Gun control in Australia is supposed to stop these shootings...they banned and confiscated guns cause no 2nd Amendment.

[2aguy]

They had a shooting in Australia.........that should have been stopped by their extreme gun control laws...

Despite that massive gun confiscation of almost all firearms, not just “weapons of mass murder,” six people were shot to death, including two young police officers in a stand-off Monday evening.

One of the suspects was a former school principal named Nathaniel Train. Police ended up shooting and killing him, his brother and his sister-in-law. The police are tight-lipped about how the trio secured their weapons and ammunition, most long banned in Oz.

The incident began when police showed up at a remote property doing a welfare check on Mr. Train. Two were shot right away. Two more narrowly escape with their lives.

UNPOSSIBLE: Six Shot Dead, Including Two Cops, In Heavily Gun-Controlled Australia - The Truth About Guns

Australians suffered through a government-mandated gun confiscation in 1996 after the Port Arthur shooting. That nation’s leaders pounded their lecterns saying the forced confiscations were necessary to prevent gun homicides including mass murders. In the years since, supporters of gun...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

 

[Moonglow]

200 plus mass shooting in the US and now we have one in Australia.

 

[2aguy]

200 plus mass shooting in the US and now we have one in Australia.

Nope...6 in 2021, 2 in 2020.....

 

[JGalt]

They had a shooting in Australia.........that should have been stopped by their extreme gun control laws...

Despite that massive gun confiscation of almost all firearms, not just “weapons of mass murder,” six people were shot to death, including two young police officers in a stand-off Monday evening.

One of the suspects was a former school principal named Nathaniel Train. Police ended up shooting and killing him, his brother and his sister-in-law. The police are tight-lipped about how the trio secured their weapons and ammunition, most long banned in Oz.

The incident began when police showed up at a remote property doing a welfare check on Mr. Train. Two were shot right away. Two more narrowly escape with their lives.

UNPOSSIBLE: Six Shot Dead, Including Two Cops, In Heavily Gun-Controlled Australia - The Truth About Guns

Australians suffered through a government-mandated gun confiscation in 1996 after the Port Arthur shooting. That nation’s leaders pounded their lecterns saying the forced confiscations were necessary to prevent gun homicides including mass murders. In the years since, supporters of gun...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Well that was just weird. I can’t imagine any anti-police sentiment in Australia…

 

[Man of Ethics]

200 plus mass shooting in the US and now we have one in Australia.

Agree 100%. Each year, in USA, over 20,000 people die by gun suicide and over 10,000 people die by gun homicide.

 

[JGalt]

Agree 100%. Each year, in USA, over 20,000 people die by gun suicide and over 10,000 people die by gun homicide.

While instances of defensive gun use have been estimated to occur as high as 2.5 million times per year in the US.

CDC removed stats on defensive gun use over pressure from gun control activists: report

 

[M14 Shooter]

Agree 100%. Each year, in USA, over 20,000 people die by gun suicide and over 10,000 people die by gun homicide.

This misuse represents ~0.00827% of the guns in the US.
So...?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

But they have a great abundance of wonderful wildlife because of it

(And no, I'm not talking about Stormy Daniels)

 

[Captain Caveman]

They had a shooting in Australia.........that should have been stopped by their extreme gun control laws...

Despite that massive gun confiscation of almost all firearms, not just “weapons of mass murder,” six people were shot to death, including two young police officers in a stand-off Monday evening.

One of the suspects was a former school principal named Nathaniel Train. Police ended up shooting and killing him, his brother and his sister-in-law. The police are tight-lipped about how the trio secured their weapons and ammunition, most long banned in Oz.

The incident began when police showed up at a remote property doing a welfare check on Mr. Train. Two were shot right away. Two more narrowly escape with their lives.

