GOP ... states can keep Obamacare

[Mac1958]

The Democrats should have done the right thing the FIRST damn time and extended the Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public funding and dynamic private competition.

Now we're going to end up with some kind of Frankenstein's fucking monster.

Thanks, "leaders".
.

Democrats couldn't even get the public option past the Blue Dogs. You think Medicare for all would have flown?

The whole thing is a mystery to me. What I describe was from Satan himself, but the mess we're looking at now was fine with them.

This is why I place so little faith or trust in these people.
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[jc456]

The GOP owns healthcare now.

Prediction: When healthcare costs go up again next year, the pseudocons will call it "fake news".

why are you opposed to getting it done right? It currently doesn't work as advertised, to say differently is just nonsense.

I have never said ObamaCare works as advertised. In fact, I have said over and over, since the beginning, it was a massive bait and switch con.

But as I have pointed out, also countless times, if you have a situation where healthcare costs have been rising faster than inflation and GDP for DECADES, and you offer the American people Plan A (from the Democrats) and NOTHING (from the Republicans), the people will always choose Plan A, even if it sucks.

The GOP now owns the healthcare problem. They campaigned on it. And now they are in a panic. They are the dog that caught the car and don't know what to do next.

I agree. Let's finish confirming the cabinet and then let's move.

 

[g5000]

The GOP owns healthcare now.

Prediction: When healthcare costs go up again next year, the pseudocons will call it "fake news".

why are you opposed to getting it done right? It currently doesn't work as advertised, to say differently is just nonsense.

I am not opposed to getting it done right. In fact, I have put my proposal for doing it right on this forum countless times.

I have yet to see the GOP do the same. Or Trump.

Trump lied when he said he has a "beautiful" plan. He's waiting for someone to drop one in his lap for which he can take credit.

I have ZERO confidence the GOP Congress and the huckster President will succeed in bringing down healthcare costs.

They had their chance when Bush was President and healthcare costs accelerated.

well shit, Trump just got there Friday and froze it for now. He still needs a cabinet, why not ask congress to complete their fking jobs and then let's let Trump actually concentrate on getting some dialog going with everyone. Most everyone is in agreement something needs to be done to the ACA in it's current state. Whatever anyone wishes to call correcting is meaningless to me. Mandate is over. It will die on its own without funding. And if I was trump I'd make sure the country knows why the congress let it die. Again, trump was a third party candidate running under the GOP banner. He is my president and selected by me cause he was not a member of either party. I want him to shake the shit out of DC and stop all of the useless finger pointing and get the job done for America.

Trump said he had a plan. It was right there on his campaign web site. And he said just the other day he had a "beautiful" plan.

He said he would repeal and replace on Day One.

What's more, the GOP has had SEVEN YEARS to put a replacement on the table. Instead, they have put NOTHING on the table.


Ever.

The rube herd never caught on, even though I have been pointing this out the whole time.

 

[SixFoot]

 

[g5000]

The GOP has had seven years to write a bill.

Where the fuck is it?

 

[g5000]

The GOP wrote sixty repeal bills, knowing they would not survive.

SIXTY!!!


They wrote and passed a bill to repeal all the taxes and fees in Obamacare, knowing it would be vetoed.

Where the FUCK is their replacement bill for ObamaCare? What the FUCK have they been doing all this time?

I told you clowns it was all theater for the rubes.

"Oh, shit. I didn't think we'd win! Now we have actually DO something? Dammit!!!"

 

[jc456]

The GOP owns healthcare now.

Prediction: When healthcare costs go up again next year, the pseudocons will call it "fake news".

why are you opposed to getting it done right? It currently doesn't work as advertised, to say differently is just nonsense.

I am not opposed to getting it done right. In fact, I have put my proposal for doing it right on this forum countless times.

I have yet to see the GOP do the same. Or Trump.

Trump lied when he said he has a "beautiful" plan. He's waiting for someone to drop one in his lap for which he can take credit.

I have ZERO confidence the GOP Congress and the huckster President will succeed in bringing down healthcare costs.

