US history is indeed very dramatic. The evidence of this "corruption" remains just a right wing myth to this day. Maybe you don't care about his attempt to disenfranchise people because you don't feel like he attempted to disenfranchise you specifically.

Calling evidence 'a myth' does not change the evidence.

I want nobody disenfranchise.

Did the shooter try to disenfranchise every Trump supporter?

Who do you want elected president in 2024?

 

[yidnar]

We spend so much time talking past each other I thought it might be useful to be more exacting in reference to what is meant by that phrase. It is most frequently used in the context of what another trump presidency may bring. Based in part on certain remarks he's made about retribution against his perceived enemies. And on the disavowed document, Project 2025, laying out a blueprint for what another term portends.

The thing is, we don't have to speculate about whether a threat will materialize..........it already has. I should say at this point I'm reluctant to illustrate what I mean because I know what kind of reaction it will elicit. But the point of the post is to be specific, not vague, so here goes.

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
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The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

Here's a link to the Eastman memo. https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/20/eastman.memo.pdf

I'm hoping not to get bogged down by folks who will not accept this meeting actually did take place. If you can't accept that it did this would be a good jumping off point for you.

Moving on, we come to the matter of Jeffrey Clark. You may or may not recall trump wanted to name him acting AG in order to use the influence of the DoJ to pursue baseless claims of massive voter fraud, specifically in GA. When some of the top DoJ officials heard of trump's desire they threatened to quit en masse if he promoted Clark.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials​

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would affect the state’s election results.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials (Published 2022)

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would...

www.nytimes.com

Former DOJ officials detail threatening to resign en masse in meeting with Trump​

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1107217243/former-doj-officials-detail-threatening-resign-en-masse-trump-meeting

Finally, we come to trump's participation in the fake elector scheme.

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election​

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election

The most comprehensive factual record of former President Donald Trump and his close associates coordination of the false electors scheme.

www.justsecurity.org

Overwhelming documentary and testimonial evidence proves beyond any doubt these things I've outlined happened. All of which with one goal in mind. To create a scenario leading to trump remaining in power.

I do not pretend to speak for anyone but myself when I say this is what is meant when I contend trump is a threat to democracy. He has already threatened it. There is every reason to believe he will threaten it again. Especially after the recent rulings of his SCOTUS.

Ultimately, I'm asking trump supporters to examine the record I've laid out. The demonstrable evidence shows trump and his cohorts tried to change the outcome of a presidential election. I can think of few greater threats to democracy than that. They say past is prologue, hence my (our) concern.

did you vote in the dem primary ?? are you ok with your Marxist leaders stripping away your vote ?

 

[berg80]

Ok, so you are abandoning the idea that DOJ prosecutions of Democrats would be a threat to democracy?

If there is sufficient evidence that a grand jury finds is reason enough to vote to indict I have no issue with a Democrat being prosecuted. Like Sen. Menendez for example.

 

[berg80]

So, you just want to repeat the Democrat talking point "threat to democracy," hoping that either enough people will believe it for Biden to win or that another nutjob will believe it and take another shot at him?

Have at it!

It's not a talking point as I explained in the OP.

 

[yidnar]

Please confine your remarks to the subject of the thread rather than take a defensive posture by bringing up whataboutisms.

the threads is about a threat to democracy .. and yet you criticize anyone that brings up anti democratic actions taken by the left .

 

[yidnar]

Trump has committed treasonous, historic crimes: attempting to overturn a presidential election, disenfranchise millions of Americans, and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power – Trump is in fact an enemy of democracy.

is Trump trying to disenfranchise millions of democrat primary voters ?

 

[berg80]

did you vote in the dem primary ?? are you ok with your Marxist leaders stripping away your vote ?

It's Biden's decision to make.

 

[berg80]

is Trump trying to disenfranchise millions of democrat primary voters ?

That's a specious analogy.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Ok, so you are abandoning the idea that DOJ prosecutions of Democrats would be a threat to democracy?

What DOJ prosecutions of Democrats?

New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez?

Why would anybody be talking about prosecuting Democrats? Is this like the Trump/MAGA "Lock Her Up" shit?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Please confine your remarks to the subject of the thread rather than take a defensive posture by bringing up whataboutisms.

Right how dare anyone point out your hypocrisy.

 

[whitehall]

"Oft repeated" by a dwindling number of left wing radicals who wouldn't know democracy if they fell over it.

 

[yidnar]

It's Biden's decision to make.

not according to leftwing leaders and elites ? are you angry that the leftwing MSM and dem leaders lied to you and covered up his cognitive issues to get him elected and continued to do so until it was impossible to continue to do so after the debate .. Bribens unpopularity with Americans is not because of his health .. its because of his disastrous radical far left policies ..

 

[berg80]

the threads is about a threat to democracy .. and yet you criticize anyone that brings up anti democratic actions taken by the left .

The thread is an explanation of the threat trump already posed. I gave three examples of acts he participated in that were designed to end the constitutional order we have known since the founding.

 

[berg80]

not according to leftwing leaders and elites ? are you angry that the leftwing MSM and dem leaders lied to you and covered up his cognitive issues to get him elected and continued to do so until it was impossible to continue to do so after the debate .. Bribens unpopularity with Americans is not because of his health .. its because of his disastrous radical far left policies ..

They are asking him to step down because polls indicate he won't win.

 

[Redheaded Stranger]

I listened to the entire meeting with the Georgia officials. I challenge any libtard here to tell me where the crime occurred. Bring it, tards. I will crush you!

 

[berg80]

Right how dare anyone point out your hypocrisy.

There is no hypocrisy.