Have you always had the political beliefs you have now?

[Bfgrn]

BULLSHIT. Reagan was the biggest 'socialist' in American history. He transferred at least $3 trillion of wealth from the poor and the middle class to the opulent. And he was a REAL welfare queen. Instead of PAYING for what he spent he BORROWED for what he spent. He put America on the Beijing credit card.

...yawn. And Obama is the great fiscal conservative? Reagan's spending had much to do with defeating communism, something leftist will NEVER forgive.

Reagan’s measures were similar to those that the Republicans adopted during the 1920s, which were followed by the catastrophic depression.

Right. And the democrat spending made us rich. What a pile of shit.

FDR and Truman defeated fascism. But they PAYED for it by collecting tax revenues. Reagan 'defeated communism', and made Communist China our creditor.

And yes, Democrat spending made ALL of us better off, not just the 1%.

 

[Iceweasel]

FDR and Truman defeated fascism. But they PAYED for it by collecting tax revenues. Reagan 'defeated communism', and made Communist China our creditor.

And yes, Democrat spending made ALL of us better off, not just the 1%.

I see, so FDR and Truman didn't grow the size and scope of government and Reagan put us in debt. Reagan cut a lot of tax loopholes so there wasn't as much tax collecting prior to that as you think. What would the price be if nothing had been done about communism? Ever thought of that?

 

[Bfgrn]

"Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.” ~ Winston Churchill
I agree with it so that means Churchill, Rocko (although thinks it is a joke) and me are part of the "they" you are asking about ... And anyone else can join if "they" so choose.

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Churchill, the father of the British welfare state, never said that...

NOW what?

Quotes Falsely Attributed

Now we look at your source. He didn't originate it but who knows if he ever said it. BUT your link says he was a liberal. Really?

https://www.gov.uk/government/history/past-prime-ministers/winston-churchill
Sir Winston Churchill Conservative 1940 to 1945, 1951 to 1955

Winston Churchill was an inspirational statesman, writer, orator and leader who led Britain to victory in the Second World War. He served as Conservative Prime Minister twice - from 1940 to 1945 (before being defeated in the 1945 general election by the Labour leader Clement Attlee) and from 1951 to 1955.

Better do some more reading on Churchill, the father of the British welfare state.

The Forgotten Churchill

The man who stared down Hitler also helped create the modern welfare state

Rethinking Churchill - Ludwig von Mises Institute

Although his conservative idolaters seem blithely unaware of the fact — for them it is always 1940 — Churchill was one of the chief architects of the welfare state in Britain. The modern welfare state, successor to the welfare state of 18th-century absolutism, began in the 1880s in Germany, under Bismarck. In England, the legislative turning point came when Asquith succeeded Campbell-Bannerman as Prime Minister in 1908; his reorganized cabinet included David Lloyd George at the Exchequer and Churchill at the Board of Trade.

 

[Iceweasel]

Better do some more reading on Churchill, the father of the British welfare state.

The Forgotten Churchill

The man who stared down Hitler also helped create the modern welfare state

Rethinking Churchill - Ludwig von Mises Institute

Although his conservative idolaters seem blithely unaware of the fact — for them it is always 1940 — Churchill was one of the chief architects of the welfare state in Britain. The modern welfare state, successor to the welfare state of 18th-century absolutism, began in the 1880s in Germany, under Bismarck. In England, the legislative turning point came when Asquith succeeded Campbell-Bannerman as Prime Minister in 1908; his reorganized cabinet included David Lloyd George at the Exchequer and Churchill at the Board of Trade.

Uhm yeah...
From your source:
"Yet, in truth, Churchill never cared a great deal about domestic affairs, even welfarism, except as a means of attaining and keeping office. What he loved was power, and the opportunities power provided to live a life of drama and struggle and endless war."

So liberals only care about power and will do anything for it? Is that the message you're trying to get across?

 

[Bfgrn]

FDR and Truman defeated fascism. But they PAYED for it by collecting tax revenues. Reagan 'defeated communism', and made Communist China our creditor.

And yes, Democrat spending made ALL of us better off, not just the 1%.

