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This is why we don't have any respect for you stupid Moon Bats. You always go into your denial mode when Liberal polices fail.
You assholes knew it was the Democrat CRA that cause the economy bust in 2008 and you shitheads controlled Congress but being the partisan assholes you are you came up with some stupid idea to blame Bush.
But the Democratic Party isn't moving Left, or so I'm told.
What was he thinking? Doesn't he know what has happened to his party?
Hickenlooper Booed When He Tells California Democrats Socialism 'Is Not The Answer' | HuffPost
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2008 was caused by allowing unchecked greed to be confused with a solid economyYes, under-regulations can be a very bad thing, as we clearly saw in the years leading up the Meltdown in 2008. I'll be more than happy to provide some examples upon request; I'll just take them from the seminar I do on the topic.No, I wasn't planning on it. That's just hyperbole on your part poorly disguised as a serious question.Goofball!
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So you are seriously going to argue that Republicans want anarchy, and that they are ruining the economy because they don't expand welfare and increase regulations?
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At least don't act like low regulations are a bad thing. It is also interesting that you think Republicans mock the lower economic class. I don't know about everyone else, but it is my view that you give everyone a chance to succeed. I don't see that as mocking. Also, we already have medicare, medicaid, and disability. I'm not sure how lower economic classes are being mistreated.
And yes, mocking would include calling people "freeloaders", which we see on this site and in conservative media with great regularity.
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2008 was caused by allowing unchecked greed to be confused with a solid economyYes, under-regulations can be a very bad thing, as we clearly saw in the years leading up the Meltdown in 2008. I'll be more than happy to provide some examples upon request; I'll just take them from the seminar I do on the topic.No, I wasn't planning on it. That's just hyperbole on your part poorly disguised as a serious question.So you are seriously going to argue that Republicans want anarchy, and that they are ruining the economy because they don't expand welfare and increase regulations?
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At least don't act like low regulations are a bad thing. It is also interesting that you think Republicans mock the lower economic class. I don't know about everyone else, but it is my view that you give everyone a chance to succeed. I don't see that as mocking. Also, we already have medicare, medicaid, and disability. I'm not sure how lower economic classes are being mistreated.
And yes, mocking would include calling people "freeloaders", which we see on this site and in conservative media with great regularity.
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2008 was caused by runaway corruption. And, as I am sure you are aware of, of the three "God-head" of the housing crises, 2 were Democrats.
1) Larry Summers "King of the Derivatives" - it was Larry Summers who pressured the Fed/Clinton White House to remove the derivative markets from SEC over watch and wholesale deregulation of these markets. This was the very vehicle investment banks used to break mortgage securities into 1,000's of pieces to be traded. (Larry Summers himself made $millions in the very markets he deregulated.)
2) Robert Rubin He was instrumental in the smoke and mirror tactics used by the Clinton White House in their constant denial of the looming crises. It is absolutely impossible that he did not know the markets were in a dramatic bubble...but continued to make $millions of these markets and conveniently sheltered his investments before the collapse occurred.
Larry Summers, IMO, is the most corrupt official in modern history. I can't think of anyone who was more corrupt than him. And OBAMA SOUGHT TO MAKE HIM SECY TREASURY.
An adhom attack, so original and innovative. I know, call me a gaywad next, it'll make your argument so much stronger.No, dummy, it means that I've actually gotten out of the basement and done stuff, unlike you who lives in someone's basement wanking off to Hentai.
So, you understand that a conspiracy isn't controversial, because that's exactly what that is. An organization planning something in secret. So, you ACKNOWLEDGE that calling something a conspiracy is not an argument and does not discredit the notion.I'm sure the government keeps all sorts of secrets from me... and I'm kind of fine with that. If I don't need to know, I make sure no one tells me. But when you Sandy Hook nuts try to claim that the government staged and elaborate hoax for... um reasons, and the NRA was in on it, that's just.. silly.
Making Dale Smith seem sane isn't an accomplishment.
Except gun legislation makes it harder to get guns, otherwise the legislation wouldn't exist. I even showed you the legislation that they helped write, and you're totally ignoring that. As with the last time you brought this up, you're totally misrepresenting the argument, you're constructing a strawman. One of the pieces of legislation they supported was the Red Flag Law introduced by Marco Rubio, which is meant to make it easier to take guns away from people.Uh, yeah, the gun lobby writes legislation to make it easy for people to get guns, when most of us think it should be HARD to get a gun. The thing is, the government isn't monopolizing guns. They are justmaking half-assed efforts to keep them out of the hands of crazies like most of the NRA membership.
