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FOUR times lower than the US
And again, that has nothing to do with their gun control laws....
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .
========
Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show
Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.
=========
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News
Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of Londonās gun crime
A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.
----
He said the hospitalās major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.
-----
Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.
Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: āOur numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.
-----
Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.
He added that medics at the Barts Health hospitalās major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.
Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of Londonās gun crime discharges were gang-related.
He said: āWe believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.ā
Yes, it has A LOT to do with gun control laws.
It has nothing to do with their gun control laws... their violent crime rates were low before they banned guns, their gun murder rates were low before they banned guns...now? Their violent crime is sky rocketing, and their gun murder rates didn't change..since British criminals don't commit murder as often......
Gun control has only added to the violence in Britain as normal, law abiding Brits are helpless in the face of increasingly violent criminals...
And explain this.....why is it that in the United States.... you can't explain this according to your theory, while my points address all of it....
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nationās population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearmāassaults, robberies and sex crimesāwas 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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Easy availability of guns means that criminals value their weapons less, which means they're more likely to use them.
Whereas in the UK a criminal might be able to get a gun, or might not, it might cost them more and it might be more of a struggle to get another one.
Also that gun warfare isn't prevalent means guns are often used as a means of scaring people, rather than actually having to use them.
But then again, I showed you the murder rate in the US and the UK compared in a chart, and somehow you believe this is me "focusing on gun murder".
Another one of your inabilities to know what people are talking about in your desire to "win" of get what you want regardless of the truth.
UK gun control laws are not a failure. They're also not 100% effective, but what laws are?
But the UK gun murder rate is massively low, it's murder rate isn't high. It's a success.
You think that criminals are not getting more guns now? Your post has no bearing on the fact that Britain's criminals are getting more guns... you only focus on gun murder since that hasn't changed in Britain, except for the massive spike immediately after they banned guns.
You want to show that criminals are getting more guns now. Then prove it. Until then I call bullshit on your fake crap.
Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .
========
Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show
Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.
=========
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News
Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of Londonās gun crime
A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.
----
He said the hospitalās major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.
-----
Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.
Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: āOur numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.
-----
Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.
He added that medics at the Barts Health hospitalās major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.
Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of Londonās gun crime discharges were gang-related.
He said: āWe believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.ā
Right, so you need someone to explain it for you? You can't do it yourself?
The Daily Mail is a right wing newspaper that aims to sell with sensationalism.
Also I showed you statistics which tell us that gun violence hit a high in 2006 and then dropped.
Also the Daily Mail is being deliberately dishonest, what a surprise. Had they gone from 1993 to 2009 they'd have seen gun crime rose only slightly in that time, from about 7.75 to 8.2 according to this chart.
But they wanted to bash the Labour Party. The problem is, it was the Tories' lack of investment in the police, in social problems etc that caused this. It just took a bit of time for it to come about.
The same thing is happening now. They've been in power 8 years, crime is rising again, police funding is dropping, social problems funding is dropping too.
Labour took over and had everything going down by the time they left office.
But you carry on being dishonest and ignorant of the UK.
The Tories can't invest in the police because the social welfare state has drained all the money....and the left wingers in Britain are now doing the same thing to the British police that our democrat party is doing to the police here in the States...they call them racists...they call them thugs....and they are the ones cutting their funding, manpower and tying their hands with politically correct policies that keep them from stopping gun criminals....
British police āstill institutionally racistā, senior officer admits as new recruitment strategy launched
British policing is still āinstitutionally racistā, a senior police officer has admitted while launching a drive to boost the number of recruits from minority groups.
Chief Constable Gareth Wilson, the national lead for diversity, equality and inclusion, told The Independent the service has ācome on leaps and boundsā in recent years but there is more work left to do.
answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
What a ridiculous answer.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
FOUR times lower than the US
And again, that has nothing to do with their gun control laws....
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .
========
Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show
Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.
=========
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News
Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of Londonās gun crime
A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.
