Hey cons: if your solution to the min wage issue is to tell those people...

[Markle]

Really? Did they tell you that? Because they seem extremely comfortable to me. But then again, you clearly don't let facts get in the way of your rhetoric:

As scholar James Q. Wilson has stated, “The poorest Americans today live a better life than all but the richest persons a hundred years ago.”[3] In 2005, the typical household defined as poor by the government had a car and air conditioning. For entertainment, the household had two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR. If there were children, especially boys, in the home, the family had a game system, such as an Xbox or a PlayStation.[4] In the kitchen, the household had a refrigerator, an oven and stove, and a microwave. Other household conveniences included a clothes washer, clothes dryer, ceiling fans, a cordless phone, and a coffee maker.

Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?

Yes they told me that. I work with people like that all the time. I'm not really interested in what it seems to be to you. Since I have factual first hand information your guessing is dismissed.

So your limited empirical data trumps wide ranging government studies? Yeah...ok. Can you say "desperate"? Game over. You lose.

Wide ranging government studies also say people living at or below the poverty line are uncomfortable.

Well, we certainly don't want people with no education, motivation or experience...to be UNCOMFORTABLE. MUCH better to make them comfortable in their poverty.

Benjamin Franklin

November 27-29 1766

“I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, I observed in different countries that the more public provision were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And on the contrary, the less was done for them the more they did for themselves and became richer.”

That is of course true, but has nothing to do with the minimum wage.

"That" what?

 

[HappyJoy]

How many hours does one have to work to pay $800 for a shitty apartment?

Anyway, $7.25 a meal, x2 people x 3 meals a day. Think about it.

So the question becomes - why aren't you providing these people with jobs that make $90,000? Why are you so heartless, selfish, and greedy that you refuse to start a company and pull them out of poverty?

^lame. Demand creates jobs, not businesses.

I agree. It is lame that you refuse to do anything other than whine about it on message boards and vote for failed liberal socialist policies.

That's lame too, hypocrite.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Yes they told me that. I work with people like that all the time. I'm not really interested in what it seems to be to you. Since I have factual first hand information your guessing is dismissed.

So your limited empirical data trumps wide ranging government studies? Yeah...ok. Can you say "desperate"? Game over. You lose.

Wide ranging government studies also say people living at or below the poverty line are uncomfortable.

Well, we certainly don't want people with no education, motivation or experience...to be UNCOMFORTABLE. MUCH better to make them comfortable in their poverty.

Benjamin Franklin

November 27-29 1766

“I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, I observed in different countries that the more public provision were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And on the contrary, the less was done for them the more they did for themselves and became richer.”

That is of course true, but has nothing to do with the minimum wage.

"That" what?

Franklin's quote is that that is true, and yet irrelevant to the minimum wage

 

[Asclepias]

Obama has been the best POTUS this country has ever seen. Thats why he was elected twice even while being Black. Trumps fuckups were his own.

Oh yeah....forgot another one. Obama will be the ONLY president in U.S. history to not see 3% growth at least one year while in office.

You also forgot you claimed people dont buy debt. That made my day.

 

[Asclepias]

Yes they told me that. I work with people like that all the time. I'm not really interested in what it seems to be to you. Since I have factual first hand information your guessing is dismissed.

So your limited empirical data trumps wide ranging government studies? Yeah...ok. Can you say "desperate"? Game over. You lose.

Wide ranging government studies also say people living at or below the poverty line are uncomfortable.

Well, we certainly don't want people with no education, motivation or experience...to be UNCOMFORTABLE. MUCH better to make them comfortable in their poverty.

Benjamin Franklin

November 27-29 1766

“I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, I observed in different countries that the more public provision were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And on the contrary, the less was done for them the more they did for themselves and became richer.”

That is of course true, but has nothing to do with the minimum wage.

"That" what?

Your deflection.

 

[P@triot]

Obama has been the best POTUS this country has ever seen. Thats why he was elected twice even while being Black. Trumps fuckups were his own.

Oh yeah....forgot another one. Obama will be the ONLY president in U.S. history to not see 3% growth at least one year while in office.

You also forgot you claimed people dont buy debt. That made my day.

Actually you said that! You've told us time and time again that nobody has showed up at your home and asked to give you money to assume your debts....

 

[P@triot]

How many hours does one have to work to pay $800 for a shitty apartment?

Anyway, $7.25 a meal, x2 people x 3 meals a day. Think about it.

So the question becomes - why aren't you providing these people with jobs that make $90,000? Why are you so heartless, selfish, and greedy that you refuse to start a company and pull them out of poverty?

^lame. Demand creates jobs, not businesses.

I agree. It is lame that you refuse to do anything other than whine about it on message boards and vote for failed liberal socialist policies.

That's lame too, hypocrite.

I agree....everything you're doing is lame. You cry about the problem, but you refuse to help anyone. You are a lame, disgusting, hypocrite. Or, in a nut shell, a liberal.

