Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Most Republicans are wannahbe conservatives.

but a lot of them are like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and all of them will be if the voters will vote libertarian.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Heath care is neither a right nor a privilege; it's a need.

Rationale and responsible people take care of their own needs.

yes I agree but it is hard with health care because the liberal govt monopoly has made it so expensive.

 

[Gadawg73]

Most Republicans are wannahbe conservatives.

but a lot of them are like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and all of them will be if the voters will vote libertarian.

I lean very much libertarian. Strong fiscal conservative and could give a shit if 2 guys want to buy a wedding cake and get married.
Everyone else can go fuck themselves. Sick and tired of Republicans and Democrats.
Most of these idiots I grew up down here believe being conservative is putting In God We Trust on money and saying one nation under God in Pledge of Allegiance.

 

[Gadawg73]

what other rights do we have

that someone else expected to pay for

how about the right to food clothing and shelter? education?

Only children have a right to K-12 education. Otherwise there is no right to food, clothing or education.

Where is there a right to education anywhere in Constitution from K-12?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

how about the right to food clothing and shelter? education?

Only children have a right to K-12 education. Otherwise there is no right to food, clothing or education.

Where is there a right to education anywhere in Constitution from K-12?

there is no right in Constitution to food clothing shelter health care or education

 

[regent]

Do the American people have the right to make health care a right?

no in a free country you don't have the right to make others pay for your food clothing and shelter.

If the American people want health care we will have health care.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Do the American people have the right to make health care a right?

no in a free country you don't have the right to make others pay for your food clothing and shelter.

If the American people want health care we will have health care.

food, clothing, and shelter too as long as, as liberals, you can steal it?

 

[regent]

no in a free country you don't have the right to make others pay for your food clothing and shelter.

If the American people want health care we will have health care.

food, clothing, and shelter too as long as, as liberals, you can steal it?

The American people do not need to steal health care. If they decide they want health care, it will be voted in by the people's representatives as happened with Social Security, Medicare, and the other programs and it will be paid for by the people.

 

[Vermonter]

Where is there a right to education anywhere in Constitution from K-12?

The tenth Amendment.

 

[Vermonter]

The American people do not need to steal health care. If they decide they want health care, it will be voted in by the people's representatives as happened with Social Security, Medicare, and the other programs and it will be paid for by the people.

We already have the best health care in the world.

What a lot of people want is free health care with a single payer system. You know, like the VA.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Where is there a right to education anywhere in Constitution from K-12?

The tenth Amendment.

nice try

 

[Gadawg73]

The American people do not need to steal health care. If they decide they want health care, it will be voted in by the people's representatives as happened with Social Security, Medicare, and the other programs and it will be paid for by the people.

We already have the best health care in the world.

What a lot of people want is free health care with a single payer system. You know, like the VA.

Best health care in the world?
LOL, no sir, we are not even in the top 10.
We DO have the very best DISEASE care.
As we should. We spend 55%, and growing each year, of ALL health care dollars in the United States on DISEASE CARE.
To treat 4% of the population.
And 7 of the top 8 diseases treated here in America are PREVENTABLE DISEASES
Because Americans are fat, lazy and expect someone else to pay for their health care be it primarily group health insurance or government, BOTH of which have ruined American "health" care.
Health care we have here is sub standard at best. We are one of the unhealthiest nations on earth. Fat, lazy and lethargic.

 

[emilynghiem]

If the American people want health care we will have health care.

food, clothing, and shelter too as long as, as liberals, you can steal it?

The American people do not need to steal health care. If they decide they want health care, it will be voted in by the people's representatives as happened with Social Security, Medicare, and the other programs and it will be paid for by the people.

Hi [MENTION=35264]regent[/MENTION]
I am a liberal progressive prochoice Democrat
and supporter of sustainable inclusive solutions that the Greens offer.

NONE of this requires overriding the Constitutional principles, beliefs,
and voices of my fellow Americans I believe are equally included and protected by law.
for the "people" to be represented in govt policy and taxes to pay programs
there should be a clear CONSENSUS.

51% of the nation is NOT CONSENSUS.