----
He said the hospitalās major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.
-----
Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.
Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: āOur numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.
-----
Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.
He added that medics at the Barts Health hospitalās major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.
Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of Londonās gun crime discharges were gang-related.
He said: āWe believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.ā
Yes, it has A LOT to do with gun control laws.
It has nothing to do with their gun control laws... their violent crime rates were low before they banned guns, their gun murder rates were low before they banned guns...now? Their violent crime is sky rocketing, and their gun murder rates didn't change..since British criminals don't commit murder as often......
Gun control has only added to the violence in Britain as normal, law abiding Brits are helpless in the face of increasingly violent criminals...
And explain this.....why is it that in the United States.... you can't explain this according to your theory, while my points address all of it....
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nationās population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearmāassaults, robberies and sex crimesāwas 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
http://
The problem is, again, you don't know why the gun control laws were brought in. You think it was to lower the violent crime rate. It wasn't. So why do you expect the laws to lower the violent crime rate.
Wait, you don't. You're just playing stupid games.
You think that criminals are not getting more guns now? Your post has no bearing on the fact that Britain's criminals are getting more guns... you only focus on gun murder since that hasn't changed in Britain, except for the massive spike immediately after they banned guns.
You want to show that criminals are getting more guns now. Then prove it. Until then I call bullshit on your fake crap.
Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .
========
Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show
Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.
=========
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News
Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of Londonās gun crime
A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.
----
He said the hospitalās major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.
-----
Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.
Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: āOur numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.
-----
Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.
He added that medics at the Barts Health hospitalās major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.
Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of Londonās gun crime discharges were gang-related.
He said: āWe believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.ā
Right, so you need someone to explain it for you? You can't do it yourself?
The Daily Mail is a right wing newspaper that aims to sell with sensationalism.
Also I showed you statistics which tell us that gun violence hit a high in 2006 and then dropped.
Also the Daily Mail is being deliberately dishonest, what a surprise. Had they gone from 1993 to 2009 they'd have seen gun crime rose only slightly in that time, from about 7.75 to 8.2 according to this chart.
But they wanted to bash the Labour Party. The problem is, it was the Tories' lack of investment in the police, in social problems etc that caused this. It just took a bit of time for it to come about.
The same thing is happening now. They've been in power 8 years, crime is rising again, police funding is dropping, social problems funding is dropping too.
Labour took over and had everything going down by the time they left office.
But you carry on being dishonest and ignorant of the UK.
The Tories can't invest in the police because the social welfare state has drained all the money....and the left wingers in Britain are now doing the same thing to the British police that our democrat party is doing to the police here in the States...they call them racists...they call them thugs....and they are the ones cutting their funding, manpower and tying their hands with politically correct policies that keep them from stopping gun criminals....
British police āstill institutionally racistā, senior officer admits as new recruitment strategy launched
British policing is still āinstitutionally racistā, a senior police officer has admitted while launching a drive to boost the number of recruits from minority groups.
Chief Constable Gareth Wilson, the national lead for diversity, equality and inclusion, told The Independent the service has ācome on leaps and boundsā in recent years but there is more work left to do.
You love to make stuff up, don't you?
You have no idea about the UK. You simply say they can't afford it. Yes, they can afford it, they just choose not to afford it.
Quite the opposite. Healthcare is being drained to give millionaires a tax break.You want to show that criminals are getting more guns now. Then prove it. Until then I call bullshit on your fake crap.
Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .
========
Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show
Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.
=========
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News
Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of Londonās gun crime
A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.
----
He said the hospitalās major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.
-----
Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.
Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: āOur numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.
-----
Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.
He added that medics at the Barts Health hospitalās major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.
Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of Londonās gun crime discharges were gang-related.
He said: āWe believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.ā
Right, so you need someone to explain it for you? You can't do it yourself?
The Daily Mail is a right wing newspaper that aims to sell with sensationalism.
