"Government" is Not the Problem.

[Slade3200]

Instead of providing an answer you say ask the mayor of Detroit. You are comparing the economy of the United States to the economy of a stand alone state. Apples and Oranges.

Actually - Detroit is a city. Not a state. And it illustrates the failure of liberalism. If they can't even keep a city from going bankrupt, you can freaking forget about keeping a nation from collapse.

Is that your justification?? Really, should we review cities that are run by conservatives and compare? How about cities and states run by liberals that are very prosperous?? It's an irrelevant rabbit hole to the argument.

How about you just tell me how the debt is going to crush us. I am worried about large debt and don't promote frivolous spending, but I have yet to get a logical answer about what pushes us off the "debt cliff" and how it all plays out.

 

[P@triot]

Instead of providing an answer you say ask the mayor of Detroit. You are comparing the economy of the United States to the economy of a stand alone state. Apples and Oranges.

Actually - Detroit is a city. Not a state. And it illustrates the failure of liberalism. If they can't even keep a city from going bankrupt, you can freaking forget about keeping a nation from collapse.

Is that your justification?? Really, should we review cities that are run by conservatives and compare? How about cities and states run by liberals that are very prosperous?? It's an irrelevant rabbit hole to the argument.

How about you just tell me how the debt is going to crush us. I am worried about large debt and don't promote frivolous spending, but I have yet to get a logical answer about what pushes us off the "debt cliff" and how it all plays out.

You've gotten a very crystal clear answer about it. You just don't like it.

And you can't find a city that has been completely controlled by Dumbocrats for over a decade that is (and I quote) "very prosperous". Once New York City was run into a complete and total shit-hole by liberals in the 1970's and 1980's, what did they do? They turned to conservative Rudy Giuliani to bail them out. He handed over a thriving city to Michael Bloomberg who began running it into the ground and now idiot communist Bill de Blasio is about to finish it off.

 

[Slade3200]

Instead of providing an answer you say ask the mayor of Detroit. You are comparing the economy of the United States to the economy of a stand alone state. Apples and Oranges.

Actually - Detroit is a city. Not a state. And it illustrates the failure of liberalism. If they can't even keep a city from going bankrupt, you can freaking forget about keeping a nation from collapse.

Is that your justification?? Really, should we review cities that are run by conservatives and compare? How about cities and states run by liberals that are very prosperous?? It's an irrelevant rabbit hole to the argument.

How about you just tell me how the debt is going to crush us. I am worried about large debt and don't promote frivolous spending, but I have yet to get a logical answer about what pushes us off the "debt cliff" and how it all plays out.

You've gotten a very crystal clear answer about it. You just don't like it.

And you can't find a city that has been completely controlled by Dumbocrats for over a decade that is (and I quote) "very prosperous". Once New York City was run into a complete and total shit-hole by liberals in the 1970's and 1980's, what did they do? They turned to conservative Rudy Giuliani to bail them out. He handed over a thriving city to Michael Bloomberg who began running it into the ground and now idiot communist Bill de Blasio is about to finish it off.

I can absolutely find Democrat run cities and states that rank amongst the top economic output in the country, in fact blue states consistently rank higher than red states. Do a simple google search and see the states for yourself. Your cherry picked examples don't prove anything. And you have not answered my question about HOW the debt crushes us

 

[P@triot]

I can absolutely find Democrat run cities and states that rank amongst the top economic output in the country, in fact blue states consistently rank higher than red states. Do a simple google search and see the states for yourself. Your cherry picked examples don't prove anything. And you have not answered my question about HOW the debt crushes us

Reading comprehension. I said "completely Dumbocrat controlled for more than a decade". That means mayor and city council (like Detroit). You can't find a single city like that. All of them are third-world shit-holes because that's what liberalism does.

 

[P@triot]

And you have not answered my question about HOW the debt crushes us

Same way it "crushed" Detroit. Same way it "crushed" the former U.S.S.R. Same way it "crushed" Cuba. Same way it "crushed" Cambodia. Same way it "crushed" Ethiopia. Same way it "crushed" Vietnam. Same way it "crushed" Greece.

