Green Deal Price Tag...93,000,000,000,000.00

and more demand increases prices which creates more poverty....and then you have the inescapable fact that higher minimum wages reach a point where minimum wage employees simply don't have the value required to justify employing them.

This is especially true in production work...in that sort of work, the amount of a particular product an employee can do determines his value to the employer...raise the minimum wage that an employer must pay the employee during the time he is becoming productive lengthens the time between hiring and the time the employee actually starts carrying his weight...this discourages new hires....and as much as you may wish it so, burger flipping, and custodial work will never be worth 15 dollars an hour...it will be cheaper to automate such work and thus put even more people out of work...

Raising minimum wage past a certain break point (and we really don't know what that might be) will do nothing but create more poverty rather than reduce it.
a fallacy of false Cause? the right wing usually has only misconceptions about price inflation for Labor.

price inflation for fuel is more pervasive and the right wing complains less.

a cost of living adjustment is what we are referring to. wages should always outpace inflation.

Not when the wages in question are not warranted by the work produced...Why not simply take the whole idea to its logical conclusion and raise wages to 50 dollars an hour or 100 dollars an hour....give it a year, and the same people who are living at or near poverty today, will be in the same shape with no improvement in their living conditions even though they are making 100 dollars an hour.

People who believe minimum wage increases help the poorest among us are people who have never had to write a pay check...you think the wage is the only expense an employer pays when he hires someone? Think again..
taxes have to cover costs. it really is that simple. higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand. wages merely need to beat inflation.
You could confiscate the total means of production for your fantasy and it would still end in the collapse and deaths of millions... Your a fucking IDIOT!
where are you getting your right wing fantasy from?

how are you right wingers going to pay for this:
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
Reality likes to bitch slapp idiots like you.. Where was your complaint on the debt when Obama was doubling it? Now you want to continue the fantasy by wonder trains to nowhere and all kinds fantasy left wing fruitcake plans..
 
a fallacy of false Cause? the right wing usually has only misconceptions about price inflation for Labor.

price inflation for fuel is more pervasive and the right wing complains less.

a cost of living adjustment is what we are referring to. wages should always outpace inflation.

Not when the wages in question are not warranted by the work produced...Why not simply take the whole idea to its logical conclusion and raise wages to 50 dollars an hour or 100 dollars an hour....give it a year, and the same people who are living at or near poverty today, will be in the same shape with no improvement in their living conditions even though they are making 100 dollars an hour.

People who believe minimum wage increases help the poorest among us are people who have never had to write a pay check...you think the wage is the only expense an employer pays when he hires someone? Think again..
taxes have to cover costs. it really is that simple. higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand. wages merely need to beat inflation.
You could confiscate the total means of production for your fantasy and it would still end in the collapse and deaths of millions... Your a fucking IDIOT!
where are you getting your right wing fantasy from?

how are you right wingers going to pay for this:
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
Reality likes to bitch slapp idiots like you.. Where was your complaint on the debt when Obama was doubling it? Now you want to continue the fantasy by wonder trains to nowhere and all kinds fantasy left wing fruitcake plans..
didn't feel the last recession, right wingers? why gloss over it.
 
Where was your complaint on the debt when Obama was doubling it?

Obama has been out of office for three (3) years, get another talking point, this one is stale like a month old loaf of bread.

Now you want to continue the fantasy by wonder trains to nowhere and all kinds fantasy left wing fruitcake plans..

Please, just for the sake of it; post something that contributes to the topic; assuming you have something to contribute?

:)-
 
Reality likes to bitch slapp idiots like you..

kiss this; or if you must lick it but by no means may you sniff it
Then again, if you must; go for it

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but it will continue to be fringe as fossil fuels will power the world well past the time when everybody in this forum is long in their box

Even the illiterate have a right to be ignorant. I know the data below will be difficult for you to understand so please ask a friend to explain it to you.

It is expected that by the year 2035, demand will reach 110.3 million barrels a day. Companies eventually will start to transition to alternative forms of energy and will be interesting to see what the future holds for renewable energy.
Which countries have the biggest oil reserves?

