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The state must require back ground checks for all adults that frequent home school homes.
Why? Background checks are not required for parents of public school students.
Because now in home schooling they will be the educators.
Parent educators should also pass the public state certifications for educators in general fields.
Wouldn't it be great if everyone earned enough money to be able to home school their kids?
Wouldn't it be great if everyone earned enough money to be able to home school their kids?
The bottom line is that all kids in public schools are effectively home-schooled, because they don't learn jack in school. Everything they learn their parents taught them or they learned through self study. All the public school does is delude the naive into thinking they don't have to tutor their kids.
Testing...A sore subject with most parents now. There is a growing grass roots movement to either curtail or eliminate standardized testing for PS students.Although I have no doubt many HS kids will do better academically than PS counterparts, if for no other reason than the parents are involved and motivated, almost all stats on differences in testing between the two are built on shaky ground...and for one reason.
How do you "test" HS kids? Well, you rent a big hall and then invite parents to bring their kids down fro testing. Guess which kids/parents don't show up? The ones doing poorly or a bad job. In other words, the test group for the HS kids is self selecting. It's like taking an internet poll.
The only way to responsibly compare the two is to also ask the parents of PS kids to bring them down for testing. Guess which ones will show up? But that isn't how PS testing takes place, ALL KIDS have to do it.
To date there has been NO effort oa any kind to reliable test and compare the scholastic differences between HS and PS, the closest we can come is the differences in college ACT and SAT scoring, but even that may be suspect since the kids voluntarily, or not, identify themselves as HS and many had a combination of the two.
That being the case, ACT and SAT may be the best info we have go on. I checked to see what I could find but the pickins were meek. This is the best I could do.
"By contrast, SAT and ACT tests are self-selected by homeschooled and formally schooled students alike. Homeschoolers averaged higher scores on these college entrance tests in South Carolina.[41] Other scores (1999 data) showed mixed results, for example showing higher levels for homeschoolers in English (homeschooled 23.4 vs national average 20.5) and reading (homeschooled 24.4 vs national average 21.4) on the ACT, but mixed scores in math (homeschooled 20.4 vs national average 20.7 on the ACT as opposed homeschooled 535 vs national average 511 on the 1999 SAT math).[42]"
Homeschooling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If anyone has any updated info on the differences in ACT and SAT scores, it would be appreciated.
Then there is...
Home Schooling ? Rob Reich
The New York Times is running a Room for Debate forum on whether the federal government should provide a tax credit to families who home school their children. The Fordham Institute chief Checker Finn and Home School Legal Defense Association legal counsel William Estrada are among the contributors.
In my contribution to the forum, I express no quarrel with a tax credit so long as it comes with accountability strings attached. The main point I tried to make is that we know astonishingly little about the academic performance of children who are homeschooled. The sad truth about home schooling is that we have little more than glorified anecdotes.
The word limit for contributors is strict, so I could only baldly assert this in the NYT forum. Heres the argument and evidence for the assertion.
For a quick overview, first check out the comprehensive and detailed site maintained by Professor Robert Kunzman of Indiana University. Kunzman has written sympathically about homeschooling, but he explains why the frequent claims that the average homeschooler outperforms public and private school students are unjustified.
For a more detailed argument, read an overview on why home schooling needs to be regulated a few years ago. Download a version of it here. It contains a discussion of the lack of evidence on the outcomes of home schooling.
Why do we lack such evidence? The reason is related to the massively de-regulated environment for homeschoolers. Because existing regulations for home schooling are either so minimal or so little enforced, many parents do not notify local educational officials when they decide to home school. At least ten states do not even require parents to register their home schools. A great deal of home schooling occurs under the radar, so to speak, so that even if local officials wished to test or monitor the progress of home schooled students, they wouldnt even know how to locate them. Researchers and public officials have, quite literally, no sense of the total population of home schooled students. This is the primary obstacle to studying home schooling.
A further concern is that an appalling amount of the research conducted on home schooling and given publicity in the media is undertaken by or sponsored by organizations whose explicit mission is to further the cause of home schooling. Of course, that research is conducted by persons whose pay comes from organizations dedicated to promoting home schooling is no reason to reject the findings out of hand. I would suggest, however, that we treat the findings of their research on home schooling in the same way the people treat the research on nicotine addiction funded by tobacco companies: with a very large dose of skepticism.