Your math should tell you this isn't the voice of "all the people"
but only HALF. It is not only presumptious but dangerous to assume
that just because you agree with a policy then it passes as "the voice of the people"
and the "law of the land"; which requires excluding discounting and dismissing half
the nation that is clearly dissenting. (That level of denial requires imposing unequal
treatment of people, considered bigotry when applied by race; here, when it is
masked as political agenda "made law" it is considered legal, which makes it
more dangerous, when these laws are made mandatory and carry a penalty!
If you do not recognize how dangerous this is, I believe it borders on either
negligence or deliberate abuse in "conspiring to violate civil rights" to impose federal fines
that punish people on the basis of their beliefs and creed.)

So no, half the nation believing in how something should be done,
while the other half does not consent but is screaming in objection, is not the best way to do it.

There are better ways that could yield 80-90% agreement on policy,
but my standard is 98% if we can't get a full consensus which is considered impossible.

If Democrats set up a system through their own party,
that could get 90-95% consensus within that group of supporters.

Why don't we join forces and set this up, to show how it works
with maximum support, when everyone participating in it is trying to make it work.

let's make it work first, before trying to sell any idea to the rest of the nation.

People have natural rights and freedom to follow the principles to achieve the
same goals but in ways they agree do not violate their principles, beliefs or rights.

the Constitution is supposed to protect these equal rights,
not be abused by majority rule to override others.

I totally disagree with your assumption that "we the people"
are represented by the current policy and approach to health care!

Totally, this could not be more false,
but is like saying all America is Christian because the majority is
and everyone needs that anyway.

that's not what this nation is about.

If you want to go into the bullring and argue
whether ACA represents "we the people"
I will challenge you. I think this needs to be a public
discussion and start recognizing that half the nation is left out of this whole approach.

There is NO REASON to penalize or exclude other choices.
This is especially dangerous to have the prochoice Democrats
pushing this which violates our own principles on the concept of choice.

This constitutes political abuse, discrimination and fraud,
and I want to see this problem corrected.

Do you agree that half the nation is "not represented"
by the ACA policies with mandates and govt intervention in health
care to this degree?

If you REALLY BELIEVE this is the voice of "the people"
I challenge you on that!

The Constitutional principles either come first,
or they should be equal, but in no way should
this ACA and its mandates be enforced to trump Constitutional inclusion of other choices.

I am happy to challenge you and Dante and others.

I will bring in anyone else it takes to explain to you
half the nation is censored and discriminated against by creed.

Yours truly,
Emily

 

[regent]

food, clothing, and shelter too as long as, as liberals, you can steal it?

The American people do not need to steal health care. If they decide they want health care, it will be voted in by the people's representatives as happened with Social Security, Medicare, and the other programs and it will be paid for by the people.

Hi [MENTION=35264]regent[/MENTION]
I am a liberal progressive prochoice Democrat
and supporter of sustainable inclusive solutions that the Greens offer.

NONE of this requires overriding the Constitutional principles, beliefs,
and voices of my fellow Americans I believe are equally included and protected by law.
for the "people" to be represented in govt policy and taxes to pay programs
there should be a clear CONSENSUS.

51% of the nation is NOT CONSENSUS.

Your math should tell you this isn't the voice of "all the people"
but only HALF.

So no, half the nation believing in how something should be done
is not the best way to do it.

There are better ways that could yield 80-90% agreement on policy,
but my standard is 98% if we can't get a full consensus which is considered impossible.

If Democrats set up a system through their own party,
that could get 90-95% consensus within that group of supporters.

Why don't we join forces and set this up, to show how it works
with maximum support, when everyone participating in it is trying to make it work.

let's make it work first, before trying to sell any idea to the rest of the nation.

People have natural rights and freedom to follow the principles to achieve the
same goals but in ways they agree do not violate their principles, beliefs or rights.

the Constitution is supposed to protect these equal rights,
not be abused by majority rule to override others.

I totally disagree with your assumption that "we the people"
are represented by the current policy and approach to health care!

Totally, this could not be more false,
but is like saying all America is Christian because the majority is
and everyone needs that anyway.

that's not what this nation is about.

If you want to go into the bullring and argue
whether ACA represents "we the people"
I will challenge you. I think this needs to be a public
discussion and start recognizing that half the nation is left out of this whole approach.

