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Being in the far left is like being scientology once you are in about the only way you can leave is feet first.
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Deficit spending like Reagan or Bush and taxation like Clinton or Obama still means both parties are big progressive parties.
The far left wants to go full scale socialist: not agonna happen.
The far right wants to go full scale libertarian: not agonna happen.
Even a Reaganite disagrees.
"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.
No one is reading this evening but blowing wind out of their butt.
I was not making a point about who was responsible for the "debt explosion."
I was making a point that both parties are big progressive parties.
Stay on track.![]()
I didn't say it was. Reagan couldn't get all he wanted and the arms race was important. Borrowing and spending isn't necessarily non-conservative either. It depends. You tell me what's liberal about this:Please explain how 'borrow and spend' is a conservative tenet?
Herein lies your problem. Carter called for raising defense spending to 5.2 percent of GDP in his final budget for fiscal year 1981.
Oh how Harry Reid of you ... 500 sources indicating Churchill said it and one fool professor saying he didn't.
When are you Liberals going to understand that you cannot accuse everyone else of lying because it suits your needs?
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Misattributed
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
According to research by Mark T. Shirey, citing Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and Familiar Misquotations by Ralph Keyes, 1992, this quote was first uttered by mid-nineteenth century French historian and statesman François Guizot when he observed, Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head. (N'être pas républicain à vingt ans est preuve d'un manque de cur ; l'être après trente ans est preuve d'un manque de tête.) This quote has been attributed variously to George Bernard Shaw, Benjamin Disraeli, Otto von Bismarck, and others.
Furthermore, the Churchill Centre, on its Falsely Attributed Quotations page, states "there is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this." Paul Addison of Edinburgh University is quoted as stating: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?"
Variants: Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.
Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.
If you are not a socialist by the time you are 25, you have no heart. If you are still a socialist by the time you are 35, you have no head
The Churchill Centre and Churchill Museum at the Cabinet War Rooms was founded in 1968 to educate new generations on the leadership, statesmanship, vision, courage and boldness of Sir Winston Churchill. Thousands of members around the world work together to impress the record Churchill's life and deeds on the 21st century. The Centre's exhibits are located at the Churchill War Rooms.
NOW WHAT???
Even a Reaganite disagrees.
"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.
No one is reading this evening but blowing wind out of their butt.
I was not making a point about who was responsible for the "debt explosion."
I was making a point that both parties are big progressive parties.
Stay on track.![]()
On track Jake? REALLY??
There is nothing at all 'progressive' about the Republican party, and little 'progressive' about today's Democratic party.
Progressives tried to dismantle the oligarchy created by the Robber Barons. Today both parties are indentured servants of them.
Try to stay relevant.
Oh how Harry Reid of you ... 500 sources indicating Churchill said it and one fool professor saying he didn't.
When are you Liberals going to understand that you cannot accuse everyone else of lying because it suits your needs?
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Misattributed
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
According to research by Mark T. Shirey, citing Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and Familiar Misquotations by Ralph Keyes, 1992, this quote was first uttered by mid-nineteenth century French historian and statesman François Guizot when he observed, Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head. (N'être pas républicain à vingt ans est preuve d'un manque de cur ; l'être après trente ans est preuve d'un manque de tête.) This quote has been attributed variously to George Bernard Shaw, Benjamin Disraeli, Otto von Bismarck, and others.
Furthermore, the Churchill Centre, on its Falsely Attributed Quotations page, states "there is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this." Paul Addison of Edinburgh University is quoted as stating: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?"
Variants: Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.
Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.
If you are not a socialist by the time you are 25, you have no heart. If you are still a socialist by the time you are 35, you have no head
The Churchill Centre and Churchill Museum at the Cabinet War Rooms was founded in 1968 to educate new generations on the leadership, statesmanship, vision, courage and boldness of Sir Winston Churchill. Thousands of members around the world work together to impress the record Churchill's life and deeds on the 21st century. The Centre's exhibits are located at the Churchill War Rooms.
NOW WHAT???
Lolz ... I read the link you provided before I posted the quote that you responded to ... Along with the first page and a half of the 500 some odd links that say otherwise.
You posting the link and then coming back with it quoting what it says again ... Doesn't make that one source any more valid than it was before I posted the quote you responded to.
