Gun free zone law disarmed Va Beach shooting victim lawyer says

[Pilot1]

Law suits need to be brought against all the governments, and corporations that mandate Gun Free Zones. They are creating an unsafe work environment where people are MORE at risk from these shootings as the shooters LOOK for gun free zones.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What are you talking about? Yes, if you are carrying a concealed gun without a license, that's a felony. You will be arrested, charged. and jailed until you post bond.

which is a shame. Think about it....

The intent of the 2nd amendment is to give the people the power to resist government tyranny. And here, we've GIVEN government to right to dictate how, when and who can carry a gun. Do you see the sad irony?

I would argue the government has no business and no right infringing on 2nd amendment rights EXCEPT in the case of criminals and the mentally ill.
Infringement has encroached so far now that we thank the government for "allowing" us to pay for a permit to carry a gun. pathetic.

You can carry without a license in our state, just open carry though. Here, you cannot conceal a gun unless you have a permit. Doing so is against the law.

I have no problem with CCW licenses. Why? Because then I'm assured idiots don't have firearms on them. I've seen enough punks behave badly and dangerously at the shooting range.

If I know that only CCW holders have the ability to legally carry a firearm, I'm assured they went through the same training I did. They had the 10 hour class, they had to pass a written test, and they had to pass the range test, they were electronically fingerprinted and their criminal history has been examined.

The legislatures in our state are moving to have non-license conceal carry, and I'm totally against that. If passed, I predict problems with assholes having guns on them.

I have no problem with CCW licenses.

We have to disagree on this point...this is where the anti-gunners make the fees for classes and the training requirements so heavy, that normal people, especially the poor, can't afford the time and money to get the training and the license......and owning and carrying a gun is a Right, not a privilege.....

The criminals are already carrying guns without any of those tests or fees.....and anyone who mishandles a gun in public can already be arrested for doing it.......

There are already a lot of states with Constitutional Carry and they have no more problems with their gun owners than the states with extreme requirements like my state, Illinois. Normal people who want to carry a gun for self defense already go out and get the training.....mandating the training gives too much power to the gun banners and is unConstitutional in the first place.

We do have people carrying guns that are not allowed to, but that doesn't mean giving everybody the ability makes it any better.

I think carrying a firearm is a serious responsibility; one that immature adults are not capable of handling. And we all know there are plenty of those out there. We see it with alcohol, we see it on the road every day; or at least I do, we see it with recreational narcotics.

I'm as anti-government as they get, but unregulated carry will lead to trouble in my opinion. It's kind of like voting. If we only allowed people knowledgeable of politics and news to vote, we would not end up with so many idiots running our country. The problem is we allow anybody to vote.

Immature people pass the tests and pay the fees already. The problem is any fee for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....and test for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....so I have to disagree with you, we already have laws against using a gun irresponsibly.....a concealed carry class every 5 years for the permit isn't going to make irresponsible people more responsible. I just went through our 3 hour class to renew my permit.....2 hours of a slide show, and 10 rounds at 10, 21, 30 feet....... a total of 21 hits needed.....this is not going to keep irresponsible people from getting the permit..... and if you give the anti-gunners a chance, they will boost the requirements to the point that no one will be able to afford the time and money to get them.....

We have laws for irresponsible behavior, we don't need permits. Permits are the way they keep poor people from owning legal guns, the ones who need them the most in crime filled crap holes...

In Ohio, you don't need to take anymore classes to renew your license. Once every five years you go to the DMV and just renew it. The only inconvenience is they want a passport photograph for the license. Why a passport photograph only? I have no idea.

Some constitutional right do come with provisions. Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's. The Constitution does not forbid felons from owning guns either, it's a provision of the right that was legislated. Nor are those rights removed from people with mental disorders. So if we really look at the Constitution in a literal way, everybody including murderers and crazy people have a right to own and carry firearms.

Some irresponsible people can get a CCW license, but yahoos generally don't want to go through the process to get it. Plus at least when irresponsible people do get a license, they had to learn the laws of carrying and the state in general. That's something they would not be forced to learn if we had legal conceal carry with no classes. They will be under the impression they have the legal right to shoot anybody.

