Gun free Britain? Murders going to hit 10 year high...

[2aguy]

FOUR times lower than the US

And again, that has nothing to do with their gun control laws....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Yes, it has A LOT to do with gun control laws.

It has nothing to do with their gun control laws... their violent crime rates were low before they banned guns, their gun murder rates were low before they banned guns...now? Their violent crime is sky rocketing, and their gun murder rates didn't change..since British criminals don't commit murder as often......

Gun control has only added to the violence in Britain as normal, law abiding Brits are helpless in the face of increasingly violent criminals...

And explain this.....why is it that in the United States.... you can't explain this according to your theory, while my points address all of it....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.





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[2aguy]

You think that criminals are not getting more guns now? Your post has no bearing on the fact that Britain's criminals are getting more guns... you only focus on gun murder since that hasn't changed in Britain, except for the massive spike immediately after they banned guns.

You want to show that criminals are getting more guns now. Then prove it. Until then I call bullshit on your fake crap.

Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Guns arent banned in the UK. But gun ownership is limited. Thats why our death rates are a fraction of yours. You have lost this argument so many times its laughable.

No....you are wrong....gun ownership is limited for law abiding citizens...the ones who weren't using them for crime in the first place...but among criminals, gun crime is up 42% in London and up 23% across England and Wales...they obviously didn't get the message that guns are limited.

their murder rate is FOUR times lower
but who cares about that/murder/etc?

Yes.... it was 4 times lower before they banned guns..... you need to show us that gun control effected this...and it obviously didn't.... in fact, you would need to show that gun control not only effected gun murder but that it also effected gun crime.....

You can't because gun crime in Britain is going up...which means the gun control laws are not working. You can't explain that.

you can't explain why it is that under your argument, you can't explain why gun crime and gun murder in the U.S. has gone down as more Americans own and carry guns, while it is going up in Britain...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.





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[harmonica]

FOUR times lower than the US

And again, that has nothing to do with their gun control laws....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Yes, it has A LOT to do with gun control laws.

It has nothing to do with their gun control laws... their violent crime rates were low before they banned guns, their gun murder rates were low before they banned guns...now? Their violent crime is sky rocketing, and their gun murder rates didn't change..since British criminals don't commit murder as often......

Gun control has only added to the violence in Britain as normal, law abiding Brits are helpless in the face of increasingly violent criminals...

And explain this.....why is it that in the United States.... you can't explain this according to your theory, while my points address all of it....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.





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you did NOT answer the question: why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?

 

[2aguy]

The point that 2Aguy makes is that he's an absolute fraud and "fake news" reporter.

No, gun laws don't stop things 100%, who said they do?

The UK's murder rate is 4 time or more lower than the US's. A rise in crime is inevitable as is a drop in crime at other times. That's what happens in life.

The fraud is trying to claim that a rise is worse than a drop in crime and murders, REGARDLESS of what the rate is in the first place. This is just ridiculous.

And again, you go to a statistic that is not relevant to the gun control laws in Britain working, since gun crime is going up..which means there are more guns in the hands of criminals in Britain...... that means that if they wanted to murder people with those guns, they could.

You keep being told over and over again that Britain did not have a high gun murder rate for it's entire history.....that means before they banned guns. Then, they banned guns and there was a spike in gun murder, and now it has gone down...what didn't go down? Gun crime...that is up...not down. You need to distract attention away from that fact.

You're telling me about stuff that's not relevant? Wow, the king of posting totally irrelevant crap.

No, more gun crime does not equate to more guns in the hands of criminals. That's a ridiculous assertion.

Yes, if they wanted to murder people, they could. I mean if you had a knife or poison or a car or hands you could also murder people.

Unfortunately for you and your lunacy, there are no international statistics on the numbers of people who WANT TO MURDER PEOPLE BUT DON'T.

But thank you for that irrelevant crap anyway.

So, you're trying to make the argument that gun violence was low before gun control laws were enacted therefore.... therefore... who the fuck knows that comes after therefore. The UK had low numbers of guns before gun control. In 1997 gun control was enacted to stop random mass gun murders, of which there haven't been many while the US has one every month right now.