Consider one of the most widely publicized studies in the home school research literature, the 1999 report by Lawrence Rudner entitled Scholastic Achievement and Demographic Characteristics of Home Schooled Students in 1998.[1]
Rudners study was funded and sponsored by the Home School Legal Defense Assocation. It analyzed the test results of more than 20,000 home schooled students using the Iowa Test of Basic Skills, and it was interpreted by many to find that the average home schooled student outperformed his or her public school peer. But Rudners study reaches no such conclusion, and Rudner himself issued multiple cautionary notes in the report, including the following: Because this was not a controlled experiment, the study does not demonstrate that home schooling is superior to public or private schools and the results must be interpreted with caution. Rudner used a select and unrepresentative sample, culling all of his participants from families who had purchased curricular and assessment materials from Bob Jones University. Because Bob Jones University is an evangelical Christian university (a university which gained a national reputation in the 1980s for its policy of forbidding interracial dating), the sample of participating families in Rudners study is highly skewed toward Christian home schoolers. Extrapolations from this data to the entire population of home schoolers are consequently highly unreliable. Moreover, all the participants in Rudners study had volunteered their participation. According to Rudner, more than 39,000 contracted to take the Iowa Basic Skills Test through Bob Jones, but only 20,760 agreed to participate in his study. This further biases Rudners sample, for parents who doubt the capacity of their child to do well on the test are precisely the parents we might expect not to volunteer their participation. A careful social scientific comparison of test score data would also try to take account of the problem that public school students take the Iowa Basic Skills Test in a controlled environment; many in Rudners study tested their own children.
Rudner himself has been frustrated by the misrepresentation of his work. In an interview with the Akron Beacon Journal, which published a pioneering week-long investigative series of articles on home schooling in 2004, Rudner claimed that his only conclusion was that if a home schooling parent is willing to put the time and energy and effort into it and you have to be a rare person who is willing to do this then in all likelihood youre going to have enormous success. Rudner also said, I made the case in the paper that if you took the same kids and the same parents and put them in the public schools, these kids would probably do exceptionally well.[2]
Absent rigorous, social scientific data on the outcomes of home schooling, we are left in the realm of anecdote the home schoolers who win the National Spelling Bees and the occasional ethnographic study of small populations of home schoolers.[3] But neither can give us any picture of whether home schooling works. The very best research on home schooling the combination of random samples of large populations and ethnographic studies, yields some good information about the reasons why people home school and demographic characteristics of their households. But when we look at the academic performance of home schooled children, the bottom line is that we know virtually nothing.
Rightwingers like the idea of homeschooling because they know that the rightwing ideology is too whacked to compete in an open arena of ideas,
therefore,
the best alternative is to isolate children in an ideological concentration camp where the right's crackpot propaganda can be infused without outside interference...
...from reason, logic, and truth.
Prove that all home schoolers are right wing wackos.
Wouldn't it be great if everyone earned enough money to be able to home school their kids?
The bottom line is that all kids in public schools are effectively home-schooled, because they don't learn jack in school. Everything they learn their parents taught them or they learned through self study. All the public school does is delude the naive into thinking they don't have to tutor their kids.
Now you're just making excuses for yourself.
Smart parents are starting to realize just how bad the public schools really are:
Home schooled children outpacing public school students
Do you know there are 10 and 12- year-old students already attending college classes in America? It is happening every day as parents flee the public schools and instead educate their children at home.
All across the U.S. home schooled children continue to surpass children subjected to the dumbing-down process that is offered by public education. The results are by the time home schooled students are in the 8th grade, they are four years ahead of their public/private school counterparts.
Parents who are aware of Common Core curriculum (one size fits all) that was created by the Obama administration are leaving the public school system by the hundreds of thousands and if a charter school is not available are turning to home schooling.
The statistics about how far ahead home school children are may be ignored by some school boards however consciousness parents are becoming aware that their children are falling behind home schooled students. If these parents cannot force Common Core out of their schools, they are finding there are other ways to educate their children and home schooling is one of them.
If both parents work, homeschooling is not a practical option.
It depends.
One parent could work nights I guess it all depends on what you want for your kids.
Those that want to home school will find a way.
I find the vitriol hurled at parent who home school to be telling though.
What the fuck do you people care if some parents want to home school especially since the stats show that home schooled kids outperform their public school counterparts unless of course if that better performance is the problem.
You need to go back to the OP in this thread and educate yourself on where the vitriole begins.
Then you need to ask yourself, why aren't you giving the author of this thread shit for the vitriole he's spewing?
Wouldn't it be great if everyone earned enough money to be able to home school their kids?
The bottom line is that all kids in public schools are effectively home-schooled, because they don't learn jack in school. Everything they learn their parents taught them or they learned through self study. All the public school does is delude the naive into thinking they don't have to tutor their kids.
Testing...A sore subject with most parents now. There is a growing grass roots movement to either curtail or eliminate standardized testing for PS students.Although I have no doubt many HS kids will do better academically than PS counterparts, if for no other reason than the parents are involved and motivated, almost all stats on differences in testing between the two are built on shaky ground...and for one reason.
How do you "test" HS kids? Well, you rent a big hall and then invite parents to bring their kids down fro testing. Guess which kids/parents don't show up? The ones doing poorly or a bad job. In other words, the test group for the HS kids is self selecting. It's like taking an internet poll.