They had their chance when Bush was President and healthcare costs accelerated.

well shit, Trump just got there Friday and froze it for now. He still needs a cabinet, why not ask congress to complete their fking jobs and then let's let Trump actually concentrate on getting some dialog going with everyone. Most everyone is in agreement something needs to be done to the ACA in it's current state. Whatever anyone wishes to call correcting is meaningless to me. Mandate is over. It will die on its own without funding. And if I was trump I'd make sure the country knows why the congress let it die. Again, trump was a third party candidate running under the GOP banner. He is my president and selected by me cause he was not a member of either party. I want him to shake the shit out of DC and stop all of the useless finger pointing and get the job done for America.

Trump said he had a plan. It was right there on his campaign web site. And he said just the other day he had a "beautiful" plan.

He said he would repeal and replace on Day One.

What's more, the GOP has had SEVEN YEARS to put a replacement on the table. Instead, they have put NOTHING on the table.


Ever.

The rube herd never caught on, even though I have been pointing this out the whole time.

he froze it on day one, and relieved the burden of the mandate. done, that's about as repeal as one gets. It dies on its own without someone making up some new material. Yes he has a plan and he will put that plan to congress after congress gets off their ass and confirms the cabinet. What a bunch of DC punks not confirming appointments to make a fking grand stand. This is the kind of shit the people are fking tired of. Get your demoturd buddies heads out of their jealous ases and let's get to work. STALL isn't an option.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There is no such thing as Obamacare. It is page after page of fines and regulations sticking it to the hospitals and their patients. We can do much better. In fact we were doing much better before the obstruction.

uh huh, sure.

20 million people are having an insurance company pay for their medical bills now ... before, 20 million people were making taxpayers pay for their medical bills every time they went to a county hospital because they had NO insurance ..

RW logic is fucked up.

The people who had public benefits pay for their medical care still have public benefits pay for their medical care. That's what the subsidies are.

 

[g5000]

The GOP owns healthcare now.

Prediction: When healthcare costs go up again next year, the pseudocons will call it "fake news".

why are you opposed to getting it done right? It currently doesn't work as advertised, to say differently is just nonsense.

I am not opposed to getting it done right. In fact, I have put my proposal for doing it right on this forum countless times.

I have yet to see the GOP do the same. Or Trump.

Trump lied when he said he has a "beautiful" plan. He's waiting for someone to drop one in his lap for which he can take credit.

I have ZERO confidence the GOP Congress and the huckster President will succeed in bringing down healthcare costs.

They had their chance when Bush was President and healthcare costs accelerated.

well shit, Trump just got there Friday and froze it for now. He still needs a cabinet, why not ask congress to complete their fking jobs and then let's let Trump actually concentrate on getting some dialog going with everyone. Most everyone is in agreement something needs to be done to the ACA in it's current state. Whatever anyone wishes to call correcting is meaningless to me. Mandate is over. It will die on its own without funding. And if I was trump I'd make sure the country knows why the congress let it die. Again, trump was a third party candidate running under the GOP banner. He is my president and selected by me cause he was not a member of either party. I want him to shake the shit out of DC and stop all of the useless finger pointing and get the job done for America.

Trump said he had a plan. It was right there on his campaign web site. And he said just the other day he had a "beautiful" plan.

He said he would repeal and replace on Day One.

What's more, the GOP has had SEVEN YEARS to put a replacement on the table. Instead, they have put NOTHING on the table.


Ever.

The rube herd never caught on, even though I have been pointing this out the whole time.

he froze it on day one, and relieved the burden of the mandate. done, that's about as repeal as one gets. It dies on its own without someone making up some new material. Yes he has a plan and he will put that plan to congress after congress gets off their ass and confirms the cabinet. What a bunch of DC punks not confirming appointments to make a fking grand stand. This is the kind of shit the people are fking tired of. Get your demoturd buddies heads out of their jealous ases and let's get to work. STALL isn't an option.