So the gun control law works. However you have decided that somehow you either have gun control and it works 100% or you don't have it. You can't have an in between because... because... who the fuck knows what comes after because.

As for your claim, backed up by not one single statistic, that gun crime didn't go down. Bullshit.

See here, 2002 gun murders went up, as did murder in general, and then it wen down again. Dropping by more than 50%.

And here's firearms offenses which reached a high in 2006 and then went down too.

Right, so you've just made up "facts" again, for the umpteenth time. Why do you pull this shit exactly?

So the gun control law works. However you have decided that somehow you either have gun control and it works 100% or you don't have it. You can't have an in between because... because... who the fuck knows what comes after because.

This is pretty much the cornerstone of his bullshit. Refuting claims that have never been made. A rational person reading it would conclude that we need less guns in the UK not more.

With low gun ownership we have a murder rate that is a fraction of the US with its gun culture. It is impossible to make a coherent argument against that.

Gun ownership doesn't drive the murder rate...criminals deciding to murder their victims drives the murder rate and as we keep showing you, criminals in Britain have guns......lots of guns....they don't use them to murder their victims as often as American criminals do. You can't make a coherent argument because you can't explain how you have more gun crime in Britain after you banned and confiscated guns...while in America we have less gun crime as more Americans own and actually carry guns. You go to the British gun murder rate in a desperate attempt to hide your inability to explain more gun crime, but as we show you that Britain had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns, you can't explain the increase in gun crime...so you keep hyping the already low gun murder rate as an indication that gun control is working....

Since British criminals are using guns more often, not less....gun control is not working...since the point is to keep guns out of the hands of criminals....

Gun ownership itself doesn't drive murder. There's far more to it than that.

Easy availability of guns is one massive factor here. It's the difference between having a gun and using it freely, and having a gun and protecting it.

The inability of US politicians to actually give a fuck about sorting out social problems is another reason why guns exacerbate already bad problems.

The problem here is you don't understand Britain's gun bans and how they worked. So you're pretending there were lots of guns and then all of a sudden there weren't lots of guns. It never worked like that.

Guns have never been totally banned. Over a period of time guns have been more limited. In 1997 handguns were banned. It wasn't like many people actually had handguns in the first place. The ban didn't impact many people. So it wasn't actually much of a watershed moment for guns at all. Had handguns not been banned, not much would have changed.

I can explain the increase in gun crime. Guns can get into the UK because the UK has a massive coastline. However guns are not easily available.

With the prevalence of US TV shows, some kids think it's cool to get guns. There was a short period of time where gun crime increased for a period of about two months. It was caused by young kids using guns as if they were in the US. For the police it was a problem, but they were able to deal with this situation because they could mop up the guns, and then they can't easily get more.

But you keep going out of your way to attack me and leave yourself open to ridicule when you say stuff that is based on ignorance.

Wrong... you can't explain how Britain's gun ban worked because their gun murder rate didn't go down....and their gun crime rate went up...

You have no change in the gun murder rate and you have more gun crime...after the ban... you can't explain that.

You can't explain how the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate and the violent crime rate went down in the U.S. after more Americans, not less, own and carry guns.....

Britain can't keep guns out and they are an island..... Australia can't keep guns out and they are an island...and you think with the Mexican drug cartels setting up gun making factories on our border with hundreds of miles of open border that we would be able to keep guns out of our country?

You have no argument... your arguments are not supported by the facts or the realities of gun control....you have nothing...

 

[JLW]

FOUR times lower than the US

And again, that has nothing to do with their gun control laws....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

So, just had to read your link about the Top Trauma Surgeon "shocked" by gun violence.

The first thing I noticed was you edited the first paragraph. The first paragraph state that the number of gun shot victims was 50 or 60 for the year to date, the date being Oct 1. They get that many gun shot victims a day in some American cities.