Pretending something isn't true doesn't cease to make it true...

 

[Slade3200]

And you have not answered my question about HOW the debt crushes us

Same way it "crushed" Detroit. Same way it "crushed" the former U.S.S.R. Same way it "crushed" Cuba. Same way it "crushed" Cambodia. Same way it "crushed" Ethiopia. Same way it "crushed" Vietnam. Same way it "crushed" Greece.

Pretending something isn't true doesn't cease to make it true...View attachment 84217

Which way is that?

 

[Dragonlady]

You know how you do that? By repealing the unconstitutional, highly illegal nonsense, and let the free market handle it. You know what actually drives down prices? Competition. That's a fact.

The free market had been handling US healthcare since the country was founded. It was bankrupting your country, while millions had little to no access to preventative care, due to lack of insurance, and millions more used emergency rooms for treatment. 45,000 people died each year because of a lack of coverage.

Those are facts.

 

[Slade3200]

I can absolutely find Democrat run cities and states that rank amongst the top economic output in the country, in fact blue states consistently rank higher than red states. Do a simple google search and see the states for yourself. Your cherry picked examples don't prove anything. And you have not answered my question about HOW the debt crushes us

Reading comprehension. I said "completely Dumbocrat controlled for more than a decade". That means mayor and city council (like Detroit). You can't find a single city like that. All of them are third-world shit-holes because that's what liberalism does.

Which completely republican controlled city is your shining example of how things should be done?

 

[Spare_change]

The guns in your house are there because you have permission to have them from the government.

​

Somewhere along the line, you failed to grasp the very essence of our democracy.

The government does not control the people - the people control the government. With the permission of the people, the government is assigned certain activities that we, in turn, agree to follow. The 'common defense' is obviously the easiest example.

However, for the past 60 years, the government has been usurping, and assigning to itself, the responsibilities of the people. By our inaction, we have allowed the government to amass significant power and control over the people.

This illegal activity is the very essence of the upcoming election. Progressives believe that a strong government is needed to control the people. Conservatives believe that a weak government is needed so it can be controlled BY the people. Both views are Utopian. The answer, as always, lies somewhere in the middle.

The last 8 years have seen a massive push to government control. Four more years, particularly with the SCOTUS hanging in the balance, would be catastrophic to the concept of self-government. In fact, it is fair to say that if the Progressives are successful, the American democracy, as our forefathers intended and our fathers gave their lives for, will morph into a socialist democracy, and fade into the background of history.

 

[Dragonlady]

Are none of you right wingers smart enough to factor in the effect of the auto industry moving to Mexico on the economy and tax base for the City of Detroit, prior to the bankruptcy? Or even consider that said loss of the entire economic foundation of the "Motor City" was possibly the real reason why the City went bankrupt?

 

[P@triot]

You know how you do that? By repealing the unconstitutional, highly illegal nonsense, and let the free market handle it. You know what actually drives down prices? Competition. That's a fact.

The free market had been handling US healthcare since the country was founded. It was bankrupting your country, while millions had little to no access to preventative care, due to lack of insurance, and millions more used emergency rooms for treatment. 45,000 people died each year because of a lack of coverage.

Those are facts.

Those aren't even remotely the "facts". If healthcare was truly happening in the free market sweetie - it couldn't possibly "bankrupt your country". It's only because government got involved that prices skyrocketed and it became problematic.

You literally disprove your own position in your post.

 

[Slade3200]

The guns in your house are there because you have permission to have them from the government.

​

Somewhere along the line, you failed to grasp the very essence of our democracy.

The government does not control the people - the people control the government. With the permission of the people, the government is assigned certain activities that we, in turn, agree to follow. The 'common defense' is obviously the easiest example.

However, for the past 60 years, the government has been usurping, and assigning to itself, the responsibilities of the people. By our inaction, we have allowed the government to amass significant power and control over the people.

