GOP ... states can keep Obamacare

[rightwinger]

If you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare

GOP senators outline first Obamacare replacement plan

States are given the option that if healthcare exchanges are working and the people like them, they can keep them

Otherwise, the can set up Health Savings Plans to help pay for insurane

or....do nothing and let em die


My guess is Republicans will hate it more than the Democrats do

Hell, I don't give a shit if people want to keep Obama care to themselves - that should be choice, but it's fucked up forcing anybody into Obamacare it's Obviously something they will never use…

Nobody is forced into Obamacare
They always had the option of a private policy

 

[The Irish Ram]

There is no such thing as Obamacare. It is page after page of fines and regulations sticking it to the hospitals and their patients. We can do much better. In fact we were doing much better before the obstruction.

People think I am joking when I say you tards were in a coma before January 2009.

That's because you are a joke. The per capita cost came down because no one is being covered anymore. Obamacare does not pay out. It fines and collects.

So instead of admitting you lied, you doubled down!

That's the pseudocon way.

That's the way of the knowledgeable. I lied about nothing

Yeah, you lied. And I proved it. Too bad.

lol. Only if you believe that Obamacare is working........ or that hosps. aren't being fined, or that insurance companies aren't raising rates.
I am right on point. Obamacare only works for the brain dead. (if you are an inpatient.)
Obviously, it hasn't done a thing for your mental deficiency.. And here I thought you were covered..........

 

[Rustic]

If you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare

GOP senators outline first Obamacare replacement plan

States are given the option that if healthcare exchanges are working and the people like them, they can keep them

Otherwise, the can set up Health Savings Plans to help pay for insurane

or....do nothing and let em die


My guess is Republicans will hate it more than the Democrats do

Hell, I don't give a shit if people want to keep Obama care to themselves - that should be choice, but it's fucked up forcing anybody into Obamacare it's Obviously something they will never use…

Obamacare doesn't work if you don't force everyone into the pool. That's why the conservative Heritage foundation came up with the individual mandate a long time ago.

If we allow people to choose whether or not to participate, only our catastrophically sick and handicapped would jump in that pool.

It would've been so much easier if it was an opt in from the start, millions of Americans want nothing to do with any sort of healthcare. That's just the fact

 

[rightwinger]

What we have now in Obamacare is probably the worst legislation ever passed and obviously had zero thought out into. That's why insurance rates are skyrocketing and chocking the life out of the middle class. Anything is better than this garbage called Obamacare

Then why can't Republicans put their name on a plan if it is so easy to offer something better than Obamacare?

 

[g5000]

If you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare

GOP senators outline first Obamacare replacement plan

States are given the option that if healthcare exchanges are working and the people like them, they can keep them

Otherwise, the can set up Health Savings Plans to help pay for insurane

or....do nothing and let em die


My guess is Republicans will hate it more than the Democrats do

Hell, I don't give a shit if people want to keep Obama care to themselves - that should be choice, but it's fucked up forcing anybody into Obamacare it's Obviously something they will never use…

Nobody is forced into Obamacare
They always had the option of a private policy

But they do not have the option of no policy. And your private policy costs more than it would without ObamaCare, because it is subsidizing others.

So for all intents and purposes, everyone is forced into ObamaCare.

 

[jc456]

If you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare

GOP senators outline first Obamacare replacement plan

States are given the option that if healthcare exchanges are working and the people like them, they can keep them

Otherwise, the can set up Health Savings Plans to help pay for insurane

or....do nothing and let em die


My guess is Republicans will hate it more than the Democrats do

Hell, I don't give a shit if people want to keep Obama care to themselves - that should be choice, but it's fucked up forcing anybody into Obamacare it's Obviously something they will never use…

Nobody is forced into Obamacare
They always had the option of a private policy

it was called a mandate. go read about it.

 

[jc456]

If you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare

GOP senators outline first Obamacare replacement plan

States are given the option that if healthcare exchanges are working and the people like them, they can keep them

Otherwise, the can set up Health Savings Plans to help pay for insurane

or....do nothing and let em die


My guess is Republicans will hate it more than the Democrats do

Hell, I don't give a shit if people want to keep Obama care to themselves - that should be choice, but it's fucked up forcing anybody into Obamacare it's Obviously something they will never use…

Nobody is forced into Obamacare
They always had the option of a private policy

But they do not have the option of no policy.

and it was at a price.

 

[jc456]

What we have now in Obamacare is probably the worst legislation ever passed and obviously had zero thought out into. That's why insurance rates are skyrocketing and chocking the life out of the middle class. Anything is better than this garbage called Obamacare

Then why can't Republicans put their name on a plan if it is so easy to offer something better than Obamacare?

now you know how fkd up the obummercare really is. it just needs to die.