You and I both understand the practice it takes to use a firearm safely. Without a license, people who never shot a gun in their lives will have the ability to carry one. I wouldn't want anybody near me who is shooting a gun with no experience behind them. If you don't have the money for a license, you certainly never had the money to buy ammo and pay the expensive fees to practice at a range. When you start adding up the stall fee, ammo, targets, you can walk out of a gun range with over a hundred dollar bill for an hour or so of shooting.

 

[TNHarley]

You should be able to get sued for having a gun free zone while not protecting people.
When you disarm people, you take on the responsibility of protecting the disarmed.

 

[pismoe]

Do you think people should be allowed to bring weapons into a courtroom?

------------------------- just on the question by RWinger let me say sure . Quite often the 'judge' is armed , same thing for the Bailiffs and perhaps the Attorneys and other Officers of the Court RWinger

 

[Defiant1]

There should be no areas that are gun free zones because everywhere is a murder free zone.

 

[pismoe]

Do you think people should be allowed to bring weapons into a courtroom?

------------------------- just on the question by RWinger let me say sure . Quite often the 'judge' is armed , same thing for the Bailiffs and perhaps the Attorneys and other Officers of the Court RWinger

---------------------------- All the people that i mention are SPECIAL people with Special permissions and allowances . I hate Special peoples allowances and permissions that are Granted by Government RWinger .

 

[2aguy]

which is a shame. Think about it....

The intent of the 2nd amendment is to give the people the power to resist government tyranny. And here, we've GIVEN government to right to dictate how, when and who can carry a gun. Do you see the sad irony?

I would argue the government has no business and no right infringing on 2nd amendment rights EXCEPT in the case of criminals and the mentally ill.
Infringement has encroached so far now that we thank the government for "allowing" us to pay for a permit to carry a gun. pathetic.

You can carry without a license in our state, just open carry though. Here, you cannot conceal a gun unless you have a permit. Doing so is against the law.

I have no problem with CCW licenses. Why? Because then I'm assured idiots don't have firearms on them. I've seen enough punks behave badly and dangerously at the shooting range.

If I know that only CCW holders have the ability to legally carry a firearm, I'm assured they went through the same training I did. They had the 10 hour class, they had to pass a written test, and they had to pass the range test, they were electronically fingerprinted and their criminal history has been examined.

The legislatures in our state are moving to have non-license conceal carry, and I'm totally against that. If passed, I predict problems with assholes having guns on them.

I have no problem with CCW licenses.

We have to disagree on this point...this is where the anti-gunners make the fees for classes and the training requirements so heavy, that normal people, especially the poor, can't afford the time and money to get the training and the license......and owning and carrying a gun is a Right, not a privilege.....

The criminals are already carrying guns without any of those tests or fees.....and anyone who mishandles a gun in public can already be arrested for doing it.......

There are already a lot of states with Constitutional Carry and they have no more problems with their gun owners than the states with extreme requirements like my state, Illinois. Normal people who want to carry a gun for self defense already go out and get the training.....mandating the training gives too much power to the gun banners and is unConstitutional in the first place.

We do have people carrying guns that are not allowed to, but that doesn't mean giving everybody the ability makes it any better.

I think carrying a firearm is a serious responsibility; one that immature adults are not capable of handling. And we all know there are plenty of those out there. We see it with alcohol, we see it on the road every day; or at least I do, we see it with recreational narcotics.

I'm as anti-government as they get, but unregulated carry will lead to trouble in my opinion. It's kind of like voting. If we only allowed people knowledgeable of politics and news to vote, we would not end up with so many idiots running our country. The problem is we allow anybody to vote.

Immature people pass the tests and pay the fees already. The problem is any fee for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....and test for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....so I have to disagree with you, we already have laws against using a gun irresponsibly.....a concealed carry class every 5 years for the permit isn't going to make irresponsible people more responsible. I just went through our 3 hour class to renew my permit.....2 hours of a slide show, and 10 rounds at 10, 21, 30 feet....... a total of 21 hits needed.....this is not going to keep irresponsible people from getting the permit..... and if you give the anti-gunners a chance, they will boost the requirements to the point that no one will be able to afford the time and money to get them.....

We have laws for irresponsible behavior, we don't need permits. Permits are the way they keep poor people from owning legal guns, the ones who need them the most in crime filled crap holes...

