GUNS again!

[TemplarKormac]

If the current background checks are so effective...as you claim...why are there still shootings in the US...hmmmm???

Beeecause there are guns on the black market that criminals buy and use without having background checks? You can't catch them all, you know. No amount of laws will ever change that. Criminals don't obey laws, that's why they're criminals.

Are you this stupid on purpose?

How do these weapons get on the black market?

I know you're smarter than that, Steele. They can get there through straw purchasing, or they can get there via sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. We also have unlicensed street dealers. Then there is theft. And that's how they get into the black market. Don't make me explain myself again. Do some damned research.

You really must learn to educate yourself.

 

[idb]

Beeecause there are guns on the black market that criminals buy and use without having background checks? You can't catch them all, you know. No amount of laws will ever change that. Criminals don't obey laws, that's why they're criminals.

Are you this stupid on purpose?

How do these weapons get on the black market?

Ever heard of a word called stealing?

But...there are laws against stealing.
If they aren't 100% effective, what's the point of having the laws?

 

[idb]

When you have 0 guns deaths you can say how good your laws are, until then they are just a failure.

If the current background checks are so effective...as you claim...why are there still shootings in the US...hmmmm???

Your last response was so fucking go I think it's the cure all for any question and will remain as my response too you forever.
Fantastic!
Your logic is truly impervious to challenge idb

Pretty much the answer I expected.
You never disappoint bigrednec.

 

[Steelplate]

Beeecause there are guns on the black market that criminals buy and use without having background checks? You can't catch them all, you know. No amount of laws will ever change that. Criminals don't obey laws, that's why they're criminals.

Are you this stupid on purpose?

How do these weapons get on the black market?

I know you're smarter than that, Steele. They can get there through straw purchasing, or they can get there via sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. We also have unlicensed street dealers. Then there is theft. And that's how they get into the black market. Don't make me explain myself again. Do some damned research.

You really must learn to educate yourself.

Private sales too.

 

[tubig]

Most arguments have some semblance of reason to them, but the reality remains that America has a severe gun problem. I would never support the notion of disarming the public, but the pendulum is too far in the other direction, IMO.

No, America does NOT have a "Gun Problem".

America has a Crime Problem. Criminals use all kinds of weapons, including cars, trucks, SUVs, motorcycles, chains, rope, guns, knives, baseball bars, tire irons, pipes, chisels, pieces of wood, and even their hands to hurt other people with.

IMO to ignore the effects of technology and manufactures in society is unreasonable. It goes against sense and reason. The tired old NRA meme that guns don't kill is aimed at simple minds and totally ignores reality. You might as well remove alcohol from the DWI question for the same reason, that drunk drivers don't cause accidents people cause accidents.

 

[Sunshine]

Round Two for Gun Control May Take a ?Next Newtown? - NationalJournal.com

A week after gun legislation suffered a stinging defeat in the Senate, an uncomfortable realization has settled over the Capitol that it will likely take another mass shooting or similar tragedy to reignite momentum for gun control.

To even think that is disgusting.......no wonder people think liberals are full of shit.

Now, at least, Democrats and their allies have a package of gun-control measures—led by the Manchin-Toomey proposal—ready to be enacted practically immediately. Reid can bring the failed background-checks effort back to the floor at almost any time.


yep always get people when they're weak....liberals are such predators....nowonder they let pedophiles out of jail.

When guns cause a death, the government wants to get rid of all the guns. But when muslims cause a death, the government doesn't suggest getting rid of all the muslims. Just sayin.

 

[tubig]

Most arguments have some semblance of reason to them, but the reality remains that America has a severe gun problem. I would never support the notion of disarming the public, but the pendulum is too far in the other direction, IMO.

No, America does not have a severe gun problem. The problem is societal decay.

I would suggest that according to historians the gun problem has been in place since frontier days. If the gun problem exists as part of the decay, it also exists independent of the decay. Let me be more precise and refer to the gun problem as the handgun problem.

 

[tubig]

Question;

If you don't like guns, why not fight for a constitutional amendment? This would kill this issue for good.

Arguing that everyone who agrees with gun control hates guns and is against gun ownership is illogical and extremist. It is the equivalent of saying that if I agree with traffic laws and speed limits I must hate cars and drivers.

 

[tubig]

You can have another mass shooting, larger than Sandy Hook, and still nothing will be done, because the gun nuts don't give a shit about innocent people being shot to death.

BS. Mass shootings aren't the problem. You know it but you refuse to do anything about it. Why do you Leftytoons want people to die for the sake of politicization?

You're right. It's not the mass shootings that are the problem....it's the thousands that die every year in our inner cities that no one gives a shit about...but mass shootings get the press.

Well said.

 

[tubig]

When you have 0 guns deaths you can say how good your laws are, until then they are just a failure.

IMO bigreb's argument is extremist and self defeating. It is the equivalent of arguing that all laws are a failure until there is no crime.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

IMO bigreb's argument is extremist and self defeating. It is the equivalent of arguing that until there is no crime, laws are a failure.

blow it out your ass shit stain.

