Hamas: 'we Want An Islamic State'

[montelatici]

[/QUOTE]And then major arab settlers and squatters from the hood crowded into the country and decided to redistribute what wasn't theirs, of course.[/QUOTE]


Of course that would be a lie (or Jew propaganda) as can be confirmed from source documents:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine". - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

 

[Penelope]

So you admit Gaza and Ramallah is a hellhole.

They ain't arab for nothing, indeed.

I bet the rest of Israel is nice tho hey.

Indeed, proven so by the UN "peacekeepers", who ran from the isis to Israel.

why should they not have an Islamic state, the Jews want a Jewish state?

All the more reason for palistanians to paddle off to Syria, then, of course.

I read they get shot at if they go too far off the land to fish and how in the world would one paddle to Syria, wouldn't the smart ones go on foot?

 

[docmauser1]

And then major arab settlers and squatters from the hood crowded into the country and decided to redistribute what wasn't theirs, of course.[/QUOTE]Of course that would be a lie (or Jew propaganda) as can be confirmed from source documents:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.
The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine". - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921 [/QUOTE]So, how does all that explain how arabs all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

 

[RoccoR]

Penelope, et al,

This is a very good question.

I just read a whole bunch of them went to the temple mount under guards, but anyway, why should they not have an Islamic state, the Jews want a Jewish state?

(QUESTION)

• What does it mean to be an Islamic State?
• Is an Islamic State the same as an "Islamic al-Shura?"
• Is an Islamic State the same as an "Islamic Caliphate?"

(OBSERVATIONS)

An Islamic state ( ) is a type of government, in which the primary basis for government is Islamic religious law. From the early years of Islam, numerous governments have been founded as "Islamic", beginning most notably with the Caliphate established by Muhammad himself and including subsequent governments ruled under the direction of a caliph (meaning "successor" to the Islamic prophet Muhammad).
SOURCE: Babylon --- The world's best online dictionary.

The salient features of Islamic socio-politico-economic system are:

1. At political level (no oppression)
   
   • sovereignty (al-haakamiyya) belongs to Allah alone and for mankind is
   khilafat (vicegerency) (Yousuf : 40, Bani-Israel : 111, Al-Kahf : 26)
   • no legislation will be done repugnant to the Quran and the Sunnah. (An-
   Nisa : 59, Al Hujraat : 1)
   no authoritarianism, mutual consultation. (As-Shura : 38)
   • makes a clear distinction between muslims and non-muslims. (At-Tawbah
   : 29)
   • no theocracy. (At-Tawbah : 31)​
   At economic level (no exploitation)
   
   • Allah owns everything (al-malik). (3:180, 63:7)
   • Man is only a custodian. (57:7)
   • controlled capitalism minus interest & gambling. (2:275, 2: 279, 5:91)​
   At social level (no discrimination)
   
   • one creator (al-khaliq), everyone (by birth) is equal (4:1, 49:13)segregation of sexes. (24:31, 33:53, 33:59)
   • unity of the human race - common origin of mankind from Adam and Eve, hence total equality between black, white, Arab, non-Arab etc​
2. SOURCE: Islamic Concept of the State Sir Muhammad Zafrulla Khan Ahmadiyya Muslim Community 1995-2014​

1. ​

(COMMENT)

There are some 57 members (plus 3 observer states) in the Organization of Islamic Conference Member States (OIC). I am not sure that any of the OIC member nations follows the basic tenants of Islam either under Shira Law or the Concepts behind Islam. Most newly developed contemporary advocates of the Caliphate (Taliban, HAMAS, Islamic State, etc) are marred by significant violence (See HAMAS Link.).

I'm not sure that an Islamic State has a definition that anyone can really agree upon. They appear to be violent eruptions; that define their own parameters. Can the Palestinians have their own Islamic State? Yes, probably. It doesn't mean they should or that it would be beneficial to themselves, regionally, or globally.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Penelope]

Penelope, et al,

This is a very good question.

I just read a whole bunch of them went to the temple mount under guards, but anyway, why should they not have an Islamic state, the Jews want a Jewish state?

(QUESTION)

• What does it mean to be an Islamic State?
• Is an Islamic State the same as an "Islamic al-Shura?"
• Is an Islamic State the same as an "Islamic Caliphate?"

(OBSERVATIONS)

An Islamic state ( ) is a type of government, in which the primary basis for government is Islamic religious law. From the early years of Islam, numerous governments have been founded as "Islamic", beginning most notably with the Caliphate established by Muhammad himself and including subsequent governments ruled under the direction of a caliph (meaning "successor" to the Islamic prophet Muhammad).
SOURCE: Babylon --- The world's best online dictionary.

