Hitler and the right

[Ravi]

One of the Left's Big Lie's is that Hitler wasn't one of their very own.

Ya..like Henry Ford was one of thier very own. Frankie you need mental help.

I keep waiting to hear that you have gone postal and taken out the FDR library or something..

heh, I should have had him in my OP.

 

[Ravi]

Damn, I forgot to include the British Fascists, too, another rightwing group that supported fascism.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Don't forget

many Progressives. left and right
were fascinated with Fascism and Progressive leaders desperate
to get out of the Great Depression looked at their big gov't ways for guidance

Of course and for good reason, the people tried to distance themselves from their early fascination with Fascism with the war and the aftermath.

For example
FDR said:

There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.​

Comment in early 1933 about Benito Mussolini to US Ambassador to Italy Breckinridge Long, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

I don't mind telling you in confidence that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.​

Comment on Benito Mussolini in 1933, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

Mussolini himself praised the New Deal as following his own corporate state, as quoted in a July 1933 article in the New York Times,

"Your plan for coordination of industry follows precisely our lines of cooperation."​

Which makes sense since the NRA, with its regulations and industry organizations, was nothing more than another creature of the left- corporatism.

Two fascists leaders admiring FDR's economic policies
Funny how that works...


No need to thank me

 

[L.K.Eder]

ravi, next time you need to put in subparagraphs

1.

a.

b.

c.

 

[Ravi]

Don't forget

many Progressives. left and right
were fascinated with Fascism and Progressive leaders desperate
to get out of the Great Depression looked at their big gov't ways for guidance

Of course and for good reason, the people tried to distance themselves from their early fascination with Fascism with the war and the aftermath.

For example
FDR said:

There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.​

Comment in early 1933 about Benito Mussolini to US Ambassador to Italy Breckinridge Long, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

I don't mind telling you in confidence that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.​

Comment on Benito Mussolini in 1933, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

Mussolini himself praised the New Deal as following his own corporate state, as quoted in a July 1933 article in the New York Times,

"Your plan for coordination of industry follows precisely our lines of cooperation."​

Which makes sense since the NRA, with its regulations and industry organizations, was nothing more than another creature of the left- corporatism.

Two fascists leaders admiring FDR's economic policies
Funny how that works...


No need to thank me

Right, because unsourced quotes negate the fact that FDR declared war on Germany and Italy.

It's pretty sad that you can't dispute the OP.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Read much
they are sourced- granted not links
but I can't help it if the Left is lazy
It is too bad you can't deny that fascists admired FDR and he them



War makes friends/enemies of people all the time
Nor does war negate the fact that similar economic policies existed
It is not like FDR became a "free market" guy


Truth is hard for the left
In fact it is their worst enemy



On August 23, 1939-Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact,
in which the two countries agreed to take no military action against each other for the next 10 years.

In fact the Soviet Union invaded Poland, along with Germany, from the East on September 17, 1939
due to their "non aggression" pact

Yet Britain only declared war on Germany
Funny how that works

 

[The Infidel]

Don't forget

many Progressives. left and right
were fascinated with Fascism and Progressive leaders desperate
to get out of the Great Depression looked at their big gov't ways for guidance

Of course and for good reason, the people tried to distance themselves from their early fascination with Fascism with the war and the aftermath.

For example
FDR said:

There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.​

Comment in early 1933 about Benito Mussolini to US Ambassador to Italy Breckinridge Long, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

I don't mind telling you in confidence that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.​

Comment on Benito Mussolini in 1933, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

Mussolini himself praised the New Deal as following his own corporate state, as quoted in a July 1933 article in the New York Times,

"Your plan for coordination of industry follows precisely our lines of cooperation."​

Which makes sense since the NRA, with its regulations and industry organizations, was nothing more than another creature of the left- corporatism.

Two fascists leaders admiring FDR's economic policies
Funny how that works...


No need to thank me

Right, because unsourced quotes negate the fact that FDR declared war on Germany and Italy.

It's pretty sad that you can't dispute the OP.

After they declared war on us first...

