Healthcare should not be a PROFIT driven field

[bucs90]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

 

[Mac1958]

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It doesn't have to be a binary, either/or situation.

I want companies competing for my business, knowing full well that such competition breeds innovation, efficiencies and progress. The last thing I want is a massive, bureaucratic monopoly in charge of the health care of myself and my loved ones. Good gawd.

At the same time, the inefficiencies inherent in such a bureaucracy can be acceptable to a point in providing foundational preventive and diagnostic services for everyone, which is something we don't have now. Recognizing problems early saves significant money and prolongs and improves lives. A healthier populace is both good economics and an improved general standard of living.

Unfortunately, both "major" parties have their heads squarely up their ass on this issue and we appear to be stuck with what we have.

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[Edgetho]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

So who gets to make a profit, spuds? You? Only you? You and nobody else, is that it?

What a fucking douchebag. You're gonna sit there and tell us that nobody else gets to make a profit.... Except you, of course.

Where do you people find such brainless examples of perfect dims? Honest to God. Is there a breeding facility out there that none of us are aware of? Is there a drug you give them that disables the executive functions in their frontal lobes?

Do you run an Ad in the St Pete Times that reads: "Stupid? Lazy? Without Marketable Skills? Come to USMB where you can mingle with hundreds of like-minded liberals!" ??

Or, as is the case with most dims, they're just born mentally deficient?

That's what I thought.

Please don't bring any more of them to the Board. The average IQ in here just fell by three points with this post.

In fact, I feel as if I lost 10 points just reading it. Not to worry, I still have plenty to spare.

FUCK but dimocraps are some stupid bitches. Honest to God.

P.S.

Many, many Health Care facilities in this Country, as well as the majority of Health Insurance Companies, WERE not-for-profit before obamacare.

stupid fucks

dimocraps are just simply stupid. I mean, drool cup, mouth breathing stupid

 

[AvgGuyIA]

ok. Just to put it bluntly: the ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should not be one that is driven by profit.

whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the huge profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure hepatitis c. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; and hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; and insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans could save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the middle east.

lol.

 

[The T]

Healthcare should not be a PROFIT driven field...

Interesting...you know what? Neither should POLITICS/Politicians...you know Public Servants? And here you are defending the very people that foisted ObamaCare on us...and THEY are profiting for it.

OP? YOU don't think these things out.

IDIOT.

 

[The Rabbi]

Idiotic OP. People think profit is a dirty word when in fact profit is what has allowed this country to progress and provide the highest standard of living in the world. Look at places where medicine is socialized. You hardly see any medical innovation or new drugs being developed there. Why? No reason to. No money in it.

I agree with Edge, as usual. Where do they breed people this stupid?

 

[Anathema]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

All businesses exist for ONE REASON and ONE REASON ONLY..... PROFIT. If there is no profit to be made in something, nobody with any modicrum of intelligence goes into business doing it. Medicine/Health Care is the exact same way. That's not a Democrat or Republican thing, that's a COMMON SENSE thing.

As soon as people on the Left begin to comprehend that, and the idea that nothing happens if there is no profit in it, things will begin to turn around. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that day.

 

[healthmyths]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

How about THIS GREED!
But YOUR President (a lawyer and over 40% of Congress are lawyers ) did NOT ADDRESS this gigantic largest cost driver.

"Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
76% of physicians report that defensive medicine decreases patient access to healthcare.
53% of physicians report delaying new techniques, procedures, and treatments due to fear of lawsuits.
Patients most affected by defensive medicine include those visiting emergency rooms and those requiring surgery.
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patient’s right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.
Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

Do you understand this??
Insurance companies historically pay out of every $1.00 almost 80¢ in claims. Do you understand that?
So when insurance companies get claims from duplicate tests, wasted specialist referrals.. THESE physicians that do the "duplicate tests" do NOT get paid!
A gross gigantic MYTH most ignorant people don't know.

And then you have idiots who complain about "expenses"... i.e. above who TOTALLY ignore the REALITY that there never was a health care crisis!
EVERYONE believes the myth of 46 million uninsured when:
1) 10 million are not citizens 2) 14 million due to the failure of prior existing Medicaid administration are covered and the gigantic hoax..
3) 18 million people DON"T WANT, Don't need (under 34) can afford but spend less then employers' plans costs.. are counted! GIGANTIC exaggeration
there were 46 million uninsured! Less then 4 million!
AND THESE 4 million could have been easily covered by taxing lawyers 10% of their $270 BILLION a year just like tanning salons taxed as tanning caused cancer.
$27 billion a year would pay all the health care costs for these 4 million.
PLUS this would reduce THIS costs that is a total waste:
A hospital CEO when asked: "How do hospitals deal with the cost of the uninsured? Like any business, we pass it on to the paying customers.”
From PAGE 1 of this document: http://www.ncmedicaljournal.com/wp-content/uploads/NCMJ/mar-apr-05/Yarbrough.pdf

Hospitals would NOT be allowed to sometimes markup their claims by 6,000% in "passing on to the paying customer"!!
But of course NOT one of you ignorant people that make comments like bucs90 made NOT understanding at all health care finance!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Healthcare should not be a PROFIT driven field...

Interesting...you know what? Neither should POLITICS/Politicians...you know Public Servants? And here you are defending the very people that foisted ObamaCare on us...and THEY are profiting for it.

OP? YOU don't think these things out.

IDIOT.

The law of unintended consequences always rears its ugly head when it comes to Democrats and liberals.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why would a company invest billions on R&D and jump through government hoops for years to get a drug or a piece of medical equipment on the market to only break even?