 

[P@triot]

So, if a worker needs food stamps because their employer doesn't pay them enough, that's not corporate welfare to you?

American poors are better off? Bullshit.

A Dozen Countries Where the Poor May Be Better Off Than the United States
Per Capita Income Across the Developed World (2005 Dollars, PPP Adjusted)

Your propaganda fails HJ. This is from a government study (you know - the government - that entity which you people worship as God?)...

As scholar James Q. Wilson has stated, “The poorest Americans today live a better life than all but the richest persons a hundred years ago.”[3] In 2005, the typical household defined as poor by the government had a car and air conditioning. For entertainment, the household had two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR. If there were children, especially boys, in the home, the family had a game system, such as an Xbox or a PlayStation.[4] In the kitchen, the household had a refrigerator, an oven and stove, and a microwave. Other household conveniences included a clothes washer, clothes dryer, ceiling fans, a cordless phone, and a coffee maker.

Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?

You not trusting government statistics is not my problem.

Yeah....uh....I proved the government statistics. You choose to ignore them because - well - ignoring facts and reality is just what liberals do.

 

[P@triot]

Do away with the Federal minimum wage altogether. If the states wish to have one, that's their business, as per the Constitution.

Too late. The precedent for the federal minimum wage has stood the test for more than 70 years.

How long was the precedent set for slavery before being over turned?

And besides that in point of fact, the original precedent was a ruling that the minimum wage was unconstitutional in Adkins V Children's Hospital which was then overturned in West Coast v Parrish

Thats interesting but the point remains that there is a federal minimum wage upheld by the SCOTUS for almost a century.

Plessy v. Ferguson stood for nearly a century too.

Plessy v. Ferguson has nothing to do with minimum wages.

You continue to run from basic questions like a coward. Why is that? Has there ever been a murder in the U.S.? Yes or No? What exactly are you so afraid of junior?

 

[Markle]

The Recession of 1949 was a downturn in the United States lasting for 11 months. According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the recession began in November 1948 and lasted until October 1949.[1]

 

[P@triot]

Please explain that statement to me like I was a child.

I've been doing that all day....because you are one

 

[P@triot]

No genius. They don't. At all. What they buy are investments. Loans that will be repaid with interest. And that is where they will make their money. Nobody buys debt. Has anyone every come to your home asking to buy all of the debt you owe?!?

Not at all huh?

You do realize that loans are debts right?

Why Loans Are Sold

So tell me junior - how many people have come to your house to purchase your debt? How many?

People do not purchase "debt". They do, however, purchase loans that are set to be paid back with interest so that they can make money.

This should make me sad but youre so stupid its actually humorous.

"People do not purchase "debt""

That's foolish. Of course, people purchase debt. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac purchase mortgages daily. For your information, mortgages are the instrument used to pledge real property as security for a debt. The note is the evidence of the debt which is incorporated into the mortgage.

The mortgages are bought at a discount. A private individual, myself for example, may purchase a mortgage. If you are holding a mortgage, you can sell that instrument to someone else or those storefront second mortgage companies will buy them as well.

That is purchasing DEBT.

I am HOPING that you are simply being facetious and not really as ignorant as you appear.

That was great. Talk to your buddy Rottweiller. He was the one that claimed people didnt purchase debt.

They don't. They purchase investment loans you moron. You're the genius who said that (and I quote) "the U.S. monetary system is backed by debt"

Then of course I post link after link showing you how stupid you are and you run like a little girl.

 

[Asclepias]

Actually you said that! You've told us time and time again that nobody has showed up at your home and asked to give you money to assume your debts....

Sorry dummy. Even your buddy Markle said you were a fool. I have your quote making the claim that nobody buys debt.

No genius. They don't. At all. What they buy are investments. Loans that will be repaid with interest. And that is where they will make their money. Nobody buys debt. Has anyone every come to your home asking to buy all of the debt youowe?!?

 

[Markle]

How many hours does one have to work to pay $800 for a shitty apartment?

Anyway, $7.25 a meal, x2 people x 3 meals a day. Think about it.

So the question becomes - why aren't you providing these people with jobs that make $90,000? Why are you so heartless, selfish, and greedy that you refuse to start a company and pull them out of poverty?

^lame. Demand creates jobs, not businesses.

 

[Markle]

So your limited empirical data trumps wide ranging government studies? Yeah...ok. Can you say "desperate"? Game over. You lose.

Wide ranging government studies also say people living at or below the poverty line are uncomfortable.

Well, we certainly don't want people with no education, motivation or experience...to be UNCOMFORTABLE. MUCH better to make them comfortable in their poverty.

Benjamin Franklin

November 27-29 1766

“I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, I observed in different countries that the more public provision were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And on the contrary, the less was done for them the more they did for themselves and became richer.”

That is of course true, but has nothing to do with the minimum wage.