Government regulations naturally make it more difficult to conduct business, and make production and distribution more expensive. This has an adverse effect on smaller businesses, due to being less established and having less money available. This causes the cost of products to increase, which hurts consumers, making fewer products available to lower income families. This is only worsened by the fact that regulations include red tape which prevents competitors from entering the markets.Horseshit. Government regulation protects consumers. The problem is, the banks spend a lot of money watering down legislation as much as they can. Banking SHOULD be boring. After the 1929 Depression, we wrote a bunch of very sensible laws to keep the banks from doing what they did. Yes, the banks were insured, but they were also regulated.
Kind of like any other sensible insurance plan. You don't take unnecessary risks.
The problem was that from 1980 onwards, the GOP has worked very hard to undo those regulations, and 1990 and 2008 were the results.
An adhom attack, so original and innovative. I know, call me a gaywad next, it'll make your argument so much stronger.
So, you understand that a conspiracy isn't controversial, because that's exactly what that is. An organization planning something in secret. So, you ACKNOWLEDGE that calling something a conspiracy is not an argument and does not discredit the notion.
Calling people nuts and completely ignoring the argument surrounding the claim only looks like an admission that you don't have an argument against the notion, since if you did, you wouldn't have to keep misrepresenting the argument.
Except gun legislation makes it harder to get guns, otherwise the legislation wouldn't exist. I even showed you the legislation that they helped write, and you're totally ignoring that. As with the last time you brought this up, you're totally misrepresenting the argument, you're constructing a strawman. One of the pieces of legislation they supported was the Red Flag Law introduced by Marco Rubio, which is meant to make it easier to take guns away from people.
They are monopolizing guns, because as previously demonstrated directly to you, numerous times, gun laws do not work,
Government regulations naturally make it more difficult to conduct business, and make production and distribution more expensive. This has an adverse effect on smaller businesses, due to being less established and having less money available. This causes the cost of products to increase, which hurts consumers, making fewer products available to lower income families. This is only worsened by the fact that regulations include red tape which prevents competitors from entering the markets.
In days with fewer regulations, insurance didn't exist, because products were cheap enough that it wasn't in demand. Government regulation literally created demand for that industry, due to cost of living becoming more expensive.
The GOP does not try to remove Regulations, that claim is outright false. Regulations increase regardless of which party is in control, because they're both exactly the same outside of how they present themselves.
Summers and Rubin convinced Clinton to go along with, and sign, the repeal of Glass Steagall.2008 was caused by allowing unchecked greed to be confused with a solid economyYes, under-regulations can be a very bad thing, as we clearly saw in the years leading up the Meltdown in 2008. I'll be more than happy to provide some examples upon request; I'll just take them from the seminar I do on the topic.No, I wasn't planning on it. That's just hyperbole on your part poorly disguised as a serious question.So you are seriously going to argue that Republicans want anarchy, and that they are ruining the economy because they don't expand welfare and increase regulations?
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At least don't act like low regulations are a bad thing. It is also interesting that you think Republicans mock the lower economic class. I don't know about everyone else, but it is my view that you give everyone a chance to succeed. I don't see that as mocking. Also, we already have medicare, medicaid, and disability. I'm not sure how lower economic classes are being mistreated.
And yes, mocking would include calling people "freeloaders", which we see on this site and in conservative media with great regularity.
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2008 was caused by runaway corruption. And, as I am sure you are aware of, of the three "God-head" of the housing crises, 2 were Democrats.
1) Larry Summers "King of the Derivatives" - it was Larry Summers who pressured the Fed/Clinton White House to remove the derivative markets from SEC over watch and wholesale deregulation of these markets. This was the very vehicle investment banks used to break mortgage securities into 1,000's of pieces to be traded. (Larry Summers himself made $millions in the very markets he deregulated.)
2) Robert Rubin He was instrumental in the smoke and mirror tactics used by the Clinton White House in their constant denial of the looming crises. It is absolutely impossible that he did not know the markets were in a dramatic bubble...but continued to make $millions of these markets and conveniently sheltered his investments before the collapse occurred.
