gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the 2nd Amendment, New York is one of the worst...

[2aguy]

Book Burners burned books simply because they didn't like the books.....gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the gun world......they hate guns and will do anything they can to attack gun owners and their tools......

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

NY Democrats Introduce Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight Bill - The Truth About Guns

 

[guno]

Book Burners burned books simply because they didn't like the books.....gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the gun world......they hate guns and will do anything they can to attack gun owners and their tools......

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

NY Democrats Introduce Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight Bill - The Truth About Guns

 

[BULLDOG]

Guns are not a tool. Guns are made to kill. What job requires a gun in the tool box?

 

[RealDave]

Book Burners burned books simply because they didn't like the books.....gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the gun world......they hate guns and will do anything they can to attack gun owners and their tools......

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

NY Democrats Introduce Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight Bill - The Truth About Guns

Me carrying a book does not provide a potential danger to others.

You carrying a gun is a potential danger to others.

No one will kill anyone by stealing my book.

When I accidentally leave my book on the table, my kid won't kill himself if he picks it up.

If I mishandle my book, others don't get hurt.

I don't hate guns. I hate the idea of a sea of untrained idiots running around with loaded guns.

 

[2aguy]

Guns are not a tool. Guns are made to kill. What job requires a gun in the tool box?

Cop. Soldier. Private citizen saving a life, usually their own or a family member.

Guns are made to protect the life of the user. And they often accomplish that without ever being fired.

 

[2aguy]

Book Burners burned books simply because they didn't like the books.....gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the gun world......they hate guns and will do anything they can to attack gun owners and their tools......

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

NY Democrats Introduce Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight Bill - The Truth About Guns

Me carrying a book does not provide a potential danger to others.

You carrying a gun is a potential danger to others.

No one will kill anyone by stealing my book.

When I accidentally leave my book on the table, my kid won't kill himself if he picks it up.

If I mishandle my book, others don't get hurt.

I don't hate guns. I hate the idea of a sea of untrained idiots running around with loaded guns.

Books have caused the deaths of millions of people....books teach people how to make bombs, how to kill, how to steal.....guns are simply tools....books motivate killers.....

 

[2aguy]

Book Burners burned books simply because they didn't like the books.....gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the gun world......they hate guns and will do anything they can to attack gun owners and their tools......

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

NY Democrats Introduce Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight Bill - The Truth About Guns

Me carrying a book does not provide a potential danger to others.

You carrying a gun is a potential danger to others.

No one will kill anyone by stealing my book.

When I accidentally leave my book on the table, my kid won't kill himself if he picks it up.

If I mishandle my book, others don't get hurt.

I don't hate guns. I hate the idea of a sea of untrained idiots running around with loaded guns.

Book burners burned books they didn't like.....for no rational reason.....gun grabbers are nothing more than book burners, but their target is guns...that is why they push laws that do nothing against criminals and mass shooters...but they do punish normal people who want to own and carry guns....

 

[RealDave]

Guns are not a tool. Guns are made to kill. What job requires a gun in the tool box?

Cop. Soldier. Private citizen saving a life, usually their own or a family member.

Guns are made to protect the life of the user. And they often accomplish that without ever being fired.

Police & trained law enforcement should carry guns.

Putting a gun in your home INCREASES the likelihood of death/injury to the residence.

 

[RealDave]

Book Burners burned books simply because they didn't like the books.....gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the gun world......they hate guns and will do anything they can to attack gun owners and their tools......

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

NY Democrats Introduce Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight Bill - The Truth About Guns

Me carrying a book does not provide a potential danger to others.

You carrying a gun is a potential danger to others.

No one will kill anyone by stealing my book.

When I accidentally leave my book on the table, my kid won't kill himself if he picks it up.

If I mishandle my book, others don't get hurt.

I don't hate guns. I hate the idea of a sea of untrained idiots running around with loaded guns.

Book burners burned books they didn't like.....for no rational reason.....gun grabbers are nothing more than book burners, but their target is guns...that is why they push laws that do nothing against criminals and mass shooters...but they do punish normal people who want to own and carry guns....

Name all the attempts to take way your precious guns.

 

[2aguy]

Book Burners burned books simply because they didn't like the books.....gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the gun world......they hate guns and will do anything they can to attack gun owners and their tools......

