Hey cons: if your solution to the min wage issue is to tell those people...

[hadit]

Don't allow greedy white Republican dude to make all the decisions on issues like this. That's my advice to folks. Greedy white Republican dude doesn't have American Workers' best interests in mind. He only has his own in mind.

He has to be sidelined and marginalized on these kinds of issues. His hate & greed overwhelms him. He's incapable of making balanced just decisions. So don't leave it all up to him. It will only end in tears for American Workers.

Hate to bust your bubble (who am I kidding, I love it), but greedy white Republican dude IS American Worker, just as much as is greedy <can't decide which color> democrat <can't decide which gender>. When it comes to pay, they're all greedy, in case you haven't noticed.

It's mostly greedy white Republican dudes who are out to fuck American Workers over every chance he gets. They have to be sidelined and marginalized on issues like this. They're incapable of doing the right thing. Their hate & greed won't allow it. We can't afford to leave everything up to them.

Did you miss what I said? Greedy white Republican dudes ARE American Workers. I thought that was pretty clear.

 

[Markle]

FEB 18, 2016 @ 10:50 AM 1,291 VIEWS
If Harry Truman Could Double The Minimum Wage, So Can We But Let's Not

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So, 1.5 million saw their wages rise as a result of Harry’s doubling. The U.S. workforce at the time was some 60 million odd. Thus 2.5% of the workforce saw their wage change as a result of the change in the minimum. Today there’s some 4 million or so on minimum wage out of a workforce of 160 million, some 2.5% again. Thus in this method of measurement the minimum wageafter Harry’s doubling is having about the same effect as ourcurrent minimum wage before a rise.

And there are those who say that up to 40 million people would see wage rises as a result of a $15 minimum. Changing the wages of 25% of the workforce is rather less modest than changing the wages of 2.5% of it.

We can also look at this the other way. Sadly, we don’t have really good wage data for 1950, things like medians, part-time and full-time medians and so on. But hourly “average” pay was $1.25 in manufacturing. Other data says a bit higher, $1.50 to $1.60 across more industries. Which means that after Harry’s rise that minimum was a little above the 50% of manufacturing average wage level, a tad below that higher number for other industries. That is, still in what we think of as modest levels for a minimum wage and thus with modest unemployment effects. As opposed to a $15 hourly wage which is nearly 90% of my preferred median wage of today.

In short Harry Truman did indeed near double the minimum wage. And thus yes it is an interesting question to ask, why can’t we do the same, double the minimum wage? The answer to this being that Harry doubled the minimum wage up to around and about what is our current minimum wage today.

At which point we’ve the obligatory policy advice: let’s not do it.

If Harry Truman Could Double The Minimum Wage, So Can We But Let's Not

 

[Asclepias]

FEB 18, 2016 @ 10:50 AM 1,291 VIEWS
If Harry Truman Could Double The Minimum Wage, So Can We But Let's Not

[...]

So, 1.5 million saw their wages rise as a result of Harry’s doubling. The U.S. workforce at the time was some 60 million odd. Thus 2.5% of the workforce saw their wage change as a result of the change in the minimum. Today there’s some 4 million or so on minimum wage out of a workforce of 160 million, some 2.5% again. Thus in this method of measurement the minimum wageafter Harry’s doubling is having about the same effect as ourcurrent minimum wage before a rise.

And there are those who say that up to 40 million people would see wage rises as a result of a $15 minimum. Changing the wages of 25% of the workforce is rather less modest than changing the wages of 2.5% of it.

We can also look at this the other way. Sadly, we don’t have really good wage data for 1950, things like medians, part-time and full-time medians and so on. But hourly “average” pay was $1.25 in manufacturing. Other data says a bit higher, $1.50 to $1.60 across more industries. Which means that after Harry’s rise that minimum was a little above the 50% of manufacturing average wage level, a tad below that higher number for other industries. That is, still in what we think of as modest levels for a minimum wage and thus with modest unemployment effects. As opposed to a $15 hourly wage which is nearly 90% of my preferred median wage of today.

In short Harry Truman did indeed near double the minimum wage. And thus yes it is an interesting question to ask, why can’t we do the same, double the minimum wage? The answer to this being that Harry doubled the minimum wage up to around and about what is our current minimum wage today.

At which point we’ve the obligatory policy advice: let’s not do it.

