Guns are not the problem in Chicago..the judges and prosecutors are...

[danielpalos]

Naw,man, the fallacy is thinking you can fight the government.

Yes...tell that to the guys with the rifles and improvised bombs in Iraq and afghanistan....fighting off the most powerful country in the world.....and getting the coward President, obama, to turn tail and run...

Joey has failed to learn from history, like most leftists. I suspect most leftists know nothing of history.

The number of effective rebellions throughout history, in which the weaker combatant won, is rather lengthy.

Hey Joey...ever heard of the Vietnam War? How about the American Revolution?

All I hear from the right wing, is how nothing is really that important and we need to lower taxes.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I bet if you opened a public funding site you'd get enough money to move you whining ass to Germany

Yeah, I just don't want to learn 8 different ways to use the Definite Article... so there's that.

Again, man, for someone who supposedly makes money without trying, you spend an awful lot of time worrying about others.

Believe you me I don't worry about you one whit.

and I thought you said I was selfish and only worried about myself?

Which is it?

 

[gipper]

Merely proving you have failed to learn from history.

No, I just haven't learned the idiotic lesson you did.

I'd rather be a German in 2017 than a Vietnamese or an Iraqi.

"but, but, but... we won".

Okay, awesome, you resisted long enough to where the greater power got tired of killing you and left.

What did you win again?

As usual, you are wrong.

Throughout all of human history, there are hundreds if not thousands of examples of the weaker force prevailing.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Merely proving you have failed to learn from history.

No, I just haven't learned the idiotic lesson you did.

I'd rather be a German in 2017 than a Vietnamese or an Iraqi.

"but, but, but... we won".

Okay, awesome, you resisted long enough to where the greater power got tired of killing you and left.

What did you win again?

As usual, you are wrong.

Throughout all of human history, there are hundreds if not thousands of examples of the weaker force prevailing.

And that weaker force will not win by overpowering that stronger force but rather by making it too costly to continue just like the Afghans did with the Soviet Union and will do with us

 

[gipper]

Merely proving you have failed to learn from history.

No, I just haven't learned the idiotic lesson you did.

I'd rather be a German in 2017 than a Vietnamese or an Iraqi.

"but, but, but... we won".

Okay, awesome, you resisted long enough to where the greater power got tired of killing you and left.

What did you win again?

As usual, you are wrong.

Throughout all of human history, there are hundreds if not thousands of examples of the weaker force prevailing.

And that weaker force will not win by overpowering that stronger force but rather by making it too costly to continue just like the Afghans did with the Soviet Union and will do with us

Joey hasn't figured that out. He's slow.

 

[2aguy]

In the Castile case the cop overreacted, but Castile made a move to his pocket. While I'm not happy the cop got acquitted, I at least hope he will get his ass fired for breaking departmental rules.

The cop said he made a move for his pocket. Castille's last words was "I wasn't reaching". ergo, the problem of a racist system that ignores the rights of minorities. If Castille had been white, you'd see the Lib-retard-ians and National Rampage Association throwing a fit.

And you heard the cop repeat to him......stop reaching ...and he didn't......

 

[JoeB131]

Believe you me I don't worry about you one whit.

and I thought you said I was selfish and only worried about myself?

Which is it?

I'm not sure... your obsession seems a bit weird to me, but I have a whole bunch of stalkers here and you are just going to have to wait your turn.

 

[JoeB131]

And you heard the cop repeat to him......stop reaching ...and he didn't......

Right. Because them Darkies don't have them no Second Amendment Rights. Those are for White people.

Simple solution. Nobody gets to own a gun. Cops won't have to worry what people are reaching for.

Problem solved.

 

[Slyhunter]

Everybody should have a gun. Then the criminals have to worry about which victim will fight back.

 

[JoeB131]

As usual, you are wrong.

Throughout all of human history, there are hundreds if not thousands of examples of the weaker force prevailing.

No, there really aren't.

The best two you gave were kind of weak.

And that weaker force will not win by overpowering that stronger force but rather by making it too costly to continue just like the Afghans did with the Soviet Union and will do with us

Okay, dummy, here's the thing.

It's not too costly to continue in Afghanistan. It's just pointless.

We're 16 years into this thing, and we are no closer to having a stable government there than we were in 2001.

So it's not that the Afghans are beating us with their guns... if we wanted to, we could glass the place and be done with it.

What we can't do is get them to embrace western style democracy. It's an alien concept to them. But my guess is, Trump will continue the war in Afghanistan for no other reason that he doesn't want it said he lost Afghanistan.

 

[2aguy]

And you heard the cop repeat to him......stop reaching ...and he didn't......

Right. Because them Darkies don't have them no Second Amendment Rights. Those are for White people.

Simple solution. Nobody gets to own a gun. Cops won't have to worry what people are reaching for.

Problem solved.

