frigidweirdo
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Clearly the only sensible answer is to have more guns freely available...that'll fix it.
Yep....
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
This is hilarious.
It's taking a few facts and believing you can manipulate people with only a small portion and a massive fairy tale of an interpretation.
Gun ownership
Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2017 | Statistic
Crime statistics
United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2017
In 1972 there was 43% gun ownership.
In 2017 there was 42% gun ownership.
It seems to fluctuate between 37% and 47%, though this might just be how they collect the data. Either way there doesn't seem to be a rise in people owning guns. Just an increase in POPULATION which means more people own guns, because there are more people. (Read, OP couldn't use statistics honestly if he tried)
Gun ownership was probably similar in the 1950s when crime rates were lower too.
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That US murder rates went down, doesn't mean much when they've not been below 4 murders per 100,000 people in the last 100 something years, and when the UK hasn't been above 1.5 in the last 200 years.
And increase of crime happens at times, and it decreases at times.
To simply say "crime is rising" therefore it's bad, is to ignore so much stuff and to be totally dishonest.
The fact that crime is rising is because the UK has had a Conservative government in power for the last 8 years. They've cut police spending, they've cut spending on education, on things like that.
Dishonesty is the only thing you'll find in the OP's posts in general, and there's no exception here.
You just admitted in your post that gun crime is not dependent on gun control......it is about time you admitted it. Criminals use guns...they don't always use them for murder.....and Britain has a growing gun crime problem......
Yes, I admit that the number of guns does not lead to X amount of gun crime or gun murders.
This topic is not just "this leads to that every single time". There are lots and lots of factors in what leads to higher murder rates. But then dealing with lots and lots of factors with a guy who repeatedly misuses single facts and statistics is going to be futile, isn't it?
The only time when complexity is convenient for you is when your simplistic argument has been destroyed and you're clinging on to whatever you can find.
You can't even be honest enough to answer questions properly, but you continue to misrepresent every single time. Oh, and insult. Remember the "Moron" and then your reason why I was a "Moron" was you not responding to what I wrote and saying something completely disconnected with what I said?