The only way to responsibly compare the two is to also ask the parents of PS kids to bring them down for testing. Guess which ones will show up? But that isn't how PS testing takes place, ALL KIDS have to do it.
To date there has been NO effort oa any kind to reliable test and compare the scholastic differences between HS and PS, the closest we can come is the differences in college ACT and SAT scoring, but even that may be suspect since the kids voluntarily, or not, identify themselves as HS and many had a combination of the two.
That being the case, ACT and SAT may be the best info we have go on. I checked to see what I could find but the pickins were meek. This is the best I could do.
"By contrast, SAT and ACT tests are self-selected by homeschooled and formally schooled students alike. Homeschoolers averaged higher scores on these college entrance tests in South Carolina.[41] Other scores (1999 data) showed mixed results, for example showing higher levels for homeschoolers in English (homeschooled 23.4 vs national average 20.5) and reading (homeschooled 24.4 vs national average 21.4) on the ACT, but mixed scores in math (homeschooled 20.4 vs national average 20.7 on the ACT as opposed homeschooled 535 vs national average 511 on the 1999 SAT math).[42]"
Homeschooling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If anyone has any updated info on the differences in ACT and SAT scores, it would be appreciated.
Then there is...
Home Schooling ? Rob Reich
The New York Times is running a Room for Debate forum on whether the federal government should provide a tax credit to families who home school their children. The Fordham Institute chief Checker Finn and Home School Legal Defense Association legal counsel William Estrada are among the contributors.
In my contribution to the forum, I express no quarrel with a tax credit so long as it comes with accountability strings attached. The main point I tried to make is that we know astonishingly little about the academic performance of children who are homeschooled. The sad truth about home schooling is that we have little more than glorified anecdotes.
The word limit for contributors is strict, so I could only baldly assert this in the NYT forum. Heres the argument and evidence for the assertion.
For a quick overview, first check out the comprehensive and detailed site maintained by Professor Robert Kunzman of Indiana University. Kunzman has written sympathically about homeschooling, but he explains why the frequent claims that the average homeschooler outperforms public and private school students are unjustified.
For a more detailed argument, read an overview on why home schooling needs to be regulated a few years ago. Download a version of it here. It contains a discussion of the lack of evidence on the outcomes of home schooling.
Why do we lack such evidence? The reason is related to the massively de-regulated environment for homeschoolers. Because existing regulations for home schooling are either so minimal or so little enforced, many parents do not notify local educational officials when they decide to home school. At least ten states do not even require parents to register their home schools. A great deal of home schooling occurs under the radar, so to speak, so that even if local officials wished to test or monitor the progress of home schooled students, they wouldnt even know how to locate them. Researchers and public officials have, quite literally, no sense of the total population of home schooled students. This is the primary obstacle to studying home schooling.
A further concern is that an appalling amount of the research conducted on home schooling and given publicity in the media is undertaken by or sponsored by organizations whose explicit mission is to further the cause of home schooling. Of course, that research is conducted by persons whose pay comes from organizations dedicated to promoting home schooling is no reason to reject the findings out of hand. I would suggest, however, that we treat the findings of their research on home schooling in the same way the people treat the research on nicotine addiction funded by tobacco companies: with a very large dose of skepticism.
Consider one of the most widely publicized studies in the home school research literature, the 1999 report by Lawrence Rudner entitled Scholastic Achievement and Demographic Characteristics of Home Schooled Students in 1998.[1]
Rudners study was funded and sponsored by the Home School Legal Defense Assocation. It analyzed the test results of more than 20,000 home schooled students using the Iowa Test of Basic Skills, and it was interpreted by many to find that the average home schooled student outperformed his or her public school peer. But Rudners study reaches no such conclusion, and Rudner himself issued multiple cautionary notes in the report, including the following: Because this was not a controlled experiment, the study does not demonstrate that home schooling is superior to public or private schools and the results must be interpreted with caution. Rudner used a select and unrepresentative sample, culling all of his participants from families who had purchased curricular and assessment materials from Bob Jones University. Because Bob Jones University is an evangelical Christian university (a university which gained a national reputation in the 1980s for its policy of forbidding interracial dating), the sample of participating families in Rudners study is highly skewed toward Christian home schoolers. Extrapolations from this data to the entire population of home schoolers are consequently highly unreliable. Moreover, all the participants in Rudners study had volunteered their participation. According to Rudner, more than 39,000 contracted to take the Iowa Basic Skills Test through Bob Jones, but only 20,760 agreed to participate in his study. This further biases Rudners sample, for parents who doubt the capacity of their child to do well on the test are precisely the parents we might expect not to volunteer their participation. A careful social scientific comparison of test score data would also try to take account of the problem that public school students take the Iowa Basic Skills Test in a controlled environment; many in Rudners study tested their own children.