The salient features of Islamic socio-politico-economic system are:

1. At political level (no oppression)
   
   • sovereignty (al-haakamiyya) belongs to Allah alone and for mankind is
   khilafat (vicegerency) (Yousuf : 40, Bani-Israel : 111, Al-Kahf : 26)
   • no legislation will be done repugnant to the Quran and the Sunnah. (An-
   Nisa : 59, Al Hujraat : 1)
   no authoritarianism, mutual consultation. (As-Shura : 38)
   • makes a clear distinction between muslims and non-muslims. (At-Tawbah
   : 29)
   • no theocracy. (At-Tawbah : 31)​
   At economic level (no exploitation)
   
   • Allah owns everything (al-malik). (3:180, 63:7)
   • Man is only a custodian. (57:7)
   • controlled capitalism minus interest & gambling. (2:275, 2: 279, 5:91)​
   At social level (no discrimination)
   
   • one creator (al-khaliq), everyone (by birth) is equal (4:1, 49:13)segregation of sexes. (24:31, 33:53, 33:59)
   • unity of the human race - common origin of mankind from Adam and Eve, hence total equality between black, white, Arab, non-Arab etc​
2. SOURCE: Islamic Concept of the State Sir Muhammad Zafrulla Khan Ahmadiyya Muslim Community 1995-2014​

1. ​

(COMMENT)

There are some 57 members (plus 3 observer states) in the Organization of Islamic Conference Member States (OIC). I am not sure that any of the OIC member nations follows the basic tenants of Islam either under Shira Law or the Concepts behind Islam. Most newly developed contemporary advocates of the Caliphate (Taliban, HAMAS, Islamic State, etc) are marred by significant violence (See HAMAS Link.).

I'm not sure that an Islamic State has a definition that anyone can really agree upon. They appear to be violent eruptions; that define their own parameters. Can the Palestinians have their own Islamic State? Yes, probably. It doesn't mean they should or that it would be beneficial to themselves, regionally, or globally.

Most Respectfully,
R

under the definition of Hamas reads the following:

Hamas - a militant Islamic fundamentalist political movement that opposes peace with Israel and uses terrorism as a weapon; seeks to create an Islamic state in place of Israel; is opposed to the PLO and has become a leading perpetrator of terrorist activity in Israel; pioneered suicide bombing

I would guess the Palestinians and Hamas would be able to make the same claims against the Israel gov. and IDF.

I doubt Israel and the Pals can co exist, so they need to have their own state and Israel needs to get off their land that they have stole. The Pals can vote for whoever they want. I see Hamas as not different than the Minister of Defense and the Gov of Israel and the IDF. When people are suppressed and all rights taken away they usually do go for a strong military (just because Hamas member do not wear uniforms does not mean they are not military) just like IDF.

seeks to create an Islamic state in place of Israel;
All I have ever heard is they want their land back and the suppression lifted, not that they want an Islamic state in place of Israel, once again, Israel putting words in their mouth.

 

[High_Gravity]

Of course they want an Islamic state, anyone who thinks they want Thomas Jefferson style democracy is a damn fool.

 

[docmauser1]

So you admit Gaza and Ramallah is a hellhole.

They ain't arab for nothing, indeed.

I bet the rest of Israel is nice tho hey.

Indeed, proven so by the UN "peacekeepers", who ran from the isis to Israel.

why should they not have an Islamic state, the Jews want a Jewish state?

All the more reason for palistanians to paddle off to Syria, then, of course.

I read they get shot at if they go too far off the land to fish and how in the world would one paddle to Syria, wouldn't the smart ones go on foot?

Drivel.

 

[docmauser1]

seeks to create an Islamic state in place of Israel; All I have ever heard is they want their land back and the suppression lifted, not that they want an Islamic state in place of Israel, once again, Israel putting words in their mouth.

Baiting drivel.

 

[montelatici]

And then major arab settlers and squatters from the hood crowded into the country and decided to redistribute what wasn't theirs, of course.

Of course that would be a lie (or Jew propaganda) as can be confirmed from source documents:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.
The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine". - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921 [/QUOTE]So, how does all that explain how arabs all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?[/QUOTE]

Since your premise is false, it need not be explained. The facts are documented and available from the UN archives. All you do is make things up. By the way, did it ever occur to you that Saudis were not very wealthy back in the 20s.

The fact that non-Jews owned most of the land in Palestine prior to the partition is also recorded fact, not your bullshit. Owners were Muslims and Christians by the way. Christians owned far more land per capita than the Muslims: From the 1946 Survey of Palestine a report submitted to the UN by the British Mandatory:

 

[montelatici]

So, they want an Islamic state rather than a Jewish state. Is that surprising?