 

[Steelplate]

Round Two for Gun Control May Take a ?Next Newtown? - NationalJournal.com

A week after gun legislation suffered a stinging defeat in the Senate, an uncomfortable realization has settled over the Capitol that it will likely take another mass shooting or similar tragedy to reignite momentum for gun control.

To even think that is disgusting.......no wonder people think liberals are full of shit.

Now, at least, Democrats and their allies have a package of gun-control measures—led by the Manchin-Toomey proposal—ready to be enacted practically immediately. Reid can bring the failed background-checks effort back to the floor at almost any time.


yep always get people when they're weak....liberals are such predators....nowonder they let pedophiles out of jail.

When guns cause a death, the government wants to get rid of all the guns. But when muslims cause a death, the government doesn't suggest getting rid of all the muslims. Just sayin.

Perhaps that's because all Muslims aren't terrorists, just like all gun OWNERS aren't psychopathic killers or hardened, violent criminals....

And for the vast majority of us "liberals", we don't want to get rid of guns.

That would be like saying all Conservatives want to get rid of the Civil Rights Act of 1964....some do....but most don't.

I will never give up my guns without a fight...however, if the day ever comes that some totalitarian entity takes over our country and goes door to door rounding up weapons.... it isn't going to matter one bit whether a background check was done or they are registered or not....they'll still come knocking regardless. The end result will be the same, if course... but thinking that a lack of checks and registration is going to save you, you're an idiot.

Hell...if the government wanted to....they could lurk on this very message board use their technology to get our IP addresses, cross match that with our ISP's and know exactly what they need to for the confiscation of our weapons.

They don't need us to register them for that....But checks and registration could very well help in sorting legal weapons from illegal ones.

Bigreb and others in here bemoaning checks and registration because of the idea that it will lead to confiscation are fooling themselves.... if they really wanted them, they'd have them....one way or another.

But then again....I'm not frightened of my government, I'm not under the delusion that Obama is gearing up for some kind of dictatorship and is turning America into Amerika.

I guess that comes from not listening to extreme positions on either side. I believe our country and Nation is strong enough in our convictions to handle some Socialism to temper the "winner take all/loser get none" nature of Capitalism.

In fact, I think that's the key to our success... but that's another thread.

 

[idb]

IMO bigreb's argument is extremist and self defeating. It is the equivalent of arguing that until there is no crime, laws are a failure.

blow it out your ass shit stain.

Don't worry tubig, it means he likes you.

It's when he starts humping your leg that you really have to worry.

 

[peach174]

We haven't had a single mass shooting since 1996, our homicide rates and suicide rates by firearm have dropped dramatically. Yes, gun control works.

I didn't ask you about your mass shootings I could care less about them because one murder by gun in a country that has strict gun control is just as bad as any mass shooting.
One dead is just as bad as 20 or 30 dead in a no gun allowed country.

Our homicide rates (using a gun) have dropped, as have suicide rates by firearm. Keep claiming that isn't true all you like, but it is.

Yes but your robbery, assault and unlawful entry has gone up by a lot.
AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

 

[bigrebnc1775]

IMO bigreb's argument is extremist and self defeating. It is the equivalent of arguing that until there is no crime, laws are a failure.

blow it out your ass shit stain.

Don't worry tubig, it means he likes you.

It's when he starts humping your leg that you really have to worry.

Did that ram chase you away from the sheep again?

 

[idb]

blow it out your ass shit stain.

Don't worry tubig, it means he likes you.

It's when he starts humping your leg that you really have to worry.

Did that ram chase you away from the sheep again?

There're plenty of sheep for all...you should come over!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Don't worry tubig, it means he likes you.

It's when he starts humping your leg that you really have to worry.

Did that ram chase you away from the sheep again?

There're plenty of sheep for all...you should come over!

Knock yourself out

 

[tubig]

Why do you Leftytoons want people to die for the sake of politicization?

I am willing to accept that the above is not a deliberate misrepresentation, but it is a misrepresentation. It is those who insist on resisting all gun control who can be "rightfully" blamed (pun intended) for people dying. People who speak for better gun control do not have an agenda for people dying, but to prevent people dying. Those who insist otherwise are theorizing that fewer guns will = more killings, a proposition for which there is no evidence and less logic.

 

[tubig]

IMO bigreb's argument is extremist and self defeating. It is the equivalent of arguing that until there is no crime, laws are a failure.

blow it out your ass shit stain.

Sounds like logic embarrasses this poster.

 

[Steelplate]

Why do you Leftytoons want people to die for the sake of politicization?

I am willing to accept that the above is not a deliberate misrepresentation, but it is a misrepresentation. It is those who insist on resisting all gun control who can be "rightfully" blamed (pun intended) for people dying. People who speak for better gun control do not have an agenda for people dying, but to prevent people dying. Those who insist otherwise are theorizing that fewer guns will = more killings, a proposition for which there is no evidence and less logic.

Logic and reason....thank you.