This illegal activity is the very essence of the upcoming election. Progressives believe that a strong government is needed to control the people. Conservatives believe that a weak government is needed so it can be controlled BY the people. Both views are Utopian. The answer, as always, lies somewhere in the middle.

The last 8 years have seen a massive push to government control. Four more years, particularly with the SCOTUS hanging in the balance, would be catastrophic to the concept of self-government. In fact, it is fair to say that if the Progressives are successful, the American democracy, as our forefathers intended and our fathers gave their lives for, will morph into a socialist democracy, and fade into the background of history.

When you say "the people" who do you mean? How is that voice heard?

 

[Slade3200]

You know how you do that? By repealing the unconstitutional, highly illegal nonsense, and let the free market handle it. You know what actually drives down prices? Competition. That's a fact.

The free market had been handling US healthcare since the country was founded. It was bankrupting your country, while millions had little to no access to preventative care, due to lack of insurance, and millions more used emergency rooms for treatment. 45,000 people died each year because of a lack of coverage.

Those are facts.

Those aren't even remotely the "facts". If healthcare was truly happening in the free market sweetie - it couldn't possibly "bankrupt your country". It's only because government got involved that prices skyrocketed and it became problematic.

You literally disprove your own position in your post.

You think prices skyrocketed because of government regulations?! While they do play a factor, you are forgetting about the main culprits which are the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

 

[Conservative65]

I don't just feel superior to you, I am superior to you.

I provided an example of exactly what happens. You chose to ignore it.

You can run from debate if you choose but it will prove you're a pussy.

Great, I'm a pussy, add another notch on your belt and move on to the next victim... You shall ever remain a God of dumbasses in my book

I'm not the one that can't understand what an ever increasing debt will do to the country. That's you.

That was my question dumbshit. Patriot said Detroit and you said Germany 1920. is that the extent of your arguments?

It's all that needs to be said to address your statement. Try reading on it or have someone read it to you.

Detroit is a state not a country in control of their own

If it is so stupid and obvious then why has every single president in history ran a deficit? (minus 7 or 8 years where there were small surpluses)

Now there is some fine liberal "logic". If everyone else has done it - then it must be ok.

Hey genius - we have never seen a generation in the history of mankind that did not include a sea of rapists. Does that make rape ok? Or do you have the common fucking sense to realize that just because man is dumb enough to do something evil, it doesn't make doing evil deeds ok.

If the best argument you can come up with for why it's ok to spend a nation into collapse is "but.....but....but....other presidents did it too" then you don't have an argument. What you have is the logic of a basic 2nd grader on the playground.

Now are you ready to grow up and have an adult conversation or do you wish to continue with this childish nonsense?

Instead of providing an answer you say ask the mayor of Detroit. You are comparing the economy of the United States to the economy of a stand alone state. Apples and Oranges. Then you try and insult me for asking you to explain your theory, claim that it is completely obvious. I point out that every presidential administration since the inception of our country has ran deficits. I wasn't justifying doing so, I was simply making the point that the situation isn't as simple and obvious as you make it out to be... So are you claiming that every presidential administration in our countries history, including your prized Regan, are economic idiots... or perhaps you are missing something??

Detroit is a State? That must be one of the other 7 Obama mentioned when he said we had 57 States. Where is it on the map?

Whose Regan?

 

[Slade3200]

Great, I'm a pussy, add another notch on your belt and move on to the next victim... You shall ever remain a God of dumbasses in my book

I'm not the one that can't understand what an ever increasing debt will do to the country. That's you.

That was my question dumbshit. Patriot said Detroit and you said Germany 1920. is that the extent of your arguments?

It's all that needs to be said to address your statement. Try reading on it or have someone read it to you.

Detroit is a state not a country in control of their own

If it is so stupid and obvious then why has every single president in history ran a deficit? (minus 7 or 8 years where there were small surpluses)

Now there is some fine liberal "logic". If everyone else has done it - then it must be ok.