 

[Penelope]

Of course they want an Islamic state, anyone who thinks they want Thomas Jefferson style democracy is a damn fool.

I guess they are tired of Jewish rule.

 

[docmauser1]

And then major arab settlers and squatters from the hood crowded into the country and decided to redistribute what wasn't theirs, of course.

Of course that would be a lie (or Jew propaganda) as can be confirmed from source documents:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.
The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine". - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

So, how does all that explain how arabs all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?[/QUOTE]
Since your premise is false, it need not be explained. The facts are documented and available from the UN archives. All you do is make things up. By the way, did it ever occur to you that Saudis were not very wealthy back in the 20s.
The fact that non-Jews owned most of the land in Palestine prior to the partition is also recorded fact, not your bullshit. Owners were Muslims and Christians by the way. Christians owned far more land per capita than the Muslims: From the 1946 Survey of Palestine a report submitted to the UN by the British Mandatory:View attachment 32512[/QUOTE]So, how does all that explain how major arab settlers and squatters from the hood all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

 

[docmauser1]

So, they want an Islamic state rather than a Jewish state. Is that surprising?

Of course not! Those major arab settlers and squatters from the hood always wanted to redistribute jewish property.

 

[montelatici]

And then major arab settlers and squatters from the hood crowded into the country and decided to redistribute what wasn't theirs, of course.

Of course that would be a lie (or Jew propaganda) as can be confirmed from source documents:

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.
The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine". - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

So, how does all that explain how arabs all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

Since your premise is false, it need not be explained. The facts are documented and available from the UN archives. All you do is make things up. By the way, did it ever occur to you that Saudis were not very wealthy back in the 20s.
The fact that non-Jews owned most of the land in Palestine prior to the partition is also recorded fact, not your bullshit. Owners were Muslims and Christians by the way. Christians owned far more land per capita than the Muslims: From the 1946 Survey of Palestine a report submitted to the UN by the British Mandatory:View attachment 32512[/QUOTE]So, how does all that explain how major arab settlers and squatters from the hood all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?[/QUOTE]

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. You just look the fool that are.

Palestinians, not Saudi sheiks owned most of the land, as confirmed from official documents. No amount of your bullshitting will change that.

 

[docmauser1]

Palestinians, not Saudi sheiks owned most of the land, as confirmed from official documents. No amount of your bullshitting will change that.View attachment 32514 View attachment 32514

Yeah, right. "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill.
So, where're our settling-squatting sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

 

[toastman]

Hamas headband and toy gun on Temple Mount

what a cute pic, probably a little Jewish boy posing for a pic.

bit early for Halloween
Is that what you are going to dress your kids in?

There's a strong likelihood, that these children are dressed this way in order to show their extreme hatred for Israel after having been past witnesses to close relatives being blown to bloody pulps by an IDF operation against them in Gaza. It's called 'blowback' . . . and what else do you suppose does one expect to receive after having committed the possibility of this described atrocity and another such as the one called land theft?

Pro Palestinian idiots: always making excuses for Palestinian hatred.

Actually, these kids are full of hate because that's what they are taught from birth. Try and get that through your shitty little brain

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians, not Saudi sheiks owned most of the land, as confirmed from official documents. No amount of your bullshitting will change that.View attachment 32514 View attachment 32514

Yeah, right. "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill.
So, where're our settling-squatting sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

Official records confirm that Churchill was lying for political reasons. Labour wanted to stop unbridled Jewish immigration as they felt, presciently, that Jewish immigration would result in a catastrophe.

 

[montelatici]

So, they want an Islamic state rather than a Jewish state. Is that surprising?

Of course not! Those major arab settlers and squatters from the hood always wanted to redistribute jewish property.

90% of the Jewish property is stolen goods. What redistribution?

 

[docmauser1]

Palestinians, not Saudi sheiks owned most of the land, as confirmed from official documents. No amount of your bullshitting will change that.View attachment 32514 View attachment 32514

Yeah, right. "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill.
So, where're our settling-squatting sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

Official records confirm that Churchill was lying for political reasons. Labour wanted to stop unbridled Jewish immigration as they felt, presciently, that Jewish immigration would result in a catastrophe.

Did our honorable montelatici make that up?

 

[docmauser1]

So, they want an Islamic state rather than a Jewish state. Is that surprising?

Of course not! Those major arab settlers and squatters from the hood always wanted to redistribute jewish property.

90% of the Jewish property is stolen goods. What redistribution?

"90%" of camels, or donkies, no doubt. Those major arab settlers-squatters from the hood had to have some "goods" in the first place, of course.