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Hacking the vote: computer voting is easily tampered with
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Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
Quote: Originally Posted by Immanuel
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
You can not and refuse to even try to document your claims that the dems do it too because no such evindence exsist.
I gave you all court documented cold hard facts to proove the republican party wants to keep black people from voting to win elections (out of their own mouths).
You have repetedly called me a liar for doing so.
Now when the burden of proof lies in your lap you just spew bullshit?
I called you a liar because you are a liar.
Your "evidence" has been properly defeated, yet you continue to claim that unproven allegations are fact.What unproven allegations? immy as a citizen I am perfectly within mhy rights to acess the evidence in this cazse and determine they are guilty of breaking the law. You see that is completetly separate from me making the mistake where I thought (from the definition I read adn posted) that they had to admitt guilt in the case. I was wrong and was proven wrong by the court document. As soon as I saw this I admitted my mistake. That being done I can still view them as guitly of these crime by weight of the evidence. Not just once or twice but dozens of times after admitting to your mistake even. That is why you have proven yourself a liar. That and the fact that you have attempted to change my words.Then tell me what you meant when you asked if I thought the dems didnt do these things? Tell me how you get from a court document that the dems were encouraged to fiule false suits?
I suspect that if you wanted to you could find dozens more accusations against the RNC. I also suspect that the RNC would be guilty of many of those accusations. The problem is until they are found guilty by a court, they are considered innocent. They are scummy, but so is the DNC.The court determined they broke a consent decree , that is a finding of guilt. Now the dems have done scummy things Im sure but the court record prooves the Rs have systematically worked to disenfranchise perfectly legal voters, go get your proof the dems are as bad.
And I suspect that if I wanted to take the time to prove to a moron that the DNC was not saintly, that I could do so. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN TAKING THAT MUCH TIME TO DO SO BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WORD PROOF MEANS. However, my problem would be the same as yours. I would have to rely on telling lies to state that they are guilty of crimes, because there has been no court findings that I know of.
I can suspect that the RNC is guilty of the allegations involved in this discussion. I'd even be willing to bet that they are. What I am not willing to do is convict them based on allegations that have not been proven in a court of law. When you get a court to find guilt then I'll be happy to see those convicted resting behind bars. Not until.
You have refused to answer my question and it was a simple question.
Do you know what Innocent Until Proven Guilty means? Now, since you have ignored it for so long, I'm going to make it even more difficult for you. Explain what it means.I already did a couplke of times, its a term for the courts and not for the layman, It is not a lie for me to say I think the poponderance of the evidence prooves the RNC guilty.
BTW the court alos desided that they were guilty of breaking the consent decree and I showed that in the c.ourt records
The burden of proof only lies in my lap if I care to prove it. I don't. It is not a relevant fact in this discussion.
It is not relevant to you that you claim the DNC has done the same as the republicans and refuse to do the homework to try and proove your claim?
Posts like these are almost impossible to answer well, so I will do my best to pull out the bullshit and give you an answer.
Quote:
What unproven allegations?
None of the allegations presented in the Consent Decree were ever proven. Let me remind you:
Quote:
making the mistake where I thought (from the definition I read adn posted) that they had to admitt guilt in the case. I was wrong and was proven wrong by the court document
There was no admission of guilt NOR finding of guilt!
Quote:
Then tell me what you meant when you asked if I thought the dems didnt do these things?
It seemed like my question was pretty simple to me. I'm not sure where you are having a problem with it.
Let me try again: Do you think that Democrats do not attempt to influence elections in ways that decent people would think are unscrupulous? By such methods I mean (not an all inclusive list by any means) things like filing fraudulent voters registration cards to bog down the system, dead men voting, intimidation at polling places etc. etc. etc.
Quote:
The court determined they broke a consent decree
That is another lie. The court stated that they would not modify the decree in favor of the Republicans because of the intervenor lawsuits that had been filed. The court did not find that the decree had been broken rather since the democrats had been out fishing for willing cohorts to file frivolous lawsuits i.e. Malone in the link you provided earlier that they decided to continue to enforce the decree in a one-sided manner. That would be surprising to me if it was not the District Court of New Jersey or had it been California's court.
Quote:
Now the dems have done scummy things Im sure
Maybe there is hope for you yet.
Quote:
but the court record prooves the Rs have systematically worked to disenfranchise perfectly legal voters
Wrong again. The court record doesn't even try to prove such.
Quote:
go get your proof the dems are as bad.
I don't think I said "as" bad although I believe they are.
You even admitted that the dems were scummy too.
Quote:
Now the dems have done scummy things Im sure
Are you calling yourself a liar now?