Hey genius - we have never seen a generation in the history of mankind that did not include a sea of rapists. Does that make rape ok? Or do you have the common fucking sense to realize that just because man is dumb enough to do something evil, it doesn't make doing evil deeds ok.

If the best argument you can come up with for why it's ok to spend a nation into collapse is "but.....but....but....other presidents did it too" then you don't have an argument. What you have is the logic of a basic 2nd grader on the playground.

Now are you ready to grow up and have an adult conversation or do you wish to continue with this childish nonsense?

Instead of providing an answer you say ask the mayor of Detroit. You are comparing the economy of the United States to the economy of a stand alone state. Apples and Oranges. Then you try and insult me for asking you to explain your theory, claim that it is completely obvious. I point out that every presidential administration since the inception of our country has ran deficits. I wasn't justifying doing so, I was simply making the point that the situation isn't as simple and obvious as you make it out to be... So are you claiming that every presidential administration in our countries history, including your prized Regan, are economic idiots... or perhaps you are missing something??

Detroit is a State? That must be one of the other 7 Obama mentioned when he said we had 57 States. Where is it on the map?

Whose Regan?

Were you a middle child?

 

[Conservative65]

I'm not the one that can't understand what an ever increasing debt will do to the country. That's you.

That was my question dumbshit. Patriot said Detroit and you said Germany 1920. is that the extent of your arguments?

It's all that needs to be said to address your statement. Try reading on it or have someone read it to you.

Detroit is a state not a country in control of their own

If it is so stupid and obvious then why has every single president in history ran a deficit? (minus 7 or 8 years where there were small surpluses)

Now there is some fine liberal "logic". If everyone else has done it - then it must be ok.

Hey genius - we have never seen a generation in the history of mankind that did not include a sea of rapists. Does that make rape ok? Or do you have the common fucking sense to realize that just because man is dumb enough to do something evil, it doesn't make doing evil deeds ok.

If the best argument you can come up with for why it's ok to spend a nation into collapse is "but.....but....but....other presidents did it too" then you don't have an argument. What you have is the logic of a basic 2nd grader on the playground.

Now are you ready to grow up and have an adult conversation or do you wish to continue with this childish nonsense?

Instead of providing an answer you say ask the mayor of Detroit. You are comparing the economy of the United States to the economy of a stand alone state. Apples and Oranges. Then you try and insult me for asking you to explain your theory, claim that it is completely obvious. I point out that every presidential administration since the inception of our country has ran deficits. I wasn't justifying doing so, I was simply making the point that the situation isn't as simple and obvious as you make it out to be... So are you claiming that every presidential administration in our countries history, including your prized Regan, are economic idiots... or perhaps you are missing something??

Detroit is a State? That must be one of the other 7 Obama mentioned when he said we had 57 States. Where is it on the map?

Whose Regan?

Were you a middle child?

I know you are a bastard child.

You said Detroit is a State - Post #614

 

[Slade3200]

That was my question dumbshit. Patriot said Detroit and you said Germany 1920. is that the extent of your arguments?

It's all that needs to be said to address your statement. Try reading on it or have someone read it to you.

Detroit is a state not a country in control of their own

If it is so stupid and obvious then why has every single president in history ran a deficit? (minus 7 or 8 years where there were small surpluses)

Now there is some fine liberal "logic". If everyone else has done it - then it must be ok.

Hey genius - we have never seen a generation in the history of mankind that did not include a sea of rapists. Does that make rape ok? Or do you have the common fucking sense to realize that just because man is dumb enough to do something evil, it doesn't make doing evil deeds ok.

If the best argument you can come up with for why it's ok to spend a nation into collapse is "but.....but....but....other presidents did it too" then you don't have an argument. What you have is the logic of a basic 2nd grader on the playground.

Now are you ready to grow up and have an adult conversation or do you wish to continue with this childish nonsense?