"That" what?

Franklin's quote is that that is true, and yet irrelevant to the minimum wage

 

[Skull Pilot]

..."Go to school! Learn new skills, you lazy asses!"

...then who would replace them to work in the service industry? How could those industries survive if so many of the workers make minimum wage?

Keep in mind we are including state minimum wages here - not just the federal one. Right now anyone making a state minimum wage is living in poverty. Working up to 40 hours a week Is not enough for these people to live financially stable lives.

42% of American workers make less than $15 per hour. What is your solution to helping these people out of poverty?

You people are full of bitching but you have no real solutions.

15 an hour is above the poverty line
Funny how when my wife and I were only making about 32K a year each we weren't starving. We both had cars and a place to live and we weren't on assistance

And if working 40 hours a week doesn't earn you enough to pay your bills then work more

Could it be that when you were making 32K a year it was the previous century?

Nope early 2000s

 

[Asclepias]

..."Go to school! Learn new skills, you lazy asses!"

...then who would replace them to work in the service industry? How could those industries survive if so many of the workers make minimum wage?

Keep in mind we are including state minimum wages here - not just the federal one. Right now anyone making a state minimum wage is living in poverty. Working up to 40 hours a week Is not enough for these people to live financially stable lives.

42% of American workers make less than $15 per hour. What is your solution to helping these people out of poverty?

You people are full of bitching but you have no real solutions.

15 an hour is above the poverty line
Funny how when my wife and I were only making about 32K a year each we weren't starving. We both had cars and a place to live and we weren't on assistance

And if working 40 hours a week doesn't earn you enough to pay your bills then work more

Could it be that when you were making 32K a year it was the previous century?

Nope early 2000s

You must be a hill billy then.

 

[Asclepias]

Not at all huh?

You do realize that loans are debts right?

Why Loans Are Sold

So tell me junior - how many people have come to your house to purchase your debt? How many?

People do not purchase "debt". They do, however, purchase loans that are set to be paid back with interest so that they can make money.

This should make me sad but youre so stupid its actually humorous.

"People do not purchase "debt""

That's foolish. Of course, people purchase debt. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac purchase mortgages daily. For your information, mortgages are the instrument used to pledge real property as security for a debt. The note is the evidence of the debt which is incorporated into the mortgage.

The mortgages are bought at a discount. A private individual, myself for example, may purchase a mortgage. If you are holding a mortgage, you can sell that instrument to someone else or those storefront second mortgage companies will buy them as well.

That is purchasing DEBT.

I am HOPING that you are simply being facetious and not really as ignorant as you appear.

That was great. Talk to your buddy Rottweiller. He was the one that claimed people didnt purchase debt.

They don't. They purchase investment loans you moron. You're the genius who said that (and I quote) "the U.S. monetary system is backed by debt"

Then of course I post link after link showing you how stupid you are and you run like a little girl.

What is a loan genius?

 

[P@triot]

So tell me junior - how many people have come to your house to purchase your debt? How many?

People do not purchase "debt". They do, however, purchase loans that are set to be paid back with interest so that they can make money.

This should make me sad but youre so stupid its actually humorous.

"People do not purchase "debt""

That's foolish. Of course, people purchase debt. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac purchase mortgages daily. For your information, mortgages are the instrument used to pledge real property as security for a debt. The note is the evidence of the debt which is incorporated into the mortgage.

The mortgages are bought at a discount. A private individual, myself for example, may purchase a mortgage. If you are holding a mortgage, you can sell that instrument to someone else or those storefront second mortgage companies will buy them as well.

That is purchasing DEBT.

I am HOPING that you are simply being facetious and not really as ignorant as you appear.

That was great. Talk to your buddy Rottweiller. He was the one that claimed people didnt purchase debt.

They don't. They purchase investment loans you moron. You're the genius who said that (and I quote) "the U.S. monetary system is backed by debt"

Then of course I post link after link showing you how stupid you are and you run like a little girl.

What is a loan genius?

Your debt, stupid... And nobody comes to you and buys that from you. Instead, they buy the investment loan from the bank (which is not the banks debt - the bank already gave you money - they don't owe you, you owe them).

Good grief you are one dumb little monkey...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

..."Go to school! Learn new skills, you lazy asses!"

...then who
w could those industries survive if so many of the workers make minimum wage?

Keep in mind we are including state minimum wages here - not just the federal one. Right now anyone making a state minimum wage is living in poverty. Working up to 40 hours a week Is not enough for these people to live financially stable lives.

42% of American workers make less than $15 per hour. What is your solution to helping these people out of poverty?

You people are full of bitching but you have no real solutions.

Who would replace them to work in the service industry?

Unemployed teenagers. ....

.

How about you actually make an attempt at learning facts? 42% of American workers make less 15 per hour. 20 million alone make less 10.

Those are either functionally illiterate or terminally bewildered.