 

[Stephanie]

good ole bucs, he get to be the JUDGE of who gets to make profits....aren't libs so generous

their motto, profits for me but none for thee

 

[occupied]

In conservative land poor people are practically worthless excess population, why should their misery cost the suits a thin dime? In their cold calculus life itself has been turned into a commodity to be bought, sold and even hoarded.

 

[bedowin62]

what is it about left-wing nutjobs and their fear of profit?

must everything be a losing proposition like everything else in the world of failed Progressives ideology?

 

[bedowin62]

In conservative land poor people are practically worthless excess population, why should their misery cost the suits a thin dime? In their cold calculus life itself has been turned into a commodity to be bought, sold and even hoarded.

it's so nice of you to cry for them though; as if they asked you to.

 

[Listening]

Could we please have numbers on all these "profits" ?

I'd like to see how much profit is being made as a percentage of the amount of money spent each year.

I am all for getting better health care.

The way to do it is to get government out of the system. They've been in it for 50 years and they are the reason it so screwed up.

 

[Mac1958]

Why would a company invest billions on R&D and jump through government hoops for years to get a drug or a piece of medical equipment on the market to only break even?

I think there a lot of people who have absolutely no understanding of business, the risks it takes, the challenges it faces. None. Zero. And many of them don't WANT to know.

That doesn't stop them from tossing out completely simplistic and naive opinions, however.

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[occupied]

In conservative land poor people are practically worthless excess population, why should their misery cost the suits a thin dime? In their cold calculus life itself has been turned into a commodity to be bought, sold and even hoarded.

it's so nice of you to cry for them though; as if they asked you to.

Nice of you to give confirmation that I am correct, at least about you.

 

[bedowin62]

after an almost $1 TRILLION "Stimulus" program and tends of billions doled out to Democrat Party fatcat donors for "green" jobs that never materialzed before the money DISAPPEARED; we still have RECORD WELFARE AND FOOD STAMPS in obama's SIXTH year, which is the EIGHT-STRAIGHT YEAR OF PROGRESSIVE-MAJORITY rule in the USA



who's "greedy" left-wing nutjobs?

 

[Edgetho]

In conservative land poor people are practically worthless excess population, why should their misery cost the suits a thin dime? In their cold calculus life itself has been turned into a commodity to be bought, sold and even hoarded.

Life ain't fair, bitch.

If it was, you wouldn't have been born ugly AND stupid.

Idiot, Utopian commie.

You don't even understand your own beliefs. THAT is how stupid you are

This was written BY a socialist FOR socialists and is FROM marxists.org

So I don't wanna hear about its authenticity.

You can't understand others until you understand yourself...... As of now, you are dumber than a bag of farts


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Hal Draper: The Two Souls of Socialism (Chap.9)

We have seen that there are several different strains or currents running through Socialism-From-Above. They are usually intertwined, but let us separate out some of the more important aspects for a closer look.

1. Philanthropism. – Socialism (or “freedom,” or what-have-you) is to be handed down, in order to Do the People Good, by the rich and powerful out of the kindness of their hearts. As the Communist Manifesto put it, with the early utopians like Robert Owen in mind, “Only from the point of view of being the most suffering class does the proletariat exist for them.” In gratitude, the downtrodden poor must above all avoid getting rambunctious, and no nonsense about class struggle or self- emancipation. This aspect may be considered a special case of –

2. Elitism. – We have mentioned several cases of this conviction that socialism is the business of a new ruling minority, non-capitalist in nature and therefore guaranteed pure, imposing its own domination either temporarily (for a mere historical era) or even permanently. In either case, this new ruling class is likely to see its goal as an Educational Dictatorship over the masses – to Do Them Good, of course – the dictatorship being exercised by an elite party which suppresses all control from below, or by benevolent despots or Savior-Leaders of some kind, or by Shaw’s “Supermen,” by eugenic manipulators, by Proudhon’s “anarchist” managers or Saint-Simon’s technocrats or their more modern equivalents – with up-to-date terms and new verbal screens which can be hailed as fresh social theory as against “nineteenth-century Marxism.”

On the other hand, the revolutionary-democratic advocates of Socialism-from-Below have also always been a minority, but the chasm between the elitist approach and the vanguard approach is crucial, as we have seen in the case of Debs. For him as for Marx and Luxemburg, the function of the revolutionary vanguard is to impel the mass-majority to fit themselves to take power in their own name, through their own struggles. The point is not to deny the critical importance of minorities, but to establish a different relationship between the advanced minority and the more backward mass.

P.S.

This was written in 1966. I even did a paper on it back in the day.

 

[Listening]

Ok. Just to put it bluntly: The ability to save a human life, or vastly improve their life, should NOT be one that is driven by profit.

Whats the answer? Im not sure. People have to get paid for their work, yes. But the HUGE profits being raked in by the pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, etc, at the expense of what?

I recently read of a new pill that can literally cure Hepatitis C. But....the pills are $1,000 each, and a person would need many of them, making the cost prohibitive to insurance companies.

So you have a big pharma company who developed the very expensive pill; And hospitals who can give the very expensive pill; And insurance companies who may have to pay for the pill. And insurance companies don't wanna pay for it.

Just one of many countless examples of how we humans COULD save or help someone.....but, is it profitable? The profit seems to matter more than the end result lately, and it is a bunch of nonsense.

The pure greed of this nation's population is what will destroy us. Not some cavemen in the Middle East.

If you get Hepatitis by using a needle, then you don't get the drug. How about that ?

Why should someone else pay for your bad choices.

Why are we forced to pay for all the fatties that have diabetes ? They got fat on their own.

But in liberal land....we should be "understanding".

I understand this....when a mom who has a 200# eight grader keeps stuffing him full of Big Macs.....she should be force to set aside half her check to take care of him in the future.

That works for me.