What a joke. When the Cons talk about gun violence going up in Britain it is from a very small number which they ignore or deceive about in their posts.

 

[2aguy]

Yes...you are another one who hides the failure of gun control laws in Britain by focusing on gun murder which has never been a major problem in Britain, since their criminals didn't do it...even before they banned guns. You have to hide the fact that gun crime, the illegal use of guns in the commission of violent crimes against unarmed citizens, is increasing...

And if the criminals have the guns in increasing numbers, what gun control law is stopping them from walking into a church, a school or a mall? And which gun control law keeps them from pulling the trigger and aiming at the head or chest instead of the leg?

Please explain how that works.

Easy availability of guns means that criminals value their weapons less, which means they're more likely to use them.

Whereas in the UK a criminal might be able to get a gun, or might not, it might cost them more and it might be more of a struggle to get another one.

Also that gun warfare isn't prevalent means guns are often used as a means of scaring people, rather than actually having to use them.

But then again, I showed you the murder rate in the US and the UK compared in a chart, and somehow you believe this is me "focusing on gun murder".

Another one of your inabilities to know what people are talking about in your desire to "win" of get what you want regardless of the truth.

UK gun control laws are not a failure. They're also not 100% effective, but what laws are?

But the UK gun murder rate is massively low, it's murder rate isn't high. It's a success.

You think that criminals are not getting more guns now? Your post has no bearing on the fact that Britain's criminals are getting more guns... you only focus on gun murder since that hasn't changed in Britain, except for the massive spike immediately after they banned guns.

You want to show that criminals are getting more guns now. Then prove it. Until then I call bullshit on your fake crap.

Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Right, so you need someone to explain it for you? You can't do it yourself?

The Daily Mail is a right wing newspaper that aims to sell with sensationalism.

Also I showed you statistics which tell us that gun violence hit a high in 2006 and then dropped.

Also the Daily Mail is being deliberately dishonest, what a surprise. Had they gone from 1993 to 2009 they'd have seen gun crime rose only slightly in that time, from about 7.75 to 8.2 according to this chart.

But they wanted to bash the Labour Party. The problem is, it was the Tories' lack of investment in the police, in social problems etc that caused this. It just took a bit of time for it to come about.

The same thing is happening now. They've been in power 8 years, crime is rising again, police funding is dropping, social problems funding is dropping too.

Labour took over and had everything going down by the time they left office.

But you carry on being dishonest and ignorant of the UK.

The Tories can't invest in the police because the social welfare state has drained all the money....and the left wingers in Britain are now doing the same thing to the British police that our democrat party is doing to the police here in the States...they call them racists...they call them thugs....and they are the ones cutting their funding, manpower and tying their hands with politically correct policies that keep them from stopping gun criminals....

British police ‘still institutionally racist’, senior officer admits as new recruitment strategy launched

British policing is still “institutionally racist”, a senior police officer has admitted while launching a drive to boost the number of recruits from minority groups.

Chief Constable Gareth Wilson, the national lead for diversity, equality and inclusion, told The Independent the service has “come on leaps and bounds” in recent years but there is more work left to do.

 

[harmonica]

answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?

 

[miketx]

FOUR times lower than the US

And again, that has nothing to do with their gun control laws....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

So, just had to read your link about the Top Trauma Surgeon "shocked" by gun violence.

The first thing I noticed was you edited the first paragraph. The first paragraph state that the number of gun shot victims was 50 or 60 for the year to date, the date being Oct 1. They get that many gun shot victims a day in some American cities.

What a joke. When the Cons talk about gun violence going up it is from a very small number which they ignore or deceive about in their posts.

Our crime would be a lot lower if liberals would stop plea bargains, early release, and paroles for violent scum, but they won't

 

[2aguy]

FOUR times lower than the US

And again, that has nothing to do with their gun control laws....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

So, just had to read your link about the Top Trauma Surgeon "shocked" by gun violence.

The first thing I noticed was you edited the first paragraph. The first paragraph state that the number of gun shot victims was 50 or 60 for the year to date, the date being Oct 1. They get that many gun shot victims a day in some American cities.

