Honest and open debate on gun control

[M14 Shooter]

I'll take that as your concession that you know you cannot prove your statement true.
Thank you.
794 posts, no sound responses.

Liar. I proved my point.

You know that this is not true, because you know that the fact that Y follows X in no way proves that X caused Y.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That is, you know you have proven nothing.
797 posts, no sound responses.

Incorrect. Just as a dead man can't perform any further acts on his own, a machine gun that is not manufactured and sold to the public is a machine gun that can't be used by the public. Ergo, removing a gun eliminates it's use. Ergo proof. A gun that does not exist is a gun that can't be used.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat your lie, it is still a lie. Your statement remains unproven.

No you are the one lying. Your argument is that a machine gun that does not exist can be used to commit a crime. You are full of it.

Your statement remains unproven.
You know this, you simply refuse to not lie to yourself.

 

[2aguy]

I'll take that as your concession that you know you cannot prove your statement true.
Thank you.
794 posts, no sound responses.

Liar. I proved my point.

You know that this is not true, because you know that the fact that Y follows X in no way proves that X caused Y.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That is, you know you have proven nothing.
797 posts, no sound responses.

Incorrect. Just as a dead man can't perform any further acts on his own, a machine gun that is not manufactured and sold to the public is a machine gun that can't be used by the public. Ergo, removing a gun eliminates it's use. Ergo proof. A gun that does not exist is a gun that can't be used.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat your lie, it is still a lie. Your statement remains unproven.

No you are the one lying. Your argument is that a machine gun that does not exist can be used to commit a crime. You are full of it.

Could you define "machine gun" please....because as the guy said...I don't think it means what you think it means....a machine gun is a crew served weapon............and gangs don't use crew served weapons.

 

[2aguy]

Still waiting for you to prove your statement true.
Correlation does not imply causation - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So what you really meant by this OP is you want someone to prove god exists.

I'll take that as your concession that you know you cannot prove your statement true.
Thank you.
794 posts, no sound responses.

Liar. I proved my point.

You know that this is not true, because you know that the fact that Y follows X in no way proves that X caused Y.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That is, you know you have proven nothing.

797 posts, no sound responses.

Incorrect. Just as a dead man can't perform any further acts on his own, a machine gun that is not manufactured and sold to the public is a machine gun that can't be used by the public. Ergo, removing a gun eliminates it's use. Ergo proof. A gun that does not exist is a gun that can't be used.

American criminals do not use "machine guns" because they prefer pistols. European criminals prefer fully automatic rifles. Criminal culture in different countries have different needs and tastes. We have dealers who sell "machine guns" so they can be acquired. Again, please explain that while we have over 1 million AR-15s in private hands, and they fill gun stores across the country, and can be had for as little as 800 dollars, fewer than 10 a year may be used in a criminal act......

Can you explain that.....? Considering they don't have a tax stamp, and they actually exist...in vast numbers?

 

[blunthead]

Wry Catcher lamented the fact that there was no such debate (see sig) so I thought I would present everyone the same opportunity that I presented him. He ran away from this opportunity; hopefully you will show a little more honesty.

If you have a suggestion for new/additional gun control that (1) prevents criminals from getting guns and (2) does not infringe on the rights of the law-abiding. I'm all ears.
Please proceed.
Be sure to show how your suggestion meets he two points, above.

Nothing can prevent criminals from having guns. That's why the rest of us must be allowed also to have guns. Period.

 

[RKMBrown]

Liar. I proved my point.

You know that this is not true, because you know that the fact that Y follows X in no way proves that X caused Y.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That is, you know you have proven nothing.
797 posts, no sound responses.

Incorrect. Just as a dead man can't perform any further acts on his own, a machine gun that is not manufactured and sold to the public is a machine gun that can't be used by the public. Ergo, removing a gun eliminates it's use. Ergo proof. A gun that does not exist is a gun that can't be used.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat your lie, it is still a lie. Your statement remains unproven.

No you are the one lying. Your argument is that a machine gun that does not exist can be used to commit a crime. You are full of it.

Could you define "machine gun" please....because as the guy said...I don't think it means what you think it means....a machine gun is a crew served weapon............and gangs don't use crew served weapons.

I'm using the definition used by the US Government with regard to the requirement for the tax stamp process. "Machine guns—this includes any firearm which can fire more than 1 cartridge per trigger pull. Both continuous fully automatic fire and "burst fire" (i.e., firearms with a 3-round burst feature) are considered machine gun features. The weapon's receiver is by itself considered to be a regulated firearm. A non-machinegun that may be converted to fire more than one shot per trigger pull by ordinary mechanical skills is determined to be "readily convertible", and classed as a machinegun, such as a KG-9 pistol (pre-ban ones are "grandfathered")."