In Ohio, you don't need to take anymore classes to renew your license. Once every five years you go to the DMV and just renew it. The only inconvenience is they want a passport photograph for the license. Why a passport photograph only? I have no idea.

Some constitutional right do come with provisions. Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's. The Constitution does not forbid felons from owning guns either, it's a provision of the right that was legislated. Nor are those rights removed from people with mental disorders. So if we really look at the Constitution in a literal way, everybody including murderers and crazy people have a right to own and carry firearms.

Some irresponsible people can get a CCW license, but yahoos generally don't want to go through the process to get it. Plus at least when irresponsible people do get a license, they had to learn the laws of carrying and the state in general. That's something they would not be forced to learn if we had legal conceal carry with no classes. They will be under the impression they have the legal right to shoot anybody.

You and I both understand the practice it takes to use a firearm safely. Without a license, people who never shot a gun in their lives will have the ability to carry one. I wouldn't want anybody near me who is shooting a gun with no experience behind them. If you don't have the money for a license, you certainly never had the money to buy ammo and pay the expensive fees to practice at a range. When you start adding up the stall fee, ammo, targets, you can walk out of a gun range with over a hundred dollar bill for an hour or so of shooting.

Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's.


That is why voter ids are free.....and they will send someone to your home to get you the id if you are home bound.

What would you do when the anti-gunners make the requirements more extreme? Put more fees and paperwork on getting the permit and higher penalties for clerical errors on your part? Forgetting to renew?

That is the problem...the same as democrats putting Poll Taxes and Literacy tests on voting Rights, they do the same for 2nd amendment Rights....

A Right that can be blocked through the imposition of fees and taxes is no longer a Right.

 

[Pilot1]

Maybe we should pay for the ability to speak our minds to? Or to write what we want? Oh wait. Hate Speech?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You can carry without a license in our state, just open carry though. Here, you cannot conceal a gun unless you have a permit. Doing so is against the law.

I have no problem with CCW licenses. Why? Because then I'm assured idiots don't have firearms on them. I've seen enough punks behave badly and dangerously at the shooting range.

If I know that only CCW holders have the ability to legally carry a firearm, I'm assured they went through the same training I did. They had the 10 hour class, they had to pass a written test, and they had to pass the range test, they were electronically fingerprinted and their criminal history has been examined.

The legislatures in our state are moving to have non-license conceal carry, and I'm totally against that. If passed, I predict problems with assholes having guns on them.

I have no problem with CCW licenses.

We have to disagree on this point...this is where the anti-gunners make the fees for classes and the training requirements so heavy, that normal people, especially the poor, can't afford the time and money to get the training and the license......and owning and carrying a gun is a Right, not a privilege.....

The criminals are already carrying guns without any of those tests or fees.....and anyone who mishandles a gun in public can already be arrested for doing it.......

There are already a lot of states with Constitutional Carry and they have no more problems with their gun owners than the states with extreme requirements like my state, Illinois. Normal people who want to carry a gun for self defense already go out and get the training.....mandating the training gives too much power to the gun banners and is unConstitutional in the first place.

We do have people carrying guns that are not allowed to, but that doesn't mean giving everybody the ability makes it any better.

I think carrying a firearm is a serious responsibility; one that immature adults are not capable of handling. And we all know there are plenty of those out there. We see it with alcohol, we see it on the road every day; or at least I do, we see it with recreational narcotics.

I'm as anti-government as they get, but unregulated carry will lead to trouble in my opinion. It's kind of like voting. If we only allowed people knowledgeable of politics and news to vote, we would not end up with so many idiots running our country. The problem is we allow anybody to vote.

Immature people pass the tests and pay the fees already. The problem is any fee for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....and test for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....so I have to disagree with you, we already have laws against using a gun irresponsibly.....a concealed carry class every 5 years for the permit isn't going to make irresponsible people more responsible. I just went through our 3 hour class to renew my permit.....2 hours of a slide show, and 10 rounds at 10, 21, 30 feet....... a total of 21 hits needed.....this is not going to keep irresponsible people from getting the permit..... and if you give the anti-gunners a chance, they will boost the requirements to the point that no one will be able to afford the time and money to get them.....

We have laws for irresponsible behavior, we don't need permits. Permits are the way they keep poor people from owning legal guns, the ones who need them the most in crime filled crap holes...

