Here's what the problem with money is

[AlexandrosTsolis]

It does that and much more. Ask anyone who has a pile of it.

When people trade with one another,

In general they do “I do this for you, you do that for me”,

And specifically whatever “this” and “that” is for the specific occasion and instance, so now…

Player do you know what money does…

Money doesn’t do what those who have money say…

Money reduces the time and effort to trade…

Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort, with their endless money stories...

Have you ever really thought of that?

 

[AlexandrosTsolis]

or you have more "money stories" for me?

None of you geniuses get it do you?

 

[Woodznutz]

If you had enough money, there wouldn't be enough for the rest of us...

I have plenty of money, and others can borrow it if they want to (interest rates are very low at this time).

Of course there isn't enough money to go around unless it's circulating. The "velocity" of money, how fast it changes hands, is an important aspect of the economy. To make money available to more people..."Go shopping"! -G.W. Bush

 

[Woodznutz]

It's much more than a medium of trade. It's a status symbol, an indicator of intelligent choices made, an aphrodisiac, and a source of contentment.

It's also a store of value, and an accounting method.

 

[Woodznutz]

or you have more "money stories" for me?

None of you geniuses get it do you?

WADR, I don't think even a genius could figure out where you are going with this.

 

[Woodznutz]

Money doesn’t do what those who have money say…

That depends on whether one controls their money, or if their money controls them.

In my case I own the money I have on deposit in banks, however I have given temporary stewardship to the banks during the deposit period. It is their responsibility to manage it fruitfully and carefully for me and them. Those who have proven themselves financially responsible are able to borrow it, those who have not, cannot.

 

[Orangecat]

Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort, with their endless money stories...
Have you ever really thought of that?

I can pull out a stack of hundred dollar bills and get heightened attention and respect whether I spend them or not.
You post like someone who has little to no money whatsoever, tbh.
Have you ever really thought of that?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If you had enough money, there wouldn't be enough for the rest of us...

How exactly did you come to that conclusion?
It's not like there's a finite amount of money.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

or you have more "money stories" for me?

None of you geniuses get it do you?

Sure thing Nostradumbass....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

or you have more "money stories" for me?

None of you geniuses get it do you?

You should probably stop,you're not impressing anyone here.

 

[sparky]

Kennyshire

Bennyshire

So the difference would seem one faction can create valuation, while the other that can not is simply held to it?

Player do you know what money does…

Money doesn’t do what those who have money say…

Money reduces the time and effort to trade…

I know money is not currency

Money & Currency are two different terms, as well as in two different places in the dictionary , with two distinct definitions

~S~

 

[AlexandrosTsolis]

So the difference would seem one faction can create valuation, while the other that can not is simply held to it?

the difference is one place what money does is what those who have the money say...
regardless if it takes more time and effort for the rest to have fun.

in the other place people don't waste too much time and effort with idiots and their money stories...
if they claim they are good at making money, they can do so over an over in a way that is sensible for most.

I know money is not currency

Money & Currency are two different terms, as well as in two different places in the dictionary , with two distinct definitions

Money is not what you think...the entire legal system is based on supporting an economy...as when the law doesn't support the economy...then there can be no economy...and we are back to the jungle.

 

[AlexandrosTsolis]

Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort, with their endless money stories...

now players...

get it?

 

[AlexandrosTsolis]

Money doesn’t do what those who have money say because...

The economy isn't working at certain points in history (you can search that online to verify if I am correct)...

When that happens, the money is concentrated to some people only, as the rest people don't have enough money so that the economy can work. (you can search that online as well...although it's not that hard to imagine that, is it really? If it is read the clarification in the end)

And here is the question, can I blame everyone who has money while the economy is not working? No, it doesn't seem to me I can...but...

...at that moment in time, when they all say "the economy isn't working now", some of the ones who have money and can make money again, because they can make money again and again ( otherwise said because they have skills, connections, experience)...

...Shouldn't the ones who are able to make money again and again, show the rest when the economy isn't working, and they...have money...while most...don't have money(a.k.a. "the economy isn't working now"), who among the ones who have money, when the economy isn't working, is really good at making money again and again, and who is just pretending like they don't understand...

Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort, with their endless money stories...