What a joke. When the Cons talk about gun violence going up it is from a very small number which they ignore or deceive about in their posts.

Yes....as you can see by every single post I make, I state that gun murder in Britain has always been low......long before they banned guns.... I also state that the culture of British criminals does not include murder of victims as easily or often as American criminals...... I also show that gun crimes are increasing....they have illegal guns, and use them for crime, which means that if gun crime is increasing, their gun control laws are not working......since the point of gun control is to reduce gun crime.......

Britain is at the point the United States was at in the 1950s going into the 1960s.......their social welfare systems have finally managed to create fatherless homes, where young, teenage girls are raising young males without fathers to help them become young men...the only role models are now criminals and music stars, including rap.....

Their murder rate is going up, their crime rate is through the roof, and their gun crime is going up....

They are also using the left wing belief system that criminals can be released into society without consequences......and so they are becoming bolder and less afraid of their police...

Thousands of violent and sexual crime suspects released without conditions

Thousands of suspects in violent and sexual crimes have been released without conditions since changes to police bail came into effect, it has been reported.

More than 3,000 people were released under investigation for offences such as murder and rape by 12 police forces over a three-month period, according to the BBC.

Figures released to the broadcaster under the Freedom of Information Act, covering April to June 2017, found these included 1,692 people arrested for violent crimes, 768 rape suspects and 31 questioned on suspicion of murder.



If you can't see that, you are blind.

 

[2aguy]

answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?

I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.

Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.

What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....

Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....

 

[miketx]

FOUR times lower than the US

And again, that has nothing to do with their gun control laws....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

So, just had to read your link about the Top Trauma Surgeon "shocked" by gun violence.

The first thing I noticed was you edited the first paragraph. The first paragraph state that the number of gun shot victims was 50 or 60 for the year to date, the date being Oct 1. They get that many gun shot victims a day in some American cities.

What a joke. When the Cons talk about gun violence going up it is from a very small number which they ignore or deceive about in their posts.

Yes....as you can see by every single post I make, I state that gun murder in Britain has always been low......long before they banned guns.... I also state that the culture of British criminals does not include murder of victims as easily or often as American criminals...... I also show that gun crimes are increasing....they have illegal guns, and use them for crime, which means that if gun crime is increasing, their gun control laws are not working......since the point of gun control is to reduce gun crime.......

Britain is at the point the United States was at in the 1950s going into the 1960s.......their social welfare systems have finally managed to create fatherless homes, where young, teenage girls are raising young males without fathers to help them become young men...the only role models are now criminals and music stars, including rap.....

Their murder rate is going up, their crime rate is through the roof, and their gun crime is going up....

If you can't see that, you are blind.

He/they and them do not want to see it.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You want to show that criminals are getting more guns now. Then prove it. Until then I call bullshit on your fake crap.

Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Guns arent banned in the UK. But gun ownership is limited. Thats why our death rates are a fraction of yours. You have lost this argument so many times its laughable.

No....you are wrong....gun ownership is limited for law abiding citizens...the ones who weren't using them for crime in the first place...but among criminals, gun crime is up 42% in London and up 23% across England and Wales...they obviously didn't get the message that guns are limited.

Guns are limited, "law abiding people" can have guns too.

Crime is up. You've been told why crime is up, because of the right wing government in power.

But crime is up, and still MASSIVELY LOWER THAN IN THE USA.

Yes......criminals are getting guns because they need them to support their drug business.....and as the left wing socialists use all the money for social welfare programs, the first groups that get hit are law enforcement....which the socially active left wingers attack as racist and out of control....allowing their manpower to be cut, their resources to be cut and their effectiveness to be cut because of politically correct policies.....

Gun ownership in Britain is reserved for the rich..... those who can own the tiny number of hunting shotguns for shooting game on their estates...meanwhile....the nurse coming home on the tube gets dragged into a park and gang raped because she can't have a gun to defend herself....the senior citizen living in public housing gets beaten and tortured by the feral youths, raised on welfare, without fathers.......