Larry Summers, IMO, is the most corrupt official in modern history. I can't think of anyone who was more corrupt than him. And OBAMA SOUGHT TO MAKE HIM SECY TREASURY.
I guess having good artwork for my Avatar makes me a deviant. Best warn everyone else on the forum, champ.Naw, man, your AVI is a dead giveaway to your deviations.
You, once again, misrepresented the arguing. This kind of hints that you're fully aware you're wrong and don't care. I guess you really get off on being a dishonest snake.Naw, Hentai Row, there's a big difference between realizing the government has to keep secrets to protect the people who do the hard work of safeguarding the rest of us, and thinking that there's a vast conspiracy to fake a mass shooting for...um... reasons. (I've yet to hear a Sandy Hoaxer tell me me why the government went through all this trouble.)
For instance, I really don't need to know the mechanical workings of the F-35. That's a secret. I'm good with that.
But if you are going to claim that hard working first responders who had the worst day of their life in Sandy Hook were all "Faking it", you'd better give me a damned good reason why they did it. Otherwise, I'll just put you in with the flat earthers and other nuts. Actually, you are a little worse than that, because the Flat Earthers, for all their stupidity, aren't malicious.
Once again, since this seems to fly over your head every time, Gun Monopolization only results in "law"-abiding citizens having a harder time getting firearms through legal channels, it in no way stops anyone who doesn't care about the law. You can see this with drugs, you just choose to ignore it because you're a dishonest snake and it goes against the narrative you're pushing.Holy shit, seriously? SOME PEOPLE NEED THEIR GUNS TAKEN AWAY!!!! I'm sorry you don't get this. The problem is, it's too easy for these people to get guns to start with, which is why we have 34,000 gun deaths every year.
Gun Laws do not work in any of the above, because once again, there is literally no way to prevent people from constructing their own guns or buying them off the black market, this is why they're referred to as "untraceable ghost guns". Not only did you claim they work in those places without demonstrating this claim, you neglected to explain how they supposedly work. Another case of you completely fabricating claims.Gun Laws work just fine in Japan, Germany, Italy, the UK, Canada, etc. ONLY the United States has the high-octane crazy of "We are going to let you own a gun because the Founding Fathers said something about militias"
If a business were selling defective products, nobody would by from them and their business would go under. There's no demand for salmonella or botulism-ridden food, therefor any services which sell such food would go under, resulting in a loss on their investment. There's an entire industry for testing products, to ensure quality, and there's competition in that industry, unlike the FDA, which makes its money regardless of performance. I'd be amazed that this is a foreign concept to you, but you've proved to lack basic understanding of the market and the forces therein. All the FDA does is couple itself with patents and copyright in order to gatekeep products and services, increasing prices.Again, government regulations make sure that some fly-by-night operator isn't selling me defective products or incompetent services. These are GOOD things. I kind of like the fact that I can go to the store today, and the meat won't give me botulism or salmonella because, hey, the USDA and FDA put on regulations and inspections.
You did literally nothing to back up that claim, you merely claimed it and moved on. You didn't specify a time period, nor a reason, you merely claimed it and hoped everyone would accept it.Okay, let's look at that. Before we had an FDA, it was very common for "snake oil salesmen" to sell people cocaine laced home remedies that boy, made people feel better, but had absolutely no medical value.
Before we had a FSLIC and FDIC and Federal Reserve, you had banks that routinely ripped people off. My very favorite story was the Kirkland Bank Scam, run by Joseph Smith and the Mormon Church, which filled strongboxes full of sand, and spread a layer of gold coins on top to convince stupid people to deposit their money while they were issued worthless gold certificates.
Except both parties are exactly the same, and both work for the Government, in the interests of the Government. The only difference is that the Republicans pretend they're for less Government, while the Democrats don't even pretend. It's another case of pretending your preferred party is totally innocent, while projecting all of its flaws onto the other.Oh, I agree, entirely. Regulations increase when the GOP is charge because they are taking care of their corporate masters. That doesn't mean we don't need regulations.
I guess having good artwork for my Avatar makes me a deviant. Best warn everyone else on the forum, champ.
The fact that you do this in place of an argument only shows you're not arguing in good faith.