In re "innocent until proven guilty":
Quote:
I already did a couplke of times, its a term for the courts and not for the layman, It is not a lie for me to say I think the poponderance of the evidence prooves the RNC guilty.
That is not an answer and no it is not a term for the courts. It is a term we as Americans are told we live by. Jurors are told when they go into a trial that the defendant is "innocent until proven guilty" and in legal matters it is not a preponderance of the evidence it is BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT.
I'll ask it again, Do you know what Innocent until proven guilty means?
Do you realize that your above answer shows you are unamerican.
Quote:
BTW the court alos desided that they were guilty of breaking the consent decree and I showed that in the c.ourt records
No, the courts ruled that because of intervenor lawsuits they would not release the RNC from the decree. It does not say that they broke the decree.
Quote:
It is not relevant to you that you claim the DNC has done the same as the republicans and refuse to do the homework to try and proove your claim?
Proving the claim is not important to me. Spending hours upon hours trying to convince you that you sound like a moron is... well, quite simply not necessary. You have done a damned good job of it throughout this entire thread.
Immie
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Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
Quote: Originally Posted by Immanuel
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
You can not and refuse to even try to document your claims that the dems do it too because no such evindence exsist.
I gave you all court documented cold hard facts to proove the republican party wants to keep black people from voting to win elections (out of their own mouths).
You have repetedly called me a liar for doing so.
Now when the burden of proof lies in your lap you just spew bullshit?
I called you a liar because you are a liar.
Your "evidence" has been properly defeated, yet you continue to claim that unproven allegations are fact.What unproven allegations? immy as a citizen I am perfectly within mhy rights to acess the evidence in this cazse and determine they are guilty of breaking the law. You see that is completetly separate from me making the mistake where I thought (from the definition I read adn posted) that they had to admitt guilt in the case. I was wrong and was proven wrong by the court document. As soon as I saw this I admitted my mistake. That being done I can still view them as guitly of these crime by weight of the evidence. Not just once or twice but dozens of times after admitting to your mistake even. That is why you have proven yourself a liar. That and the fact that you have attempted to change my words.Then tell me what you meant when you asked if I thought the dems didnt do these things? Tell me how you get from a court document that the dems were encouraged to fiule false suits?
I suspect that if you wanted to you could find dozens more accusations against the RNC. I also suspect that the RNC would be guilty of many of those accusations. The problem is until they are found guilty by a court, they are considered innocent. They are scummy, but so is the DNC.The court determined they broke a consent decree , that is a finding of guilt. Now the dems have done scummy things Im sure but the court record prooves the Rs have systematically worked to disenfranchise perfectly legal voters, go get your proof the dems are as bad.
And I suspect that if I wanted to take the time to prove to a moron that the DNC was not saintly, that I could do so. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN TAKING THAT MUCH TIME TO DO SO BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WORD PROOF MEANS. However, my problem would be the same as yours. I would have to rely on telling lies to state that they are guilty of crimes, because there has been no court findings that I know of.
I can suspect that the RNC is guilty of the allegations involved in this discussion. I'd even be willing to bet that they are. What I am not willing to do is convict them based on allegations that have not been proven in a court of law. When you get a court to find guilt then I'll be happy to see those convicted resting behind bars. Not until.
You have refused to answer my question and it was a simple question.
Do you know what Innocent Until Proven Guilty means? Now, since you have ignored it for so long, I'm going to make it even more difficult for you. Explain what it means.I already did a couplke of times, its a term for the courts and not for the layman, It is not a lie for me to say I think the poponderance of the evidence prooves the RNC guilty.
BTW the court alos desided that they were guilty of breaking the consent decree and I showed that in the c.ourt records
The burden of proof only lies in my lap if I care to prove it. I don't. It is not a relevant fact in this discussion.
It is not relevant to you that you claim the DNC has done the same as the republicans and refuse to do the homework to try and proove your claim?
Posts like these are almost impossible to answer well, so I will do my best to pull out the bullshit and give you an answer.
Quote:
What unproven allegations?
None of the allegations presented in the Consent Decree were ever proven. Let me remind you:
Quote:
making the mistake where I thought (from the definition I read adn posted) that they had to admitt guilt in the case. I was wrong and was proven wrong by the court document
There was no admission of guilt NOR finding of guilt!
Quote:
Then tell me what you meant when you asked if I thought the dems didnt do these things?
It seemed like my question was pretty simple to me. I'm not sure where you are having a problem with it.
Let me try again: Do you think that Democrats do not attempt to influence elections in ways that decent people would think are unscrupulous? By such methods I mean (not an all inclusive list by any means) things like filing fraudulent voters registration cards to bog down the system, dead men voting, intimidation at polling places etc. etc. etc.