Crime is going up in Britain.....a lot...their social welfare system has finally reached the point of no return....

Your mythical nurse is four times safer in gon control UK. In the US she could be shot on the tube.Shot at the convenience store. Shot when she stops to llight a candle,shot if she has a beer befoe picking u her kids who have been shot at in school.

You are a fuckin muppet.

 

[2aguy]

Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Guns arent banned in the UK. But gun ownership is limited. Thats why our death rates are a fraction of yours. You have lost this argument so many times its laughable.

No....you are wrong....gun ownership is limited for law abiding citizens...the ones who weren't using them for crime in the first place...but among criminals, gun crime is up 42% in London and up 23% across England and Wales...they obviously didn't get the message that guns are limited.

Guns are limited, "law abiding people" can have guns too.

Crime is up. You've been told why crime is up, because of the right wing government in power.

But crime is up, and still MASSIVELY LOWER THAN IN THE USA.

Yes......criminals are getting guns because they need them to support their drug business.....and as the left wing socialists use all the money for social welfare programs, the first groups that get hit are law enforcement....which the socially active left wingers attack as racist and out of control....allowing their manpower to be cut, their resources to be cut and their effectiveness to be cut because of politically correct policies.....

Gun ownership in Britain is reserved for the rich..... those who can own the tiny number of hunting shotguns for shooting game on their estates...meanwhile....the nurse coming home on the tube gets dragged into a park and gang raped because she can't have a gun to defend herself....the senior citizen living in public housing gets beaten and tortured by the feral youths, raised on welfare, without fathers.......

Crime is going up in Britain.....a lot...their social welfare system has finally reached the point of no return....

Your mythical nurse is four times safer in gon control UK. In the US she could be shot on the tube.Shot at the convenience store. Shot when she stops to llight a candle,shot if she has a beer befoe picking u her kids who have been shot at in school.

You are a fuckin muppet.

Wrong..... our gun crime is confined to very tiny, democrat party controlled areas in our cities.....anywhere else and our country is as safe if not safer than places in Europe....Britain has more violent crime and rape than we do....

 

[2aguy]

Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Guns arent banned in the UK. But gun ownership is limited. Thats why our death rates are a fraction of yours. You have lost this argument so many times its laughable.

No....you are wrong....gun ownership is limited for law abiding citizens...the ones who weren't using them for crime in the first place...but among criminals, gun crime is up 42% in London and up 23% across England and Wales...they obviously didn't get the message that guns are limited.

Guns are limited, "law abiding people" can have guns too.

Crime is up. You've been told why crime is up, because of the right wing government in power.

But crime is up, and still MASSIVELY LOWER THAN IN THE USA.

Yes......criminals are getting guns because they need them to support their drug business.....and as the left wing socialists use all the money for social welfare programs, the first groups that get hit are law enforcement....which the socially active left wingers attack as racist and out of control....allowing their manpower to be cut, their resources to be cut and their effectiveness to be cut because of politically correct policies.....

Gun ownership in Britain is reserved for the rich..... those who can own the tiny number of hunting shotguns for shooting game on their estates...meanwhile....the nurse coming home on the tube gets dragged into a park and gang raped because she can't have a gun to defend herself....the senior citizen living in public housing gets beaten and tortured by the feral youths, raised on welfare, without fathers.......

Crime is going up in Britain.....a lot...their social welfare system has finally reached the point of no return....

Your mythical nurse is four times safer in gon control UK. In the US she could be shot on the tube.Shot at the convenience store. Shot when she stops to llight a candle,shot if she has a beer befoe picking u her kids who have been shot at in school.

You are a fuckin muppet.

What mythical nurse?

Dr. Rowell Huesmann criticized private gun ownership while speaking to President Donald Trump’s Federal Commission on School Safety. Afterward, he released written notes in which he admitted the level of rape in gun-free U.K. is higher than in the U.S.