 

[Rustic]

he froze it on day one, and relieved the burden of the mandate. done, that's about as repeal as one gets. It dies on its own without someone making up some new material. Yes he has a plan and he will put that plan to congress after congress gets off their ass and confirms the cabinet. What a bunch of DC punks not confirming appointments to make a fking grand stand. This is the kind of shit the people are fking tired of. Get your demoturd buddies heads out of their jealous ases and let's get to work. STALL isn't an option.

Trump cannot repeal the mandate. If he tries, I expect all you pseudocons to demand his immediate impeachment, just like you did Obama when he extended the employer mandate.

As for the cabinet appointments, Trump and his nominees didn't get their shit together in time. It's on them, not Congress.

It's is hilarious you are whining about how long it is taking to confirm them when the GOP had SEVEN YEARS to write an ObamaCare replacement bill.

Where the fuck is it?

dude the bills were written and held out of a vote by Harry Reid. FIVE FKING YEARS. The dems had the floor for the first two and fked it up. It's fking funny you think the congress had enough repubs to pass that legislation in 2011. Funny shit. Just like they can't today. It's no fking difference. The leverage is with the POTUS now on my team. It's time to get these lazy asholes in congress doing the People's work.

No, the paperwork was in and the fking democrats stated they were going to go slow, it's on record.

Nope. No comprehensive reform bills have been offered up.

Sixty repeals of ObamaCare.

They've owned Congress for two years.

No more excuses.

Where the fuck is it?

here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/20/us/politics/trump-executive-order-obamacare.html

"WASHINGTON — In his first executive order, President Trump on Friday directed government agencies to scale back as many aspects of the Affordable Care Act as possible, moving within hours of being sworn in to fulfill his pledge to eviscerate Barack Obama’s signature health care law.

The one-page order, which Mr. Trump signed in a hastily arranged Oval Office ceremony shortly before departing for the inaugural balls, gave no specifics about which aspects of the law it was targeting. But its broad language gave federal agencies wide latitude to change, delay or waive provisions of the law that they deemed overly costly for insurers, drug makers, doctors, patients or states, suggesting that it could have wide-ranging impact, and essentially allowing the dismantling of the law to begin even before Congress moves to repeal it."

Here is the actual text of the EO: Text of President Trump's ObamaCare executive order

He does not repeal the mandate. He does, however, give discretionary power to HHS of enforcement of the mandate.

So I will wait here while you all demand his immediate impeachment. You wouldn't want to be caught being hypocrites.

It's a good start and I've been pulled over many, many times and never been fined for not wearing a seatbelt that's kind a like what's happening here. There will be no enforcement on the mandate coming up.

 

[Mac1958]

You're right, but even that would have pissed off a lot of people, who like me don't have to pay out much out of pocket for routine preventative exams and very rarely actually meet my deductible. I'd have to pay for medicare supplemenets, or face a real danger that me or mine would get something serious.

I'm not sure there was a good answer. In some ways, I think the dems original Obamacare that forced ALL states to expand Medicaid or lose all Medicaid dollars, was the right way to go, but the fine for not having HC should have been low, with more of the funding stream coming from the top 1%. They had 60 and they could have passed it.

Well, Medicare Advantage plans are closer to the PPO/HMO model, with some co-pays and deductibles, but have VERY low monthly premiums, from $0 to around $75. Medicare Supplements have higher premiums but cover pretty much EVERYTHING. And I'd be all for premium support where needed.

Right now we have seven (7) different delivery/payment systems: Group, individual, Medicare, Medicaid, VA, Worker's Comp and indigent care. That's fucking MADNESS. And worse, they don't communicate directly with each other. The inefficiencies are as bad as you'd imagine.

I think the answers are out there, but everyone is too busy screaming at each other.
.

You do realize that Medicare funding comes from payroll tax line item that would explode if everyone had to get covered suddenly?

It is right now 15% of total federal budget, or about 500 billion a year, extending it will at very least double that to 1 Trillion a year.

Democrats will actually go along with that, but for Republicans this will be a total nonstarter and actually a lot closer to single payer than ACA ever will be.

"Medicare for all" is just another way of saying "single payer healthcare".

So of course our tax bill would explode. Just like it does in every country that has single payer healthcare.

We were sold down that river by the GOP a long, long time ago. The rube herd just hasn't caught on yet.

No, it's not Single Payer. Educate yourself on Medicare Advantage plans and Medicare Supplement plans.

Where does the money for Medicare Advantage and Medicare Supplement come from?

The government. That's where.

"Medicaid for all" is single payer.