I see, so FDR and Truman didn't grow the size and scope of government and Reagan put us in debt. Reagan cut a lot of tax loopholes so there wasn't as much tax collecting prior to that as you think. What would the price be if nothing had been done about communism? Ever thought of that?

Where did our debt come from? When did massive debt become part of the American economy?

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!


Reagan didn't defeat communism, it collapsed from its own weight.

President Kennedy and Khrushchev would have ended the cold war in the 60's if Kennedy had lived.

Kennedy was supremely confident that the advantages of the capitalist system would ultimately prevail, as long as a nuclear catastrophe could be avoided. In the final months of his Administration, J.F.K. even opened a secret peace channel to Castro, led by U.N. diplomat William Attwood. "He would have recognized Cuba," Milt Ebbins, a Hollywood crony of J.F.K.'s, says today. "He told me that if we recognize Cuba, they'll buy our refrigerators and toasters, and they'll end up kicking Castro out."

Kennedy often said he wanted his epitaph to be "He kept the peace." Even Khrushchev and Castro, Kennedy's toughest foreign adversaries, came to appreciate J.F.K.'s commitment to that goal. The roly-poly Soviet leader, clowning and growling, had thrown the young President off his game when they met at the Vienna summit in 1961. But after weathering storms like the Cuban missile crisis, the two leaders had settled into a mutually respectful quest for détente. When Khrushchev got the news from Dallas in November 1963, he broke down and sobbed in the Kremlin, unable to perform his duties for days. Despite his youth, Kennedy was a "real statesman," Khrushchev later wrote in his memoir, after he was pushed from power less than a year following J.F.K.'s death. If Kennedy had lived, he wrote, the two men could have brought peace to the world.

Read more: Warrior For Peace - The Lessons of J.F.K. - TIME Warrior For Peace - The Lessons of J.F.K. - TIME

 

[Bfgrn]

Better do some more reading on Churchill, the father of the British welfare state.

The Forgotten Churchill

The man who stared down Hitler also helped create the modern welfare state

Rethinking Churchill - Ludwig von Mises Institute

Although his conservative idolaters seem blithely unaware of the fact — for them it is always 1940 — Churchill was one of the chief architects of the welfare state in Britain. The modern welfare state, successor to the welfare state of 18th-century absolutism, began in the 1880s in Germany, under Bismarck. In England, the legislative turning point came when Asquith succeeded Campbell-Bannerman as Prime Minister in 1908; his reorganized cabinet included David Lloyd George at the Exchequer and Churchill at the Board of Trade.

Uhm yeah...
From your source:
"Yet, in truth, Churchill never cared a great deal about domestic affairs, even welfarism, except as a means of attaining and keeping office. What he loved was power, and the opportunities power provided to live a life of drama and struggle and endless war."

So liberals only care about power and will do anything for it? Is that the message you're trying to get across?

YOU want to claim him as a conservative. WHY is that???

 

[Iceweasel]

Where did our debt come from? When did massive debt become part of the American economy?

How do you define massive? Reagan had lots of help spending the money, you're wearing blinders. And Peanuthead did what a lot of dems do and cut back on the military. That's another reason the price tag was so high.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a borrow and spend policy,

Yeah, no one borrowed money before. That's why it was almost a trillion in the red when he came in office.

Reagan didn't defeat communism, it collapsed from its own weight.

No it had lots of help. It had to spend big money to keep up. And us anti-communists think it was worth it. Now with Peanuthead II in office, history repeats itself.

 

[Iceweasel]

"Yet, in truth, Churchill never cared a great deal about domestic affairs, even welfarism, except as a means of attaining and keeping office. What he loved was power, and the opportunities power provided to live a life of drama and struggle and endless war."

So liberals only care about power and will do anything for it? Is that the message you're trying to get across?

YOU want to claim him as a conservative. WHY is that???

Well I don't agree with your op-ed piece for one. And I'm not the one labeling him, how is the two time Prime Minister of the Conservative party a liberal? And why do you guys love to relabel everything?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Have you always had the political beliefs you have now?

I have been pretty much a Gerald Ford Republican for forty years.

The resurrection of the ding a ling far right was expected, as that is a cyclical expression in our party, if not looked forward to.

As you consider this review all the recent confirmations that Democrats always lie.