He wrote:

A comparison of the frequency of types of violence in the United States and the United Kingdom is illuminating in this regard. Contrary to what many think, well done studies have shown that the risk of being violently victimized in the United Kingdom has been higher than in the United States for most years since about 1995. That is true for assault, robbery, rape, and many other violent crimes, but it is not true of homicide, of firearm assault, or school shootings. Obviously, weapon availability makes a difference.



Psychologist Bemoans U.S. Gun Ownership, Admits Higher Level of Rape in Gun-Free U.K. | Breitbart

 

[2aguy]

Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Guns arent banned in the UK. But gun ownership is limited. Thats why our death rates are a fraction of yours. You have lost this argument so many times its laughable.

No....you are wrong....gun ownership is limited for law abiding citizens...the ones who weren't using them for crime in the first place...but among criminals, gun crime is up 42% in London and up 23% across England and Wales...they obviously didn't get the message that guns are limited.

Guns are limited, "law abiding people" can have guns too.

Crime is up. You've been told why crime is up, because of the right wing government in power.

But crime is up, and still MASSIVELY LOWER THAN IN THE USA.

Yes......criminals are getting guns because they need them to support their drug business.....and as the left wing socialists use all the money for social welfare programs, the first groups that get hit are law enforcement....which the socially active left wingers attack as racist and out of control....allowing their manpower to be cut, their resources to be cut and their effectiveness to be cut because of politically correct policies.....

Gun ownership in Britain is reserved for the rich..... those who can own the tiny number of hunting shotguns for shooting game on their estates...meanwhile....the nurse coming home on the tube gets dragged into a park and gang raped because she can't have a gun to defend herself....the senior citizen living in public housing gets beaten and tortured by the feral youths, raised on welfare, without fathers.......

Crime is going up in Britain.....a lot...their social welfare system has finally reached the point of no return....

Your mythical nurse is four times safer in gon control UK. In the US she could be shot on the tube.Shot at the convenience store. Shot when she stops to llight a candle,shot if she has a beer befoe picking u her kids who have been shot at in school.

You are a fuckin muppet.

Mythical Nurse?

Rape prosecutions fall despite police reports rising

The number of rape suspects charged by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has fallen by almost a quarter over the last year, despite an increase in the number of allegations being reported to the police.

In 2017-18 the CPS charged 2,822 defendants with rape, almost 850 less than the previous year and the lowest in a decade.

But the fall - which continues a three year downward trend - comes at a time when complaints to the police are continuing to rise, almost doubling over the last five years.

 

[miketx]

Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Guns arent banned in the UK. But gun ownership is limited. Thats why our death rates are a fraction of yours. You have lost this argument so many times its laughable.

No....you are wrong....gun ownership is limited for law abiding citizens...the ones who weren't using them for crime in the first place...but among criminals, gun crime is up 42% in London and up 23% across England and Wales...they obviously didn't get the message that guns are limited.

Guns are limited, "law abiding people" can have guns too.

Crime is up. You've been told why crime is up, because of the right wing government in power.

But crime is up, and still MASSIVELY LOWER THAN IN THE USA.

Yes......criminals are getting guns because they need them to support their drug business.....and as the left wing socialists use all the money for social welfare programs, the first groups that get hit are law enforcement....which the socially active left wingers attack as racist and out of control....allowing their manpower to be cut, their resources to be cut and their effectiveness to be cut because of politically correct policies.....

Gun ownership in Britain is reserved for the rich..... those who can own the tiny number of hunting shotguns for shooting game on their estates...meanwhile....the nurse coming home on the tube gets dragged into a park and gang raped because she can't have a gun to defend herself....the senior citizen living in public housing gets beaten and tortured by the feral youths, raised on welfare, without fathers.......

Crime is going up in Britain.....a lot...their social welfare system has finally reached the point of no return....

Your mythical nurse is four times safer in gon control UK. In the US she could be shot on the tube.Shot at the convenience store. Shot when she stops to llight a candle,shot if she has a beer befoe picking u her kids who have been shot at in school.

You are a fuckin muppet.