Have you ever really thought of that?


Clarification.
In order for humans to do stuff for one another, they need something that they can hope in the future can be fun, so that it makes sense for them to do it. When the economy doesn't work, due to human action:
1. The will of people to work is unlikely to change to "now that the economy doesn't work, let me lose my will to work also..", it will take quite some time keeping the economy not working for this to become likely.
2. The knowledge people have doing the things they do in the economy, also hasn't changed to "now that the economy doesn't work, let me forget all about how I know to work also", it will take quite some time keeping the economy not working for this to become likely.
3. People don't have money, and money is concentrated to some only, or else people have money and they don't want or don't know how to work, but...it will take quite some time keeping the economy not working for people to start not wanting to work or forgetting how to work, and they still won't have money...it will take much longer for that to become possible...

...but do we really have to spend all this time and effort every time the economy isn't working, because some think that money does whatever they want money to do?
Does that really make sense for the general population to consider logical to keep on doing?

 

[Devils_Advocate]

I've got plenty of money. Last I checked, there's plenty out there for everyone else, too...

My enough is six million dollar’s, so I am sure at that number there is enough for everyone after I get what I want…

 

[hjmick]

Oh boy...

Someone fancies themselves an intellectual and thinks they're much smarter than everyone else...

 

[Wyatt earp]

Hi all,

I am posting the below text to discuss with any of you who wish to do so, for the rest ones, do you really have to spend time and effort replying to me?
Please keep in mind that you will need to read what I wrote more than once, patiently...
...And you need to think before you reply so that we don't have to spend more time and effort than we really do.
...cause do we really have to I ask you?

Text to be discussed

Prologue

When something makes sense, it makes sense to happen again and again in reality.

When something doesn’t make sense, it isn’t worth our time and effort…cause…

…do we REALLY HAVE TO?



Generally explained…

Imagine you do the same thing with the same amount of money twice from its beginning until its end , but one of the times that it takes you more time and effort.

Would you choose again and again to do it when it takes you more time and effort to do it with the same amount of money, doing the same thing?



For example…
Imagine you order take away from the same place many times, and lately it takes longer and longer for the food to arrive, and the food may start getting a bit cold…and it doesn’t seem to be getting better in the future, but the prices don’t change…

…do you start getting a feeling this might be a waste of your time and effort or not?




Or another way said….
What is it that people wasting others’ time and effort not understanding but that exactly?

And what is it that people using money…wasting others’ time and effort not understanding but what money does when money is used sensibly?

And in the end, what is it that people don’t understand , when they hear that they have to not waste others’ time and effort when they are using money, as …

Money has to not increase the time and effort for what it is used to do, when it is used sensibly.




Or yet another way said…
When people trade with one another,

In general they do “I do this for you, you do that for me”,

And specifically whatever “this” and “that” is for the specific occasion and instance, so now…

Player do you know what money does…

Money doesn’t do what those who have money say…

Money reduces the time and effort to trade…

Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort, with their endless money stories...

Have you ever really thought of that?



Main text
In Kennyshire and Bennyshire, people are playing with money.

In Kennyshire, those who have money are playing with money, but they don't want those who don't have money to be playing with money, because those who don't have money in Kennyshire, deserve to not have money, and their entire economy is based on that.

In Bennyshire, all people are playing with money, but in order for those who don't have enough money to learn how to play with money, everyone wants those who make money to be able to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, so that they deserve the money they make, and their entire economy is based on that.

In Kennyshire, those who don't have money deserve to not have money, and as it would be sensible for all following that to do, decisions regarding money are made only by those who have money, having more money is always better than having less money for those who want more freedom to make decisions regarding money, money concentrates to those in society who want more freedom to make decisions regarding money and act accordingly to achieve that, and their entire economy is based on all of the above.


In Bennyshire, those who deserve the money they make, are able to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, and as it would be sensible for all following that to do, decisions regarding money are made according to what is common sense, having more money isn't necessarily better than having less money, as long as money concentrates somewhere in the middle of society individuals having significantly more money than the ones in the middle isn't a problem for the economy, and their entire economy is based on all the above.

