GOP Has Had the Opportunity for Budget Negotiations...

[martybegan]

Obama never said he wouldn't negotiate: he said he wouldn't negotiate away Obamacare, and so long as that was the GOP, there was NOTHING TO negotiate. A negotiation implies a willingness to compromise and allow the other side to have what it has to have for a deal. Obama ALREADY had Obamacare, and the gop's demand was he give up that for ... nothing. Mainstream conservatives have said from day one this woudl be a gop clustrfk, and it is.

The real damage to the country is that we have a potus who reallly is interested in getting a grand bargain to move the country away from having a debt/gnp approaching 200% because he wants his LEGACY. Obama is a lot of things, but humble he ain't. The GOP simply let the TPM misread what the negotiation was about.

2011 proved Obama is willing to go to the right of Chariman Pelosi and Harry "bare knuckles" Reid. But now we're not gonna have any movement on entitlements. Maybe after 2016 ... assuming the dems to well.

The republicans were implying they might come to the table if Obama agrees to push the individual mandate back, as he did with the corporate mandate. he refused.

THAT would have been a compromise.

Oh yeah, a one year delay was not really and end to the act. Of course rational people believe that. Even though there are multiple reports to the contrary. Of course the TPM was being reasonalble.

Of course. Really. Sincerely.

Kind of like Obama promising to neogotiate AFTER the Republicans gave in to all his demands.

Of Course. Really. Sincerely....

 

[JakeStarkey]

And all of the TeaP shenanigans incredibly weakens the far reactionary right and enhances Christie's chances in 2016.

 

[bendog]

The republicans were implying they might come to the table if Obama agrees to push the individual mandate back, as he did with the corporate mandate. he refused.

THAT would have been a compromise.

Oh yeah, a one year delay was not really and end to the act. Of course rational people believe that. Even though there are multiple reports to the contrary. Of course the TPM was being reasonalble.

Of course. Really. Sincerely.

Kind of like Obama promising to neogotiate AFTER the Republicans gave in to all his demands.

Of Course. Really. Sincerely....

Look dude, you premised with a lie, that the gop really wanted only a year delay. When a lie is met with derision don't act like your underwear don't smell like shite.

 

[martybegan]

Oh yeah, a one year delay was not really and end to the act. Of course rational people believe that. Even though there are multiple reports to the contrary. Of course the TPM was being reasonalble.

Of course. Really. Sincerely.

Kind of like Obama promising to neogotiate AFTER the Republicans gave in to all his demands.

Of Course. Really. Sincerely....

Look dude, you premised with a lie, that the gop really wanted only a year delay. When a lie is met with derision don't act like your underwear don't smell like shite.

How do you know its a "lie" did that 10 year old boy look-alike Rachel Maddow tell you thats the "truth"

 

[bendog]

And all of the TeaP shenanigans incredibly weakens the far reactionary right and enhances Christie's chances in 2016.

I disagree with your premise that Christie's chances for 16 are increased. Romney faltered to TPM support early in Iowa an SC. Mitt only righted the ship in Fla ... after adopting TMP stances on every issue. And really the general election was over, because Obama painted Mitt an uncaring plutocrat who thought the govt should be defunded ... and he pretty much ran as one.

And even then Colo, Minn and maine weren't showing him love ... and that's a pretty broad cross section of America

The polling I saw on Todd's show, with the MSNBC/WSJ poll, showed something like 70% of the TPM still saying shutting down the govt to defund Obamacare was the right thing to do.

Christie is still only 58 in 2020 and 62 in 24.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Desperation by the left at this point to throw anything at the wall and hope it sticks.

 

[FA_Q2]

Obama never said he wouldn't negotiate: he said he wouldn't negotiate away Obamacare, and so long as that was the GOP, there was NOTHING TO negotiate. A negotiation implies a willingness to compromise and allow the other side to have what it has to have for a deal. Obama ALREADY had Obamacare, and the gop's demand was he give up that for ... nothing. Mainstream conservatives have said from day one this woudl be a gop clustrfk, and it is.

The real damage to the country is that we have a potus who reallly is interested in getting a grand bargain to move the country away from having a debt/gnp approaching 200% because he wants his LEGACY. Obama is a lot of things, but humble he ain't. The GOP simply let the TPM misread what the negotiation was about.

2011 proved Obama is willing to go to the right of Chariman Pelosi and Harry "bare knuckles" Reid. But now we're not gonna have any movement on entitlements. Maybe after 2016 ... assuming the dems to well.

Obama Calls John Boehner, Says He Still Won't Negotiate Obama tells congressional leaders he won't negotiate on shutdown, debt Obama's no-negotiation stance setting new tone Obama: No negotiations 'with a gun held to the head of the American people' - First Read Obama: I will not negotiate on the debt ceiling

Why the blatant lie? Obama has stated over and over again that he WILL NOT deal. Period.

Claiming that you are going to deal after you get what you want is not dealing and that is the only thing that he has 'agreed' to do. The dems will not dealon thisissue and the inclusion of Obamacare is not the reason for that stance. They will not even come to the table here. Whether or not that is the correct thing for the dems to do is another argument all together. Some feel that the dems should not be dealing here but that is beside the point. It is almost impossibleto debatethisissuewithoutat least some honesty in the positions that the two sides are taking.

 

[J.E.D]

....they have just refused to come to the table.

GOP Wants Budget Conference It Has Blocked For Last Six Months To Undo Shutdown

House Republicans have had an opportunity to conference with the Senate since April. That’s when lawmakers in the Senate, led by Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), passed a budget and opened the door to create a committee to hash out the differences between that bill and the House budget, which it passed in March. Republicans had made the lack of a Democratic Senate budget a talking point for three years, arguing that Congress should return to “regular order” by passing budgets in both chambers and conferencing to work out the differences. Yet after the Senate passed a bill and the opportunity to do so became real, Senate Republicans blocked Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) from creating a conference committee.

In the months after that, those Republicans blocked 18 separate attempts to go to a budget conference with the House.

Republicans have offered a variety of excuses for not wanting to go to conference on the Senate Democratic budget bill. They have cited the need to work out rules, the requirement that a “framework” be worked out before heading into negotiations (which would likely be setting up a deal that cuts spending without raising any new revenue), and the demand that conferees be barred from addressing the need to raise the debt ceiling, which will need to be lifted in mid-October, claiming they are “preventing a back room deal to raise the debt limit.”

After they passed on the opportunity to proceed to regular order and a budget conference, Republicans began making demands in order to continue funding the government, starting with defunding the Affordable Care Act. That was just the latest in a series of demands the party has made in exchange for either keeping the government open and operational or raising the debt ceiling so that the country doesn’t default on its debt.

How is a budget, which is a funding bill, which originates from the Senate constitutional?

All revenue bills have to originate from the House.

That's your response? Seriously?

 

[waronwhistleblo]