Muslims will rape her, stab her, throw acid on her, behead her. Nothing mythical there.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Guns arent banned in the UK. But gun ownership is limited. Thats why our death rates are a fraction of yours. You have lost this argument so many times its laughable.

No....you are wrong....gun ownership is limited for law abiding citizens...the ones who weren't using them for crime in the first place...but among criminals, gun crime is up 42% in London and up 23% across England and Wales...they obviously didn't get the message that guns are limited.

Guns are limited, "law abiding people" can have guns too.

Crime is up. You've been told why crime is up, because of the right wing government in power.

But crime is up, and still MASSIVELY LOWER THAN IN THE USA.

Yes......criminals are getting guns because they need them to support their drug business.....and as the left wing socialists use all the money for social welfare programs, the first groups that get hit are law enforcement....which the socially active left wingers attack as racist and out of control....allowing their manpower to be cut, their resources to be cut and their effectiveness to be cut because of politically correct policies.....

Gun ownership in Britain is reserved for the rich..... those who can own the tiny number of hunting shotguns for shooting game on their estates...meanwhile....the nurse coming home on the tube gets dragged into a park and gang raped because she can't have a gun to defend herself....the senior citizen living in public housing gets beaten and tortured by the feral youths, raised on welfare, without fathers.......

Crime is going up in Britain.....a lot...their social welfare system has finally reached the point of no return....

Your mythical nurse is four times safer in gon control UK. In the US she could be shot on the tube.Shot at the convenience store. Shot when she stops to llight a candle,shot if she has a beer befoe picking u her kids who have been shot at in school.

You are a fuckin muppet.

Mythical Nurse?

Rape prosecutions fall despite police reports rising

The number of rape suspects charged by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has fallen by almost a quarter over the last year, despite an increase in the number of allegations being reported to the police.

In 2017-18 the CPS charged 2,822 defendants with rape, almost 850 less than the previous year and the lowest in a decade.

But the fall - which continues a three year downward trend - comes at a time when complaints to the police are continuing to rise, almost doubling over the last five years.

So there is no rape in the US despite everyoone owning a huundred guns ?
Knobhead.

 

[miketx]

No....you are wrong....gun ownership is limited for law abiding citizens...the ones who weren't using them for crime in the first place...but among criminals, gun crime is up 42% in London and up 23% across England and Wales...they obviously didn't get the message that guns are limited.

Guns are limited, "law abiding people" can have guns too.

Crime is up. You've been told why crime is up, because of the right wing government in power.

But crime is up, and still MASSIVELY LOWER THAN IN THE USA.

Yes......criminals are getting guns because they need them to support their drug business.....and as the left wing socialists use all the money for social welfare programs, the first groups that get hit are law enforcement....which the socially active left wingers attack as racist and out of control....allowing their manpower to be cut, their resources to be cut and their effectiveness to be cut because of politically correct policies.....

Gun ownership in Britain is reserved for the rich..... those who can own the tiny number of hunting shotguns for shooting game on their estates...meanwhile....the nurse coming home on the tube gets dragged into a park and gang raped because she can't have a gun to defend herself....the senior citizen living in public housing gets beaten and tortured by the feral youths, raised on welfare, without fathers.......

Crime is going up in Britain.....a lot...their social welfare system has finally reached the point of no return....

Your mythical nurse is four times safer in gon control UK. In the US she could be shot on the tube.Shot at the convenience store. Shot when she stops to llight a candle,shot if she has a beer befoe picking u her kids who have been shot at in school.

You are a fuckin muppet.

Mythical Nurse?

Rape prosecutions fall despite police reports rising

The number of rape suspects charged by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has fallen by almost a quarter over the last year, despite an increase in the number of allegations being reported to the police.

In 2017-18 the CPS charged 2,822 defendants with rape, almost 850 less than the previous year and the lowest in a decade.

But the fall - which continues a three year downward trend - comes at a time when complaints to the police are continuing to rise, almost doubling over the last five years.