Also I showed you statistics which tell us that gun violence hit a high in 2006 and then dropped.
Also the Daily Mail is being deliberately dishonest, what a surprise. Had they gone from 1993 to 2009 they'd have seen gun crime rose only slightly in that time, from about 7.75 to 8.2 according to this chart.
But they wanted to bash the Labour Party. The problem is, it was the Tories' lack of investment in the police, in social problems etc that caused this. It just took a bit of time for it to come about.
The same thing is happening now. They've been in power 8 years, crime is rising again, police funding is dropping, social problems funding is dropping too.
Labour took over and had everything going down by the time they left office.
But you carry on being dishonest and ignorant of the UK.
The Tories can't invest in the police because the social welfare state has drained all the money....and the left wingers in Britain are now doing the same thing to the British police that our democrat party is doing to the police here in the States...they call them racists...they call them thugs....and they are the ones cutting their funding, manpower and tying their hands with politically correct policies that keep them from stopping gun criminals....
British police āstill institutionally racistā, senior officer admits as new recruitment strategy launched
British policing is still āinstitutionally racistā, a senior police officer has admitted while launching a drive to boost the number of recruits from minority groups.
Chief Constable Gareth Wilson, the national lead for diversity, equality and inclusion, told The Independent the service has ācome on leaps and boundsā in recent years but there is more work left to do.
You love to make stuff up, don't you?
You have no idea about the UK. You simply say they can't afford it. Yes, they can afford it, they just choose not to afford it.
Their healthcare system is draining everything else over there....
You want to show that criminals are getting more guns now. Then prove it. Until then I call bullshit on your fake crap.
Here......a history of increasing gun crime in Britain after they banned guns...
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .
========
Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show
Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.
=========
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News
Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of Londonās gun crime
A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.
----
He said the hospitalās major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.
-----
Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.
Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: āOur numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.
-----
Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.
He added that medics at the Barts Health hospitalās major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.
Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of Londonās gun crime discharges were gang-related.
He said: āWe believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.ā
Right, so you need someone to explain it for you? You can't do it yourself?
The Daily Mail is a right wing newspaper that aims to sell with sensationalism.
Also I showed you statistics which tell us that gun violence hit a high in 2006 and then dropped.
Also the Daily Mail is being deliberately dishonest, what a surprise. Had they gone from 1993 to 2009 they'd have seen gun crime rose only slightly in that time, from about 7.75 to 8.2 according to this chart.
But they wanted to bash the Labour Party. The problem is, it was the Tories' lack of investment in the police, in social problems etc that caused this. It just took a bit of time for it to come about.
The same thing is happening now. They've been in power 8 years, crime is rising again, police funding is dropping, social problems funding is dropping too.
Labour took over and had everything going down by the time they left office.
But you carry on being dishonest and ignorant of the UK.
The Tories can't invest in the police because the social welfare state has drained all the money....and the left wingers in Britain are now doing the same thing to the British police that our democrat party is doing to the police here in the States...they call them racists...they call them thugs....and they are the ones cutting their funding, manpower and tying their hands with politically correct policies that keep them from stopping gun criminals....
British police āstill institutionally racistā, senior officer admits as new recruitment strategy launched
British policing is still āinstitutionally racistā, a senior police officer has admitted while launching a drive to boost the number of recruits from minority groups.
Chief Constable Gareth Wilson, the national lead for diversity, equality and inclusion, told The Independent the service has ācome on leaps and boundsā in recent years but there is more work left to do.
You love to make stuff up, don't you?
You have no idea about the UK. You simply say they can't afford it. Yes, they can afford it, they just choose not to afford it.
Their healthcare system is draining everything else over there....
FOUR times lower than the US
And again, that has nothing to do with their gun control laws....
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .
========
Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show
Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.
=========
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News
Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of Londonās gun crime
A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.
----
He said the hospitalās major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.
-----
Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.
Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: āOur numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.
-----
Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.
He added that medics at the Barts Health hospitalās major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.
Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of Londonās gun crime discharges were gang-related.
He said: āWe believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.ā
Yes, it has A LOT to do with gun control laws.
It has nothing to do with their gun control laws... their violent crime rates were low before they banned guns, their gun murder rates were low before they banned guns...now? Their violent crime is sky rocketing, and their gun murder rates didn't change..since British criminals don't commit murder as often......
Gun control has only added to the violence in Britain as normal, law abiding Brits are helpless in the face of increasingly violent criminals...
And explain this.....why is it that in the United States.... you can't explain this according to your theory, while my points address all of it....
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nationās population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearmāassaults, robberies and sex crimesāwas 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The problem is, again, you don't know why the gun control laws were brought in. You think it was to lower the violent crime rate. It wasn't. So why do you expect the laws to lower the violent crime rate.
Wait, you don't. You're just playing stupid games.
Wow....that answer had nothing to do with actually answering the question.
answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
What a ridiculous answer.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
You don't understand the damage that those wars did to the societies in Europe..... we didn't experience the loss of life and the destruction they did......
For the current situation? Read "Life at the Bottom," it will show you where the family is in Britain....
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
Oh good grief, more and more drivel from 2aguy. Just for fun, as I've not got time to respond in full now, here are some facts relating to UK WW1 deaths:
When you do the math, it's around 1.53% of the total population. If you look at census records from 1901 to 1931 the UK male population of military age remained fairly constant over the 3 decades at around 8-9 million and actually rose between 1921 and 1931; guess what the first thing those 7 million men wanted to do when they got home to their wives and girlfriends? I'll tell you, start families! Even the post war Flu epidemic only killed around 5,000 men.
- UK population in 1914 = 45,750,000
- men mobilised (total)= 8,375,000
- men killed 1914-18 all theatres= 702,410
Poverty causes families to breakdown; poverty caused by right wing governments imposing unnecessary ideological "Austerity" on the country and along with reducing Police resources, creates a toxic environment where drugs and dispair fuel violence.
answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
What a ridiculous answer.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
You don't understand the damage that those wars did to the societies in Europe..... we didn't experience the loss of life and the destruction they did......
For the current situation? Read "Life at the Bottom," it will show you where the family is in Britain....
Don't I? How the fuck would you know?
The point I was making, and somehow it managed to slip massively past you, was that you said that the death of so many males caused families to break up, which then led to social problems, and therefore by the time the 2000s came along, and all this violence, the widowers of those who died in WW1 were probably dead, and widowers of WW2 were probably in their 80s or 90s.
So how the FUCK does that impact the 2000s?
Can you please explain how a person dying in WW1 impacted the crime rate going up in the 2000s?
Fascinating. How has the US managed to avoid the single mother problem ?answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
What a ridiculous answer.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
You don't understand the damage that those wars did to the societies in Europe..... we didn't experience the loss of life and the destruction they did......
For the current situation? Read "Life at the Bottom," it will show you where the family is in Britain....
Don't I? How the fuck would you know?
The point I was making, and somehow it managed to slip massively past you, was that you said that the death of so many males caused families to break up, which then led to social problems, and therefore by the time the 2000s came along, and all this violence, the widowers of those who died in WW1 were probably dead, and widowers of WW2 were probably in their 80s or 90s.
So how the FUCK does that impact the 2000s?
Can you please explain how a person dying in WW1 impacted the crime rate going up in the 2000s?
No...moron, that isn't what I said... I said the destruction and death of the Two World Wars, and now that I think of it, the Depression, slowed down their society advancing the way the U.S. did.... So, moron, you have the death and destruction of World War 1, and it's aftermath, the Depression, and then World War 2.....major, catastrophic events....... and they slowed down those societies in Europe...... now you have the social welfare states wrecking the family structures in those countries, allowing young teenage girls to have children without husbands, and fathers for those children, so the young males have no one to raise them into young men.... And you are now seeing the effects of that in the increasing violence in those societies, especially Britain.....