In Kennyshire, those who don't have money deserve to not have money, and that is never a problem for the economy, but... as money concentrates to those who want more freedom to make decisions regarding money, the more money you have, the more freedom you have than others to make decisions regarding money, and sooner or later, for reasons of more freedom, money concentrates to only some in society and the entire economy stops working for most, until those who have money at that time start exercising their freedom to make decisions regarding money, so that the economy starts working again, after the entire economy paid the ones who had money when the economy stopped working for most but them, so that it can start working for all again...and their entire economy can't have enough of this.

In Bennyshire, those who don't have money deserve to learn from others how to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so and that is always a goal for the economy, or then it is a problem for the economy, but... as money concentrates somewhere in the middle of society, the more money you have, the more you can prove to others that you are able to make money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, and in case that it happens, for whatever reason it may happen, that money concentrates to only some in society and that the entire economy has problems for whatever reasons this may happen, those who have money at that time start proving to all who among them is good at making money again and again without wasting others time and effort doing so, and who is causing problems for the entire economy, so that the problems are solved, before the entire economy has to pay the ones who had money when the economy started having problems, as then the ones who had money at that time wouldn't really be good at making money in Bennyshire and then they wouldn't really deserve to be considered good at making money in Bennyshire...and their entire economy can't have enough of this.



Epilogues - Clarifications
when the economy isn't working for the benefit of the general population, then you have to remember that the economists also say that the economy isn't working.

Why? Because either:
1.The economists are saying that the economy is working, when it is working for the benefit of the general population.
or...
2.The economists are saying that the economy is working, when it isn't working for the benefit of the general population.
but then...
3.I can easily imagine other people who claim that the economy is working, when it is working for the benefit of the general population and are willing to make sense of the economy this way, being followed by the general population (that has happened in economic history, you can search it online...), no?




When most in the economy say
When most in the economy say that the economy is fun for most, most care for the way the economy goes…to happen again and again, or if the economy goes another way…

When most in the economy say that the economy is fun for most, most don’t care for the way the economy goes…to happen again and again, but if this is the way the economy goes…

If in the end, when most in the economy say that the economy is fun for most, most don’t care for the way the economy goes…to happen again and again, then it doesn’t seem to me that most in the economy really want the way that is fun for most to happen again and again…does it seem to you?


When most in the economy say that the economy is fun for few only, whatever way the economy goes, it is a waste of time and effort for most if it happens again and again, and most want to do something else, or if the economy goes another way…

When most in the economy say that the economy if fun for few only, whatever way the economy goes, it is not a waste of time and effort for most if it happens again and again, or most don’t want to do something else, but if this is the way the economy goes…

If in the end, when most in the economy say that the economy if fun for few only, whatever way the economy goes, it is not a waste of time and effort for most if it happens again and again, or most don’t want to do something else, then it doesn’t seem to me that most in the economy really want the way that is fun not only for few but for most to happen again and again…does it seem to you?


When most in the economy say that the economy is fun for one only, whatever way the economy goes, most say it has to not happen again, and most want to do something about it, or if the economy goes another way…

When most in the economy say that the economy is fun for one only, whatever way the economy goes, most don’t say it has to not happen again, or most don’t want to do something about it, but if this is the way that the economy goes…

If in the end, when most in the economy say that the economy is fun for one only, whatever way the economy goes, most don’t say it has to not happen again, or most don’t want to do something about it, then it doesn’t seem to me that whatever one does isn’t fun for most…does it seem to you?


When few in the economy say
When few in the economy say what money is used to do for most in reality, most in the economy don’t think that money does whatever those who have money want money to do, or if this isn’t the case in the economy….

When few in the economy say what money is used to do for most in reality, most in the economy think that money does whatever those who have money want money to do, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end, when few in the economy say what money is used to do for most in reality, most in the economy think that money does whatever those who have money want to do, then it doesn’t seem to me what money does in reality has fun consequences for most in the economy…does it seem to you?


When few in the economy say what money is used to do for few in reality, most in the economy don’t want to spend time and effort thinking about that, or if this isn’t the case in the economy…

When few in the economy say what money is used to do for few in reality, most in the economy want to spend time and effort thinking about that, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end when few in the economy say what money is used to do for few in reality, most in the economy want to spend time and effort thinking about that, then it doesn’t seem to me that few aren’t wasting most ones’ time and effort in reality…does it seem to you?