 

[Neotrotsky]

Don't forget

many Progressives. left and right
were fascinated with Fascism and Progressive leaders desperate
to get out of the Great Depression looked at their big gov't ways for guidance

Of course and for good reason, the people tried to distance themselves from their early fascination with Fascism with the war and the aftermath.

For example
FDR said:

There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.​

Comment in early 1933 about Benito Mussolini to US Ambassador to Italy Breckinridge Long, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

I don't mind telling you in confidence that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.​

Comment on Benito Mussolini in 1933, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

Mussolini himself praised the New Deal as following his own corporate state, as quoted in a July 1933 article in the New York Times,

"Your plan for coordination of industry follows precisely our lines of cooperation."​

Which makes sense since the NRA, with its regulations and industry organizations, was nothing more than another creature of the left- corporatism.

Two fascists leaders admiring FDR's economic policies
Funny how that works...


No need to thank me

Right, because unsourced quotes negate the fact that FDR declared war on Germany and Italy.

It's pretty sad that you can't dispute the OP.

After they declared war on us first...

I hear you

Like the war proves anything
Germany fascists even went after and killed fellow fascists of the SA. Night of the Long Knives

It is not like that made them any less "fascist"



The left have spent decades trying to marginalize it right, to cover for the fact that, it is a creature of the left.

They make the rather weak and limited argument that socialism is just pure nationalization of industry.
This argument is either intentionally misleading or based on a rather simplistic and ignorant view of economics
Shallow people can get lost in discussions on socialism

Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism, Crony Capitalism
all the other collectivist groups are all based on the Rousseauian vision. They are creatures of the left.
They are all promoters of Statism

They have more in common than not
which the left is trying to run from...

As I have quoted before"

Friedrich Hayek defined fascism best

"It is simply collectivism freed from all traces of an individualist tradition which might hamper its realization."


The Left's ignorance and intentional historical revisionism on these issues are
big factors in why the US keeps making the sames mistakes when it comes
to centralizing power.

 

[Ravi]

One of your quotes was attributed to an anonymous source and the other to an obscure, if it even exists, paper that can't be found on the internet.

Still waiting for you to refute that the right supported Hitler.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Refute that progressives from both sides
supported some of Fascism's economic policies

I would never do that,
unlike you.

In fact, Progressives today
even promote some of the similar type of economic policies

Like I said

The Left's ignorance and intentional historical revisionism on these issues are
big factors in why the US keeps making the sames mistakes when it comes
to centralizing power.

Your posts only support that statement
Keep up the "good" work

 

[daveman]

One of the Left's Big Lie's is that Hitler wasn't one of their very own.

Yes centralization of gov't power is a creature of the Left

Interesting

Sinc FDR's New Deal and Fascism shared much of the same economic philosophy and the US
and Germany were using similar economic policies,
it’s not too surprising that Hitler sent the following letter to U.S. Ambassador Dodd on March 14, 1934:

The Reich chancellor requests Mr. Dodd to present his greetings to President Roosevelt.
He congratulates the president upon his heroic effort in the interest of the American people.
The president’s successful struggle against economic distress is being followed by
the entire German people with interest and admiration. The Reich chancellor is in accord
with the president that the virtues of sense of duty, readiness for sacrifice,
and discipline must be the supreme rule of the whole nation. This moral demand, which
the president is addressing to every single citizen, is only the
quintessence of German philosophy of the state,
expressed in the motto “The public weal before the private gain.”​

Hitler had genuine admiration for FDR and his approach to government.
He told a correspondent of the New York Times in the same year, 1934.
“I have sympathy for Mr. Roosevelt,”
“because he marches straight toward his objectives over Congress, lobbies and bureaucracy.”

He went on to note he was a leader who is
“understanding of the methods and motives of President Roosevelt.”

Nonsense. Hitler was a registered Republican. Everybody knows that.

Right, USMB lefties?

 

[koshergrl]

And an evangelical Christian, damn his eyes!

 

[barry1960]

One of your quotes was attributed to an anonymous source and the other to an obscure, if it even exists, paper that can't be found on the internet.

Still waiting for you to refute that the right supported Hitler.