If your reasoning about Britain being battered in two world wars (and now you throw in the Depression) causing crime rates to rise is true, then why has the US been so far ahead of them in this regard for so long?answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
What a ridiculous answer.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
You don't understand the damage that those wars did to the societies in Europe..... we didn't experience the loss of life and the destruction they did......
For the current situation? Read "Life at the Bottom," it will show you where the family is in Britain....
Don't I? How the fuck would you know?
The point I was making, and somehow it managed to slip massively past you, was that you said that the death of so many males caused families to break up, which then led to social problems, and therefore by the time the 2000s came along, and all this violence, the widowers of those who died in WW1 were probably dead, and widowers of WW2 were probably in their 80s or 90s.
So how the FUCK does that impact the 2000s?
Can you please explain how a person dying in WW1 impacted the crime rate going up in the 2000s?
No...moron, that isn't what I said... I said the destruction and death of the Two World Wars, and now that I think of it, the Depression, slowed down their society advancing the way the U.S. did.... So, moron, you have the death and destruction of World War 1, and it's aftermath, the Depression, and then World War 2.....major, catastrophic events....... and they slowed down those societies in Europe...... now you have the social welfare states wrecking the family structures in those countries, allowing young teenage girls to have children without husbands, and fathers for those children, so the young males have no one to raise them into young men.... And you are now seeing the effects of that in the increasing violence in those societies, especially Britain.....
Judging from previous postings I think he only hates some Americans.If your reasoning about Britain being battered in two world wars (and now you throw in the Depression) causing crime rates to rise is true, then why has the US been so far ahead of them in this regard for so long?I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
What a ridiculous answer.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
You don't understand the damage that those wars did to the societies in Europe..... we didn't experience the loss of life and the destruction they did......
For the current situation? Read "Life at the Bottom," it will show you where the family is in Britain....
Don't I? How the fuck would you know?
The point I was making, and somehow it managed to slip massively past you, was that you said that the death of so many males caused families to break up, which then led to social problems, and therefore by the time the 2000s came along, and all this violence, the widowers of those who died in WW1 were probably dead, and widowers of WW2 were probably in their 80s or 90s.
So how the FUCK does that impact the 2000s?
Can you please explain how a person dying in WW1 impacted the crime rate going up in the 2000s?
No...moron, that isn't what I said... I said the destruction and death of the Two World Wars, and now that I think of it, the Depression, slowed down their society advancing the way the U.S. did.... So, moron, you have the death and destruction of World War 1, and it's aftermath, the Depression, and then World War 2.....major, catastrophic events....... and they slowed down those societies in Europe...... now you have the social welfare states wrecking the family structures in those countries, allowing young teenage girls to have children without husbands, and fathers for those children, so the young males have no one to raise them into young men.... And you are now seeing the effects of that in the increasing violence in those societies, especially Britain.....
Especially when, in your reasoning, they have been insulated from all this mayhem and living in a land of milk and honey.
Are you saying that Americans are just naturally bigger arseholes than the Brits?
Why do you hate Americans?
ok--and I've stated this before--if it's a difference of UK vs American culture and not gun control, explain this:answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
the UK murder rate is not 2, not 3 but FOUR times loweranswer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
What a ridiculous answer.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
You don't understand the damage that those wars did to the societies in Europe..... we didn't experience the loss of life and the destruction they did......
For the current situation? Read "Life at the Bottom," it will show you where the family is in Britain....
answer the question:
why is UK's murder rate 4 times lower?
or France's/Germany's?
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
What a ridiculous answer.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
You don't understand the damage that those wars did to the societies in Europe..... we didn't experience the loss of life and the destruction they did......
For the current situation? Read "Life at the Bottom," it will show you where the family is in Britain....
Don't I? How the fuck would you know?