Since you're avoiding mentioning it, I'll go ahead and state it for the audience; Much like what was planned for Operation Northwoods, the Government tends to stage false flags in order to progress its agenda.
Other people WOULD need to know the inner workings of the F-35, not knowing doesn't help anyone, and knowing could result in innovation. For example, the GPS when released to the public, became what we know it as today, for helping people find their destinations.
Once again, since this seems to fly over your head every time, Gun Monopolization only results in "law"-abiding citizens having a harder time getting firearms through legal channels, it in no way stops anyone who doesn't care about the law.
un Laws do not work in any of the above, because once again, there is literally no way to prevent people from constructing their own guns or buying them off the black market, this is why they're referred to as "untraceable ghost guns". Not only did you claim they work in those places without demonstrating this claim, you neglected to explain how they supposedly work. Another case of you completely fabricating claims.
When was this rampant fake service and product-providing? Could it have been before word spread through the internet that products were bad? Could it have been when the Government was literally outlawing competition during the "Gilded Age"? If either one of those is what you're referring to, I just refuted both arguments, as one way it's the Government's doing, again, and the other we've already innovated that problem out of existence, outside of Government interference undermining the will of consumers.
With the existence of all three of those, we already STILL have scams, and a lot of them are perpetrated by the Government, such as Social Security, which is a literal ponzi scheme. The existence of the American Dollar, which is actually worthless, and after its creation, gold and silver were confiscated by the Federal Government. Oh, and also every single social program that the Government is a part of. The difference is that it's the fault of the person getting scammed if they fall for it voluntarily, while in the case of the Government, they're coerced into it. The only difference now is that we have scams the Government approves of instead.
'Your mother is so fat, when she sits around the house, she REALLY sits around the house.'Naw, man, tells me what I need to know. You weigh 400 lbs and wank off to Hentai.
The operation being proposed 60 years ago really doesn't mean anything, the fact that it was proposed at all, and the person who said no ended up dead, tells us all we need to know about the official narrative. There's also the inconsistencies you failed to address every time I bring up ChurchChrist and Boarderline. Calling someone crazy doesn't refute their argument, it's just an adhom attack, which is all you seem to have.Okay, I really don't need to rehash your fucking crazy. Operation Northwoods wasn't what you crazies claim it was. It was also 60 years ago...
Except letting the schematics into the private sector would only result in better designs. Much like with open source programs. The recent situation with Brave showed that if a program is closed-source, it always has something to hide, because open source programs have bugs fixed usually in a week at most. Designs for physical things are the same way; If more people have access to it, those who are strong in the field and have a passion for it will improve it.I'd be more worried about people being able to shoot it down. It's a need to know situation, and you don't need to know.
Except no, the point you keep ignoring is that it only makes it hard for those that follow the law. People can literally print guns, and they were already easy to build before that. You consistently ignore this because, even if gun control was ever effective, and it wasn't, it shows that people with no skills in gun construction can just find the schematics online, which takes 30 seconds, and print them. Your Government is not omnipotent, they can only track those who aren't trying to avoid it. All gun monopolization does is create more victims.One more time, dummy. IT SHOULD BE HARD TO GET A GUN. It should be VERY VERY HARD. Before the Army gave me a gun, they did a massive background check, they gave my psychological and aptitude tests, and then they made sure I had a lot of training.
I already proved that it's not hard for criminals to get guns, only "law"-abiding citizens.Most gun violence is not criminals, its suicides, domestic violence and accidents. If we could just concentrate on the few thousand criminal gun homicides, made a lot less because it's now harder for those guys to get guns, the police could do more prevention and less damage control. What a concept.
Gun deaths means literally nothing, it's crime rates that matter. The term "Gun Death" or "Gun Violence" was purely constructed to carry a narrative, not to actually measure an activity. For example, as you just mentioned actually, in America, it includes suicides and accidents. Similarly, "School Shooting" also includes people killing themselves in the parking lot of a school, even though there are no victims. Specifying "Gun Deaths" excludes all other forms of crime, despite the fact that the goal of unholy crusade is supposedly to create less overall victims, supposedly not to disarm innocent people.Japan had 3 gun homicides in 2017.
The United States had close to 15,000.
Gun Deaths Increased in 2017, Gun Violence Archive Data Show
Gun control works just fine.