So there is no rape in the US despite everyoone owning a huundred guns ?
Knobhead.

That's correct. me, I own 106.

 

[2aguy]

No....you are wrong....gun ownership is limited for law abiding citizens...the ones who weren't using them for crime in the first place...but among criminals, gun crime is up 42% in London and up 23% across England and Wales...they obviously didn't get the message that guns are limited.

Guns are limited, "law abiding people" can have guns too.

Crime is up. You've been told why crime is up, because of the right wing government in power.

But crime is up, and still MASSIVELY LOWER THAN IN THE USA.

Yes......criminals are getting guns because they need them to support their drug business.....and as the left wing socialists use all the money for social welfare programs, the first groups that get hit are law enforcement....which the socially active left wingers attack as racist and out of control....allowing their manpower to be cut, their resources to be cut and their effectiveness to be cut because of politically correct policies.....

Gun ownership in Britain is reserved for the rich..... those who can own the tiny number of hunting shotguns for shooting game on their estates...meanwhile....the nurse coming home on the tube gets dragged into a park and gang raped because she can't have a gun to defend herself....the senior citizen living in public housing gets beaten and tortured by the feral youths, raised on welfare, without fathers.......

Crime is going up in Britain.....a lot...their social welfare system has finally reached the point of no return....

Your mythical nurse is four times safer in gon control UK. In the US she could be shot on the tube.Shot at the convenience store. Shot when she stops to llight a candle,shot if she has a beer befoe picking u her kids who have been shot at in school.

You are a fuckin muppet.

Mythical Nurse?

Rape prosecutions fall despite police reports rising

The number of rape suspects charged by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has fallen by almost a quarter over the last year, despite an increase in the number of allegations being reported to the police.

In 2017-18 the CPS charged 2,822 defendants with rape, almost 850 less than the previous year and the lowest in a decade.

But the fall - which continues a three year downward trend - comes at a time when complaints to the police are continuing to rise, almost doubling over the last five years.

So there is no rape in the US despite everyoone owning a huundred guns ?
Knobhead.

Nope...didn't say that....but a gun in the hands of an American woman is the best defense against rape, by one or even several rapists....

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Guns are limited, "law abiding people" can have guns too.

Crime is up. You've been told why crime is up, because of the right wing government in power.

But crime is up, and still MASSIVELY LOWER THAN IN THE USA.

Yes......criminals are getting guns because they need them to support their drug business.....and as the left wing socialists use all the money for social welfare programs, the first groups that get hit are law enforcement....which the socially active left wingers attack as racist and out of control....allowing their manpower to be cut, their resources to be cut and their effectiveness to be cut because of politically correct policies.....

Gun ownership in Britain is reserved for the rich..... those who can own the tiny number of hunting shotguns for shooting game on their estates...meanwhile....the nurse coming home on the tube gets dragged into a park and gang raped because she can't have a gun to defend herself....the senior citizen living in public housing gets beaten and tortured by the feral youths, raised on welfare, without fathers.......

Crime is going up in Britain.....a lot...their social welfare system has finally reached the point of no return....

Your mythical nurse is four times safer in gon control UK. In the US she could be shot on the tube.Shot at the convenience store. Shot when she stops to llight a candle,shot if she has a beer befoe picking u her kids who have been shot at in school.

You are a fuckin muppet.

Mythical Nurse?

Rape prosecutions fall despite police reports rising

The number of rape suspects charged by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has fallen by almost a quarter over the last year, despite an increase in the number of allegations being reported to the police.

In 2017-18 the CPS charged 2,822 defendants with rape, almost 850 less than the previous year and the lowest in a decade.

But the fall - which continues a three year downward trend - comes at a time when complaints to the police are continuing to rise, almost doubling over the last five years.

So there is no rape in the US despite everyoone owning a huundred guns ?
Knobhead.

Nope...didn't say that....but a gun in the hands of an American woman is the best defense against rape, by one or even several rapists....

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

Do you have something from this century ?

Dont bother, your rape victim has been shot in a bar before she could be raped.