Rudner himself has been frustrated by the misrepresentation of his work. In an interview with the Akron Beacon Journal, which published a pioneering week-long investigative series of articles on home schooling in 2004, Rudner claimed that his only conclusion was that if a home schooling parent is willing to put the time and energy and effort into it and you have to be a rare person who is willing to do this then in all likelihood youre going to have enormous success. Rudner also said, I made the case in the paper that if you took the same kids and the same parents and put them in the public schools, these kids would probably do exceptionally well.[2]
Absent rigorous, social scientific data on the outcomes of home schooling, we are left in the realm of anecdote the home schoolers who win the National Spelling Bees and the occasional ethnographic study of small populations of home schoolers.[3] But neither can give us any picture of whether home schooling works. The very best research on home schooling the combination of random samples of large populations and ethnographic studies, yields some good information about the reasons why people home school and demographic characteristics of their households. But when we look at the academic performance of home schooled children, the bottom line is that we know virtually nothing.
The basic reason is that kids are not learning anything expect to regurgitate facts for the sole purpose of taking multiple guess tests.
Public school administrators and school boards have all but banned critical thinking and problem solving. These kids cannot think for themselves.
There is no need for public schools.
The more public schools in the USA the lower the intellect of America's children.
It's a deliberate dumbing down.
I know I will be homeschooling my lads.
The nazis banned homeschooling for all but tge most senior SS and party officials!!
Wouldn't it be great if everyone earned enough money to be able to home school their kids?
The bottom line is that all kids in public schools are effectively home-schooled, because they don't learn jack in school. Everything they learn their parents taught them or they learned through self study. All the public school does is delude the naive into thinking they don't have to tutor their kids.
Well we know what you do but that's not everyone. Put down that broad brush. You were in public school but YOU'RE different than everyone else, I know...I know
The bottom line is that all kids in public schools are effectively home-schooled, because they don't learn jack in school. Everything they learn their parents taught them or they learned through self study. All the public school does is delude the naive into thinking they don't have to tutor their kids.
Well we know what you do but that's not everyone. Put down that broad brush. You were in public school but YOU'RE different than everyone else, I know...I know
Public schools are all the same. I didn't learn jack in public school. Everything I know was from my parents or from self study. At best all most public school teachers do is give assignments for self study. The "teachers" are actually entirely unnecessary.
Well we know what you do but that's not everyone. Put down that broad brush. You were in public school but YOU'RE different than everyone else, I know...I know
Public schools are all the same. I didn't learn jack in public school. Everything I know was from my parents or from self study. At best all most public school teachers do is give assignments for self study. The "teachers" are actually entirely unnecessary.
I can tell but everyone isn't you
And what about the MAJORITY of parents who cannot afford private school or cannot stay home for homeschooling...or can't homeschool because they, themselves are uneducated?No, private or homeschooling.There is no need for public schools.
The more public schools in the USA the lower the intellect of America's children.
It's a deliberate dumbing down.
I know I will be homeschooling my lads.
The nazis banned homeschooling for all but tge most senior SS and party officials!!
And what to do with all the children running the streets because they are not at school?
Back to child labor?
Parental responsibility terrifies you, why?
My kids are All set I took responsibility.
Other people's kids are not my responsibility.
Simple.
Public schools are all the same. I didn't learn jack in public school. Everything I know was from my parents or from self study. At best all most public school teachers do is give assignments for self study. The "teachers" are actually entirely unnecessary.
I can tell but everyone isn't you
Obviously you can't defend the public school debacle so you have nothing left but personal attacks.
And what about the MAJORITY of parents who cannot afford private school or cannot stay home for homeschooling...or can't homeschool because they, themselves are uneducated?No, private or homeschooling.And what to do with all the children running the streets because they are not at school?
Back to child labor?
Parental responsibility terrifies you, why?
My kids are All set I took responsibility.
Other people's kids are not my responsibility.
Simple.
And what about the MAJORITY of parents who cannot afford private school or cannot stay home for homeschooling...or can't homeschool because they, themselves are uneducated?No, private or homeschooling.
Parental responsibility terrifies you, why?
My kids are All set I took responsibility.
Other people's kids are not my responsibility.
Simple.
Then they were not prepared to become parents. At best, they are no more than donors of protoplasm that evolves into more of the same type of creatures, ignorant but useful idiots making important decisions as they are directed by those they believe will feed and care for them...for 'free'.
And what about the MAJORITY of parents who cannot afford private school or cannot stay home for homeschooling...or can't homeschool because they, themselves are uneducated?No, private or homeschooling.And what to do with all the children running the streets because they are not at school?
Back to child labor?
Parental responsibility terrifies you, why?
My kids are All set I took responsibility.
Other people's kids are not my responsibility.
Simple.
And what to do with all the children running the streets because they are not at school? Back to child labor?
