Has the Left won the moral soul of America?

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?

I think it's probably true.

Yes, I think that the majority opinion and attitudes does matter in what a society's mores are.

The thing is, you guys have plenty of opporunity to argue your points on gay marriage or abortion, and largely, your arguments have been found wanting.

The majority of Americans think abortion is immoral dingleberry.

Do you want to take that back now?

They don't want it made illegal, however. I'm opposed to abortion, but support a woman's right to choose what to do with her body.

That's an an if then statement. Logic suggests by your
And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.

— Exodus 21

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)




wait what?????? want some new testament.....since, yannow...GODS morality seems to have shifted (ahem, absolute?) over time?

SURE!!

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)


Aw yes, the obligatory response to slavery. You're referring to the bondservants who were paid for their wages. They weren't forced into slavery. Still no contradiction.
 
It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?

I think it's probably true.

Yes, I think that the majority opinion and attitudes does matter in what a society's mores are.

The thing is, you guys have plenty of opporunity to argue your points on gay marriage or abortion, and largely, your arguments have been found wanting.

The majority of Americans think abortion is immoral dingleberry.

Do you want to take that back now?

They don't want it made illegal, however. I'm opposed to abortion, but support a woman's right to choose what to do with her body.

That's an an if then statement. Logic suggests by your
And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.

— Exodus 21

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)




wait what?????? want some new testament.....since, yannow...GODS morality seems to have shifted (ahem, absolute?) over time?

SURE!!

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)


Aw yes, the obligatory response to slavery. You're referring to the bondservants who were paid for their wages. They weren't forced into slavery. Still no contradiction.
Yes, they were forced per scripture as were their children and wives.

Sorry, dude. Biblical morals are not absolutes, but in fact archaic as compared to modern secular society. Thats a fact.
 
The majority of Americans think abortion is immoral dingleberry.

Do you want to take that back now?

Uh, most Americans support a woman's right to choose.

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Now that said, I think both sides engage in dishonesty on the issue. the left when they talk about rape and incest, (Less than 1/10 of 1% of all abortions performed) and the Right when they talk about "Late Term" and "Partial Birth" abortions,

But in principle, most Americans agree- her body-her choice.
 
It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?

I think it's probably true.

Yes, I think that the majority opinion and attitudes does matter in what a society's mores are.

The thing is, you guys have plenty of opporunity to argue your points on gay marriage or abortion, and largely, your arguments have been found wanting.

The majority of Americans think abortion is immoral dingleberry.

Do you want to take that back now?

They don't want it made illegal, however. I'm opposed to abortion, but support a woman's right to choose what to do with her body.

That's an an if then statement. Logic suggests by your
And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.

— Exodus 21

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)




wait what?????? want some new testament.....since, yannow...GODS morality seems to have shifted (ahem, absolute?) over time?

SURE!!

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.(Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)


Aw yes, the obligatory response to slavery. You're referring to the bondservants who were paid for their wages. They weren't forced into slavery. Still no contradiction.
Yes, they were forced per scripture as were their children and wives.

Sorry, dude. Biblical morals are not absolutes, but in fact archaic as compared to modern secular society. Thats a fact.


No, they weren't unless you're referring to the israelites who were forced into bondage under pharoah.
 
Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?


People's concept of morality evolves as human society evolves. Conservatives -especially the religious - are stuck in the morality of the ancients. Progressives are continually evolving morally. That's not to say that progressive morality is always right, but they are more right than wrong.

For example, given the morality of the ancients, not even Jesus spoke against slavery. Yet as humanity progressed it's become almost universally accepted that slavery is immoral. Modern government - formed by progressives (for their time) were WAY ahead of religious institutions in condemning slavery.

Of course many conservatives have a hard time conforming to the morality of the ancients much less modern morality.

Apparently you have not read the Bible. There was a man named Moses, ever hear of him? If not, God raised him up to free the Hebrew nation from slavery.

But he was not done. Although he allowed for slavery in the Hebrew nation, it was used more as a way to survive for the down and out who were not linked to a tribe to help them survive. On top of that, they were to be released from slavery after 7 years of service.