Quote:
The court determined they broke a consent decree
That is another lie. The court stated that they would not modify the decree in favor of the Republicans because of the intervenor lawsuits that had been filed. The court did not find that the decree had been broken rather since the democrats had been out fishing for willing cohorts to file frivolous lawsuits i.e. Malone in the link you provided earlier that they decided to continue to enforce the decree in a one-sided manner. That would be surprising to me if it was not the District Court of New Jersey or had it been California's court.
Quote:
Now the dems have done scummy things Im sure
Maybe there is hope for you yet.
Quote:
but the court record prooves the Rs have systematically worked to disenfranchise perfectly legal voters
Wrong again. The court record doesn't even try to prove such.
Quote:
go get your proof the dems are as bad.
I don't think I said "as" bad although I believe they are.
You even admitted that the dems were scummy too.
Quote:
Now the dems have done scummy things Im sure
Are you calling yourself a liar now?
In re "innocent until proven guilty":
Quote:
I already did a couplke of times, its a term for the courts and not for the layman, It is not a lie for me to say I think the poponderance of the evidence prooves the RNC guilty.
That is not an answer and no it is not a term for the courts. It is a term we as Americans are told we live by. Jurors are told when they go into a trial that the defendant is "innocent until proven guilty" and in legal matters it is not a preponderance of the evidence it is BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT.
I'll ask it again, Do you know what Innocent until proven guilty means?
Do you realize that your above answer shows you are unamerican.
Quote:
BTW the court alos desided that they were guilty of breaking the consent decree and I showed that in the c.ourt records
No, the courts ruled that because of intervenor lawsuits they would not release the RNC from the decree. It does not say that they broke the decree.
Quote:
It is not relevant to you that you claim the DNC has done the same as the republicans and refuse to do the homework to try and proove your claim?
Proving the claim is not important to me. Spending hours upon hours trying to convince you that you sound like a moron is... well, quite simply not necessary. You have done a damned good job of it throughout this entire thread.
Immie
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How does that prove this court documentation of republican cheating doesnt exsist?
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Holy shit, TM!!! Some evil nasty Republican must have hacked your "computor".
That link goes to this post
For you and you alone, but you're still going to continue to ignore the fact that I told you the post number (#382) aren't you? Well, here it is one more time, read post #382.
READ POST #382!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know how much more plainly I can say it.
Rick
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The courts have repetedly ordered the republicans to CEASE voter purges under this consent decree.
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The courts have repetedly ordered the republicans to CEASE voter purges under this consent decree.
And that has exactly what to do with voting machines, and possible hacking??
Be specific.
How does that prove this court documentation of republican cheating doesnt exsist?
There is no way you read post #382 in the less than 2 minutes between your last post claiming ignorance of post #382 and this one. It is a long well thought out post and you have not read it or understood it. That much is obvious.
Rick
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Get your proof that this effects elections
I don't care if it effects an outcome.
I don't want an illegal to cancel out my vote.
Why do you hate America?
Dear idiot, getting your vote canceled by an illegal vote would effect and election.
Now prove it actually happens
I already showed you the story about the Mexican assassin who was registered to vote in California.
Now explain why you hate America.
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how does that post prove that the 30 years of the republicans being told to cease actions on voter purging doesnt exsist?
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I don't care if it effects an outcome.
I don't want an illegal to cancel out my vote.
Why do you hate America?
Dear idiot, getting your vote canceled by an illegal vote would effect and election.
Now prove it actually happens
I already showed you the story about the Mexican assassin who was registered to vote in California.
Now explain why you hate America.
Dems = Party > Country
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how does any of this crap prove that the decades long court intervention into republican tacitics to keep legal American voters from voting is not real?
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Why have our courts and judges had to inervine in the republican partys actions so that voters could be protected froim being disenfranchised?
Rozman
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So when action is taken to stop voter fraud
by getting picture ID's the left cries bloody murder...
Are you guys against voter fraud or not?....
by getting picture ID's the left cries bloody murder...
Are you guys against voter fraud or not?....
Toddsterpatriot
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So when action is taken to stop voter fraud
by getting picture ID's the left cries bloody murder...
Are you guys against voter fraud or not?....
Dems love voter fraud.
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why have the courts had to stop the republican party over adn over again to protect voters?
Toddsterpatriot
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Are you sad when illegals are prevented from voting?
Why do you hate America?
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Just curious, has anyone proven that specific votes were hacked and given to a particular Candidate? I see an awful lot of hysterics over this, but has anyone proven it has been done?
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Trajan
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heres the dealyo.
Right now its the right who does this type of cheating.
what the fuck happens when some party you dont like gets ahold of these companies?
to bad you didn't have to hang your hat ion in Fla. in 2000...
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why is your party suing itsself so the delegates dont have to vote for Robmoney?
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