 

[RKMBrown]

Liar. I proved my point.

You know that this is not true, because you know that the fact that Y follows X in no way proves that X caused Y.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That is, you know you have proven nothing.
797 posts, no sound responses.

Incorrect. Just as a dead man can't perform any further acts on his own, a machine gun that is not manufactured and sold to the public is a machine gun that can't be used by the public. Ergo, removing a gun eliminates it's use. Ergo proof. A gun that does not exist is a gun that can't be used.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat your lie, it is still a lie. Your statement remains unproven.

No you are the one lying. Your argument is that a machine gun that does not exist can be used to commit a crime. You are full of it.

Your statement remains unproven.
You know this, you simply refuse to not lie to yourself.

Simple question: Can a gun that does not exist be used? Yes or No

 

[RKMBrown]

Wry Catcher lamented the fact that there was no such debate (see sig) so I thought I would present everyone the same opportunity that I presented him. He ran away from this opportunity; hopefully you will show a little more honesty.

If you have a suggestion for new/additional gun control that (1) prevents criminals from getting guns and (2) does not infringe on the rights of the law-abiding. I'm all ears.
Please proceed.
Be sure to show how your suggestion meets he two points, above.

Nothing can prevent criminals from having guns. That's why the rest of us must be allowed also to have guns. Period.

Incorrect, the non-existence of certain guns can reduce the number of those certain guns that criminals have access too.

 

[danielpalos]

Well regulated militias of the People could obviate our perceived need for socialized "welfare spending on the poor" for a War on Crime for free, merely to help stop creating more crime.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Has anyone actually stepped back and read this conversation.

One premise is that if you take all guns they can do no harm.

That point is true, but what you fail to take into consideration is the gun is simply a tool, like a knife or axe.

Either of those can be used to kill, do we treat society as children and put up all dangerous things??

You actually think this could be physically completed??

How about we change the attitudes of others to respect human life??

As long as an individual wants to commit harm on / to another, until that thought process is changed, you can't remove all the things a society can use to harm one another.

Women who get acid thrown in their face, shall we next remove all batteries from our society, all drain cleaners, and all commercial pool products??

 

[RKMBrown]

Has anyone actually stepped back and read this conversation.

One premise is that if you take all guns they can do no harm.

That point is true, but what you fail to take into consideration is the gun is simply a tool, like a knife or axe.

Either of those can be used to kill, do we treat society as children and put up all dangerous things??

You actually think this could be physically completed??

How about we change the attitudes of others to respect human life??

As long as an individual wants to commit harm on / to another, until that thought process is changed, you can't remove all the things a society can use to harm one another.

Women who get acid thrown in their face, shall we next remove all batteries from our society, all drain cleaners, and all commercial pool products??

As per the weapons on the list of class II banned weapons, the reduction has been clearly successful.

Yes, changing attitudes is a good idea. Unfortunately, the Authoritarians on the left and right are more interested in dividing us with class warfare and wars on drugs and wars on that which we fear (Terror). So, the change in attitudes that we are teaching is one of hate for the other side. Hate for successful people, hate for gay people, hate for old people, hate for young people, hate for inner city people, hate for rural people, hate for southern people, hate for yankees, hate for white people, hate for black people, hate for hispanics, hate for ....

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Has anyone actually stepped back and read this conversation.

One premise is that if you take all guns they can do no harm.

That point is true, but what you fail to take into consideration is the gun is simply a tool, like a knife or axe.

Either of those can be used to kill, do we treat society as children and put up all dangerous things??

You actually think this could be physically completed??

How about we change the attitudes of others to respect human life??

As long as an individual wants to commit harm on / to another, until that thought process is changed, you can't remove all the things a society can use to harm one another.

Women who get acid thrown in their face, shall we next remove all batteries from our society, all drain cleaners, and all commercial pool products??

As per the weapons on the list of class II banned weapons, the reduction has been clearly successful.

Yes, changing attitudes is a good idea. Unfortunately, the Authoritarians on the left and right are more interested in dividing us with class warfare and wars on drugs and wars on that which we fear (Terror). So, the change in attitudes that we are teaching is one of hate for the other side. Hate for successful people, hate for gay people, hate for old people, hate for young people, hate for inner city people, hate for rural people, hate for southern people, hate for yankees, hate for white people, hate for black people, hate for hispanics, hate for ....