Which is pretty much what I indicated in the post you chose to respond to after that.
Thanks for supporting my point you are will to go with one source over any number of others if it suits your desires ... Along with the usual suspects.
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You voted for torturers, mass murderers and a Mormon who wears magic underwear, and then talk about Conservative wisdom?Where I grew up everyone was a democrat, supported unions, pro abortion, etc. Luckily I got an education and threw those shackles off and will never vote democrat. With age comes wisdom I guess.
Lolz ... I read the link you provided before I posted the quote that you responded to ... Along with the first page and a half of the 500 some odd links that say otherwise.
You posting the link and then coming back with it quoting what it says again ... Doesn't make that one source any more valid than it was before I posted the quote you responded to.
Which is pretty much what I indicated in the post you chose to respond to after that.
Thanks for supporting my point you are will to go with one source over any number of others if it suits your desires ... Along with the usual suspects.
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For example, if you are leftwing now, were you ever rightwing?
I was rightwing in high school because my dad was republican. Now luckily I think for myself and will never look back. I'm 27 now. Things are so much clearer.
For example, if you are leftwing now, were you ever rightwing?
I was rightwing in high school because my dad was republican. Now luckily I think for myself and will never look back. I'm 27 now. Things are so much clearer.
There's more credible links that claim your quote was never uttered by Churchill. The information I provided in my response, which you conveniently ignored, because you know your claim is nothing but BS, clearly makes it ridiculous to credit Churchill with such a quote, since he was a Liberal still, when he was 35.....and didn't become a conservative again until he was 50.
But, even if he did become a conservative at age 50....that was in 1924, and no way in hell were the Republicans of 1924 like the looney bird Republicans of today.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/342645-have-you-always-had-the-political-beliefs-you-have-now-6.html#post8705286
You said you agreed with it, and claimed to be part of the "they" who say that, and then you quoted a version of the quote giving Churchill credit for it, so I guess that makes it your quote in the sense that you posted it....and unless you counted all the links for and against, you can't claim to go with the majority....the links that I found all said that Churchill wasn't the author, and the background information I gave you on Churchill very much proves it.There's more credible links that claim your quote was never uttered by Churchill. The information I provided in my response, which you conveniently ignored, because you know your claim is nothing but BS, clearly makes it ridiculous to credit Churchill with such a quote, since he was a Liberal still, when he was 35.....and didn't become a conservative again until he was 50.
But, even if he did become a conservative at age 50....that was in 1924, and no way in hell were the Republicans of 1924 like the looney bird Republicans of today.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/342645-have-you-always-had-the-political-beliefs-you-have-now-6.html#post8705286
It isn't my quote ... I went with the majority of the links ... And mentioned I read the link he posted prior to posting my response to his question "Who are they".
"Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. ~ Winston Churchill
I agree with it so that means Churchill, Rocko (although thinks it is a joke) and me are part of the "they" you are asking about ... And anyone else can join if "they" so choose.
Oh how Harry Reid of you ... 500 sources indicating Churchill said it and one fool professor saying he didn't.
When are you Liberals going to understand that you cannot accuse everyone else of lying because it suits your needs?
He is the one who asked ... "Who are they" ... Then went to the trouble of trying to correct someone like me by providing a link identifying who "they" are.
Just another example of how disingenuous and intellectually vacant the poster was in asking a question for no other purpose than correcting whoever answered it.
Show me where Churchill was a conservative when he was 35 and you might sound credible, otherwise you are just irate because your bullshit has been called out and you have no defense, and all the things you accuse Liberals of being are just your way of deflecting what you are all about.That fits right up your alley ... The same bullshit you leftist are too familiar with.
You think you are fooling people when you are nothing more than Bfgrn dingleberry on this one.
When you generalize and accuse all liberals of doing what you yourself are doing, damn right you are going to be called out. I guess you thought you were just going to float right on with your bullshit, didn't you.It just figures you would jump in on that wagon.
For example, if you are leftwing now, were you ever rightwing?
I was rightwing in high school because my dad was republican. Now luckily I think for myself and will never look back. I'm 27 now. Things are so much clearer.
For example, if you are leftwing now, were you ever rightwing?
I was rightwing in high school because my dad was republican. Now luckily I think for myself and will never look back. I'm 27 now. Things are so much clearer.