The point I was making, and somehow it managed to slip massively past you, was that you said that the death of so many males caused families to break up, which then led to social problems, and therefore by the time the 2000s came along, and all this violence, the widowers of those who died in WW1 were probably dead, and widowers of WW2 were probably in their 80s or 90s.
So how the FUCK does that impact the 2000s?
Can you please explain how a person dying in WW1 impacted the crime rate going up in the 2000s?
No...moron, that isn't what I said... I said the destruction and death of the Two World Wars, and now that I think of it, the Depression, slowed down their society advancing the way the U.S. did.... So, moron, you have the death and destruction of World War 1, and it's aftermath, the Depression, and then World War 2.....major, catastrophic events....... and they slowed down those societies in Europe...... now you have the social welfare states wrecking the family structures in those countries, allowing young teenage girls to have children without husbands, and fathers for those children, so the young males have no one to raise them into young men.... And you are now seeing the effects of that in the increasing violence in those societies, especially Britain.....
I answer that all the time.....World War 1 and 2 destroyed those countries, and drained millions of young men from their countries...... They are behind the United States in every way until now...they are catching up to the destruction of the family...which is creating violent sociopaths.
Their criminals do not use their illegal guns to murder as often or as easily as American criminals....due to cultural factors, not gun control.
What part of the fact that gun crime is going up in Britain is beyond you to understand....? They are getting illegal guns in larger numbers...they need them, especially their 3rd world drug gangs, to control their drug territories....they just do not use them to murder...as I highlight in most of these posts...they shoot the legs, not to the chest or the head when they shoot...a cultural difference and even that is changing....
Read the book, "Life at the Bottom," because it shows how their welfare system and bureaucratic mess is creating the exact same situation you see in our violent, democrat controlled cities....and they are just getting there...while we were there back in the 1960s, since our country was untouched by the destruction of World war 1 and 2....
What a ridiculous answer.
WW1 and WW2 killing off lots of young men and destroying the family is the reason that violent crime hit a high in the early 2000s. What, 60 years later.
If your idiotic theory were true, it'd have happened in the 1950s.
You don't understand the damage that those wars did to the societies in Europe..... we didn't experience the loss of life and the destruction they did......
For the current situation? Read "Life at the Bottom," it will show you where the family is in Britain....
Don't I? How the fuck would you know?
The point I was making, and somehow it managed to slip massively past you, was that you said that the death of so many males caused families to break up, which then led to social problems, and therefore by the time the 2000s came along, and all this violence, the widowers of those who died in WW1 were probably dead, and widowers of WW2 were probably in their 80s or 90s.
So how the FUCK does that impact the 2000s?
Can you please explain how a person dying in WW1 impacted the crime rate going up in the 2000s?
No...moron, that isn't what I said... I said the destruction and death of the Two World Wars, and now that I think of it, the Depression, slowed down their society advancing the way the U.S. did.... So, moron, you have the death and destruction of World War 1, and it's aftermath, the Depression, and then World War 2.....major, catastrophic events....... and they slowed down those societies in Europe...... now you have the social welfare states wrecking the family structures in those countries, allowing young teenage girls to have children without husbands, and fathers for those children, so the young males have no one to raise them into young men.... And you are now seeing the effects of that in the increasing violence in those societies, especially Britain.....
Ah, insults. Why are you pulling the insults out?
Oh, oh, so societies in Europe slowed down, did they?
Do you see a slowing down here? After WW2 the economies of the UK, Japan and Germany boomed. Just like the US. There was a certain amount of slowing compared to the US because they had to rebuild countries bombed to hell by their enemies. But the reality is, post WW2 the western world was booming.
So, how did that lead to an increase in gun deaths in the 2000s in the UK, but not Germany or Japan?
But this is just like a hole. You keep digging and digging. You didn't have a clue what you were talking about before, making up "facts", and now you have to make up more "facts" to try and save face for having been shown how wrong you were the previous time.