Well of course, without civil discourse and civil unrest, which will eventually lead to civil war. how will the left ever get that utopia they so fantasize about??

 

[RKMBrown]

Has anyone actually stepped back and read this conversation.

One premise is that if you take all guns they can do no harm.

That point is true, but what you fail to take into consideration is the gun is simply a tool, like a knife or axe.

Either of those can be used to kill, do we treat society as children and put up all dangerous things??

You actually think this could be physically completed??

How about we change the attitudes of others to respect human life??

As long as an individual wants to commit harm on / to another, until that thought process is changed, you can't remove all the things a society can use to harm one another.

Women who get acid thrown in their face, shall we next remove all batteries from our society, all drain cleaners, and all commercial pool products??

As per the weapons on the list of class II banned weapons, the reduction has been clearly successful.

Yes, changing attitudes is a good idea. Unfortunately, the Authoritarians on the left and right are more interested in dividing us with class warfare and wars on drugs and wars on that which we fear (Terror). So, the change in attitudes that we are teaching is one of hate for the other side. Hate for successful people, hate for gay people, hate for old people, hate for young people, hate for inner city people, hate for rural people, hate for southern people, hate for yankees, hate for white people, hate for black people, hate for hispanics, hate for ....

Well of course, without civil discourse and civil unrest how will the left ever get that utopia they so fantasize about??

Well that certainly is their game plan. Course the left is also in control of the republican party.. see famous leftists that have been given the nod to run as leader of the leftist organization called the republican party... Bush Jr., McCain, Romney? ROFL Let's see, who's the furthest left of all republicans... yeah let them run in the primary as the only leftist on the primary ticket against 12 conservatives and let the conservative vote get split up while the leftist vote the leftist to the pole position based on the MSM saying look the moderate (communist) is getting the most votes, republicans you have no choice but to vote for the republican communist the democrat communist will win ROFL talk about a set up.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Well that certainly is their game plan. Course the left is also in control of the republican party.. see famous leftists that have been given the nod to run as leader of the leftist organization called the republican party... Bush Jr., McCain, Romney? ROFL Let's see, who's the furthest left of all republicans... yeah let them run in the primary as the only leftist on the primary ticket against 12 conservatives and let the conservative vote get split up while the leftist vote the leftist to the pole position based on the MSM saying look the moderate (communist) is getting the most votes, republicans you have no choice but to vote for the republican communist the democrat communist will win ROFL talk about a set up.

Seriously man, when you get back to reality about primaries send me a memo, till then quit showing your ignorance in public.

 

[RKMBrown]

Well that certainly is their game plan. Course the left is also in control of the republican party.. see famous leftists that have been given the nod to run as leader of the leftist organization called the republican party... Bush Jr., McCain, Romney? ROFL Let's see, who's the furthest left of all republicans... yeah let them run in the primary as the only leftist on the primary ticket against 12 conservatives and let the conservative vote get split up while the leftist vote the leftist to the pole position based on the MSM saying look the moderate (communist) is getting the most votes, republicans you have no choice but to vote for the republican communist the democrat communist will win ROFL talk about a set up.

Seriously man, when you get back to reality about primary send me a memo, till then quit showing your ignorance in public.

What part of the conservatives split their vote in the republican primary confused you?

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Well that certainly is their game plan. Course the left is also in control of the republican party.. see famous leftists that have been given the nod to run as leader of the leftist organization called the republican party... Bush Jr., McCain, Romney? ROFL Let's see, who's the furthest left of all republicans... yeah let them run in the primary as the only leftist on the primary ticket against 12 conservatives and let the conservative vote get split up while the leftist vote the leftist to the pole position based on the MSM saying look the moderate (communist) is getting the most votes, republicans you have no choice but to vote for the republican communist the democrat communist will win ROFL talk about a set up.

Seriously man, when you get back to reality about primary send me a memo, till then quit showing your ignorance in public.

What part of the conservatives split their vote in the republican primary confused you?

What part of only one nominee comes out and anyone else can run Independent / write in ..........................

 

[RKMBrown]

Well that certainly is their game plan. Course the left is also in control of the republican party.. see famous leftists that have been given the nod to run as leader of the leftist organization called the republican party... Bush Jr., McCain, Romney? ROFL Let's see, who's the furthest left of all republicans... yeah let them run in the primary as the only leftist on the primary ticket against 12 conservatives and let the conservative vote get split up while the leftist vote the leftist to the pole position based on the MSM saying look the moderate (communist) is getting the most votes, republicans you have no choice but to vote for the republican communist the democrat communist will win ROFL talk about a set up.