Medicare Supplements are paid with private dollars only with insurer competition. No federal dollars.

Medicare Advantage is subsidized, yes. But the insurers still compete for the business and include preventive/diagnostic care so that small issues don't become large and expensive issues and other extras.
.

 

[g5000]

What we have now in Obamacare is probably the worst legislation ever passed and obviously had zero thought out into. That's why insurance rates are skyrocketing and chocking the life out of the middle class. Anything is better than this garbage called Obamacare

Then why can't Republicans put their name on a plan if it is so easy to offer something better than Obamacare?

Exactly.

The GOP hasn't up to now because they are cowards. You can see they are in full panic mode right now.

"Oh fuck! We own healthcare now!"

 

[g5000]

If there is one thing for which we can all give Trump credit, it is that he has finally forced the GOP to shit or get off the pot.

 

[Mac1958]

The Democrats should have done the right thing the FIRST damn time and extended the Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public funding and dynamic private competition.

Now we're going to end up with some kind of Frankenstein's fucking monster.

Thanks, "leaders".
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You're right, but even that would have pissed off a lot of people, who like me don't have to pay out much out of pocket for routine preventative exams and very rarely actually meet my deductible. I'd have to pay for medicare supplemenets, or face a real danger that me or mine would get something serious.

I'm not sure there was a good answer. In some ways, I think the dems original Obamacare that forced ALL states to expand Medicaid or lose all Medicaid dollars, was the right way to go, but the fine for not having HC should have been low, with more of the funding stream coming from the top 1%. They had 60 and they could have passed it.

Well, Medicare Advantage plans are closer to the PPO/HMO model, with some co-pays and deductibles, but have VERY low monthly premiums, from $0 to around $75. Medicare Supplements have higher premiums but cover pretty much EVERYTHING. And I'd be all for premium support where needed.

Right now we have seven (7) different delivery/payment systems: Group, individual, Medicare, Medicaid, VA, Worker's Comp and indigent care. That's fucking MADNESS. And worse, they don't communicate directly with each other. The inefficiencies are as bad as you'd imagine.

I think the answers are out there, but everyone is too busy screaming at each other.
.

You do realize that Medicare funding comes from payroll tax line item that would explode if everyone had to get covered suddenly?

It is right now 15% of total federal budget, or about 500 billion a year, extending it will at very least double that to 1 Trillion a year.

Democrats will actually go along with that, but for Republicans this will be a total nonstarter and actually a lot closer to single payer than ACA ever will be.

Heath care costs are not linear. Over 80% of the average person's lifetime health care costs are incurred after age 65. Also, these plans are personal and portable, meaning American businesses would be able to take a massive cost & administrative cost monkey off their backs. We might need to drop Medicare co-insurance from 80% to 70% or 75%, we'd have to look at tort reform and reducing defensive medicine, but I'd sure rather start from that point and tweak from there than deal with this mess.

But you're right, the Republicans right now couldn't vote for this if they want to be re-elected, and certainly fundraising and being re-elected are a politician's top priority. But this would be far better than the seven-headed beast of a "system" that we have now.
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65+ that Medicare currently covers make up only 13% of population, so while yes, they use more health care per-capita, the numbers are still that it will cost 2-3 times the current Medicare budget to cover everyone.

Republicans have always been against single payer that is Medicare for all you, and liberals usually advocate. It's is not just what they will get voted out for, it is what they are ideologically against.

Agreed. That's why I'm not a big fan of partisan ideology. It obligates people to play to their "side" only and closes minds.
.

 

[Rustic]

If you like your Obamacare, you can keep your Obamacare

GOP senators outline first Obamacare replacement plan

States are given the option that if healthcare exchanges are working and the people like them, they can keep them

Otherwise, the can set up Health Savings Plans to help pay for insurane

or....do nothing and let em die


My guess is Republicans will hate it more than the Democrats do

Hell, I don't give a shit if people want to keep Obama care to themselves - that should be choice, but it's fucked up forcing anybody into Obamacare it's Obviously something they will never use…

Nobody is forced into Obamacare
They always had the option of a private policy

See that's the problem no one should be forced into healthcare insurance whatsoever… Extremely un-American
Extortion that's legalized that's what it is… fortunately they will stop enforcement of the mandate.

 

[jc456]

What we have now in Obamacare is probably the worst legislation ever passed and obviously had zero thought out into. That's why insurance rates are skyrocketing and chocking the life out of the middle class. Anything is better than this garbage called Obamacare

Then why can't Republicans put their name on a plan if it is so easy to offer something better than Obamacare?

Exactly.

The GOP hasn't up to now because they are cowards. You can see they are in full panic mode right now.