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

NY Democrats Introduce Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight Bill - The Truth About Guns

Me carrying a book does not provide a potential danger to others.

You carrying a gun is a potential danger to others.

No one will kill anyone by stealing my book.

When I accidentally leave my book on the table, my kid won't kill himself if he picks it up.

If I mishandle my book, others don't get hurt.

I don't hate guns. I hate the idea of a sea of untrained idiots running around with loaded guns.

Book burners burned books they didn't like.....for no rational reason.....gun grabbers are nothing more than book burners, but their target is guns...that is why they push laws that do nothing against criminals and mass shooters...but they do punish normal people who want to own and carry guns....

Name all the attempts to take way your precious guns.

The most recent and the biggest threat...is the ruling by the 4th Circuit Court of appeals....where they stated military style guns....which actually means all guns......are not protected under the 2nd Amendment...

The Conspiracy To Dismember Heller

The consequences of the ruling cannot be overstated. In essence, the 4th Circuit has contrived a brand-new constitutional “test,” the practical effect of which is the removal of Second Amendment protection from any firearm that a judge happens not to like.

In Heller, the Supreme Court took three related positions:

First, that firearms “in common use” may not be banned;

second, that while “dangerous” arms may be regulated, only those that are “unusual” in addition are eligible for prohibition; and

third, that a government may not ban certain types of guns on the understanding that other types remain available.

In a follow-up case, Caetano v. Massachusetts, Justice Samuel Alito stated in his concurrence that “the relative dangerousness of a weapon is irrelevant when the weapon belongs to a class of arms commonly used for lawful purposes.”


Disgracefully, the 4th Circuit ignored all these prescriptions—which it was duty-bound to follow—electing instead to devise its own rule: that if a weapon is “most useful in military service,” it enjoys no constitutional protection.

In so doing, the court thumbed its nose at its superiors and quietly rewrote the law for millions of Americans.

Next we see what the hilary clinton attack would have been if she had won........

Articles: Hillary: Impose Gun Control by Judicial Fiat



Hillary’s focus on repealing the PLCAA seems strange: it’s been on the books for eleven years, it was passed by 2-1 bipartisan majorities (65-31 Senate, 283-144 House), and every suit it has blocked is one that should never have been filed. Yet oppose it Hillary does. Her campaign webpage proposes to “Take on the gun lobby by removing the industry’s sweeping legal protection for illegal and irresponsible actions (which makes it almost impossible for people to hold them accountable), and revoking licenses from dealers who break the law.” She told the Bridgeport News that “as president, I would lead the charge to repeal this law.” In Iowa, she called the PLCAA “one of the most egregious, wrong, pieces of legislation that ever passed the Congress.”

But, even given her anti-gun beliefs, why does Hillary place so high a priority on repealing some eleven-year-old statute?

The papers found in her husband’s presidential archives in Little Rock show why the lawsuits that the PLCAA stopped were so important to his anti-gun plans. A January 2000 question and answer document, probably meant to prepare Bill Clinton for a press conference, asks about his involvement in the lawsuits against the gun industry. It suggests as an answer that he “intends to engage the gun industry in negotiations” to “achieve meaningful reforms to the way the gun industry does business.” The memo suggests he close with “We want real reforms that will improve the public safety and save lives.”

This is noteworthy: the Clinton White House did not see the lawsuits’ purpose as winning money, but as a means to pressure the gun industry into adopting the Clinton “reforms.” What might those reforms have been?

The Clinton Presidential Archives answered that question, too. In December 1999, the “Office of the Deputy Secretary” (presumably of Treasury) had sent a fax to the fax line for Clinton’s White House Domestic Policy Council. The fax laid out a proposed settlement of the legal cases. The terms were very well designed. They would have given the antigun movements all the victories that it had been unable to win in Congress over the past twenty years! Moreover, the terms would be imposed by a court order, not by a statute. That meant that any violation could be prosecuted as a contempt of court, by the parties to the lawsuit rather than by the government. A future Congress could not repeal the judgment, and a future White House could not block its enforcement. The settlement would have a permanent existence outside the democratic process.

The terms were extensive and drastic:

Gun manufacturers must stop producing firearms (rifle, pistol, or shotguns) that could accept detachable magazines holding more than ten rounds. In practice, since there is no way to design a detachable-magazine firearm that cannot take larger magazines, this would mean ceasing production of all firearms with detachable magazines. No more semiauto handguns.