Trump cannot repeal the mandate. Only Congress can do that. If he tries, I expect all you pseudocons to demand his immediate impeachment, just like you did Obama when he extended the employer mandate. If he refuses to enforce the mandate, I expect all you pseudocons to demand his impeachment just like you did Obama when he said he would not enforce our immigration laws for DACA kids.

As for the cabinet appointments, Trump and his nominees didn't get their shit together in time. It's on them, not Congress.

It's is hilarious you are whining about how long it is taking to confirm them when the GOP had SEVEN YEARS to write an ObamaCare replacement bill.

Where the fuck is it?

Obama put his plan on the table 18 MONTHS BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED.

Where is Trump's plan?

 

[dblack]

I am just sickened that the GOP has taken all healthcare away from the working poor. Things will change come 2018.

Yep. If we put government in charge of health care, then our health care will be up for grabs every election cycle.

 

[g5000]

Day One.

Trump said Day One.

"On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare."

"However, it is not enough to simply repeal this terrible legislation. We will work with Congress to make sure we have a series of reforms ready for implementation that follow free market principles and that will restore economic freedom and certainty to everyone in this country. By following free market principles and working together to create sound public policy that will broaden healthcare access, make healthcare more affordable and improve the quality of the care available to all Americans."

Healthcare Reform


Where the fuck is it?

 

[AntonToo]

The Democrats should have done the right thing the FIRST damn time and extended the Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public funding and dynamic private competition.

Now we're going to end up with some kind of Frankenstein's fucking monster.

Thanks, "leaders".
.

You're right, but even that would have pissed off a lot of people, who like me don't have to pay out much out of pocket for routine preventative exams and very rarely actually meet my deductible. I'd have to pay for medicare supplemenets, or face a real danger that me or mine would get something serious.

I'm not sure there was a good answer. In some ways, I think the dems original Obamacare that forced ALL states to expand Medicaid or lose all Medicaid dollars, was the right way to go, but the fine for not having HC should have been low, with more of the funding stream coming from the top 1%. They had 60 and they could have passed it.

Well, Medicare Advantage plans are closer to the PPO/HMO model, with some co-pays and deductibles, but have VERY low monthly premiums, from $0 to around $75. Medicare Supplements have higher premiums but cover pretty much EVERYTHING. And I'd be all for premium support where needed.

Right now we have seven (7) different delivery/payment systems: Group, individual, Medicare, Medicaid, VA, Worker's Comp and indigent care. That's fucking MADNESS. And worse, they don't communicate directly with each other. The inefficiencies are as bad as you'd imagine.

I think the answers are out there, but everyone is too busy screaming at each other.
.

You do realize that Medicare funding comes from payroll tax line item that would explode if everyone had to get covered suddenly?

It is right now 15% of total federal budget, 540 billion a year, extending it to everyone will at very least double or triple that to 1-1.5 Trillion a year. Comparatively ACA spending is only $150billion a year.

The Facts on Medicare Spending and Financing

Democrats will actually go along with that, but for Republicans this will be a total nonstarter and actually a lot closer to single payer than ACA ever will be.

 

[jc456]

why are you opposed to getting it done right? It currently doesn't work as advertised, to say differently is just nonsense.

I am not opposed to getting it done right. In fact, I have put my proposal for doing it right on this forum countless times.

I have yet to see the GOP do the same. Or Trump.

Trump lied when he said he has a "beautiful" plan. He's waiting for someone to drop one in his lap for which he can take credit.

I have ZERO confidence the GOP Congress and the huckster President will succeed in bringing down healthcare costs.

They had their chance when Bush was President and healthcare costs accelerated.

well shit, Trump just got there Friday and froze it for now. He still needs a cabinet, why not ask congress to complete their fking jobs and then let's let Trump actually concentrate on getting some dialog going with everyone. Most everyone is in agreement something needs to be done to the ACA in it's current state. Whatever anyone wishes to call correcting is meaningless to me. Mandate is over. It will die on its own without funding. And if I was trump I'd make sure the country knows why the congress let it die. Again, trump was a third party candidate running under the GOP banner. He is my president and selected by me cause he was not a member of either party. I want him to shake the shit out of DC and stop all of the useless finger pointing and get the job done for America.