In Ohio, you don't need to take anymore classes to renew your license. Once every five years you go to the DMV and just renew it. The only inconvenience is they want a passport photograph for the license. Why a passport photograph only? I have no idea.

Some constitutional right do come with provisions. Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's. The Constitution does not forbid felons from owning guns either, it's a provision of the right that was legislated. Nor are those rights removed from people with mental disorders. So if we really look at the Constitution in a literal way, everybody including murderers and crazy people have a right to own and carry firearms.

Some irresponsible people can get a CCW license, but yahoos generally don't want to go through the process to get it. Plus at least when irresponsible people do get a license, they had to learn the laws of carrying and the state in general. That's something they would not be forced to learn if we had legal conceal carry with no classes. They will be under the impression they have the legal right to shoot anybody.

You and I both understand the practice it takes to use a firearm safely. Without a license, people who never shot a gun in their lives will have the ability to carry one. I wouldn't want anybody near me who is shooting a gun with no experience behind them. If you don't have the money for a license, you certainly never had the money to buy ammo and pay the expensive fees to practice at a range. When you start adding up the stall fee, ammo, targets, you can walk out of a gun range with over a hundred dollar bill for an hour or so of shooting.

Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's.


That is why voter ids are free.....and they will send someone to your home to get you the id if you are home bound.

What would you do when the anti-gunners make the requirements more extreme? Put more fees and paperwork on getting the permit and higher penalties for clerical errors on your part? Forgetting to renew?

That is the problem...the same as democrats putting Poll Taxes and Literacy tests on voting Rights, they do the same for 2nd amendment Rights....

A Right that can be blocked through the imposition of fees and taxes is no longer a Right.

Concealed carry only became constitutionally protected a few years ago. Before that, most states didn't allow concealed carry, and some not even open carry. If I remember correctly, it was your state that was forced to start a CCW program along with DC.

But that ruling didn't forbid states from requirements of having a CCW license. They were allowed to dictate their own standards and requirements. In states like New York, those standards are very extreme, and many people are denied the right to carry, so depending on where you live, we are already there.

 

[2aguy]

I have no problem with CCW licenses.

We have to disagree on this point...this is where the anti-gunners make the fees for classes and the training requirements so heavy, that normal people, especially the poor, can't afford the time and money to get the training and the license......and owning and carrying a gun is a Right, not a privilege.....

The criminals are already carrying guns without any of those tests or fees.....and anyone who mishandles a gun in public can already be arrested for doing it.......

There are already a lot of states with Constitutional Carry and they have no more problems with their gun owners than the states with extreme requirements like my state, Illinois. Normal people who want to carry a gun for self defense already go out and get the training.....mandating the training gives too much power to the gun banners and is unConstitutional in the first place.

We do have people carrying guns that are not allowed to, but that doesn't mean giving everybody the ability makes it any better.

I think carrying a firearm is a serious responsibility; one that immature adults are not capable of handling. And we all know there are plenty of those out there. We see it with alcohol, we see it on the road every day; or at least I do, we see it with recreational narcotics.

I'm as anti-government as they get, but unregulated carry will lead to trouble in my opinion. It's kind of like voting. If we only allowed people knowledgeable of politics and news to vote, we would not end up with so many idiots running our country. The problem is we allow anybody to vote.

Immature people pass the tests and pay the fees already. The problem is any fee for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....and test for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....so I have to disagree with you, we already have laws against using a gun irresponsibly.....a concealed carry class every 5 years for the permit isn't going to make irresponsible people more responsible. I just went through our 3 hour class to renew my permit.....2 hours of a slide show, and 10 rounds at 10, 21, 30 feet....... a total of 21 hits needed.....this is not going to keep irresponsible people from getting the permit..... and if you give the anti-gunners a chance, they will boost the requirements to the point that no one will be able to afford the time and money to get them.....

We have laws for irresponsible behavior, we don't need permits. Permits are the way they keep poor people from owning legal guns, the ones who need them the most in crime filled crap holes...

In Ohio, you don't need to take anymore classes to renew your license. Once every five years you go to the DMV and just renew it. The only inconvenience is they want a passport photograph for the license. Why a passport photograph only? I have no idea.

Some constitutional right do come with provisions. Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's. The Constitution does not forbid felons from owning guns either, it's a provision of the right that was legislated. Nor are those rights removed from people with mental disorders. So if we really look at the Constitution in a literal way, everybody including murderers and crazy people have a right to own and carry firearms.