Indeed the conservative parties of Germany in the early 1930s did throw some support Hitler's way. They did so because they too despised the democracy of the Weimar Republic and feared communism. However these parties wanted to control the Nazis rather than put them in power. They underestimated the Nazis who quickly seized power and created a one party state in the months after Hitler was appointed chancelor in 1933.

On this thred, the original purpose to compare the right to Hitler, people Hitler to the right and the left. The truth is that Hitler and Nazism cannot be compared to either conservatives or liberals in today's American. Some have tried to hang their hat on Socialist in the name of the Nazi party and that just doesn't wash. Nazism is a party of the extreme right, but it is extreme and has nothing in common with the Tea Por the Republican Party. Nor does President Obama have anything in common with Hitler.

In other words you are pretty much all idiots -Ravi, Kosher Girl, Neotrotsky.....I suggest reading a history book on Nazi Germany.

 

[regent]

Interesting, the similarity between Mussolini and FDR, not only were they both leaders of countries but both breathed air and coughed at times. Almost identical twins.

 

[daveman]

Interesting, the similarity between Mussolini and FDR, not only were they both leaders of countries but both breathed air and coughed at times. Almost identical twins.

Yeah, you just never mind the letters of admiration between the two.

 

[Ravi]

One of your quotes was attributed to an anonymous source and the other to an obscure, if it even exists, paper that can't be found on the internet.

Still waiting for you to refute that the right supported Hitler.

Indeed the conservative parties of Germany in the early 1930s did throw some support Hitler's way. They did so because they too despised the democracy of the Weimar Republic and feared communism. However these parties wanted to control the Nazis rather than put them in power. They underestimated the Nazis who quickly seized power and created a one party state in the months after Hitler was appointed chancelor in 1933.

On this thred, the original purpose to compare the right to Hitler, people Hitler to the right and the left. The truth is that Hitler and Nazism cannot be compared to either conservatives or liberals in today's American. Some have tried to hang their hat on Socialist in the name of the Nazi party and that just doesn't wash. Nazism is a party of the extreme right, but it is extreme and has nothing in common with the Tea Por the Republican Party. Nor does President Obama have anything in common with Hitler.

In other words you are pretty much all idiots -Ravi, Kosher Girl, Neotrotsky.....I suggest reading a history book on Nazi Germany.

 

[HUGGY]

Right, because unsourced quotes negate the fact that FDR declared war on Germany and Italy.

It's pretty sad that you can't dispute the OP.

After they declared war on us first...

I hear you

Like the war proves anything
Germany fascists even went after and killed fellow fascists of the SA. Night of the Long Knives

It is not like that made them any less "fascist"



The left have spent decades trying to marginalize it right, to cover for the fact that, it is a creature of the left.

They make the rather weak and limited argument that socialism is just pure nationalization of industry.
This argument is either intentionally misleading or based on a rather simplistic and ignorant view of economics
Shallow people can get lost in discussions on socialism

Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism, Crony Capitalism
all the other collectivist groups are all based on the Rousseauian vision. They are creatures of the left. They are all promoters of Statism

They have more in common than not
which the left is trying to run from...

As I have quoted before"

Friedrich Hayek defined fascism best

"It is simply collectivism freed from all traces of an individualist tradition which might hamper its realization."


The Left's ignorance and intentional historical revisionism on these issues are
big factors in why the US keeps making the sames mistakes when it comes
to centralizing power.

"They are creatures of the left."

How much do Karl Rove and the Koch brothers pay you to invade the internet with such absolute shit?

I would like to be charitable and suggest that you are just simply wrong but that isn't the case is it you fucking lying snake.

You obviously know some history and it is clear that your "mission" is to re-write it.

Setting up a small group of people and corporations run by these people to bleed the rest of humanity of all it's resources and any ability to resist your big lies and big scam is hardly any wish from "the left".

People like you use religion and a war on education in an attempt to keep the majority of people dumbed down ignorant and compliant consumers....

You use supposedly democratically elected government by taking a short cut around the founders prescribed structure with lobbiests and obscene amounts of money/bribes.

"Leftists" my ass. You are pure evil. You represent the "1000 years" Hitler was talking about.