The manufacturers would be required to stop production of magazines holding more than ten rounds.

Manufacturers must also stop production of firearms with polymer frames. All handguns made must meet importation standards (long barrels, target sights, etc.).

After five years, manufacturers must produce nothing but “smart guns” (that is, using “authorized user technology”).

But those conditions were just the beginning. The next requirement was the key to regulating all licensed firearms dealers, as well. The manufacturers must agree to sell only to distributors and dealers who agreed to comply with the standards set for distributors and dealers. Thus dealers would were not parties to the lawsuits would be forced to comply, upon pain of being unable to buy inventory.

The dealers in turn must agree:

They’d make no sales at gun shows, and no sales over internet.

They’d hold their customers to one-gun-a-month, for all types of guns, not just handguns.

They would not sell used or new magazines holding more than ten rounds.

They would not sell any firearm that fell within the definitions of the 1994 “assault weapon ban,” even if the ban expired.

They must prove they have a minimum inventory of each manufacturers’ product, and that they derive a majority of their revenue from firearms or sporting equipment sales. No more small town hardware store dealers, and no more WalMarts with gun sections.

The manufacturers would be required to pay for a “monitor,” a person to make sure the settlement was enforced. The monitor would create a “sales data clearinghouse,” to which the manufacturers, distributors, and dealers must report each gun sale, thus creating a registration system, outside of the government and thus not covered by the Privacy Act.

The monitor would have the authority to hire investigators, inspect dealer records without notice, and to “conduct undercover sting operations.” The monitor would thus serve as a private BATFE, without the legal restrictions that bind that agency, and paid for by the gun industry itself.

The manufacturers must cut off any dealer who failed to comply, and whenever BATFE traced a gun to a dealer, the dealer would be presumed guilty unless he could prove himself innocent. (BATFE encourages police departments to trace every firearm that comes into their hands, including firearms turned in, lost and found, and recovered from thieves. As a result, it performs over 300,000 traces a year. Thus, this term would lead to many dealers being cut off and forced to prove their innocence on a regular basis).

Gun registration, one gun a month, magazines limited to ten rounds, no Glocks, no guns with detachable magazines (in effect, no semiauto handguns), no dealers at gun shows, an “assault weapon ban” in perpetuity, no internet sales. In short, the movement to restrict gun owners would have achieved, in one stroke, every objective it had labored for over the years -- indeed, it would have achieved some that (a ban on semiauto handguns) that were so bold it had never dared to propose them. All this would be achieved without the messy necessity of winning a majority vote in Congress.


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Then we have Peruta v. San Diego...which would strip concealed carry rights from law abiding citizens....if this goes wrong at the Supreme Court it will allow states to deny carry Rights to citizens....

Peruta v. San Diego County - Wikipedia

Peruta v. San Diego is a case before the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit pertaining to the legality of San Diego County's restrictive policy regarding requiring documentation of "good cause" that "distinguish[es] the applicant from the mainstream and places the applicant in harm's way" (Cal. Pen. Code §§ 26150, 26155) before issuing a concealed carry permit.

After an initial ruling which held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protected the right to carry a weapon, the court reheard the case en banc, ultimately upholding the lower court ruling, saying that "there is no Second Amendment right for members of the general public to carry concealed firearms in public."

While the ruling technically applied to all states and territories under the jurisdiction of the Ninth Circuit, it only applied to California and Hawaii in practice because the remaining states in the Ninth Circuit's area of responsibility have either Shall-Issue licensing policies or allow concealed carry without a permit.

Those are 3 big ones.....then you have all the ones from various gun grabbing states.......and all of them would effect the ability to keep and bear arms......

 

[2aguy]

Guns are not a tool. Guns are made to kill. What job requires a gun in the tool box?

Cop. Soldier. Private citizen saving a life, usually their own or a family member.

Guns are made to protect the life of the user. And they often accomplish that without ever being fired.

Police & trained law enforcement should carry guns.

Putting a gun in your home INCREASES the likelihood of death/injury to the residence.

No...that isn't true......the studies on this so far, from kellerman and hemenway focused entirely on homes with major problems....criminal activity, drug abuse and alcohol abuse and long histories of demestic abuse.....