Instead of providing an answer you say ask the mayor of Detroit. You are comparing the economy of the United States to the economy of a stand alone state. Apples and Oranges. Then you try and insult me for asking you to explain your theory, claim that it is completely obvious. I point out that every presidential administration since the inception of our country has ran deficits. I wasn't justifying doing so, I was simply making the point that the situation isn't as simple and obvious as you make it out to be... So are you claiming that every presidential administration in our countries history, including your prized Regan, are economic idiots... or perhaps you are missing something??

Detroit is a State? That must be one of the other 7 Obama mentioned when he said we had 57 States. Where is it on the map?

Whose Regan?

Were you a middle child?

I know you are a bastard child.

You said Detroit is a State - Post #614

Yeah I did, I made a typo, so what?

 

[Conservative65]

It's all that needs to be said to address your statement. Try reading on it or have someone read it to you.

Detroit is a state not a country in control of their own

Now there is some fine liberal "logic". If everyone else has done it - then it must be ok.

Hey genius - we have never seen a generation in the history of mankind that did not include a sea of rapists. Does that make rape ok? Or do you have the common fucking sense to realize that just because man is dumb enough to do something evil, it doesn't make doing evil deeds ok.

If the best argument you can come up with for why it's ok to spend a nation into collapse is "but.....but....but....other presidents did it too" then you don't have an argument. What you have is the logic of a basic 2nd grader on the playground.

Now are you ready to grow up and have an adult conversation or do you wish to continue with this childish nonsense?

Instead of providing an answer you say ask the mayor of Detroit. You are comparing the economy of the United States to the economy of a stand alone state. Apples and Oranges. Then you try and insult me for asking you to explain your theory, claim that it is completely obvious. I point out that every presidential administration since the inception of our country has ran deficits. I wasn't justifying doing so, I was simply making the point that the situation isn't as simple and obvious as you make it out to be... So are you claiming that every presidential administration in our countries history, including your prized Regan, are economic idiots... or perhaps you are missing something??

Detroit is a State? That must be one of the other 7 Obama mentioned when he said we had 57 States. Where is it on the map?

Whose Regan?

Were you a middle child?

I know you are a bastard child.

You said Detroit is a State - Post #614

Yeah I did, I made a typo, so what?

Typo? Bullshit. You're just full of excuses for your stupidity.

 

[P@triot]

You think prices skyrocketed because of government regulations?! While they do play a factor, you are forgetting about the main culprits which are the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

Prices skyrocketed because of government intervention in two ways:

1.) Medicare & Medicaid: Once the consumer was no longer on the hook for the cost, the healthcare systems knew that they could exponentially increase costs and it wouldn't matter. It doesn't matter to the consumer when someone else is paying.

2.) The regulation requiring medical attention regardless of the ability to pay: Since hospitals could not deny the individual who was rushed to the emergency room and required a $65,000 open heart surgery, they had to fin da way to cover that cost (they sure as hell aren't going to eat it). That means charging $10 per aspirin and $100 for an ace bandage wrap.

This is basic economics - and the fact that liberals need it explained to them is absurd. Here is a quick lesson in Economics 101 for you. Listen closely:

 

[Slade3200]

Detroit is a state not a country in control of their own
Instead of providing an answer you say ask the mayor of Detroit. You are comparing the economy of the United States to the economy of a stand alone state. Apples and Oranges. Then you try and insult me for asking you to explain your theory, claim that it is completely obvious. I point out that every presidential administration since the inception of our country has ran deficits. I wasn't justifying doing so, I was simply making the point that the situation isn't as simple and obvious as you make it out to be... So are you claiming that every presidential administration in our countries history, including your prized Regan, are economic idiots... or perhaps you are missing something??

Detroit is a State? That must be one of the other 7 Obama mentioned when he said we had 57 States. Where is it on the map?

Whose Regan?

Were you a middle child?

I know you are a bastard child.

You said Detroit is a State - Post #614

Yeah I did, I made a typo, so what?

Typo? Bullshit. You're just full of excuses for your stupidity.

Well it is settled then... You've been calling me stupid for a while now... How about I concede, you are right I'm totally stupid... There, you can move on to somebody else, I really have no interest in engaging with you any longer.