Some irresponsible people can get a CCW license, but yahoos generally don't want to go through the process to get it. Plus at least when irresponsible people do get a license, they had to learn the laws of carrying and the state in general. That's something they would not be forced to learn if we had legal conceal carry with no classes. They will be under the impression they have the legal right to shoot anybody.

You and I both understand the practice it takes to use a firearm safely. Without a license, people who never shot a gun in their lives will have the ability to carry one. I wouldn't want anybody near me who is shooting a gun with no experience behind them. If you don't have the money for a license, you certainly never had the money to buy ammo and pay the expensive fees to practice at a range. When you start adding up the stall fee, ammo, targets, you can walk out of a gun range with over a hundred dollar bill for an hour or so of shooting.

Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's.


That is why voter ids are free.....and they will send someone to your home to get you the id if you are home bound.

What would you do when the anti-gunners make the requirements more extreme? Put more fees and paperwork on getting the permit and higher penalties for clerical errors on your part? Forgetting to renew?

That is the problem...the same as democrats putting Poll Taxes and Literacy tests on voting Rights, they do the same for 2nd amendment Rights....

A Right that can be blocked through the imposition of fees and taxes is no longer a Right.

Concealed carry only became constitutionally protected a few years ago. Before that, most states didn't allow concealed carry, and some not even open carry. If I remember correctly, it was your state that was forced to start a CCW program along with DC.

But that ruling didn't forbid states from requirements of having a CCW license. They were allowed to dictate their own standards and requirements. In states like New York, those standards are very extreme, and many people are denied the right to carry, so depending on where you live, we are already there.

so depending on where you live, we are already there

Yes....and it needs to be rolled back......a Right is a Right...

 

[WEATHER53]

Interesting that you have that right but a municipality strips you of it and then you are injured. I would say the municipality is liable for interfering in federal national rights

 

[Pilot1]

I have no problem with CCW licenses.

We have to disagree on this point...this is where the anti-gunners make the fees for classes and the training requirements so heavy, that normal people, especially the poor, can't afford the time and money to get the training and the license......and owning and carrying a gun is a Right, not a privilege.....

The criminals are already carrying guns without any of those tests or fees.....and anyone who mishandles a gun in public can already be arrested for doing it.......

There are already a lot of states with Constitutional Carry and they have no more problems with their gun owners than the states with extreme requirements like my state, Illinois. Normal people who want to carry a gun for self defense already go out and get the training.....mandating the training gives too much power to the gun banners and is unConstitutional in the first place.

We do have people carrying guns that are not allowed to, but that doesn't mean giving everybody the ability makes it any better.

I think carrying a firearm is a serious responsibility; one that immature adults are not capable of handling. And we all know there are plenty of those out there. We see it with alcohol, we see it on the road every day; or at least I do, we see it with recreational narcotics.

I'm as anti-government as they get, but unregulated carry will lead to trouble in my opinion. It's kind of like voting. If we only allowed people knowledgeable of politics and news to vote, we would not end up with so many idiots running our country. The problem is we allow anybody to vote.

Immature people pass the tests and pay the fees already. The problem is any fee for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....and test for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....so I have to disagree with you, we already have laws against using a gun irresponsibly.....a concealed carry class every 5 years for the permit isn't going to make irresponsible people more responsible. I just went through our 3 hour class to renew my permit.....2 hours of a slide show, and 10 rounds at 10, 21, 30 feet....... a total of 21 hits needed.....this is not going to keep irresponsible people from getting the permit..... and if you give the anti-gunners a chance, they will boost the requirements to the point that no one will be able to afford the time and money to get them.....

We have laws for irresponsible behavior, we don't need permits. Permits are the way they keep poor people from owning legal guns, the ones who need them the most in crime filled crap holes...

In Ohio, you don't need to take anymore classes to renew your license. Once every five years you go to the DMV and just renew it. The only inconvenience is they want a passport photograph for the license. Why a passport photograph only? I have no idea.

Some constitutional right do come with provisions. Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's. The Constitution does not forbid felons from owning guns either, it's a provision of the right that was legislated. Nor are those rights removed from people with mental disorders. So if we really look at the Constitution in a literal way, everybody including murderers and crazy people have a right to own and carry firearms.