If Harry Truman Could Double The Minimum Wage, So Can We But Let's Not

Whoever wrote that has terrible logic. "Lets not raise the minimum wage because we would rather have more people in poverty instead of helping some get out."

 

[Markle]

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If Obama can blame all his fuckups on Bush, then Trump can blame all his fuckups on Obama.

Fair is fair.

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Obama has nothing to do with Trumps fuckups. What are you even talking about?

Sure he does. He's been the biggest failure in U.S. history and has directly lead to Donald Trump. And rather than admitting his failures and reversing course, he doubles down on his failed policies and then blames everything on Bush. The exact opposite of what a real leader what do.

Obama has been the best POTUS this country has ever seen. Thats why he was elected twice even while being Black. Trumps fuckups were his own.

 

[Asclepias]

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If Obama can blame all his fuckups on Bush, then Trump can blame all his fuckups on Obama.

Fair is fair.

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Obama has nothing to do with Trumps fuckups. What are you even talking about?

Sure he does. He's been the biggest failure in U.S. history and has directly lead to Donald Trump. And rather than admitting his failures and reversing course, he doubles down on his failed policies and then blames everything on Bush. The exact opposite of what a real leader what do.

Obama has been the best POTUS this country has ever seen. Thats why he was elected twice even while being Black. Trumps fuckups were his own.

Youre trying too hard again.

 

[Markle]

Debt and gold are polar opposites. One has tremendous value. The other not only has no value, it is actually negative in "value". How could you take polar opposites and get the same results?

So people dont buy debts huh?

No genius. They don't. At all. What they buy are investments. Loans that will be repaid with interest. And that is where they will make their money. Nobody buys debt. Has anyone every come to your home asking to buy all of the debt you owe?!?

Not at all huh?

You do realize that loans are debts right?

Why Loans Are Sold

So tell me junior - how many people have come to your house to purchase your debt? How many?

People do not purchase "debt". They do, however, purchase loans that are set to be paid back with interest so that they can make money.

This should make me sad but youre so stupid its actually humorous.

"People do not purchase "debt""

That's foolish. Of course, people purchase debt. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac purchase mortgages daily. For your information, mortgages are the instrument used to pledge real property as security for a debt. The note is the evidence of the debt which is incorporated into the mortgage.

The mortgages are bought at a discount. A private individual, myself for example, may purchase a mortgage. If you are holding a mortgage, you can sell that instrument to someone else or those storefront second mortgage companies will buy them as well.

That is purchasing DEBT.

I am HOPING that you are simply being facetious and not really as ignorant as you appear.

 

[Markle]

Your claim was that congress didnt have the ability to mandate a federal minimum wage. United States vs Darby says its handled by the Feds. How dumb can you be to have the link posted for you and still not educate yourself?

By the way - I forgot to ask you a really important question regarding this matter. To the best of your knowledge, has there ever been a murder in the U.S.?

You sure do run scared from a lot of basic question chief. Why is that?

To the best of your knowledge, has there ever been a murder in the U.S.?

Go take a nap dude. You have work to do before you can rise to my level.

 

[Asclepias]

So people dont buy debts huh?

No genius. They don't. At all. What they buy are investments. Loans that will be repaid with interest. And that is where they will make their money. Nobody buys debt. Has anyone every come to your home asking to buy all of the debt you owe?!?

Not at all huh?

You do realize that loans are debts right?

Why Loans Are Sold

So tell me junior - how many people have come to your house to purchase your debt? How many?

People do not purchase "debt". They do, however, purchase loans that are set to be paid back with interest so that they can make money.

This should make me sad but youre so stupid its actually humorous.

"People do not purchase "debt""

That's foolish. Of course, people purchase debt. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac purchase mortgages daily. For your information, mortgages are the instrument used to pledge real property as security for a debt. The note is the evidence of the debt which is incorporated into the mortgage.

The mortgages are bought at a discount. A private individual, myself for example, may purchase a mortgage. If you are holding a mortgage, you can sell that instrument to someone else or those storefront second mortgage companies will buy them as well.

That is purchasing DEBT.

I am HOPING that you are simply being facetious and not really as ignorant as you appear.

That was great. Talk to your buddy Rottweiller. He was the one that claimed people didnt purchase debt.

 

[Markle]

..."Go to school! Learn new skills, you lazy asses!"

...then who would replace them to work in the service industry? How could those industries survive if so many of the workers make minimum wage?