The fact is....that we have 400 million guns in private hand......over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense...

How many accidental deaths, genius? With all of those guns and all of those people carrying guns out in public...

in 2015....489.

Total.

How many non fatal accidents.....

Non fatal gun injury stats from 1993......

Nonfatal and Fatal Firearm-Related Injuries -- United States, 1993-1997
1993... 104,390
1994... 89,744
1995... 84,322
1996... 69,649
1997... 64,207
Surveillance for Fatal and Nonfatal Firearm-Related Injuries --- United States, 1993--1998
1998... 79,384
WISQARS Nonfatal Injury Reports

CDC non fatal gun accident.....

2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

2015... 17,311

To put that in perspective....how many accidental car deaths were there, compared to accidental gun deaths.....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


Total car accidental death....

2015....36,161
2014....33,736
2013....33,804
2012....34,935

So.......in 2015......

36,161 accidenal car deaths.........

489 accidental gun deaths.

You do not know what you are talking about......

 

[2aguy]

Guns are not a tool. Guns are made to kill. What job requires a gun in the tool box?

Cop. Soldier. Private citizen saving a life, usually their own or a family member.

Guns are made to protect the life of the user. And they often accomplish that without ever being fired.

Police & trained law enforcement should carry guns.

Putting a gun in your home INCREASES the likelihood of death/injury to the residence.

And to that myth about guns....

Public Health and Gun Control: A Review



Since at least the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellermann (and associates), whose work had been heavily-funded by the CDC, published a series of studies purporting to show that persons who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than those who don¹t.

In a 1986 NEJM paper, Dr. Kellermann and associates, for example, claimed their "scientific research" proved that defending oneself or one¹s family with a firearm in the home is dangerous and counter productive, claiming "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder."8

In a critical review and now classic article published in the March 1994 issue of the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia (JMAG), Dr. Edgar Suter, Chairman of Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research (DIPR), found evidence of "methodologic and conceptual errors," such as prejudicially truncated data and the listing of "the correct methodology which was described but never used by the authors."5

Moreover, the gun control researchers failed to consider and underestimated the protective benefits of guns.

Dr. Suter writes: "The true measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives and medical costs saved, the injuries prevented, and the property protected ‹ not the burglar or rapist body count.

Since only 0.1 - 0.2 percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, any study, such as this, that counts criminal deaths as the only measure of the protective benefits of guns will expectedly underestimate the benefits of firearms by a factor of 500 to 1,000."5

In 1993, in his landmark and much cited NEJM article (and the research, again, heavily funded by the CDC), Dr. Kellermann attempted to show again that guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than to the assailants.4 Despite valid criticisms by reputable scholars of his previous works (including the 1986 study), Dr. Kellermann ignored the criticisms and again used the same methodology.

He also used study populations with disproportionately high rates of serious psychosocial dysfunction from three selected state counties, known to be unrepresentative of the general U.S. population.

For example,

53 percent of the case subjects had a history of a household member being arrested,

31 percent had a household history of illicit drug use, 32 percent had a household member hit or hurt in a family fight, and

17 percent had a family member hurt so seriously in a domestic altercation that prompt medical attention was required.
Moreover, both the case studies and control groups in this analysis had a very high incidence of financial instability.

In fact, in this study, gun ownership, the supposedly high risk factor for homicide was not one of the most strongly associated factors for being murdered.

Drinking, illicit drugs, living alone, history of family violence, living in a rented home were all greater individual risk factors for being murdered than a gun in the home. One must conclude there is no basis to apply the conclusions of this study to the general population.

All of these are factors that, as Dr. Suter pointed out, "would expectedly be associated with higher rates of violence and homicide."5

It goes without saying, the results of such a study on gun homicides, selecting this sort of unrepresentative population sample, nullify the authors' generalizations, and their preordained, conclusions can not be extrapolated to the general population.

Moreover, although the 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study purported to show that the homicide victims were killed with a gun ordinarily kept in the home, the fact is that as Kates and associates point out 71.1 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who did not live in the victims¹ household using guns presumably not kept in that home.6

 

[MikeK]

[...]

I don't hate guns. I hate the idea of a sea of untrained idiots running around with loaded guns.