"Oh fuck! We own healthcare now!"

again, it's so fked up one doesn't know how fked up until they get into congress and learn about all of the bullshit that is required to get out of it. It needs to die. no Mandate, it dies. quite simple.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

There is no such thing as Obamacare. It is page after page of fines and regulations sticking it to the hospitals and their patients. We can do much better. In fact we were doing much better before the obstruction.

uh huh, sure.

20 million people are having an insurance company pay for their medical bills now ... before, 20 million people were making taxpayers pay for their medical bills every time they went to a county hospital because they had NO insurance ..

RW logic is fucked up.

Your fairy tale would be find if it were not that....a fairy tale. 20 million are paying to guard against the big one.

And they pay a lot.

Their deductibles are often over 6,000 so the insurance company is often paying NOTHING.

 

[jc456]

You're right, but even that would have pissed off a lot of people, who like me don't have to pay out much out of pocket for routine preventative exams and very rarely actually meet my deductible. I'd have to pay for medicare supplemenets, or face a real danger that me or mine would get something serious.

I'm not sure there was a good answer. In some ways, I think the dems original Obamacare that forced ALL states to expand Medicaid or lose all Medicaid dollars, was the right way to go, but the fine for not having HC should have been low, with more of the funding stream coming from the top 1%. They had 60 and they could have passed it.

Well, Medicare Advantage plans are closer to the PPO/HMO model, with some co-pays and deductibles, but have VERY low monthly premiums, from $0 to around $75. Medicare Supplements have higher premiums but cover pretty much EVERYTHING. And I'd be all for premium support where needed.

Right now we have seven (7) different delivery/payment systems: Group, individual, Medicare, Medicaid, VA, Worker's Comp and indigent care. That's fucking MADNESS. And worse, they don't communicate directly with each other. The inefficiencies are as bad as you'd imagine.

I think the answers are out there, but everyone is too busy screaming at each other.
.

You do realize that Medicare funding comes from payroll tax line item that would explode if everyone had to get covered suddenly?

It is right now 15% of total federal budget, or about 500 billion a year, extending it will at very least double that to 1 Trillion a year.

Democrats will actually go along with that, but for Republicans this will be a total nonstarter and actually a lot closer to single payer than ACA ever will be.

Heath care costs are not linear. Over 80% of the average person's lifetime health care costs are incurred after age 65. Also, these plans are personal and portable, meaning American businesses would be able to take a massive cost & administrative cost monkey off their backs. We might need to drop Medicare co-insurance from 80% to 70% or 75%, we'd have to look at tort reform and reducing defensive medicine, but I'd sure rather start from that point and tweak from there than deal with this mess.

But you're right, the Republicans right now couldn't vote for this if they want to be re-elected, and certainly fundraising and being re-elected are a politician's top priority. But this would be far better than the seven-headed beast of a "system" that we have now.
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65+ that Medicare currently covers make up only 13% of population, so while yes, they use more health care per-capita, the numbers are still that it will cost 2-3 times the current Medicare budget to cover everyone.

Republicans have always been against single payer that is Medicare for all you, and liberals usually advocate. It's is not just what they will get voted out for, it is what they are ideologically against.

Agreed. That's why I'm not a big fan of partisan ideology. It obligates people to play to their "side" only and closes minds.
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it's why I voted for Trump. He was not partisan. he was alone. It's why he won. people should actually learn why he won.

 

[jc456]

There is no such thing as Obamacare. It is page after page of fines and regulations sticking it to the hospitals and their patients. We can do much better. In fact we were doing much better before the obstruction.

uh huh, sure.

20 million people are having an insurance company pay for their medical bills now ... before, 20 million people were making taxpayers pay for their medical bills every time they went to a county hospital because they had NO insurance ..

RW logic is fucked up.

Your fairy tale would be find if it were not that....a fairy tale. 20 million are paying to guard against the big one.

And they pay a lot.

Their deductibles are often over 6,000 so the insurance company is often paying NOTHING.

that is our deductible

 

[WaitingFor2020]

I don't think that's a bad idea. If Obamacare is working in your state, and you want to keep it, I don't see a problem. We already spent the money to set it up.

The biggest push behind keeping Obamacare is the health industry itself; they have spent billions over the past six years revising their internal systems for compliance. And they cannot afford to reverse the system without patient costs going through the roof into some other galaxy.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

The Democrats should have done the right thing the FIRST damn time and extended the Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all. An excellent, already-functioning blend of public funding and dynamic private competition.

Now we're going to end up with some kind of Frankenstein's fucking monster.

Thanks, "leaders".
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You are absolutely spot on 100% correct.