So, no citations for your claim regarding rampant fake services and products, noted.yeah, here's the problem with that. I could make Dr. Mike's Snake Oil look like the best product in the world. All I have to do is create a lot of fake internet profiles and then write a lot of really wonderful reviews about how it changed my life. By the time the internet caught up with me, all I would have to do is start a new Product called "Dr. Joe's Wonder Cure" that's really the same fucking snake oil in a new label. What keeps me from doing that is the FDA would put a stop to it if what I was selling was truly dangerous.
So, you have a dream of herding everyone who disagrees with you into camps and blocking them off from resources, and only letting them out if they're adversely affected by your extortion.I have this dream... that we take all the libertarian assholes. Put a Trumpian Fence around one of the square states. They only get out if they sign a paper to pay a much higher tax rate and stop bitching about the government. Otherwise, they pretty much stay in the square, and whatever abuse they inflict on each other is totally not my problem.
Neutral Moresnet, The Republic of Cospaia, Early Pennsylvania, Medieval Ireland. Just for a few examples, since you never bothered to educate yourself on the subject.If Libertarianism is such a wonderful idea, why has it NEVER, EVER been tried. I mean, even the bad ideas like Communism and Fascism get a workout.
Back in 1933 when Social Security started, the average life expectancy in the US was 62 years. The fact that your grandma didn't starve after retirement meant by 1965, the average life expectancy increased to 70. Thanks to Medicare given her access to health care the average life expectancy is now close to 80. So, yeah, SS is having money problems, partially because people are living longer, partially because the Republicans looted the social security trust fund to pay for wars and tax cuts for rich people. (As opposed to the Sainted FDR, who paid for a war by taxing the shit out of rich people, which is the proper way to do it.)
I have pretty much the same dream, but I'd REALLY like to stop you tards from leaving the shitholes you've created, and stop you from moving to our low tax states. You destroy everywhere you gain political power.I have this dream... that we take all the libertarian assholes. Put a Trumpian Fence around one of the square states. They only get out if they sign a paper to pay a much higher tax rate and stop bitching about the government. Otherwise, they pretty much stay in the square, and whatever abuse they inflict on each other is totally not my problem
he operation being proposed 60 years ago really doesn't mean anything, the fact that it was proposed at all, and the person who said no ended up dead, tells us all we need to know about the official narrative. There's also the inconsistencies you failed to address every time I bring up ChurchChrist and Boarderline. Calling someone crazy doesn't refute their argument, it's just an adhom attack, which is all you seem to have.
So, you have a dream of herding everyone who disagrees with you into camps and blocking them off from resources, and only letting them out if they're adversely affected by your extortion.
That's just a typical statist, they all dream like that. Otherwise, they wouldn't attempt to use Government power to force their whims on others.
So, no citations for your claim regarding rampant fake services and products, noted.
And yet you areYou know what, I'm on fucking vacation, I don't have the patience to deal with this today
Actually, that's called innovation. Life expectancy has always trended upwards, due to innovation resulting in better quality of life, safer equipment, more advanced self defense tools, etc. There's literally nothing to indicate that the Government stealing your money for a ponzi scheme results in better life expectancy, it just didn't cause it to trend back downwards. Life expectancy increases by about 2-5 years every ten years.
I have pretty much the same dream, but I'd REALLY like to stop you tards from leaving the shitholes you've created, and stop you from moving to our low tax states. You destroy everywhere you gain political power.
I thought you were on vacation.Actually, that's called innovation. Life expectancy has always trended upwards, due to innovation resulting in better quality of life, safer equipment, more advanced self defense tools, etc. There's literally nothing to indicate that the Government stealing your money for a ponzi scheme results in better life expectancy, it just didn't cause it to trend back downwards. Life expectancy increases by about 2-5 years every ten years.
Wow, you repeated my point and tried to spin it as an original idea.
Um, yeah, not eating dog food and being able to see a doctor really does contribute to people living longer. I know this is a difficult concept for a Liber-retard to grasp, as you guys think civilization happens through magic fairy dust.
I have pretty much the same dream, but I'd REALLY like to stop you tards from leaving the shitholes you've created, and stop you from moving to our low tax states. You destroy everywhere you gain political power.
