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And? Obama will simply wait that one out too. Then Boehner will cave on that as well. this is a victory for obama and he'll continue his "my way or the highway" strategy. there's simply no reason for him to negotiate.
Well, there's no reason for him to behave as if he's lost a vote.
So you are making my point now?
If Boehner makes this offer and obama takes it, he will have no reason at all to negotiate, none.
Why the fresh hell would obama negotiate after Boehner gives him what he wants?
As I have just demonstrated, Obama already has proposals on the table. Why haven't the people who pour your piss informed you of them? Were they too busy talking about Michelle's fat ass? Why did you not bother to find this out for yourself?
Well, there's no reason for him to behave as if he's lost a vote.
So you are making my point now?
If Boehner makes this offer and obama takes it, he will have no reason at all to negotiate, none.
Other than the fact he has put deal after deal forward. No reason to expect that he would stop. But he's not going to pretend he lost the votes and SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare. So far, that has been what the GOP has demanded him to do.
It ain't gonna happen.
The GOP will have to negotiate without ACA on the table.
The GOP will have to negotiate without ACA on the table.
Shutdown Day 10: House GOP will propose a short-term debt ceiling plan - CNN.com
It is a beginning. I think it will work. Maybe if they sit down and talk they can work something out.
The GOP will have to negotiate without ACA on the table.
Then what do they have to negotiate? Nothing. They are already giving in on the debt ceiling, what do they have? Zip, zilch, nada.
Shutdown Day 10: House GOP will propose a short-term debt ceiling plan - CNN.com
It is a beginning. I think it will work. Maybe if they sit down and talk they can work something out.
The GOP has always been willing to kick the can down the road and ignore the fact that the solution to our never ending problems (reform of the tax code, immigration and border security, energy policy, deficit spending and the massive debt) is to fix the systemic ones, i.e., the committee system in The Congress and rules which allow a minority - sometimes a minority of one - absolute power to debate an issue or even to put an issue to an up or down vote.
The GOP will have to negotiate without ACA on the table.
Then what do they have to negotiate? Nothing. They are already giving in on the debt ceiling, what do they have? Zip, zilch, nada.
The GOP will have to negotiate without ACA on the table.
Then what do they have to negotiate? Nothing. They are already giving in on the debt ceiling, what do they have? Zip, zilch, nada.
Shutdown Day 10: House GOP will propose a short-term debt ceiling plan - CNN.com
It is a beginning. I think it will work. Maybe if they sit down and talk they can work something out.
The GOP has always been willing to kick the can down the road and ignore the fact that the solution to our never ending problems (reform of the tax code, immigration and border security, energy policy, deficit spending and the massive debt) is to fix the systemic ones, i.e., the committee system in The Congress and rules which allow a minority - sometimes a minority of one - absolute power to debate an issue or even to put an issue to an up or down vote.
The Dems have been willing to kick the can down the road themselves. But in this case it is only prolonging the GOP downturn. Everytime they trot out this "hold government hostage" strategy - they get their asses kicked. They might as well rip the bandaid of once - quickly - and then be done with it.
Either stand up and make your big play - or find a new strategy. Everytime they do this - they lose support that they just can't seem to win back.
Why the fresh hell would obama negotiate after Boehner gives him what he wants?
As I have just demonstrated, Obama already has proposals on the table. Why haven't the people who pour your piss informed you of them? Were they too busy talking about Michelle's fat ass? Why did you not bother to find this out for yourself?
The GOP will have to negotiate without ACA on the table.
Then what do they have to negotiate? Nothing. They are already giving in on the debt ceiling, what do they have? Zip, zilch, nada.
Means testing medicare and soc sec, extending the elig age, caps on HC spending (gonna be tough there with Obama), pipeline, loopholes for lower rates .... essenitally the issue now is reducing the debt/gnp ratios predicted by CBO. Which was what the issue should have been all along.... Or at least I hope the gop's regained its sanity and manhood.
The GOP has always been willing to kick the can down the road and ignore the fact that the solution to our never ending problems (reform of the tax code, immigration and border security, energy policy, deficit spending and the massive debt) is to fix the systemic ones, i.e., the committee system in The Congress and rules which allow a minority - sometimes a minority of one - absolute power to debate an issue or even to put an issue to an up or down vote.
The Dems have been willing to kick the can down the road themselves. But in this case it is only prolonging the GOP downturn. Everytime they trot out this "hold government hostage" strategy - they get their asses kicked. They might as well rip the bandaid of once - quickly - and then be done with it.
Either stand up and make your big play - or find a new strategy. Everytime they do this - they lose support that they just can't seem to win back.
It's true both parties have been to willing to kick the can down the road, generally leaving important issues unresolved for years. Leaders who put highly partisan members into committee chairs only exacerbate a broken system.
How much money did Darrell Issa cost the taxpayers with his partisan investigations, and what did he accomplish?
Why the fresh hell would obama negotiate after Boehner gives him what he wants?
As I have just demonstrated, Obama already has proposals on the table. Why haven't the people who pour your piss informed you of them? Were they too busy talking about Michelle's fat ass? Why did you not bother to find this out for yourself?
Obama's "proposals" consist of "give me more money to spend and more control over the economy." Why would anyone "negotiate" with that? That isn't negotiation. That's giving in to a spoiled child.
Shutdown Day 10: House GOP will propose a short-term debt ceiling plan - CNN.com
It is a beginning. I think it will work. Maybe if they sit down and talk they can work something out.
The Dems have been willing to kick the can down the road themselves. But in this case it is only prolonging the GOP downturn. Everytime they trot out this "hold government hostage" strategy - they get their asses kicked. They might as well rip the bandaid of once - quickly - and then be done with it.
Either stand up and make your big play - or find a new strategy. Everytime they do this - they lose support that they just can't seem to win back.
It's true both parties have been to willing to kick the can down the road, generally leaving important issues unresolved for years. Leaders who put highly partisan members into committee chairs only exacerbate a broken system.
How much money did Darrell Issa cost the taxpayers with his partisan investigations, and what did he accomplish?
So you oppose the GOP temporarily raising the debt ceiling. Good.
Issa's investigations are turning over some nasty shit. Latest is that the IRS shared confidential data with the White House. That is a felony, in case you have any knowledge of law enforcement, which I doubt.