But it does not end there. Moses even implemented a day of rest, even for slaves, something unheard of in the ancient world that knew work and toil 24/7.

So thank Moses for "evolving" away from slavery. No, thank the God that pulled the strings behind the curtains.

As for Jesus, he said that those who sinned were a slave to sin and that he came to set the captives free. What he was saying was equally revolutionary, if not more so. To think that God could set someone free from their internal chains despite maybe being a slave is astonishing and accurate.

I fully believe that Christian slaves back in the day were much happier than inwardly tormented souls like emperor Nero even though they had all the money and "power" anyone could want.
Thank Moses for giving slaves a day of rest?

Religion seriously retards your cognitive faculties. If morals are ABSOLUTE, then why the fuck did we even NEED to evolve away from some of the teachings of the Bible, huh genius? Why didnt the Bible condemn slavery then and there, if it was busy declaring the moral absolutes?

Oh.. I know why.

Jesus was once asked about divorce. He replied that divorce was never God's plan but it was allowed because people were mired in such sin.

I view slavery in much the same way. God was beginning to change the world, but not over night. Bringing the Hebrews out of bondage was a step in the right direction, but the world was still a very dark place.


So as we see, the cultural morality does factor into reading the Bible. For example, God told Abraham to sacrifice his son as an offering. Today, this seems outrageously evil. Some may read this and then part ways with the Bible as being unreasonable. However, if we read the story through the lens of that time, it starts to make sense. For example, the majority of religions had people sacrifice their children to the various pagan gods. The God of the Bible saw this as abominable, and one of the main reasons he drove out the Canaanites from the Holy Land. So God then creates a story where he tells Abraham to do the same, but then stops him from carrying it out.

This sent a message to those in the ancient world who were accustomed to such practices. It was the message that the God of the Bible does not accept human sacrifices.

And finally, if there are no moral absolutes, then morality really does not matter unless confronted by laws of a given society regarding them. In fact, there is no right or wrong if God does not exist. However, that does not stop people from using their own self identified and meaningless relative morality to condemn the God of the Bible, which does not make a whole lot of sense.
 
Jesus never said anything about movies or basketball or how much water should be added to concrete. You're saying that Jesus would have condoned killing innocent human beings?

Except nobody considered a fetus to be a human being in bible times.

Exodus 22- If a man causes a miscarriage, he pays a fine. That's it.

But why pay a fine at all if a fetus means nothing.

What would God have said if Mary wanted to abort Jesus I wonder?

Accidentally causing someone to miscarry is akin to accidentally killing someone, which seem to be treated the same under Jewish law.
 
Moral depravity knows no bounds.
I totally agree.

Let them die.

Tax cuts for billionaires.

Grab her by the pu$$y.

Hungry children work harder.

Hatred of gays, blacks, Muslims, Hispanics and so on.

Love the fetus, the baby? Target practice.

Republicans are totally depraved.
 
Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?

The right has no morals . They only use fake moral outrage to mask their hate and bigotry.

They back Trump ! How can you claim morals !?

Well, they can't now but how do you reconcile the lefts willingness to kill 60million plus in the womb?
How can you make a moral case for a fetus when you don't care about the born?
 
What is "the democrat party"? The term doesn't 'google'.
If it is a political party, since when are they a source of moral guidance? That's for philosophers and religion.
If this is somehow a reference to one of the members of the two party dictatorship running the U.S. government, it will take some explaining to show what the differences are and how morality has much to do with their operations.

Morality is derived from perceived authority figures. This would be teachers, parents, the state, clergy, etc.

It is interesting that issues like abortion are declared murder by the church, but a large number of people in the church discard this moral stance and side with the DNC.

The DNC is rife with such people like Nancy Pelosi. Their god is the DNC

It is also interesting that the Pope is not out there day and night campaigning about the Holocaust of infants. Instead, he gives lectures on how good it is for Big Government and those that build walls will go to hell.

But then, they were also silent when the Nazi regime were killing off Jews, so.......
Nancy Pelosi is a God? What idiot says something so idiotic.