Seriously man, when you get back to reality about primary send me a memo, till then quit showing your ignorance in public.

What part of the conservatives split their vote in the republican primary confused you?

What part of only one nominee comes out and anyone else can run Independent / write in ..........................

What part of 12 people on the ticket one person is a libtard and gets 30% counting states were democrats can legally vote on the republican ticket and where the 11 conservatives split the 70% up into small percentages confuses you?

 

[RKMBrown]

Well that certainly is their game plan. Course the left is also in control of the republican party.. see famous leftists that have been given the nod to run as leader of the leftist organization called the republican party... Bush Jr., McCain, Romney? ROFL Let's see, who's the furthest left of all republicans... yeah let them run in the primary as the only leftist on the primary ticket against 12 conservatives and let the conservative vote get split up while the leftist vote the leftist to the pole position based on the MSM saying look the moderate (communist) is getting the most votes, republicans you have no choice but to vote for the republican communist the democrat communist will win ROFL talk about a set up.

Seriously man, when you get back to reality about primary send me a memo, till then quit showing your ignorance in public.

What part of the conservatives split their vote in the republican primary confused you?

What part of only one nominee comes out and anyone else can run Independent / write in ..........................

FYI A conservative republican did run on the Libertarian Ticket. The main street media did not even let him enter the debates and the Republicans insisted that voting for a conservative on the libertarian ticket instead of socialist Romney on the republican ticket would ensure a democrat victory.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Well that certainly is their game plan. Course the left is also in control of the republican party.. see famous leftists that have been given the nod to run as leader of the leftist organization called the republican party... Bush Jr., McCain, Romney? ROFL Let's see, who's the furthest left of all republicans... yeah let them run in the primary as the only leftist on the primary ticket against 12 conservatives and let the conservative vote get split up while the leftist vote the leftist to the pole position based on the MSM saying look the moderate (communist) is getting the most votes, republicans you have no choice but to vote for the republican communist the democrat communist will win ROFL talk about a set up.

Seriously man, when you get back to reality about primary send me a memo, till then quit showing your ignorance in public.

What part of the conservatives split their vote in the republican primary confused you?

What part of only one nominee comes out and anyone else can run Independent / write in ..........................

What part of 12 people on the ticket one person is a libtard and gets 30% counting states were democrats can legally vote on the republican ticket and where the 11 conservatives split the 70% up into small percentages confuses you?

Wow for a field where no one has 30% currently, you sure have unrealistic expectations.

 

[RKMBrown]

Well that certainly is their game plan. Course the left is also in control of the republican party.. see famous leftists that have been given the nod to run as leader of the leftist organization called the republican party... Bush Jr., McCain, Romney? ROFL Let's see, who's the furthest left of all republicans... yeah let them run in the primary as the only leftist on the primary ticket against 12 conservatives and let the conservative vote get split up while the leftist vote the leftist to the pole position based on the MSM saying look the moderate (communist) is getting the most votes, republicans you have no choice but to vote for the republican communist the democrat communist will win ROFL talk about a set up.

Seriously man, when you get back to reality about primary send me a memo, till then quit showing your ignorance in public.

What part of the conservatives split their vote in the republican primary confused you?

What part of only one nominee comes out and anyone else can run Independent / write in ..........................

What part of 12 people on the ticket one person is a libtard and gets 30% counting states were democrats can legally vote on the republican ticket and where the 11 conservatives split the 70% up into small percentages confuses you?

Wow for a field where no one has 30% currently, you sure have unrealistic expectations.

I was talking about the prior primaries after the first votes from the first states. We have yet to get to the first primary vote for this election season. Try to keep up.

But you watch.. the leftist media will pick the left most republican of the bunch then push him as the candidate elect.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You know that this is not true, because you know that the fact that Y follows X in no way proves that X caused Y.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That is, you know you have proven nothing.
797 posts, no sound responses.

Incorrect. Just as a dead man can't perform any further acts on his own, a machine gun that is not manufactured and sold to the public is a machine gun that can't be used by the public. Ergo, removing a gun eliminates it's use. Ergo proof. A gun that does not exist is a gun that can't be used.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat your lie, it is still a lie. Your statement remains unproven.

No you are the one lying. Your argument is that a machine gun that does not exist can be used to commit a crime. You are full of it.

Your statement remains unproven.
You know this, you simply refuse to not lie to yourself.

Simple question: Can a gun that does not exist be used? Yes or No

Your statement remains unproven.
If you can prove it, - and you know you cannot -- you need no help from me.