A 2013 study concluded that peak oil "appears probable before 2030", and that there was a "significant risk" that it would occur before 2020
Peak oil - Wikipedia

When the price of gasoline rises, people naturally buy less of it; the amount of this reduction being determined by the amount of the price increase and the consumer's elasticity of demand for gasoline. This does not necessarily mean that people will drive less (though it is likely), it may mean that consumers trade in their SUVs for smaller cars, hybrid vehicles, electric cars or cars that run on alternative fuels.
Will the World Ever Run Out of Oil?


Countries With The Largest Proven Oil Reserves
Rank Country Reserves (millions of barrels), 2017 US EIA

1 Venezuela 300,878
2 Saudi Arabia 266,455
3 Canada 169,709
4 Iran 158,400
5 Iraq 142,503
6 Kuwait 101,500
7 United Arab Emirates 97,800
8 Russia 80,000
9 Libya 48,363
10 United States 39,230
11 Nigeria 37,062
12 Kazakhstan 30,000
13 China 25,620
14 Qatar 25,244
15 Brazil 12,999
16 Algeria 12,200
17 Angola 8,273
18 Ecuador 8,273
19 Mexico 7,640
20 Azerbaijan 7,000
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TOTAL 1,609,149 million proven barrels
The World’s Largest Oil Reserves By Country

It is expected that by the year 2035, demand will reach 110.3 million barrels a day or 40,259 a year

1609149/40259 = 40+/- years left

The Truth Will Set You Free :)-


Don't make us laugh...


Are we running out of oil? | EME 801:




  • The world will run out of oil in 10 years."
    • - U.S. Bureau of Mines (1914)
  • "The world will run out of oil in 13 years."
    • - U.S. Department of the Interior (1939 and 1950)
  • "The world will run out of oil and other fossil fuels by 1990."
    • - Paul Erlich, Limits to Growth (1973)
  • "The world will run out of oil in 2030, and other fossil fuels in 2050."
    • - Paul Erlich, Beyond the Limit (2002)
 
Where was your complaint on the debt when Obama was doubling it?

Obama has been out of office for three (3) years, get another talking point, this one is stale like a month old loaf of bread.

Now you want to continue the fantasy by wonder trains to nowhere and all kinds fantasy left wing fruitcake plans..

Please, just for the sake of it; post something that contributes to the topic; assuming you have something to contribute?

:)-
Well is he out of office or is this his economy? You fks can’t make up your mind
 
Fusion (an energy with a future) is better.

Fusion—

4. Physics A nuclear reaction in which atomic nuclei combine to formmore massive nuclei with the simultaneous release of energy.

In nuclear chemistry, nuclear fusion is a reaction in which two or more atomic nuclei are combined to form one or more different atomic nuclei and subatomic particles (neutrons or protons). The difference in mass between the reactants and products is manifested as either the release or absorption of energy. This difference in mass arises due to the difference in atomic "binding energy" between the atomic nuclei before and after the reaction. Fusion is the process that powers active or "main sequence" stars, or other high magnitude stars.

Workable designs for a toroidal reactor that theoretically will deliver ten times more fusion energy than the amount needed to heat plasma to the required temperatures are in development (see ITER). The ITER facility is expected to finish its construction phase in 2025. It will start commissioning the reactor that same year and initiate plasma experiments in 2025, but is not expected to begin full deuterium-tritium fusion until 2035.[5]
Nuclear fusion - Wikipedia

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Well is he out of office or is this his economy?

No, it's Trump's economic wisdom

Donald Trump has filed for corporate bankruptcy four times, in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009.
All of these bankruptcies were connected to over-leveraged casino and hotel properties in Atlantic City, all of which are now operated under the banner of Trump Entertainment Resorts. He has never filed for personal bankruptcy -- an important distinction when considering his ability to emerge relatively unscathed, at least financially.

"Corporations, limited partnerships, and LLCs in which he had an ownership interest or companies that had his name attached have filed for bankruptcy," said Michael Viscount of Atlantic City law firm Fox Rothschild LLP, who represented unsecured creditors when Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, as it was then called, filed for Chapter 11 protection in 2004. "Therein lies the big distinction.”
Fourth Time's A Charm: How Donald Trump Made Bankruptcy Work For Him

Trump's financial wisdom left all his creditors holding empty bags while he makes luv with porn stars.

U.S. BUDGET DEFICIT REACHES HIGHER LEVEL UNDER TRUMP THAN AT ANY POINT IN OBAMA'S SECOND TERM
The U.S. budget deficit reached its highest level in six years
, higher than any point in President Barack Obama’s second term, the Trump administration announced Monday.