Wanna bet many Democrats don't even know who Nancy Pelosi is?

Everyone knows who Trump is. He grabs pu$$y.
 
Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?

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What about a married family man who has unprotected sex with a porn star and then goes home and has unprotected sex with his wife?
 
Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?


People's concept of morality evolves as human society evolves. Conservatives -especially the religious - are stuck in the morality of the ancients. Progressives are continually evolving morally. That's not to say that progressive morality is always right, but they are more right than wrong.

For example, given the morality of the ancients, not even Jesus spoke against slavery. Yet as humanity progressed it's become almost universally accepted that slavery is immoral. Modern government - formed by progressives (for their time) were WAY ahead of religious institutions in condemning slavery.

Of course many conservatives have a hard time conforming to the morality of the ancients much less modern morality.

Apparently you have not read the Bible. There was a man named Moses, ever hear of him? If not, God raised him up to free the Hebrew nation from slavery.

But he was not done. Although he allowed for slavery in the Hebrew nation, it was used more as a way to survive for the down and out who were not linked to a tribe to help them survive. On top of that, they were to be released from slavery after 7 years of service.

But it does not end there. Moses even implemented a day of rest, even for slaves, something unheard of in the ancient world that knew work and toil 24/7.

So thank Moses for "evolving" away from slavery. No, thank the God that pulled the strings behind the curtains.

As for Jesus, he said that those who sinned were a slave to sin and that he came to set the captives free. What he was saying was equally revolutionary, if not more so. To think that God could set someone free from their internal chains despite maybe being a slave is astonishing and accurate.

I fully believe that Christian slaves back in the day were much happier than inwardly tormented souls like emperor Nero even though they had all the money and "power" anyone could want.
Thank Moses for giving slaves a day of rest?

Religion seriously retards your cognitive faculties. If morals are ABSOLUTE, then why the fuck did we even NEED to evolve away from some of the teachings of the Bible, huh genius? Why didnt the Bible condemn slavery then and there, if it was busy declaring the moral absolutes?

Oh.. I know why.

Morals are absolutes. Slavery was condemned.
The Bible condoned slavery, as well as genocide and baby killing.

Just because it sounds monstrous to you now, doesnt mean it isnt there. It means youre in a forced denial, else... whats the moral standing anymore but another historic reference to the morals of the day

Jesus did take the first born from Egypt, but only because the Egyptians took the first born of the Hebrews and murdered them first. It's called an eye for an eye.

Then there was the incident of the Great Flood. Sure, children were killed, but how were they to be saved unless the wicked would be spared to care for them? The world had become so wicked according to the Bible, it was not sustainable.

And that is the crux of the issue. God sees all and knows all and ultimately knows who needs to live and who needs to die. There is no outwitting him or out questioning him. He put us here and he will take us some day as well. Like it or not, we are his property and if we become so evil that he needs to take our lives, he will do so.
 
Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?

The right has no morals . They only use fake moral outrage to mask their hate and bigotry.

They back Trump ! How can you claim morals !?

The Left had no problem with Clinton’s abuse of women yet had the audacity to say the Republicans had a war on women.
 
Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?
Good questions..I'll play it straight.

I believe it...because it confirms the demographic shift that has been coming for some time now. Between the younger voters..and the increasing number of non-whites, who tend to hold view to the left. The values of the young..shaped by the media and their peers--are left of center..both their political values and their cultural ones.

Hmmm..being 'right'? I'm not sure it matters..it just is. What is right depends on your context..where you stand..how you were raised. Objective right and wrong..except in obvious cases--is hard to determine. Throw in all the cultural war spin--and I don't know how one could make a judgement--although,of course, most do.

Does it matter? Yes--in the way that it matters if it is raining or sunny. Which is to say that it's important..but also very indifferent to change. Most people I know..tend to congregate like with like...so, many vote with their feet. I live in Idaho..so we get our share of Right leaning folk...moving here to preserve their Conservative values.
Others move to Cali...because they feel that the cultural climate is better.
Eventually, this will lead..is leading..to the cultural balkanization of the US.
Of course, the internet plays its part in culturally homogenizing our country.