Any such statement as yours or the far left that demonizes the opposition is a lie. Just saying you or only lying to yourself if you think otherwise.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Better do some more reading on Churchill, the father of the British welfare state.

The Forgotten Churchill

The man who stared down Hitler also helped create the modern welfare state

Rethinking Churchill - Ludwig von Mises Institute

Although his conservative idolaters seem blithely unaware of the fact — for them it is always 1940 — Churchill was one of the chief architects of the welfare state in Britain. The modern welfare state, successor to the welfare state of 18th-century absolutism, began in the 1880s in Germany, under Bismarck. In England, the legislative turning point came when Asquith succeeded Campbell-Bannerman as Prime Minister in 1908; his reorganized cabinet included David Lloyd George at the Exchequer and Churchill at the Board of Trade.

Uhm yeah...
From your source:
"Yet, in truth, Churchill never cared a great deal about domestic affairs, even welfarism, except as a means of attaining and keeping office. What he loved was power, and the opportunities power provided to live a life of drama and struggle and endless war."

So liberals only care about power and will do anything for it? Is that the message you're trying to get across?

YOU want to claim him as a conservative. WHY is that???

Both Churchill and Thatcher supported NHS.

 

[Bfgrn]

Where did our debt come from? When did massive debt become part of the American economy?

How do you define massive? Reagan had lots of help spending the money, you're wearing blinders. And Peanuthead did what a lot of dems do and cut back on the military. That's another reason the price tag was so high.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a borrow and spend policy,

Yeah, no one borrowed money before. That's why it was almost a trillion in the red when he came in office.

Reagan didn't defeat communism, it collapsed from its own weight.

No it had lots of help. It had to spend big money to keep up. And us anti-communists think it was worth it. Now with Peanuthead II in office, history repeats itself.

Please explain how 'borrow and spend' is a conservative tenet?

Herein lies your problem. Carter called for raising defense spending to 5.2 percent of GDP in his final budget for fiscal year 1981.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Deficit spending like Reagan or Bush and taxation like Clinton or Obama still means both parties are big progressive parties.

The far left wants to go full scale socialist: not agonna happen.

The far right wants to go full scale libertarian: not agonna happen.

 

[dblack]

The far right wants to go full scale libertarian: not agonna happen.

Still spinning your fake show? Libertarians aren't "far right", and you know it.

 

[Bfgrn]

Deficit spending like Reagan or Bush and taxation like Clinton or Obama still means both parties are big progressive parties.

The far left wants to go full scale socialist: not agonna happen.

The far right wants to go full scale libertarian: not agonna happen.

Even a Reaganite disagrees.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

 

[hjmick]

I've always been where I am now.

 

[Noomi]

For example, if you are leftwing now, were you ever rightwing?


I was rightwing in high school because my dad was republican. Now luckily I think for myself and will never look back. I'm 27 now. Things are so much clearer.

I was always left leaning. Some of my opinions have changed drastically, though - I used to be extremely anti abortion, and now I am very pro choice, for example. I have become more left leaning as the years passed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The far right wants to go full scale libertarian: not agonna happen.

Still spinning your fake show? Libertarians aren't "far right", and you know it.

I said "the far right" wants to go "libertarian."

Don't you read?

And the true fakes are not the TPM, for I understand them.

You libertarians have no respect for We the People and the Constitution.

So: step off.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Deficit spending like Reagan or Bush and taxation like Clinton or Obama still means both parties are big progressive parties.

The far left wants to go full scale socialist: not agonna happen.

The far right wants to go full scale libertarian: not agonna happen.

Even a Reaganite disagrees.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

No one is reading this evening but blowing wind out of their butt.

I was not making a point about who was responsible for the "debt explosion."

I was making a point that both parties are big progressive parties.

Stay on track.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I was always middle of the road, until the New Left and Reagan came to power, c. 1966. At that point I rejected the violence of the New Left and the Arrogance and Greed and violence of the New Right - one only needs to be hit by a Berkeley Cop or eat gas ordered by Reagan to control protests once for simply walking from class to their car to understand extremists are all assholes. Today the Republican Party is no longer a moderate voice, it is a party of assholes. Hence, I remain a Democrat.

 

[Listening]

Conservative from age 8.

Hasn't changed at all.