Buddy, your "low tax states" are being subsidized by the feds. People in CA, NY, and IL only see 70 cents on the dollar returned to their states in Federal spending, while states like AL, MS and MT get more back than they send. They also have more people on welfare.
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The chance had likely passed, not going along with the plan doesn't prove that similar plans hadn't taken place, especially given the ChurchChrist and Boarderline inconsistencies, it's pretty clear false flags still take place, only reinforced by information being taken down by the Government.Well, the problem with that bit of crazy is that they would have talked the next guy into going along with it.... Since we didn't invade Cuba in 1964 after some false flag attacks, that tells me that the plan was never taken that seriously.. Maybe they just did it knowing the crazies would still be talking about it. . Kind of like Roswell.
Government can't create resources, it only takes them. They're literally incapable of creating or properly allocating anything. Resources are natural to the earth, and if kept in one small area, would run out. Not for lack of Government, but from your ability to relocate and search elsewhere being impaired.Wow- yeah, where do resources come from? They come from government creating the stability to produce them.
THis isn't complicated.
Established history has examples. It's not from "Everyone knows", it's from being able to cite specific events and results that support it happening.Um, yeah, next you'll be asking me to prove World War II happened. I don't need citations for established history.
That's not the reason the FDA was created, and if this was considered a problem, people would stop buying it. Once again, there's an entire industry for proving the authenticity of products, AND we have the internet now, where it's even easier to verify this. I actually refuted this claim in the post before last, where I specified that if it took place in a time there was no internet, the issue has already been innovated out of existence. Even if there was EVER a need for the FDA, and there isn't because they're the reason medicine is so expensive, the problem was solved through the internet. You know, if we ignore the Product Testing Industry.Also, do some fucking research. The reason why the FDA was established was because they were selling Cocaine as kid's medicine.
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You know what, I'm on fucking vacation, I don't have the patience to deal with this today.
Wow, you repeated my point and tried to spin it as an original idea.
People are fully capable of saving money for themselves to prevent both, and actually the second problem is caused by the Government's interference in the medical industry making it more expensive. I'm also pretty sure greater medical knowledge, better medical equipment, better household appliances, better and safer transportation, all contributed to people living longer, not Government, since once again, they only cause people to have less money and get less for that money, due to the Economic Calculation Problem preventing people from getting equivalent exchange for their money.Um, yeah, not eating dog food and being able to see a doctor really does contribute to people living longer. I know this is a difficult concept for a Liber-retard to grasp, as you guys think civilization happens through magic fairy dust.
I thought you were on vacation.
Accept the beating you took like a man and enjoy your vacation
Established history has examples. I
That's not the reason the FDA was created, and if this was considered a problem, people would stop buying it. Once again, there's an entire industry for proving the authenticity of products, AND we have the internet now, where it's even easier to verify this.
Anyway, what I said was that YES, people have been living longer, however this trend was happening before Social Security, if you bother to check my citations.
People are fully capable of saving money for themselves to prevent both, and actually the second problem is caused by the Government's interference in the medical industry making it more expensive. I'm also pretty sure greater medical knowledge, better medical equipment, better household appliances, better and safer transportation, all contributed to people living longer, not Government, since once again, they only cause people to have less money and get less for that money, due to the Economic Calculation Problem preventing people from getting equivalent exchange for their money.
You gave me one example, and didn't even say that it didn't solve toothaches. This wasn't a case of fraud.Um, yeah, I gave you one... They used to give Cocaine to kids as toothache medicine. That's what happpens when you don't have standards.
I could ask you the same thing, but it would be an insult to retards.Are you truly some kind of a retard. THe FDA was established EXACTLY for this reason. And, no, magic fairy market forces wouldn't have fixed the problem. The thing about these quack medicines is that they were so popular because they made people feel AWESOME!!!! They were actually bad for them, but they made people feel awesome.
So much to unpack here.I don't check citations from Crazy People. Not worth my fucking time. No, a population of people who live into their 80's is a new thing, brought to us by the fact that we support them now with SS and Medicare. This is a good thing, if you are a decent person.
Oh, look, not a single citation to support this baseless claim.Here's the problem with THAT little bit of stupidity. The countries with stronger welfare states than ours have even longer life expectencies than we do. Meanwhile, the third world where they don't have these kinds of programs... people don't live as long.
Again, the problem with a Libertarian... they love civilization, they hate the heavy lifting.