Keep in mind we are including state minimum wages here - not just the federal one. Right now anyone making a state minimum wage is living in poverty. Working up to 40 hours a week Is not enough for these people to live financially stable lives.

42% of American workers make less than $15 per hour. What is your solution to helping these people out of poverty?

You people are full of bitching but you have no real solutions.

As you know, and know well the 1996 Welfare Reform Act was incredibly successful in taking people OFF the welfare rolls, away from RECEIVING taxpayer money. Those folks went ONTO the worker rolls and now being TAXPAYERS.

As you know, that was part of Newt Gingrich's Contract With America. The Welfare Reform Act was vetoed twice by then President Bill Clinton before he signed the act seeing that congress then had enough votes to overrule his third veto.

As you know too, it is Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama who intentionally CANCELLED the 1996 Welfare Reform Act with the passage of the failed, TRILLION DOLLAR STIMULUS plan and the passage of Obamacare. President Obama wants as many people as possible to be dependent on the taxpayer teat.

Does Obama’s Plan ‘Gut Welfare Reform’?

As you know well, the failed "Stimulus" and Obamacare combined, did away with Welfare reform.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Are you retarded? Is that all you know how to post, stupid and incorrect, memes?


The minimum wage was raised in 1945 to $.40 an hour and stayed at that rate until 1950. Not 1948 as your stupid , and incorrect meme suggests.

Of course, there is also the fact that the POTUS does not have the authority to set the minimum wage.

Also, anyone with a functioning brain knows that WWII led to the decrease in unemployment in this country. In fact, in 1944 unemployment was 1.4% and also, when the minimum wage increased in 1950 the unemployment rate actually went UP to 5.3%

Your entire meme was a lie you fool. LOL

 

[HappyJoy]

So, if a worker needs food stamps because their employer doesn't pay them enough, that's not corporate welfare to you?

American poors are better off? Bullshit.

A Dozen Countries Where the Poor May Be Better Off Than the United States
Per Capita Income Across the Developed World (2005 Dollars, PPP Adjusted)

Your propaganda fails HJ. This is from a government study (you know - the government - that entity which you people worship as God?)...

As scholar James Q. Wilson has stated, “The poorest Americans today live a better life than all but the richest persons a hundred years ago.”[3] In 2005, the typical household defined as poor by the government had a car and air conditioning. For entertainment, the household had two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR. If there were children, especially boys, in the home, the family had a game system, such as an Xbox or a PlayStation.[4] In the kitchen, the household had a refrigerator, an oven and stove, and a microwave. Other household conveniences included a clothes washer, clothes dryer, ceiling fans, a cordless phone, and a coffee maker.

Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?

You not trusting government statistics is not my problem.

 

[HappyJoy]

How many hours does one have to work to pay $800 for a shitty apartment?

Anyway, $7.25 a meal, x2 people x 3 meals a day. Think about it.

So the question becomes - why aren't you providing these people with jobs that make $90,000? Why are you so heartless, selfish, and greedy that you refuse to start a company and pull them out of poverty?

^lame. Demand creates jobs, not businesses.

 

[Asclepias]

..."Go to school! Learn new skills, you lazy asses!"

...then who would replace them to work in the service industry? How could those industries survive if so many of the workers make minimum wage?

Keep in mind we are including state minimum wages here - not just the federal one. Right now anyone making a state minimum wage is living in poverty. Working up to 40 hours a week Is not enough for these people to live financially stable lives.

42% of American workers make less than $15 per hour. What is your solution to helping these people out of poverty?

You people are full of bitching but you have no real solutions.

As you know, and know well the 1996 Welfare Reform Act was incredibly successful in taking people OFF the welfare rolls, away from RECEIVING taxpayer money. Those folks went ONTO the worker rolls and now being TAXPAYERS.

As you know, that was part of Newt Gingrich's Contract With America. The Welfare Reform Act was vetoed twice by then President Bill Clinton before he signed the act seeing that congress then had enough votes to overrule his third veto.

As you know too, it is Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama who intentionally CANCELLED the 1996 Welfare Reform Act with the passage of the failed, TRILLION DOLLAR STIMULUS plan and the passage of Obamacare. President Obama wants as many people as possible to be dependent on the taxpayer teat.

Does Obama’s Plan ‘Gut Welfare Reform’?

As you know well, the failed "Stimulus" and Obamacare combined, did away with Welfare reform.

Please explain that statement to me like I was a child.