UNPOSSIBLE: Six Shot Dead, Including Two Cops, In Heavily Gun-Controlled Australia - The Truth About Guns

Australians suffered through a government-mandated gun confiscation in 1996 after the Port Arthur shooting. That nation’s leaders pounded their lecterns saying the forced confiscations were necessary to prevent gun homicides including mass murders. In the years since, supporters of gun...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Gun control doesn't stop, it reduces. This has been said to you a thousand times and your thick skull can't take it in. Solid bone from the neck up.

 

[2aguy]

Agree 100%. Each year, in USA, over 20,000 people die by gun suicide and over 10,000 people die by gun homicide.

And the majority of fun murder cictims are not normal citizens, they are criminals, engaged in the criminal life style murdered by other criminals.

 

[2aguy]

Gun control doesn't stop, it reduces. This has been said to you a thousand times and your thick skull can't take it in. Solid bone from the neck up.

Guns in the hands of normal gun owners stops rapes, robberies, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, murders and even mass public shootings...on top of that, it keeps the governmwnt from committing mass murder and genocide.......

 

[Captain Caveman]

Guns in the hands of normal gun owners stops rapes, robberies, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, murders and even mass public shootings...on top of that, it keeps the governmwnt from committing mass murder and genocide.......

Let's go over old ground. Have car regulations stopped crashes and road deaths?

I will leave that with you, thick ****.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Guns in the hands of normal gun owners stops rapes, robberies, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, murders and even mass public shootings...on top of that, it keeps the governmwnt from committing mass murder and genocide.......

Even criminals and suicide perpetrators are humans -- G-d's Creation.

 

[Man of Ethics]

While instances of defensive gun use have been estimated to occur as high as 2.5 million times per year in the US.

CDC removed stats on defensive gun use over pressure from gun control activists: report

Given that justifiable homicide makes up less then 2.5% of all homicide I find that unbelievable. I understand that many studies may claim that there are 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year, but that these studies were done by gun lobby.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Given that justifiable homicide makes up less then 2.5% of all homicide I find that unbelievable.

You do know you do not need to shoot someone to use a firearm in self-defense, right?

 

[Flash]

Agree 100%. Each year, in USA, over 20,000 people die by gun suicide and over 10,000 people die by gun homicide.

Suicides will happen no matter what instruments they have available.

By far most of the homicides in this country are among druggies, gang members and street thugs in Democrat controlled big city shitholes that don't adhere to the existing gun laws, no less more stringent ones.

2aguy did a really good breakdown of the real statistics in a recent thread. Go look it up if you don't believe me.

The more stringent the gun laws the more of a black market in guns among the criminal element.

We see it in Europe and as the article indicated we see it in Australia.

 

[JGalt]

Given that justifiable homicide makes up less then 2.5% of all homicide I find that unbelievable. I understand that many studies may claim that there are 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year, but that these studies were done by gun lobby.

Would you believe that not all instances of the use of a firearm for self-defense necessarily involve some criminal asshole getting himself perforated? Do you really think you'd want to press the issue any farther if you attacked me and I drew down on you with a Glock G19 with 16 rounds of 147 grain XTP JHP and two spare 15-round magazines?

Nigga pleeze. Most of the time a weapon is used for self-defense purposes, it's not even reported to the police.

 

[2aguy]

Given that justifiable homicide makes up less then 2.5% of all homicide I find that unbelievable. I understand that many studies may claim that there are 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year, but that these studies were done by gun lobby.

Moron....Gary Kleck, the criminologist who did that study is an anti- gun guy...or was when he did that research, with no connection to the gun lobby....

 

[Man of Ethics]

Moron....Gary Kleck, the criminologist who did that study is an anti- gun guy...or was when he did that research, with no connection to the gun lobby....

I do not think the number of gun self-defenses can be measured. Justifiable homicides are rare. Here.

 

[2aguy]

I do not think the number of gun self-defenses can be measured. Justifiable homicides are rare. Here.

The Violence Policy Center?



The 17 or more actual studies......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.