When few in the economy say what money is used to do for one in reality, one can’t think of a fun way to spend less time and effort to do what that one wants to do than what few say, or if this isn’t the case in the economy…

When few in the economy say what money is used to do for one in reality, one can think of a fun way to spend less time and effort to do what that one wants to do than what few say, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end, when few in the economy say what money is used to do for one in reality, one can think of a fun way to spend less time and effort to do what that one wants to do than what few say, then it doesn’t seem to me that one has to spend time and effort with what few say, if most would think otherwise…does it seem to you?


When one in the economy says
When one in the economy says what one wants to do with money to most, most don’t care about what one says, or if this isn’t the case in the economy…

When one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to most, most care about what one says, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end, when one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to most, most care about what one says, then it doesn’t seem to me that one is wasting time and effort for most…does it seem to you?


When one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to few ones, most can tell if that one can do what that one says, or if this isn’t the case in the economy…

When one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to few ones, most can’t tell if that one can do what that one says, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end, when one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to few ones, most can’t tell if that one can do what that one says, then it doesn’t seem to me that one isn’t wasting time and effort for few at least…does it seem to you?


When one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to another one, that particular story and its consequences in reality don’t change later, or if this isn’t the case in the economy…

When one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to another one, that particular story and its consequences in reality change later, but if this is the case in the economy…

If in the end, when one in the economy says what that one wants to do with money to another one, that particular story and its consequences in reality change later, then it doesn’t seems to me that one isn’t a waste of time and effort for another one for this particular story in reality…does it seem to you?


When no one in the economy has to say
When no one in the economy has to say what money does for everyone in reality, money reduces time and effort spend to trade in reality for everyone, or when that doesn’t happen in reality…

When no one in the economy has to say what money does for everyone in reality, money doesn’t reduce the time and effort spend to trade in reality for everyone, but if that does happen in reality…

If in the end, when no one in the economy has to say what money does for everyone in reality, money doesn’t reduce the time and effort spend to trade in reality for everyone, then it doesn’t seem to me that using money while trading isn’t a waste of time and effort for everyone…does it seem to you?




When no one writes something down for the same God as the previous ones, the previous ones didn’t write it down EXACTLY as the same God would like it to be written down, because if you really think otherwise…

When no one writes something down for the same God as the previous ones, the previous ones wrote it down EXACTLY as the same God would like it to be written down, but if you really think this is ok…

When no one writes something down for the same God as the previous ones, the previous ones wrote it down EXACTLY as the same God would like it to be written down, then it doesn’t seem to me that

GOD REALLY DIDN’T FORGET SOMETHING TO DO,

IF GOD REALLY DID EVERYTHING​

, for the next ones who would like to be able to write something down for the same God as the previous ones…does it seem to you?





When no one bets God, God doesn’t respond in reality, because if you really think otherwise…

When no one bets God, God responds in reality, but if you think this is really ok…

If in the end, when no one bets God, God responds in reality, then it doesn’t seem to me that now that I bet God that after something happens to me because of the will of one of you, that one of the rest of you lives to end everyone of you, that God will respond in time…does it seem to you?





Some of you say that money is the store of value, medium of exchange, unit of account online (Wikipedia)…

Tell that to your girlfriend/spouse/mother in law after you give her money, and the way that you do it increases the time and effort she has to spend to have fun,

Is what I say to you, and also…

You think you are funny?

Nah, you ain’t funny yet.




In the end, what’s the summary?

Nature is a lady…

Whatever we do with money, the way we do it has to not ignore the time and effort that we have to spend to do it, otherwise…

Whatever we do with money, the way we do it may ignore the time and effort that we have to spend to do it, but in this case…

If in the end, whatever we do with money, the way we do it may ignore the time and effort that we have to spend to do it, then it doesn’t seem to me that if we want to do whatever we do with money, again…and again…and…again…that we can continue to ignore the time and effort we have to spend to do it, and continue to really have fun, does it seem to you?


Justice is blind, and…

After girls, someplace sometime, have ended talking to one another and have together decided, they point out the ones who are not fun, and the rest show them how…


…MAMA in the end puts order.

All that to just say your broke?