 

[P@triot]

Obama has been the best POTUS this country has ever seen. Thats why he was elected twice even while being Black. Trumps fuckups were his own.

Oh yeah....forgot another one. Obama will be the ONLY president in U.S. history to not see 3% growth at least one year while in office.

 

[P@triot]

How many hours does one have to work to pay $800 for a shitty apartment?

Anyway, $7.25 a meal, x2 people x 3 meals a day. Think about it.

So the question becomes - why aren't you providing these people with jobs that make $90,000? Why are you so heartless, selfish, and greedy that you refuse to start a company and pull them out of poverty?

^lame. Demand creates jobs, not businesses.

I agree. It is lame that you refuse to do anything other than whine about it on message boards and vote for failed liberal socialist policies.

 

[Markle]

So, why do we keep raising it? I highly doubt it's about inflation. People want a full $7 raise. That wasn't prompted by inflation, but greed. Regulations mean nothing if you don't enforce them.

What is the definition of "minimum"? Is the definition "just what you want it to be"?

So, why do we keep raising it? I highly doubt it's about inflation. People want a full $7 raise. That wasn't prompted by inflation, but greed. Regulations mean nothing if you don't enforce them.

What is the definition of "minimum"? Is the definition "just what you want it to be"?

My guess is you haven't priced anything lately.

Do away with the Federal minimum wage altogether. If the states wish to have one, that's their business, as per the Constitution.

Too late. The precedent for the federal minimum wage has stood the test for more than 70 years.

How long was the precedent set for slavery before being over turned?

And besides that in point of fact, the original precedent was a ruling that the minimum wage was unconstitutional in Adkins V Children's Hospital which was then overturned in West Coast v Parrish

Thats interesting but the point remains that there is a federal minimum wage upheld by the SCOTUS for almost a century.

Plessy v. Ferguson stood for nearly a century too.

 

[Asclepias]

Obama has been the best POTUS this country has ever seen. Thats why he was elected twice even while being Black. Trumps fuckups were his own.

Oh yeah....forgot another one. Obama will be the ONLY president in U.S. history to not see 3% growth at least one year while in office.

That's foolish. Of course, people purchase debt. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac purchase mortgages daily. For your information, mortgages are the instrument used to pledge real property as security for a debt. The note is the evidence of the debt which is incorporated into the mortgage.

The mortgages are bought at a discount. A private individual, myself for example, may purchase a mortgage. If you are holding a mortgage, you can sell that instrument to someone else or those storefront second mortgage companies will buy them as well.

That is purchasing DEBT.

I am HOPING that you are simply being facetious and not really as ignorant as you appear.

 

[Asclepias]

So, why do we keep raising it? I highly doubt it's about inflation. People want a full $7 raise. That wasn't prompted by inflation, but greed. Regulations mean nothing if you don't enforce them.

What is the definition of "minimum"? Is the definition "just what you want it to be"?

My guess is you haven't priced anything lately.

Do away with the Federal minimum wage altogether. If the states wish to have one, that's their business, as per the Constitution.

Too late. The precedent for the federal minimum wage has stood the test for more than 70 years.

How long was the precedent set for slavery before being over turned?

And besides that in point of fact, the original precedent was a ruling that the minimum wage was unconstitutional in Adkins V Children's Hospital which was then overturned in West Coast v Parrish

Thats interesting but the point remains that there is a federal minimum wage upheld by the SCOTUS for almost a century.

Plessy v. Ferguson stood for nearly a century too.

Plessy v. Ferguson has nothing to do with minimum wages.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Here's my real suggestion.

Let's take a page from WWII and reboot the US economy by going full on war mode against these fucking terrorist assholes. Of course that means building up the military and those who aren't in the military getting their asses into factories to build war supplies at a pace that the enemy can't possibly hope to match, and most of these people don't want to work that hard, so it's a wasted suggestion.

 

[HappyJoy]

The republican solution is to end the minimum wage which will allow corporate America to pay pennies to our workers as they do in africa or asia.

Who in the United States is going to work for pennies?

How about hundreds of pennies per hour, does that sound better? Because it's factual and unlivable.

In other words, nobody will be working for a dollar a day like in Africa or Asia, right?

We're not going to experience a holocaust in this country either, there are still no excuses for the klan.

There are no excuses for Black Lives Matter either, but they exist in all their hate-filled fury.

They don't need excuses.