The trouble with your plan is that you can't dumb down enough people. Not everyone is mesmerized by "reality tv". Boy that's an oxymoron if there ever was one. Not everyone laughs when you play your laugh track asshole.

I have a dark side that actually wishes you god speed in your mindless destruction of democracy and the systematic dismantling of the middle class. People like you have the same problem of Hitler's "master race". You have convinced yourself that everyone you fuck with is weak. That missconception won't work any better for you than it did for Adolf.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Don't forget

many Progressives. left and right
were fascinated with Fascism and Progressive leaders desperate
to get out of the Great Depression looked at their big gov't ways for guidance

Of course and for good reason, the people tried to distance themselves from their early fascination with Fascism with the war and the aftermath.

For example
FDR said:

There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.​

Comment in early 1933 about Benito Mussolini to US Ambassador to Italy Breckinridge Long, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

I don't mind telling you in confidence that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.​

Comment on Benito Mussolini in 1933, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

Mussolini himself praised the New Deal as following his own corporate state, as quoted in a July 1933 article in the New York Times,

"Your plan for coordination of industry follows precisely our lines of cooperation."​

Which makes sense since the NRA, with its regulations and industry organizations, was nothing more than another creature of the left- corporatism.

Two fascists leaders admiring FDR's economic policies
Funny how that works...


No need to thank me

Right, because unsourced quotes negate the fact that FDR declared war on Germany and Italy.

It's pretty sad that you can't dispute the OP.

After they declared war on us first...

It's funny how that worked The U.S. didn't declare war on Germany until after Germany declared war on America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_declaration_of_war_upon_Germany_(1941)

 

[regent]

Interesting, the similarity between Mussolini and FDR, not only were they both leaders of countries but both breathed air and coughed at times. Almost identical twins.

Yeah, you just never mind the letters of admiration between the two.

Yep, they were real love letters. Almost reminds one of diplomacy as practiced between nations not at war. Might want to check how the love letters changed as time went on.

 

[koshergrl]

After they declared war on us first...

I hear you

Like the war proves anything
Germany fascists even went after and killed fellow fascists of the SA. Night of the Long Knives

It is not like that made them any less "fascist"



The left have spent decades trying to marginalize it right, to cover for the fact that, it is a creature of the left.

They make the rather weak and limited argument that socialism is just pure nationalization of industry.
This argument is either intentionally misleading or based on a rather simplistic and ignorant view of economics
Shallow people can get lost in discussions on socialism

Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism, Crony Capitalism
all the other collectivist groups are all based on the Rousseauian vision. They are creatures of the left. They are all promoters of Statism

They have more in common than not
which the left is trying to run from...

As I have quoted before"

Friedrich Hayek defined fascism best

"It is simply collectivism freed from all traces of an individualist tradition which might hamper its realization."


The Left's ignorance and intentional historical revisionism on these issues are
big factors in why the US keeps making the sames mistakes when it comes
to centralizing power.

"They are creatures of the left."

How much do Karl Rove and the Koch brothers pay you to invade the internet with such absolute shit?

I would like to be charitable and suggest that you are just simply wrong but that isn't the case is it you fucking lying snake.

You obviously know some history and it is clear that your "mission" is to re-write it.

Setting up a small group of people and corporations run by these people to bleed the rest of humanity of all it's resources and any ability to resist your big lies and big scam is hardly any wish from "the left".

People like you use religion and a war on education in an attempt to keep the majority of people dumbed down ignorant and compliant consumers....

You use supposedly democratically elected government by taking a short cut around the founders prescribed structure with lobbiests and obscene amounts of money/bribes.

"Leftists" my ass. You are pure evil. You represent the "1000 years" Hitler was talking about.

The trouble with your plan is that you can't dumb down enough people. Not everyone is mesmerized by "reality tv". Boy that's an oxymoron if there ever was one. Not everyone laughs when you play your laugh track asshole.

I have a dark side that actually wishes you god speed in your mindless destruction of democracy and the systematic dismantling of the middle class. People like you have the same problem of Hitler's "master race". You have convinced yourself that everyone you fuck with is weak. That missconception won't work any better for you than it did for Adolf.

You just described the fascist left perfectly.

Who did support Hitler, and continue to tout his policies.