Some irresponsible people can get a CCW license, but yahoos generally don't want to go through the process to get it. Plus at least when irresponsible people do get a license, they had to learn the laws of carrying and the state in general. That's something they would not be forced to learn if we had legal conceal carry with no classes. They will be under the impression they have the legal right to shoot anybody.

You and I both understand the practice it takes to use a firearm safely. Without a license, people who never shot a gun in their lives will have the ability to carry one. I wouldn't want anybody near me who is shooting a gun with no experience behind them. If you don't have the money for a license, you certainly never had the money to buy ammo and pay the expensive fees to practice at a range. When you start adding up the stall fee, ammo, targets, you can walk out of a gun range with over a hundred dollar bill for an hour or so of shooting.

Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's.


That is why voter ids are free.....and they will send someone to your home to get you the id if you are home bound.

What would you do when the anti-gunners make the requirements more extreme? Put more fees and paperwork on getting the permit and higher penalties for clerical errors on your part? Forgetting to renew?

That is the problem...the same as democrats putting Poll Taxes and Literacy tests on voting Rights, they do the same for 2nd amendment Rights....

A Right that can be blocked through the imposition of fees and taxes is no longer a Right.

Concealed carry only became constitutionally protected a few years ago. Before that, most states didn't allow concealed carry, and some not even open carry. If I remember correctly, it was your state that was forced to start a CCW program along with DC.

But that ruling didn't forbid states from requirements of having a CCW license. They were allowed to dictate their own standards and requirements. In states like New York, those standards are very extreme, and many people are denied the right to carry, so depending on where you live, we are already there.

The States are the biggest problem right now. They've been allowed to pass laws that are huge infringements on the Second Amendment. Imagine requiring having to buy a license, and pass requirements in order to exercise Free Speech? Corrupt courts have upheld the illegal laws. My state is Shall Issue, but I still have to apply, pass a background check and PAY A FEE. At some point I will move to a state with Constitutional Carry.

 

[2aguy]

We do have people carrying guns that are not allowed to, but that doesn't mean giving everybody the ability makes it any better.

I think carrying a firearm is a serious responsibility; one that immature adults are not capable of handling. And we all know there are plenty of those out there. We see it with alcohol, we see it on the road every day; or at least I do, we see it with recreational narcotics.

I'm as anti-government as they get, but unregulated carry will lead to trouble in my opinion. It's kind of like voting. If we only allowed people knowledgeable of politics and news to vote, we would not end up with so many idiots running our country. The problem is we allow anybody to vote.

Immature people pass the tests and pay the fees already. The problem is any fee for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....and test for the exercise of a Right is unConstitutional.....so I have to disagree with you, we already have laws against using a gun irresponsibly.....a concealed carry class every 5 years for the permit isn't going to make irresponsible people more responsible. I just went through our 3 hour class to renew my permit.....2 hours of a slide show, and 10 rounds at 10, 21, 30 feet....... a total of 21 hits needed.....this is not going to keep irresponsible people from getting the permit..... and if you give the anti-gunners a chance, they will boost the requirements to the point that no one will be able to afford the time and money to get them.....

We have laws for irresponsible behavior, we don't need permits. Permits are the way they keep poor people from owning legal guns, the ones who need them the most in crime filled crap holes...

In Ohio, you don't need to take anymore classes to renew your license. Once every five years you go to the DMV and just renew it. The only inconvenience is they want a passport photograph for the license. Why a passport photograph only? I have no idea.

Some constitutional right do come with provisions. Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's. The Constitution does not forbid felons from owning guns either, it's a provision of the right that was legislated. Nor are those rights removed from people with mental disorders. So if we really look at the Constitution in a literal way, everybody including murderers and crazy people have a right to own and carry firearms.

Some irresponsible people can get a CCW license, but yahoos generally don't want to go through the process to get it. Plus at least when irresponsible people do get a license, they had to learn the laws of carrying and the state in general. That's something they would not be forced to learn if we had legal conceal carry with no classes. They will be under the impression they have the legal right to shoot anybody.