There is NO REASON to penalize or exclude other choices.
This is especially dangerous to have the prochoice Democrats
pushing this which violates our own principles on the concept of choice.

This constitutes political abuse, discrimination and fraud,
and I want to see this problem corrected.

Do you agree that half the nation is "not represented"
by the ACA policies with mandates and govt intervention in health
care to this degree?

If you REALLY BELIEVE this is the voice of "the people"
I challenge you on that!

The Constitutional principles either come first,
or they should be equal, but in no way should
this ACA and its mandates be enforced to trump Constitutional inclusion of other choices.

I am happy to challenge you and Dante and others.

I will bring in anyone else it takes to explain to you
half the nation is censored and discriminated against by creed.

Yours truly,
Emily

As I say, if and when the American people decide they want health care, Congress will vote it in, the president will sign it, and the Court will say it's Constitutional. It may not happen overnite but it will happen--if and when the people decide they want it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If the American people want health care we will have health care.

food, clothing, and shelter too as long as, as liberals, you can steal it?

The American people do not need to steal health care. If they decide they want health care, it will be voted in by the people's representatives as happened with Social Security, Medicare, and the other programs and it will be paid for by the people.

This is called the tyranny of the majority and it is very anti-American. If the majority votes to steal, with force of arms, from the minority it is theft not democracy.

 

[regent]

food, clothing, and shelter too as long as, as liberals, you can steal it?

The American people do not need to steal health care. If they decide they want health care, it will be voted in by the people's representatives as happened with Social Security, Medicare, and the other programs and it will be paid for by the people.

This is called the tyranny of the majority and it is very anti-American. If the majority votes to steal, with force of arms, from the minority it is theft not democracy.

Call it what you like, but that's the way the country has worked. Check the history of America's social programs, there is a pattern; might start with Social Security.
I'm not sure tyranny works as well as socialism and communism, but it's still a good scare word.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The American people do not need to steal health care. If they decide they want health care, it will be voted in by the people's representatives as happened with Social Security, Medicare, and the other programs and it will be paid for by the people.

This is called the tyranny of the majority and it is very anti-American. If the majority votes to steal, with force of arms, from the minority it is theft not democracy.

Call it what you like, but that's the way the country has worked. Check the history of America's social programs, there is a pattern; might start with Social Security.
I'm not sure tyranny works as well as socialism and communism, but it's still a good scare word.

You are anti-American. Our democracy was not designed to be theft!!


"When the people find that they can vote themselves money,( stolen by force of arms) that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin

 

[M14 Shooter]

Health Care Is A Right Not a Privilege!

Incorrect. Heath care = goods and services that you can purchase.

You have a right to as much health care as you can buy, the extent of that right defined solely by the terms of that purchase.

 

[regent]

This is called the tyranny of the majority and it is very anti-American. If the majority votes to steal, with force of arms, from the minority it is theft not democracy.

Call it what you like, but that's the way the country has worked. Check the history of America's social programs, there is a pattern; might start with Social Security.
I'm not sure tyranny works as well as socialism and communism, but it's still a good scare word.

You are anti-American. Our democracy was not designed to be theft!!


"When the people find that they can vote themselves money,( stolen by force of arms) that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin

Even calling someone anti-American may not work if the American people decide they want
a program. All this was done in 1936, with the Social Security program. SS was anti-American, communistic, socialistic and not what our founding fathers wanted...but we have it.
Actually establishing a democracy scared the founders for the very reason Franklin says, but the big question is: as we became more democratic why haven't the people voted themselves scads of money. In fact, the people seem very content to let corporations and others use their money to prevent that from happening.

 

[anotherlife]

The US healthcare sector is a purely paper industry that is 14 % of the US economy. Because of its size, the hedge fund managers, using the free cash of 401k/IRA contributions, keep pumping it bigger and bigger forever.

The US healthcare sector is only one example of the larger US economy, that is generally moving away from a supply-demand based buyer-provider pricing, to a 3rd party pricing in all industries.

When a 3rd party defines cash flow, such as by insurance policies or by lending, the prices become unknown until invoices are generated. Then, the 3rd party defers most of that payment down to the buyer who had no influence in the pricing.

So, the US healthcare sector will continue to drive companies out of business and individuals into bankruptcy, in ever larger numbers and without any limit.