Trump said he had a plan. It was right there on his campaign web site. And he said just the other day he had a "beautiful" plan.

He said he would repeal and replace on Day One.

What's more, the GOP has had SEVEN YEARS to put a replacement on the table. Instead, they have put NOTHING on the table.


Ever.

The rube herd never caught on, even though I have been pointing this out the whole time.

he froze it on day one, and relieved the burden of the mandate. done, that's about as repeal as one gets. It dies on its own without someone making up some new material. Yes he has a plan and he will put that plan to congress after congress gets off their ass and confirms the cabinet. What a bunch of DC punks not confirming appointments to make a fking grand stand. This is the kind of shit the people are fking tired of. Get your demoturd buddies heads out of their jealous ases and let's get to work. STALL isn't an option.

Trump cannot repeal the mandate. If he tries, I expect all you pseudocons to demand his immediate impeachment, just like you did Obama when he extended the employer mandate.

As for the cabinet appointments, Trump and his nominees didn't get their shit together in time. It's on them, not Congress.

It's is hilarious you are whining about how long it is taking to confirm them when the GOP had SEVEN YEARS to write an ObamaCare replacement bill.

Where the fuck is it?

dude the bills were written and held out of a vote by Harry Reid. FIVE FKING YEARS. The dems had the floor for the first two and fked it up. It's fking funny you think the congress had enough repubs to pass that legislation in 2011. Funny shit. Just like they can't today. It's no fking difference. The leverage is with the POTUS now on my team. It's time to get these lazy asholes in congress doing the People's work.

No, the paperwork was in and the fking democrats stated they were going to go slow, it's on record.

 

[g5000]

I am not opposed to getting it done right. In fact, I have put my proposal for doing it right on this forum countless times.

I have yet to see the GOP do the same. Or Trump.

Trump lied when he said he has a "beautiful" plan. He's waiting for someone to drop one in his lap for which he can take credit.

I have ZERO confidence the GOP Congress and the huckster President will succeed in bringing down healthcare costs.

They had their chance when Bush was President and healthcare costs accelerated.

well shit, Trump just got there Friday and froze it for now. He still needs a cabinet, why not ask congress to complete their fking jobs and then let's let Trump actually concentrate on getting some dialog going with everyone. Most everyone is in agreement something needs to be done to the ACA in it's current state. Whatever anyone wishes to call correcting is meaningless to me. Mandate is over. It will die on its own without funding. And if I was trump I'd make sure the country knows why the congress let it die. Again, trump was a third party candidate running under the GOP banner. He is my president and selected by me cause he was not a member of either party. I want him to shake the shit out of DC and stop all of the useless finger pointing and get the job done for America.

Trump said he had a plan. It was right there on his campaign web site. And he said just the other day he had a "beautiful" plan.

He said he would repeal and replace on Day One.

What's more, the GOP has had SEVEN YEARS to put a replacement on the table. Instead, they have put NOTHING on the table.


Ever.

The rube herd never caught on, even though I have been pointing this out the whole time.

he froze it on day one, and relieved the burden of the mandate. done, that's about as repeal as one gets. It dies on its own without someone making up some new material. Yes he has a plan and he will put that plan to congress after congress gets off their ass and confirms the cabinet. What a bunch of DC punks not confirming appointments to make a fking grand stand. This is the kind of shit the people are fking tired of. Get your demoturd buddies heads out of their jealous ases and let's get to work. STALL isn't an option.

Trump cannot repeal the mandate. If he tries, I expect all you pseudocons to demand his immediate impeachment, just like you did Obama when he extended the employer mandate.

As for the cabinet appointments, Trump and his nominees didn't get their shit together in time. It's on them, not Congress.

It's is hilarious you are whining about how long it is taking to confirm them when the GOP had SEVEN YEARS to write an ObamaCare replacement bill.

Where the fuck is it?

dude the bills were written and held out of a vote by Harry Reid. FIVE FKING YEARS. The dems had the floor for the first two and fked it up. It's fking funny you think the congress had enough repubs to pass that legislation in 2011. Funny shit. Just like they can't today. It's no fking difference. The leverage is with the POTUS now on my team. It's time to get these lazy asholes in congress doing the People's work.