Which is why I advocate competence testing and an associated training requirement for all gun owners -- much to the dismay of many pro-gunners who believe there should be no constraints on gun ownership.

 

[MikeK]

[...]

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

[...]

Pulling on a heavy trigger causes distinct involuntary movement of the hand's muscles sufficiently to produce lateral movement of the handgun away from intended point of aim -- even at close range. This can cause a shooter, especially one who is under stress, to miss his/her target and strike an unintended person or object. But none of the anti-gun fanatics who dream up these stupid ideas know anything about guns except that they are afraid of them.

 

[ph3iron]

Book Burners burned books simply because they didn't like the books.....gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the gun world......they hate guns and will do anything they can to attack gun owners and their tools......

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

NY Democrats Introduce Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight Bill - The Truth About Guns

300000000 , 30000 deaths and 100000 rapes isn't enough.
What do we expect a nation founded by convicts and religious nuts

 

[2aguy]

[...]

I don't hate guns. I hate the idea of a sea of untrained idiots running around with loaded guns.

Which is why I advocate competence testing and an associated training requirement for all gun owners -- much to the dismay of many pro-gunners who believe there should be no constraints on gun ownership.

Because you don't care that any training requirement will be used to keep people from owning and carrying guns. That is what they do in Europe, which is why only the rich own hunting shotguns.......in the past these were known as Literacy Tests...and they were used by democrats to keep blacks from voting....now, democrats want to use the same kind of Literacy Test to keep Americans from using the 2nd Amendment Right to keep and bear arms....

There are constrainsts...you can't be a felon, you can't have been adjudicated mentally ill......and guns are not complicated tools.....and that is why as we went from 200 million guns to 400 million, and we now have over 15 million people actually carrying guns for self defense, our accidental gun death rate and our non fatal gun accident rate have both gone down, not up....

 

[2aguy]

[...]

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

[...]

Pulling on a heavy trigger causes distinct involuntary movement of the hand's muscles sufficiently to produce lateral movement of the handgun away from intended point of aim -- even at close range. This can cause a shooter, especially one who is under stress, to miss his/her target and strike an unintended person or object. But none of the anti-gun fanatics who dream up these stupid ideas know anything about guns except that they are afraid of them.

They know......they don't care. They want you to miss and hit an innocent...it gives them more power to ban guns.

 

[2aguy]

Book Burners burned books simply because they didn't like the books.....gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the gun world......they hate guns and will do anything they can to attack gun owners and their tools......

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

NY Democrats Introduce Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight Bill - The Truth About Guns

300000000 , 30000 deaths and 100000 rapes isn't enough.
What do we expect a nation founded by convicts and religious nuts

A country that ended slavery, that freed more people around the world than any other country ever created and country that did that with less abuse of it's power than any other country known....

 

[2aguy]

[...]

I don't hate guns. I hate the idea of a sea of untrained idiots running around with loaded guns.

Which is why I advocate competence testing and an associated training requirement for all gun owners -- much to the dismay of many pro-gunners who believe there should be no constraints on gun ownership.

This is why you are wrong...

Getting a gun legally in Europe may be hard, but terrorists have little trouble

In contrast with the free-firing United States, Europe is generally seen as a haven from serious gun violence. Here in Denmark, handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned. Hunting rifles are legally available only to those with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.

“There’s a book about 1,000 pages thick,” said Tonni Rigby, one of only two licensed firearms dealers in Copenhagen. “You have to know all of it.”

Under your plan we would have a society where only the rich, powerful, the criminals and the cops have guns.......

 

[MaryL]

Book Burners burned books simply because they didn't like the books.....gun grabbers are the Book Burners of the gun world......they hate guns and will do anything they can to attack gun owners and their tools......

Here we have New York, at it again with another worthless gun control effort.....mandating trigger pull weight...to make guns less accurate when you need them for self defense...

NY Democrats Introduce Mandatory Trigger Pull Weight Bill - The Truth About Guns

I voted for the republicans last November. I am totally for gun control. After the abuses that lead to slaughter of 20 children in an elementary school we need to step back from the abyss and think this thru a little more. Those poor kids, are we supposed to arm preschoolers? Silly, It speaks more to the issue WE NEED gun control. As a Conservative Trump voter, I am GOOD with that.