I think that time will make this question moot. Already many of the cultural litmus tests are changing..Gay marriage, for example or smoking pot. The younger set..for the most part don't even see these as an issue. Religion is not really a factor.

Net privacy...the right to information...these sorts of things are the issues of the future.

A very short answer for a very large question--thanks for asking.
 
People's concept of morality evolves as human society evolves. Conservatives -especially the religious - are stuck in the morality of the ancients. Progressives are continually evolving morally. That's not to say that progressive morality is always right, but they are more right than wrong.

For example, given the morality of the ancients, not even Jesus spoke against slavery. Yet as humanity progressed it's become almost universally accepted that slavery is immoral. Modern government - formed by progressives (for their time) were WAY ahead of religious institutions in condemning slavery.

Of course many conservatives have a hard time conforming to the morality of the ancients much less modern morality.

Apparently you have not read the Bible. There was a man named Moses, ever hear of him? If not, God raised him up to free the Hebrew nation from slavery.

But he was not done. Although he allowed for slavery in the Hebrew nation, it was used more as a way to survive for the down and out who were not linked to a tribe to help them survive. On top of that, they were to be released from slavery after 7 years of service.

But it does not end there. Moses even implemented a day of rest, even for slaves, something unheard of in the ancient world that knew work and toil 24/7.

So thank Moses for "evolving" away from slavery. No, thank the God that pulled the strings behind the curtains.

As for Jesus, he said that those who sinned were a slave to sin and that he came to set the captives free. What he was saying was equally revolutionary, if not more so. To think that God could set someone free from their internal chains despite maybe being a slave is astonishing and accurate.

I fully believe that Christian slaves back in the day were much happier than inwardly tormented souls like emperor Nero even though they had all the money and "power" anyone could want.
Thank Moses for giving slaves a day of rest?

Religion seriously retards your cognitive faculties. If morals are ABSOLUTE, then why the fuck did we even NEED to evolve away from some of the teachings of the Bible, huh genius? Why didnt the Bible condemn slavery then and there, if it was busy declaring the moral absolutes?

Oh.. I know why.

Morals are absolutes. Slavery was condemned.
The Bible condoned slavery, as well as genocide and baby killing.

Just because it sounds monstrous to you now, doesnt mean it isnt there. It means youre in a forced denial, else... whats the moral standing anymore but another historic reference to the morals of the day

Jesus did take the first born from Egypt, but only because the Egyptians took the first born of the Hebrews and murdered them first. It's called an eye for an eye.

Then there was the incident of the Great Flood. Sure, children were killed, but how were they to be saved unless the wicked would be spared to care for them? The world had become so wicked according to the Bible, it was not sustainable.

And that is the crux of the issue. God sees all and knows all and ultimately knows who needs to live and who needs to die. There is no outwitting him or out questioning him. He put us here and he will take us some day as well. Like it or not, we are his property and if we become so evil that he needs to take our lives, he will do so.
Cool story, but you just agreed that morals are relative. Betya didnt even know it, either


derpa derppp
 
Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?

The right has no morals . They only use fake moral outrage to mask their hate and bigotry.

They back Trump ! How can you claim morals !?

The Left had no problem with Clinton’s abuse of women yet had the audacity to say the Republicans had a war on women.
Now you are just making sh!t up.
 
Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?

The right has no morals . They only use fake moral outrage to mask their hate and bigotry.

They back Trump ! How can you claim morals !?

The Left had no problem with Clinton’s abuse of women yet had the audacity to say the Republicans had a war on women.

What abuse ? There were a couple accusers . Nothing like we have today . And let’s not forget the big deal righties made about it.
 
Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?


The left loves to justify their immoral lifestyles...they never want to look in the mirror..
 
Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

It appears that on almost every social issue of today, Americans are trending towards the morality of the Left.

Who believes this or does not believe it and why?

Also, does a society trend indicate being "right"?

And lastly, does it matter?

No. Americans happen to hold views that are correct and happen to be the (at least pronounced) values of the Democratic party. Equal opportunity, fairness, a strong apathy for your sexual preference, equality, etc...
 

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