No, the paperwork was in and the fking democrats stated they were going to go slow, it's on record.

Nope. No comprehensive reform bills have been offered up.

Sixty repeals of ObamaCare.

They've owned Congress for two years.

No more excuses.

Where the fuck is it?

 

[jc456]

I am just sickened that the GOP has taken all healthcare away from the working poor. Things will change come 2018.

when did they do that?

 

[Rustic]

If you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare

GOP senators outline first Obamacare replacement plan

States are given the option that if healthcare exchanges are working and the people like them, they can keep them

Otherwise, the can set up Health Savings Plans to help pay for insurane

or....do nothing and let em die


My guess is Republicans will hate it more than the Democrats do

Hell, I don't give a shit if people want to keep Obama care to themselves - that should be choice, but it's fucked up forcing anybody into Obamacare it's Obviously something they will never use…

 

[g5000]

The Democrats should have done the right thing the FIRST damn time and extended the Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public funding and dynamic private competition.

Now we're going to end up with some kind of Frankenstein's fucking monster.

Thanks, "leaders".
.

You're right, but even that would have pissed off a lot of people, who like me don't have to pay out much out of pocket for routine preventative exams and very rarely actually meet my deductible. I'd have to pay for medicare supplemenets, or face a real danger that me or mine would get something serious.

I'm not sure there was a good answer. In some ways, I think the dems original Obamacare that forced ALL states to expand Medicaid or lose all Medicaid dollars, was the right way to go, but the fine for not having HC should have been low, with more of the funding stream coming from the top 1%. They had 60 and they could have passed it.

Well, Medicare Advantage plans are closer to the PPO/HMO model, with some co-pays and deductibles, but have VERY low monthly premiums, from $0 to around $75. Medicare Supplements have higher premiums but cover pretty much EVERYTHING. And I'd be all for premium support where needed.

Right now we have seven (7) different delivery/payment systems: Group, individual, Medicare, Medicaid, VA, Worker's Comp and indigent care. That's fucking MADNESS. And worse, they don't communicate directly with each other. The inefficiencies are as bad as you'd imagine.

I think the answers are out there, but everyone is too busy screaming at each other.
.

You do realize that Medicare funding comes from payroll tax line item that would explode if everyone had to get covered suddenly?

It is right now 15% of total federal budget, or about 500 billion a year, extending it will at very least double that to 1 Trillion a year.

Democrats will actually go along with that, but for Republicans this will be a total nonstarter and actually a lot closer to single payer than ACA ever will be.

"Medicare for all" is just another way of saying "single payer healthcare".

So of course our tax bill would explode. Just like it does in every country that has single payer healthcare.

We were sold down that river by the GOP a long, long time ago. The rube herd just hasn't caught on yet.

 

[Iceweasel]

repealing healthcare is already meeting opposition ..

GOP senators: Give states the option of keeping ObamaCare

when (and if ) it comes time to vote on repealing the ACA it will only take a few more like-minded Republicans to cross the aisle and vote with the dems to stop Trump dead in his tracks.

Anything like that should always be up to the people in a state, NOT central government. If they get get rid of state lines that will help too. They can keep it in house or shop across state lines if they prefer.

 

[Rustic]

There is no such thing as Obamacare. It is page after page of fines and regulations sticking it to the hospitals and their patients. We can do much better. In fact we were doing much better before the obstruction.

uh huh, sure.

20 million people are having an insurance company pay for their medical bills now ... before, 20 million people were making taxpayers pay for their medical bills every time they went to a county hospital because they had NO insurance ..

RW logic is fucked up.

Expecting other people to pay for your shit is cowardly and fucked up… Fact

 

[rightwinger]

The GOP has had seven years to write a bill.

Where the fuck is it?

The answer is that the GOP is incapable of writing a comprehensive healthcare bill other than cut taxes and call it healthcare

Any bill will be a death sentence for the Republican proposing it