 

[AlexandrosTsolis]

Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort, with their endless money stories...

now players...

get it?

 

[AlexandrosTsolis]

Money doesn’t do what those who have money say because...

The economy isn't working at certain points in history (you can search that online to verify if I am correct)...

When that happens, the money is concentrated to some people only, as the rest people don't have enough money so that the economy can work. (you can search that online as well...although it's not that hard to imagine that, is it really? If it is read the clarification in the end)

And here is the question, can I blame everyone who has money while the economy is not working? No, it doesn't seem to me I can...but...

...at that moment in time, when they all say "the economy isn't working now", some of the ones who have money and can make money again, because they can make money again and again ( otherwise said because they have skills, connections, experience)...

...Shouldn't the ones who are able to make money again and again, show the rest when the economy isn't working, and they...have money...while most...don't have money(a.k.a. "the economy isn't working now"), who among the ones who have money, when the economy isn't working, is really good at making money again and again, and who is just pretending like they don't understand...

Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort, with their endless money stories...

Have you ever really thought of that?


Clarification.
In order for humans to do stuff for one another, they need something that they can hope in the future can be fun, so that it makes sense for them to do it. When the economy doesn't work, due to human action:
1. The will of people to work is unlikely to change to "now that the economy doesn't work, let me lose my will to work also..", it will take quite some time keeping the economy not working for this to become likely.
2. The knowledge people have doing the things they do in the economy, also hasn't changed to "now that the economy doesn't work, let me forget all about how I know to work also", it will take quite some time keeping the economy not working for this to become likely.
3. People don't have money, and money is concentrated to some only, or else people have money and they don't want or don't know how to work, but...it will take quite some time keeping the economy not working for people to start not wanting to work or forgetting how to work, and they still won't have money...it will take much longer for that to become possible...

...but do we really have to spend all this time and effort every time the economy isn't working, because some think that money does whatever they want money to do?
Does that really make sense for the general population to consider logical to keep on doing?

 

[Woodznutz]

Money doesn’t do what those who have money say because...

The economy isn't working at certain points in history (you can search that online to verify if I am correct)...

When that happens, the money is concentrated to some people only, as the rest people don't have enough money so that the economy can work. (you can search that online as well...although it's not that hard to imagine that, is it really? If it is read the clarification in the end)

And here is the question, can I blame everyone who has money while the economy is not working? No, it doesn't seem to me I can...but...

...at that moment in time, when they all say "the economy isn't working now", some of the ones who have money and can make money again, because they can make money again and again ( otherwise said because they have skills, connections, experience)...

...Shouldn't the ones who are able to make money again and again, show the rest when the economy isn't working, and they...have money...while most...don't have money(a.k.a. "the economy isn't working now"), who among the ones who have money, when the economy isn't working, is really good at making money again and again, and who is just pretending like they don't understand...

Or we are stuck with idiots wasting our time and effort, with their endless money stories...

Have you ever really thought of that?


Clarification.
In order for humans to do stuff for one another, they need something that they can hope in the future can be fun, so that it makes sense for them to do it. When the economy doesn't work, due to human action:
1. The will of people to work is unlikely to change to "now that the economy doesn't work, let me lose my will to work also..", it will take quite some time keeping the economy not working for this to become likely.
2. The knowledge people have doing the things they do in the economy, also hasn't changed to "now that the economy doesn't work, let me forget all about how I know to work also", it will take quite some time keeping the economy not working for this to become likely.
3. People don't have money, and money is concentrated to some only, or else people have money and they don't want or don't know how to work, but...it will take quite some time keeping the economy not working for people to start not wanting to work or forgetting how to work, and they still won't have money...it will take much longer for that to become possible...

...but do we really have to spend all this time and effort every time the economy isn't working, because some think that money does whatever they want money to do?
Does that really make sense for the general population to consider logical to keep on doing?

Here's a good "money story".

"Economics" is the sowing and reaping of money from those at the top into (and out of) the general population. When the money is in the hands of the general population they have the opportunity to save and invest some instead of spending it all. Many believe they don't have enough to save and so spend it all, even borrowing more. You can't borrow and spend your way to prosperity. You must work, sacrifice, save and invest in order to prosper.