You and I both understand the practice it takes to use a firearm safely. Without a license, people who never shot a gun in their lives will have the ability to carry one. I wouldn't want anybody near me who is shooting a gun with no experience behind them. If you don't have the money for a license, you certainly never had the money to buy ammo and pay the expensive fees to practice at a range. When you start adding up the stall fee, ammo, targets, you can walk out of a gun range with over a hundred dollar bill for an hour or so of shooting.

Saying one needs to pay for a right is the same argument used by leftist against Voter-Id's.


That is why voter ids are free.....and they will send someone to your home to get you the id if you are home bound.

What would you do when the anti-gunners make the requirements more extreme? Put more fees and paperwork on getting the permit and higher penalties for clerical errors on your part? Forgetting to renew?

That is the problem...the same as democrats putting Poll Taxes and Literacy tests on voting Rights, they do the same for 2nd amendment Rights....

A Right that can be blocked through the imposition of fees and taxes is no longer a Right.

Concealed carry only became constitutionally protected a few years ago. Before that, most states didn't allow concealed carry, and some not even open carry. If I remember correctly, it was your state that was forced to start a CCW program along with DC.

But that ruling didn't forbid states from requirements of having a CCW license. They were allowed to dictate their own standards and requirements. In states like New York, those standards are very extreme, and many people are denied the right to carry, so depending on where you live, we are already there.

The States are the biggest problem right now. They've been allowed to pass laws that are huge infringements on the Second Amendment. Imagine requiring having to buy a license, and pass requirements in order to exercise Free Speech? Corrupt courts have upheld the illegal laws. My state is Shall Issue, but I still have to apply, pass a background check and PAY A FEE. At some point I will move to a state with Constitutional Carry.

Yep...because the Supreme Court has been 4/4, 4 anti-gunners and 4 originalist/conservatives, with that moron Kennedy as the swing vote, both sides were afraid to take gun cases.....they couldn't trust how the vote would go.....so the lower courts, in particular the 9th, 4th and 2nd Courts of appeal have been openly defiant of the Heller and MacDonald rulings on guns and gun rights...

 

[rightwinger]

Do you think people should be allowed to bring weapons into a courtroom?

Big difference!
Everyone has to pass through a metal detector at the courthouse.

It is a gun free zone

So you're gonna double down on stupid....

Do you think people should be allowed to bring guns into a courtroom?
It is currently a gun free zone

You're just full of stupid question aren't you.....

You didn’t answer

 

[rightwinger]

There should be no areas that are gun free zones because everywhere is a murder free zone.

Airplanes?
Courts?
Sporting events?
Private businesses?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Big difference!
Everyone has to pass through a metal detector at the courthouse.

It is a gun free zone

So you're gonna double down on stupid....

Do you think people should be allowed to bring guns into a courtroom?
It is currently a gun free zone

You're just full of stupid question aren't you.....

You didn’t answer

I refuse to answer such an idiotic question.

 

[captkaos]

'Gun free zone' law disarmed Virginia Beach shooting victim, attorney says

Congrats Va Beach officials her blood and the other victims blood is on YOUR hands!

I don't know about anywhere else, but we have the same policy here, and we are very liberal when it comes to concealed carry.

Is there any state that allows CC in government buildings?

Ohio doesn't allow guns on Govt property. CC permit or not.

 

[captkaos]

There should be no areas that are gun free zones because everywhere is a murder free zone.

Airplanes?
Courts?
Sporting events?
Private businesses?

RW 'r ever had a close friend or relative murdered? In a school, in a Mall, Movie theatre, Concert venue, Bar, Restaurant, At the bus stop, or a little league ball game, in their home. Neither have a lot of other people but the ones who have sure wish somebody else would have been armed and willing to act. Don't you think?

 

[pismoe]

There should be no areas that are gun free zones because everywhere is a murder free zone.

Airplanes?
Courts?
Sporting events?
Private businesses?

------------------------------- help me out RWinger but Guns were always available in All the areas that you mention weren't they ?? Take Post OFFices for one . And in the 50s , 60s , 70s and later . Who knows who had a small gun in their pocket . I mean , hey , hammerless 'j frame' [and some few small 'i' frame] revolvers were made for the reason of 'pocket carry' of a loaded revolver or guns RWinger . ---------------- was no big deal when people where still Normal RWinger .

 

[pismoe]

and i think that there were guns marketed to 'shopkeepers' and ' post masters' but i will have to check RWinger .