Increased spending in 2018 bumped the deficit up 17 percent to $779 billion in fiscal year 2018, largely due to an increase in spending and a decrease in corporate tax revenue because of the Republican tax cuts late last year. The deficit is now on track to surpass $1 trillion before 2020.

U.S. budget deficit reaches higher level under Trump than at any point in Obama's second term



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Well is he out of office or is this his economy?

No, it's Trump's economic wisdom

Donald Trump has filed for corporate bankruptcy four times, in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009.
All of these bankruptcies were connected to over-leveraged casino and hotel properties in Atlantic City, all of which are now operated under the banner of Trump Entertainment Resorts. He has never filed for personal bankruptcy -- an important distinction when considering his ability to emerge relatively unscathed, at least financially.

"Corporations, limited partnerships, and LLCs in which he had an ownership interest or companies that had his name attached have filed for bankruptcy," said Michael Viscount of Atlantic City law firm Fox Rothschild LLP, who represented unsecured creditors when Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, as it was then called, filed for Chapter 11 protection in 2004. "Therein lies the big distinction.”
Fourth Time's A Charm: How Donald Trump Made Bankruptcy Work For Him

Trump's financial wisdom left all his creditors holding empty bags while he makes luv with porn stars.

U.S. BUDGET DEFICIT REACHES HIGHER LEVEL UNDER TRUMP THAN AT ANY POINT IN OBAMA'S SECOND TERM
The U.S. budget deficit reached its highest level in six years
, higher than any point in President Barack Obama’s second term, the Trump administration announced Monday.

Increased spending in 2018 bumped the deficit up 17 percent to $779 billion in fiscal year 2018, largely due to an increase in spending and a decrease in corporate tax revenue because of the Republican tax cuts late last year. The deficit is now on track to surpass $1 trillion before 2020.

U.S. budget deficit reaches higher level under Trump than at any point in Obama's second term



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Wise businessmen push limits, and at times it doesn’t work. Your deflection is more telling than his bankruptcies. Just saying, everyone knew this. So still you have no point
 
You don't seem to grasp the fact that the "rich" have more money than they know what to do with it.

And you think somehow that gives you the right to decide what is to be done with their success?

Most of it sits in a bank somewhere that are just numbers on a sheet of paper doing nothing but generation more interest that is just pilled up on top of more money going nowhere, helping no one but to boost their egos.[/quoite]

Clearly, you don't know much about the rich...only an idiot would leave money sitting in a bank. The rich don't get rich by letting their money sit and stagnate at a couple of percent a year...their money is at work..

If they halved (1/2) their wealth their life style would not change one iota.

And who made you and yours the lifestyle police?

The wealthy pay a very small fraction of their wealth (do to loop holes) in taxes while the middle and lower incomes pay a disproportion of their income in medicare, social security and federal income taxes.

Your envy has blinded you to the truth...the top 1% of earners in the US pay 39.5% of all taxes paid....the top 5% pay 20.5% of all taxes paid...we are only talking about the top 6% and already have covered 50% of all the taxes paid in this country...those that fall in the top 25% pay 15.9% and those that fall in the top 10% pay 10.9%....That is 86.8% of all taxes paid in this country..

I don't hate anyone for any reason which shows me you don't know me at all

Of course you do...your envy of the rich literally drips from your writing..

You, SSDD, are doing the very same thing

Yeah, I am...but I am glad that some very rich people used their money to start the business where I work, and give me an opportunity to earn a good living for myself and my family and I don't hold their success against them in any way.
 
People who believe minimum wage increases help the poorest among us are people who have never had to write a pay check...

Oh cry me a river, the poor rich must pay their workers, Oh Poor Babies praying for the day slavery is made legal again. Da poor rice, I cry for their plight.

you think the wage is the only expense an
employer pays when he hires someone? Think again..

One again, the poor rich who have to give up 1/64th of their money just to pay wages, Oh Poor Babies.,,, we must return slavery to it's rightful place, NOW !!!!!!

Oh cry me a river; flooding the swamp to its rightful level

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Sad to be so envious that you hate...have you talked to your employer about how much you hate and resent him for his success? My bet is no...sort of makes you a hypocrite doesn't it?
 

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