Yes.....the socialists love that solution....mass graves were filled by people who believed what you believe....

 

[2aguy]

And you heard the cop repeat to him......stop reaching ...and he didn't......

Right. Because them Darkies don't have them no Second Amendment Rights. Those are for White people.

Simple solution. Nobody gets to own a gun. Cops won't have to worry what people are reaching for.

Problem solved.

No.....criminals will still have the guns...just like in Britain, Australia, and Europe....and even Japan, where the Yakuza still gets guns when they want or need them...

 

[danielpalos]

Better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia, is Always the answer.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes.....the socialists love that solution....mass graves were filled by people who believed what you believe....

Uh, guy mass graves were filled because too many fucking people had guns....

Who did you think was pulling those triggers?

Guys with anger issues... just like you.

No.....criminals will still have the guns...just like in Britain, Australia, and Europe....and even Japan, where the Yakuza still gets guns when they want or need them...

Japan has 11 Gun homicides a year compared to our 11,000. I'd take that any day of the week.

 

[2aguy]

Yes.....the socialists love that solution....mass graves were filled by people who believed what you believe....

Uh, guy mass graves were filled because too many fucking people had guns....

Who did you think was pulling those triggers?

Guys with anger issues... just like you.

No.....criminals will still have the guns...just like in Britain, Australia, and Europe....and even Japan, where the Yakuza still gets guns when they want or need them...

Japan has 11 Gun homicides a year compared to our 11,000. I'd take that any day of the week.

No...mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing only happen to people who don't have guns.......the socialist governments had all the guns....the people in the mass graves didn't have guns.....

Mexico......only the government and the drug cartels have guns......they are murdering 10s of thousands of people every year, unarmed people, and they are killing so many they are now incinderating the bodies....


Japan has a low crime rate for all crimes, not just gun crimes....it is as close to a police state as you can get......that is how they control crime...and the Japanese people are sheep.....they bow down to the central authority in a way no American ever would......and they also murdered over 3 million innocent, unarmed people during WW2.....

 

[JoeB131]

No...mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing only happen to people who don't have guns.......the socialist governments had all the guns....the people in the mass graves didn't have guns.....

They had plenty of guns. They lost a gun fight. And then they ended up in the mass graves.

Or didn't you hear about the Russian Civil War or the Chinese Civil War.

 

[2aguy]

No...mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing only happen to people who don't have guns.......the socialist governments had all the guns....the people in the mass graves didn't have guns.....

They had plenty of guns. They lost a gun fight. And then they ended up in the mass graves.

Or didn't you hear about the Russian Civil War or the Chinese Civil War.

The unarmed civilians didn't have guns.......they were the ones murdered and put in mass graves...dittos the Germans .......

 

[JoeB131]

Japan has a low crime rate for all crimes, not just gun crimes....it is as close to a police state as you can get......that is how they control crime...and the Japanese people are sheep.....they bow down to the central authority in a way no American ever would......and they also murdered over 3 million innocent, unarmed people during WW2.....

Okay a couple things on your slander of the fine Japanese people.

First, they lock up only 67,000 of their citizens, we lock up 2 million of ours with another 7 million on probation or parole.

While in Japan, it is considered a great scandal when a policeman even pulls his weapon out of the holster, American cops kill 1200 citizens every year.

Oh, yeah, and while Japan only has 184 Police Officers per 100,000 people, the US has 284 per 100,000 people.

So, um which country is a police state again?

It would seem based on the above, I would be more worried about the police in America than Japan.

 

[JoeB131]

The unarmed civilians didn't have guns.......they were the ones murdered and put in mass graves...dittos the Germans ......

Actually, gun ownership in Nazi Germany was pretty common. IN fact, the Nazis weakened the Weimar gun laws.

Gun control came to Germany when the Allies defeated them and confiscated all the weapons.

Germany, by the way, has one of the more liberal gun laws in the world. They just don't have an NRA shoving tons of ordnance into the hands of crazy people.

 

[2aguy]

Japan has a low crime rate for all crimes, not just gun crimes....it is as close to a police state as you can get......that is how they control crime...and the Japanese people are sheep.....they bow down to the central authority in a way no American ever would......and they also murdered over 3 million innocent, unarmed people during WW2.....

Okay a couple things on your slander of the fine Japanese people.

First, they lock up only 67,000 of their citizens, we lock up 2 million of ours with another 7 million on probation or parole.

While in Japan, it is considered a great scandal when a policeman even pulls his weapon out of the holster, American cops kill 1200 citizens every year.

Oh, yeah, and while Japan only has 184 Police Officers per 100,000 people, the US has 284 per 100,000 people.

So, um which country is a police state again?

It would seem based on the above, I would be more worried about the police in America than Japan.

Moron....Japan....you have very few, if any rights, once you are taken into custody....

Japan: Gun Control and People Control



Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."